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Morning folks. Welcome to the Sunday Politics. | :00:35. | :00:38. | |
Theresa May says she wants to help people who are | :00:39. | :00:40. | |
"just about managing" - so should she reverse | :00:41. | :00:43. | |
George Osborne's cuts to benefits that are supposed to help people | :00:44. | :00:45. | |
Prominent London Imam Shakeel Begg is an extremist speaker, | :00:46. | :00:52. | |
says the High Court, after claims made on this programme. | :00:53. | :00:55. | |
So why is Mr Begg still being allowed to advise the Police? | :00:56. | :01:00. | |
Hillary Clinton fights back over the FBI's renewed investigation | :01:01. | :01:05. | |
into her use of a private email server - is this the boost | :01:06. | :01:08. | |
Donald Trump needed to reignite his chances of winning the White House? | :01:09. | :01:13. | |
In the West, compassion and frustration. | :01:14. | :01:15. | |
Activists and councils puzzle over how best | :01:16. | :01:16. | |
to help the refugees from | :01:17. | :01:18. | |
Now it is just a question of building that runway with the | :01:19. | :01:23. | |
political problems that lie ahead. And haunting the studio | :01:24. | :01:30. | |
on this Halloween weekend, the most terrifying political | :01:31. | :01:32. | |
panel in the business - Tim 'Ghost' Shipman, | :01:33. | :01:35. | |
'Eerie' Isabel Oakeshott and First this morning, two | :01:36. | :01:38. | |
new models of car to be built, securing 7,000 jobs at the car plant | :01:39. | :01:46. | |
in Sunderland and a further 28, 00 The news from Nissan on Thursday | :01:47. | :01:50. | |
was seized on by Leave campaigners as evidence that the British | :01:51. | :01:56. | |
economy is in rude health This morning, the Business | :01:57. | :01:58. | |
Secretary, Greg Clark, was asked what assurances were given | :01:59. | :02:02. | |
to the Japanese firm's bosses Well, it's in no-one's the interest | :02:03. | :02:06. | |
for there to be tariff barriers to the continent | :02:07. | :02:12. | |
and vice versa. So, what I said is that our | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
objective would be to ensure that we have continued access to the markets | :02:18. | :02:21. | |
in Europe and vice versa, without tariffs and without | :02:22. | :02:26. | |
bureaucratic impediments. That is how we will approach | :02:27. | :02:30. | |
those negotiations. We're joined now from Newcastle | :02:31. | :02:34. | |
by the Shadow Business Welcome to the programme. Labour has | :02:35. | :02:47. | |
been a bit sceptical about this Nissan decision. Can we begin by | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
making it clear just what a great achievement this is, above all for | :02:53. | :02:56. | |
the workers of Sunderland who have some of the highest productivity in | :02:57. | :03:01. | |
the world, have never been on strike for 30 years, and produce cars of | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
incredible quality. This is their victory, isn't it? Andrew, you are | :03:07. | :03:12. | |
absolutely right. The Nissan plant in Sunderland is among the most | :03:13. | :03:14. | |
productive in the world. The workers of Nissan are amongst the most | :03:15. | :03:20. | |
productive as well. And it's really a victory for them and for the trade | :03:21. | :03:26. | |
unions and the business organisations, and everybody who | :03:27. | :03:28. | |
campaigned to make sure that the government couldn't ignore their | :03:29. | :03:35. | |
future. It's our future. I'm the MP for Newcastle. It makes a huge | :03:36. | :03:39. | |
difference to the region. We are a region that still likes to make | :03:40. | :03:43. | |
things that work. It is a huge part of our advanced manufacturing | :03:44. | :03:49. | |
sector. So it's really something we welcome as well as the job security. | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
I'm glad we have got that on the record from the Labour shadow | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
business secretary. But your Shadow Chancellor, John McDonnell, claims | :04:00. | :04:01. | |
the government is ignoring manufacturers and cares only about a | :04:02. | :04:07. | |
small banking elite. In what way is safeguarding 30,000 industrial jobs | :04:08. | :04:10. | |
in the North safeguarding a financial elite? As I said, we're | :04:11. | :04:15. | |
really pleased that the campaigning by trade unions and the workforce, | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
and business organisations, meant the government felt they couldn t | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
ignore Nissan workers. Let's also be clear that we want that kind of job | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
security for all of those working in manufacturing and in other sectors | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
as well. And sweetheart deals for one company, no matter how important | :04:33. | :04:38. | |
they are, that does not an industrial strategy make. Why'd you | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
say it is a sweetheart deal? Greg Clark told the BBC this morning that | :04:43. | :04:48. | |
what was assured to Nissan is an assurance he gives to the whole | :04:49. | :04:52. | |
industrial sector? I was really pleased to see Greg Clark felt he | :04:53. | :04:58. | |
had to say something, even though it's sad that we having our | :04:59. | :05:03. | |
industrial strategy, you like, or our approach to Brexit delivered | :05:04. | :05:06. | |
piecemeal to the media rather than to the British people and Nissan, | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
actually. But he want published the letter. He said he has told us what | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
is in the letter and that reassurances given on training, on | :05:16. | :05:19. | |
science and on supporting the supply chain for the automated sector. You | :05:20. | :05:25. | |
must be in favour all -- of all of that? We are in favour of an | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
industrial strategy. Greg Clark unlike Sajid Javid, cannot say | :05:31. | :05:38. | |
industrial strategy. I'm still puzzling to find out what it is you | :05:39. | :05:44. | |
disagree with. Let me put the question. You said the assurances he | :05:45. | :05:48. | |
has given to Nissan are available to the car manufacturing sector in | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
general and indeed to industry in general. What is your problem with | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
that? Two things. Let him publish the letter so we can see that, let | :05:59. | :06:02. | |
him have the transparency he's pretending to offer. But also, we | :06:03. | :06:08. | |
need an industrial strategy that values -- that is values based and | :06:09. | :06:16. | |
joined. He talked about electric cars and supporting green cars. That | :06:17. | :06:22. | |
was in regard to Nissan. At the same time the government has slashed | :06:23. | :06:26. | |
support for other areas of green technology. So what is it? That is | :06:27. | :06:30. | |
not to do with the Nissan deal. Labour implied at some stage there | :06:31. | :06:36. | |
was some financial inducement, some secret bribes, that doesn't seem to | :06:37. | :06:41. | |
be the case. You are not claiming that any more -- any more. Then you | :06:42. | :06:46. | |
claimed it was a sweetheart deal for one company. That turns out not to | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
be the case. What criticism are you left with on this Nissan deal? I | :06:51. | :06:57. | |
would be really surprised if all that Nissan got was the reassurances | :06:58. | :07:03. | |
that Greg Clark is shared with us. He didn't answer the question of | :07:04. | :07:08. | |
what happens if we can't get continued tariff free access to the | :07:09. | :07:11. | |
single market, if we are not within the single market or the Customs | :07:12. | :07:17. | |
Union. Do you really think a negotiator like Nissan, who are very | :07:18. | :07:21. | |
good at negotiating, they would have excepted making this significant | :07:22. | :07:23. | |
investment without some further reassurances? Do you think there is | :07:24. | :07:29. | |
some kind of financial bride and if so what is the evidence? I would | :07:30. | :07:35. | |
like to see the letter published and I would also like to understand what | :07:36. | :07:40. | |
would happen... There are 27 countries which need to agree with | :07:41. | :07:45. | |
the deal we have from Brexit. What will Nissan, how will Nissan remain | :07:46. | :07:49. | |
competitive? How will the automotive industry remain competitive? Greg | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
Clark says he reassured them on that. But how will that be so if we | :07:55. | :07:58. | |
do not get access? We haven't heard anything about that. He talks about | :07:59. | :08:07. | |
reassurances given to Nissan. We need to make -- to know where we're | :08:08. | :08:11. | |
going to make sure Brexit is in the interest of all workers, not only | :08:12. | :08:15. | |
those who work for a Nissan and not only those who can get the attention | :08:16. | :08:22. | |
of Greg Clark. He assured Nissan that Britain would remain a | :08:23. | :08:25. | |
competitive place to do business. That was the main assurance he gave | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
them. He would help with skills and infrastructure and all the rest | :08:30. | :08:34. | |
Since you are -- intend to repeal the trade union laws that have made | :08:35. | :08:38. | |
strikes in Britain largely a thing of the past, and you plan to raise | :08:39. | :08:41. | |
corporation tax, you couldn't give Nissan the same assurance, could | :08:42. | :08:46. | |
you? We could absolutely give Nissan the assurance that we will be, our | :08:47. | :08:51. | |
vision of the future of the UK, is based on having a strong | :08:52. | :08:55. | |
manufacturing sector. Repealing trade union laws? As we have seen at | :08:56. | :09:06. | |
Nissan, the industrial sector is dependent on having highly trained, | :09:07. | :09:14. | |
well skilled workers. -- highly skilled, well-trained. You don't | :09:15. | :09:18. | |
have that by getting -- having an aggressive policy and trade union | :09:19. | :09:22. | |
laws or by slashing corporation tax and not supporting manufacturing | :09:23. | :09:27. | |
investment. Remember, the last government took away the | :09:28. | :09:29. | |
Manufacturing allowances which supported Manufacturing and slashed | :09:30. | :09:35. | |
corporation tax. That is their solution. It is a low tax, low skill | :09:36. | :09:38. | |
economy they want. Thank you. Sorry I had to rush you. | :09:39. | :09:43. | |
I'm grateful for you joining us I'm still struggling to see what is | :09:44. | :09:53. | |
left of Labour's criticism? Yeah, except for this. This was a valid | :09:54. | :09:58. | |
point she just made. What we know for sure is that Greg Clark could | :09:59. | :10:01. | |
say to Nissan, my aim is to get tariff free deal. There is no way he | :10:02. | :10:08. | |
could guarantee that. None of us know that. I don't think that was | :10:09. | :10:12. | |
enough. I think clearly there was a more detailed package involving | :10:13. | :10:19. | |
training and other things. He has acknowledged this, albeit we do not | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
know the precise mechanism. What I think is interesting about this is | :10:24. | :10:26. | |
if you reverse what happened this week, at a time when the government | :10:27. | :10:29. | |
says Britain is open for business and it is going to have an | :10:30. | :10:34. | |
industrial strategy, so far it is a bit vaguely defined. Nissan hadn't | :10:35. | :10:38. | |
made this commitment. Imagine what would have happened? It is an | :10:39. | :10:41. | |
impossible scenario. The government seems to me was obliged to make sure | :10:42. | :10:48. | |
this didn't happen. Let's not forget Nissan has invested hundreds of | :10:49. | :10:52. | |
millions in the north-east. It has been a huge success story. When I | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
spoke to workers from Nissan, they were so proud because they went to | :10:57. | :11:01. | |
Japan to teach the Japanese had to be more productive. The idea that | :11:02. | :11:04. | |
Nissan was just going to walk away from this given its track record, | :11:05. | :11:08. | |
its importance, wasn't really credible. The government had some | :11:09. | :11:14. | |
bargaining chips. Absolutely, of course they weren't going to walk | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
away. The majority of people in the area in which Nissan is braced - | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
based, voted for Brexit. Nissan knows it is in a powerful position | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
because it is an emotive sector Clearly the government didn't want | :11:28. | :11:30. | |
to have some big showdown. I honestly don't think this is a | :11:31. | :11:37. | |
smoking gun. The Labour Shadow minister really struggled to | :11:38. | :11:39. | |
articulate what exactly she thinks the government is hiding. I think | :11:40. | :11:42. | |
the reassurances were given were pretty anodyne, really. They were | :11:43. | :11:48. | |
anodyne and general. And what Greg Clark was setting out was an | :11:49. | :11:50. | |
objective and he made the right noises, and Nissan exercised its | :11:51. | :11:55. | |
right to sabre rattle. It does have a history of doing that. The one | :11:56. | :12:01. | |
thing that would now be clear given Greg Clark's performance this | :12:02. | :12:04. | |
morning on the BBC, is that if we were to discover some kind of | :12:05. | :12:07. | |
financial incentive directly linked to this investment, not more for | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
skills or infrastructure, that is fine, but some direct financial | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
investment, compensation for tariffs, which would be illegal | :12:18. | :12:19. | |
under World Trade Organisation rules, what you might call a | :12:20. | :12:25. | |
financial bride, the sect -- the business Secretary's position would | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
be untenable? He would be in a very difficult position indeed. Just | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
released the letter. There is nothing to hide. Put it out there. | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
The most revealing thing is that people are getting wildly excited | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
about the fact Greg Clark announced Britain's negotiating position would | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
be that we would like tariff free trade with Europe. This is regarded | :12:47. | :12:49. | |
as an insight into what this comment is doing and it says a great deal | :12:50. | :12:52. | |
about how little we have been told in Parliament and the media about | :12:53. | :12:58. | |
what they are up. Do you think it is exciting we are going for tariff | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
free trade? We're easily excited these days. We don't know. This is | :13:03. | :13:09. | |
where these things are at such a tentative phase. We don't know how | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
the rest of the European Union is going to respond to Britain's | :13:14. | :13:19. | |
negotiating hand. We know Britain once the best of everything, please. | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
It is a starting point. But that is not how it is going to end up. We | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
are getting wider than that. We have will have to see. | :13:30. | :13:31. | |
Now, Universal Credit, a single payment made to welfare | :13:32. | :13:34. | |
claimants that would roll together a plethora of benefits whilst | :13:35. | :13:36. | |
encouraging people into work by making work pay. | :13:37. | :13:39. | |
But have cuts to the flagship welfare scheme reduced work | :13:40. | :13:41. | |
incentives and hit the incomes of the least well-off? | :13:42. | :13:46. | |
Well, some of the government's own MPs think so, and, | :13:47. | :13:49. | |
as Mark Lobel reports, want the cuts reversed. | :13:50. | :13:55. | |
Theresa May says she wants a country that works | :13:56. | :13:58. | |
for everyone, that's on the side of ordinary, working people. | :13:59. | :14:02. | |
It means never writing off people who can work and consigning them | :14:03. | :14:05. | |
to a life on benefits, but giving them the chance to go out | :14:06. | :14:08. | |
and earn a living and to enjoy the dignity that comes | :14:09. | :14:11. | |
But now some in her party are worried that the low earners | :14:12. | :14:18. | |
will be hit by changes to Universal Credit benefit system | :14:19. | :14:22. | |
originally set up to encourage more people into work. | :14:23. | :14:24. | |
We also need to focus tax credits and Universal Credit | :14:25. | :14:27. | |
Concern centred on the Government's decision in the July 2015 budget | :14:28. | :14:34. | |
to find ?3 billion worth of savings from the Universal Credit bill. | :14:35. | :14:43. | |
Conservative MP Heidi Allen is working on a campaign to get MPs | :14:44. | :14:46. | |
in her party to urge the Prime Minister to think again. | :14:47. | :14:54. | |
I want her to understand for herself what the outcomes might | :14:55. | :14:56. | |
be if we press ahead with the Universal Credit, | :14:57. | :14:58. | |
Do you think Theresa May, right now, understands what you understand | :14:59. | :15:03. | |
To be fair, unless you really get into the detail, | :15:04. | :15:05. | |
and I have through my work on the Work and Pensions | :15:06. | :15:08. | |
Select Committee, I don't think anybody does. | :15:09. | :15:10. | |
Independent economic analysts at the IFS agree with Heidi Alan | :15:11. | :15:16. | |
that cuts to Universal Credit weaken incentives to work. | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
One of the key parts of the Universal Credit system | :15:21. | :15:22. | |
That is how much you can earn before your credit | :15:23. | :15:26. | |
As the Government has sought to save money, | :15:27. | :15:29. | |
both under the Coalition and now they Conservative Government, | :15:30. | :15:31. | |
both under the Coalition and now the Conservative Government, | :15:32. | :15:33. | |
that work allowance has been cut, time and time again. | :15:34. | :15:36. | |
The biggest cuts happened in the summer budget of 2015. | :15:37. | :15:38. | |
That basically reduces the amount of earnings you get to keep | :15:39. | :15:41. | |
It weakens the incentive people have to move into work. | :15:42. | :15:44. | |
What do changes to the Universal Credit system mean? | :15:45. | :15:46. | |
The Resolution Foundation think tank has crunched the numbers. | :15:47. | :15:50. | |
If you compare what would have happened before the July 2015 summer | :15:51. | :15:53. | |
budget to what will happen by 2 20, even if you take into account gains | :15:54. | :15:57. | |
in the National Living Wage and income tax cuts, | :15:58. | :15:59. | |
recipients will be hit by annual deductions. | :16:00. | :16:04. | |
Couples and parents would receive, on average, ?1000 less. | :16:05. | :16:08. | |
A dual-earning couple with two children under four, | :16:09. | :16:09. | |
with one partner working full-time on ?10.50 an hour and the other | :16:10. | :16:12. | |
working part-time on the minimum wage for around 20 | :16:13. | :16:15. | |
hours a week, they would receive ?1800 less. | :16:16. | :16:23. | |
Hit most by the changes would be a single parent | :16:24. | :16:25. | |
with a child under four, working full-time | :16:26. | :16:27. | |
I think, if I'm honest, it is unrealistic, given | :16:28. | :16:40. | |
the economic climate, to expect everything to be reversed. | :16:41. | :16:43. | |
What I would like to see is an increase in the work | :16:44. | :16:49. | |
allowances to those people who will be hardest hit. | :16:50. | :16:52. | |
That is single parents and second earners hoping to return to work, | :16:53. | :16:55. | |
because they are the people we need to absolutely make | :16:56. | :16:57. | |
The Sunday Politics understands that about 15 to 20 Conservative MPs | :16:58. | :17:02. | |
are pushing for changes ahead of the Autumn Statement. | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
A former cabinet minister told us that they believed further impact | :17:07. | :17:09. | |
analysis should be done to find out if any mitigation measures | :17:10. | :17:12. | |
Former Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith, an architect | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
of the system, now says the cuts should be reversed. | :17:19. | :17:23. | |
But his former department has told us that it has no plans to revisit | :17:24. | :17:27. | |
the work allowance changes announced in the budget last year. | :17:28. | :17:32. | |
What I would say to Heidi Allen and IDS, they got it right the first | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
time and they should stick to the vote they cast last year | :17:37. | :17:39. | |
because these reforms actually do make sense. | :17:40. | :17:40. | |
What interests me is the fact we are trying to move people | :17:41. | :17:43. | |
off welfare into work, we are raising the wages people | :17:44. | :17:46. | |
earn by massively increasing the minimum wage and this | :17:47. | :17:48. | |
People are coming off welfare and into work. | :17:49. | :17:52. | |
Campaigners are pushing for savings to come from other areas to relieve | :17:53. | :17:55. | |
The other thing we have to start looking at is the triple | :17:56. | :18:00. | |
Financially it has been a great policy, and it was absolutely right | :18:01. | :18:04. | |
that we lifted pensioners who were significantly behind, | :18:05. | :18:06. | |
for many years, in terms of income levels, but they have | :18:07. | :18:09. | |
I think it is time for us to look at that policy again, | :18:10. | :18:14. | |
because is costing us an awful lot of money. | :18:15. | :18:17. | |
With just over three weeks to wait until the Conservative leadership's | :18:18. | :18:19. | |
new economic plan is unveiled in the Autumn Statement, | :18:20. | :18:23. | |
its top team is under pressure from within its own ranks to use it | :18:24. | :18:26. | |
And I'm joined now by former Work and Pensions Secretary, | :18:27. | :18:35. | |
Welcome back to the programme. Theresa May said she is on the side | :18:36. | :18:43. | |
of the just managing, the working poor. But they are about to be hit | :18:44. | :18:49. | |
from all sides. Their modest living standards are going to be squeezed | :18:50. | :18:52. | |
as inflation overtakes pay rises, they will be further squeezed | :18:53. | :18:56. | |
because top-up benefits in work are frozen. Incentives to work are going | :18:57. | :18:59. | |
to be reduced by the cuts in universal benefits. So much for | :19:00. | :19:04. | |
being on the side of those just managing? Theresa was right to focus | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
on this group. The definition has to be the bottom half, in economic | :19:10. | :19:16. | |
terms, of the social structure. It doesn't look good for them? This is | :19:17. | :19:20. | |
the point I am making, it is an opportunity to put some of this | :19:21. | :19:24. | |
right. One of the reasons I resigned in March is because I felt the | :19:25. | :19:27. | |
direction of travel we had been going in had been to take far too | :19:28. | :19:30. | |
much money out of that group of people when there are other areas | :19:31. | :19:34. | |
which, if you need to make some of those savings, you can. The key bit | :19:35. | :19:38. | |
is that the group needs to be helped through into work and encouraged to | :19:39. | :19:41. | |
stay in work. There was a report done with the IFS, when we were | :19:42. | :19:46. | |
there, at Universal Credit. It said Universal Credit rolled out, as it | :19:47. | :19:52. | |
should have been before the cuts, people would be much more likely to | :19:53. | :19:55. | |
stay in work longer and earn more money. It is a net positive, but | :19:56. | :19:59. | |
that is now called into question. Let's unpick some of the detail but | :20:00. | :20:04. | |
first, do you accept the words of David Willets? It says on the basis | :20:05. | :20:07. | |
of the things I read out to you that the just managing face a significant | :20:08. | :20:14. | |
and painful cut in real terms if we continue on the way we are going. I | :20:15. | :20:20. | |
do, in essence. That is the reason why I resigned. I felt Heidi raised | :20:21. | :20:28. | |
that issue as well, that we got the balance wrong. It is right that | :20:29. | :20:31. | |
pensioners get to a certain point, when they are on a level par, doing | :20:32. | :20:35. | |
the right thing over five years Staying with that process has cost | :20:36. | :20:40. | |
us ?18 billion extra this year, in total. It will go on costing another | :20:41. | :20:49. | |
5 billion. Then there is the issue of tax allowances. I want to remind | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
you and viewers what David Cameron told the Conservative conference in | :20:55. | :21:00. | |
2009. If you are a single mother with two children, earning ?150 a | :21:01. | :21:06. | |
week, the withdrawal of your benefits and the additional taxes | :21:07. | :21:09. | |
that you pay me on that for every extra you earn, you keep just 4p. | :21:10. | :21:17. | |
What kind of incentive is that? 30 years ago, this party won and | :21:18. | :21:23. | |
election fighting against 98% tax rates for the Rex richest. I want us | :21:24. | :21:32. | |
today to show even more anger about 96% tax rates for the very poorest | :21:33. | :21:37. | |
in our country. Real anger, and effective rate of over 90%. | :21:38. | :21:43. | |
Universal Credit reduces that. Some will still face, as they lose | :21:44. | :21:47. | |
benefits and pay tax, a marginal rate of over 75%. That is still too | :21:48. | :21:52. | |
high? Yes, it is the collision between those going into work at the | :21:53. | :21:57. | |
moment they start paying tax. A racial Universal Credit is set at | :21:58. | :22:01. | |
65%. You can call that the base marginal tax rate. 1.2 million will | :22:02. | :22:08. | |
face 75%? That is the point about why the allowances are so important. | :22:09. | :22:11. | |
The point about the allowances which viewers might not fully understand | :22:12. | :22:15. | |
is that it was set, as part of Universal Credit, to allow you to | :22:16. | :22:18. | |
get certain people, with certain difficulties, as they cross into | :22:19. | :22:22. | |
work, to retain more benefit before it is tapered away as they go up in | :22:23. | :22:29. | |
hours. A lone parent, who might have various issues, you want her to have | :22:30. | :22:32. | |
a bigger incentive than a single person that does not have the same | :22:33. | :22:36. | |
commitments. It is structured so that somebody who has difficulty | :22:37. | :22:40. | |
going to work, they all have slightly different rates. What | :22:41. | :22:43. | |
happened is that last year a decision was taken to reduce tax | :22:44. | :22:46. | |
credits, and, on the back of that, to reduce allowances. I believe | :22:47. | :22:50. | |
given everything that happened now, we need to restore that to the point | :22:51. | :22:56. | |
where it helps those people crossing over. You say a decision was taken, | :22:57. | :22:59. | |
it was a decision by the former Chancellor George Osborne in the | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
summer budget. Other decisions were taken in successive Budgets to raise | :23:05. | :23:08. | |
the Universal Credit budget, which resulted in the disincentive being | :23:09. | :23:11. | |
higher than many people wanted. Do you accept that has been the | :23:12. | :23:17. | |
consequence of his decisions? I was in the Government, we take | :23:18. | :23:19. | |
collective responsibility. I argued this was not the right way to go, | :23:20. | :23:23. | |
but when you are in you have to stay with it if you lose that argument. | :23:24. | :23:26. | |
There was another attempt before the spending review last year to | :23:27. | :23:30. | |
increase the taper, so the marginal rate would have gone up. I managed | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
to stop that. I'm Sibley saying what we made as a decision last | :23:36. | :23:39. | |
year, given the circumstances and given that the net effect of all of | :23:40. | :23:44. | |
that, I think it is time for the Government to ask the question, if | :23:45. | :23:48. | |
we are in this to help that group of people, Universal Credit is | :23:49. | :23:52. | |
singularly the most powerful tool. One of the Argentine aid in the | :23:53. | :23:55. | |
paper published on Thursday, we are set going on doing two more races of | :23:56. | :24:00. | |
the tax threshold, taking more people out of tax. That has a | :24:01. | :24:07. | |
diminishing effect on the bottom section. Only 25p in that tax rate | :24:08. | :24:12. | |
will help any of those. Most of it goes to middle income? You and I | :24:13. | :24:17. | |
will benefit more from that. With Universal Credit, every pound you | :24:18. | :24:21. | |
put into that will go to the bottom five tenths. That is why I designed | :24:22. | :24:24. | |
it like that. He pressed the button and immediately start to changed | :24:25. | :24:29. | |
circumstances. Should the cuts in Universal Credit that Mr Osborne | :24:30. | :24:33. | |
introduced, against your argument, should they be reversed? I believe | :24:34. | :24:38. | |
so. I believe you can do it even if there is concern about spending I | :24:39. | :24:41. | |
don't believe you need to go through with the continuing raise the tax | :24:42. | :24:45. | |
threshold. Cost is dependent on inflation, but give or take. It is | :24:46. | :24:53. | |
in the Tory manifesto? Has more than doubled. What is in the manifesto, | :24:54. | :24:59. | |
and Lasse Prime Minister made this clear in conference, we want to | :25:00. | :25:04. | |
improve the life chances of people. Today's announcement on the Green | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
paper is what I wrote over the last two and a half years. Big changes | :25:09. | :25:11. | |
necessary to how we deal with sickness benefit. That can now be | :25:12. | :25:15. | |
done because of Universal Credit, because people can go back to work | :25:16. | :25:19. | |
and it tapers away their benefits. It is the most powerful tool to sort | :25:20. | :25:22. | |
our people that live in poverty Universal Credit. We need to make | :25:23. | :25:28. | |
sure it lands positively. If Mr Osborne's cuts were reversed, what | :25:29. | :25:31. | |
you and some of your backbench Tory colleagues want to do, how would | :25:32. | :25:35. | |
that improve the incentives of the working poor, as they try to get on | :25:36. | :25:42. | |
in life? They have to pay more tax, they lose some benefits. How would | :25:43. | :25:48. | |
it improve it? Would many still face a 75% rate? The key question is | :25:49. | :25:51. | |
first and foremost, as people move through income to the point where | :25:52. | :25:57. | |
they are getting taxed, that group will be enormously benefited by the | :25:58. | :26:00. | |
re-emergence of these allowances at the right level. That is what the | :26:01. | :26:05. | |
IFS have said, that is what the Resolution Foundation are saying, | :26:06. | :26:10. | |
and the Centre For Social Justice is saying. You have to get that group, | :26:11. | :26:13. | |
because they are most likely to be drifting into poverty and less | :26:14. | :26:18. | |
incomes are right. Would it help those who face a 75% margin? We | :26:19. | :26:23. | |
don't face that. Exactly right. People much poorer than us do. I | :26:24. | :26:28. | |
would love to get the marginal rate down to testify percent, and lower,. | :26:29. | :26:36. | |
-- down to 65%. It is a balance of how you spend the money. I would | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
prefer to do that rather than necessarily go ahead with threshold | :26:41. | :26:47. | |
razors. I think the coronation of the marginal reduction of 65%, | :26:48. | :26:53. | |
getting it down to 60%, plus more allowances, will allow Universal | :26:54. | :26:55. | |
Credit to get to the group that is going to be, and the report written | :26:56. | :26:59. | |
by the IFS and ourselves, it shows it is going to be the most dynamic | :27:00. | :27:03. | |
and direct ability of a Government to be able to influence the way that | :27:04. | :27:07. | |
people improve their incomes in the bottom five deciles. Would you take | :27:08. | :27:14. | |
on extra work if you knew you were going to lose 75% of it? Even 6 %? | :27:15. | :27:20. | |
This has been my argument all along. Universal Credit can help that | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
enormously. One point that goes missing, 70% of the bottom five | :27:26. | :27:30. | |
deciles will be on Universal Credit. Whatever change you make to | :27:31. | :27:32. | |
Universal Credit has a dramatic and immediate effect I am arguing, | :27:33. | :27:39. | |
genuinely, it is time to rethink this. The Prime Minister wants to | :27:40. | :27:42. | |
make this a priority. I am completely with her on this. I think | :27:43. | :27:46. | |
she made a really good start. To deliver this, we need to... You have | :27:47. | :27:52. | |
a lot of work to do to deliver it. Because it is a manifesto | :27:53. | :27:55. | |
commitment, or because they want to do it, stopping increasing the | :27:56. | :28:01. | |
personal allowances are not acceptable, what about bringing to | :28:02. | :28:03. | |
an end, by the end of the parliament, the pension triple lock | :28:04. | :28:09. | |
that pensioners enjoy to improve and put more money to the working poor? | :28:10. | :28:15. | |
What about that? Well, you are absolutely right that there is now | :28:16. | :28:20. | |
the danger, I think, of a mess balance between the generations | :28:21. | :28:22. | |
Quite rightly at the beginning, when we came in, we have a commitment as | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
a Conservative Party in a manifesto to get pensions back onto earnings. | :28:27. | :28:33. | |
It was moved to a triple lock that guaranteed a minimum. What about | :28:34. | :28:38. | |
ending up now? I understand it is a promise through the Parliament, but | :28:39. | :28:42. | |
after 2020? I am in favour of getting it back to innings and | :28:43. | :28:45. | |
allowing it to rise at reasonable levels. Moving from earnings to the | :28:46. | :28:50. | |
triple lock has cost ?18 billion this year. Here was a high, under | :28:51. | :28:54. | |
pressure, as the Government was scratching around to pay more money | :28:55. | :28:58. | |
out of working age areas, when the budget was almost out of control on | :28:59. | :29:02. | |
the pension side. I'm in favour of helping pensioners, but now they are | :29:03. | :29:06. | |
up to a reasonable level, at a steady rate, that can be afforded by | :29:07. | :29:09. | |
Government, which takes the pressure off, working age people have to pay | :29:10. | :29:14. | |
for that. In years to come, time to end the triple lock | :29:15. | :29:26. | |
and use the savings to help these people we have been talking about? | :29:27. | :29:30. | |
As part of a load of packages, yes. It would also help with the | :29:31. | :29:32. | |
intergenerational fairness argument. Thank you for being with us. | :29:33. | :29:35. | |
Now, a prominent London Imam called Shakeel Begg - | :29:36. | :29:37. | |
who is Chief Imam the Lewisham Islamic Centre - is an extremist. | :29:38. | :29:40. | |
That was the verdict of the judge in a libel action that Mr Begg took | :29:41. | :29:43. | |
against the BBC, after we described him as an Islamic extremist | :29:44. | :29:46. | |
Mr Begg had complained about a short segment in an interview in November | :29:47. | :29:50. | |
2013 with Farooq Murad, the then head of the Muslim Council | :29:51. | :29:53. | |
of Britain, an organisation which claims to represent British | :29:54. | :29:55. | |
In that interview, we described Mr Begg as an extremist speaker | :29:56. | :30:01. | |
who had hailed jihad is the greatest of deeds. | :30:02. | :30:04. | |
From his base of the Lewisham Islamic Centre, Mr Begg has been | :30:05. | :30:08. | |
involved in a number of community organisations, including | :30:09. | :30:11. | |
the Police Independent Advisory Group in Lewisham, | :30:12. | :30:14. | |
Lewisham Council's Advisory Council on Religious Education | :30:15. | :30:19. | |
and as a volunteer chaplain at Lewisham Hospital. | :30:20. | :30:22. | |
But in his judgment, Mr Justice Haddon-Cave called | :30:23. | :30:27. | |
Mr Begg a Jekyll and Hyde character - a trusted figure in his local | :30:28. | :30:30. | |
community, but when talking to predominantly Muslim audiences | :30:31. | :30:33. | |
he shed the cloak of respectability and revealed the horns of extremism. | :30:34. | :30:38. | |
The judge cited one speech made by Mr Begg at a rally | :30:39. | :30:41. | |
outside Belmarsh Prisonm- the high security prison that houses | :30:42. | :30:44. | |
terrorists - as particularly sinister. | :30:45. | :30:47. | |
The judge said the imam was expressing admiration and praise | :30:48. | :30:50. | |
Following Friday's judgment, the hospital trust have told us that | :30:51. | :30:56. | |
Mr Begg's status as a voluntary chaplain has been terminated. | :30:57. | :31:00. | |
We have been told by Lewisham Council he is no longer | :31:01. | :31:04. | |
on their Religious Education Committee. | :31:05. | :31:05. | |
The Metropolitan Police have confirmed that | :31:06. | :31:07. | |
Mr Begg remains a member of their Independent Advisory Group | :31:08. | :31:12. | |
in Lewisham, as well as the borough's faith group. | :31:13. | :31:22. | |
I am joined by Haras Rafiq, chief executive of the Quilliam | :31:23. | :31:26. | |
Foundation. Welcome to the programme. I have here in my hand a | :31:27. | :31:33. | |
statement from the trustees of the Lewisham Islamic Centre. They reject | :31:34. | :31:39. | |
the judge's ruling as fanciful and say they are unequivocal and | :31:40. | :31:41. | |
unwavering in their support of Shakeel Begg as their head imam | :31:42. | :31:48. | |
What do you make of that? To be honest, it doesn't surprise me. At | :31:49. | :31:52. | |
the end of the day he is only the imam of that mosque because he | :31:53. | :31:56. | |
belongs to the same theological fundamentalist views that the mosque | :31:57. | :32:02. | |
would portray. If they were to say he was an extremist, they would be | :32:03. | :32:07. | |
saying in fact that they have allowed extremist preaching and | :32:08. | :32:10. | |
extremist theology within their walls. I think this is a very | :32:11. | :32:15. | |
important decision and a very important judgment by the judge | :32:16. | :32:22. | |
First of all, these people like to operate in a linear, under a veneer | :32:23. | :32:27. | |
of respectability. When that veneer is taken away, there are a number of | :32:28. | :32:31. | |
things that can happen. First of all, the BBC did very well to stand | :32:32. | :32:35. | |
by their guns and say, we're not going to be intimidated by somebody | :32:36. | :32:42. | |
who is threatening to taking -- to take us to court for potential | :32:43. | :32:46. | |
libel. Many other media companies have done that in the past and | :32:47. | :32:51. | |
people have capitulated. Also, this has exposed him. Legally now, here's | :32:52. | :32:57. | |
some deal can be classified as an extremist preacher, somebody who | :32:58. | :33:00. | |
promotes religious violence. I think the mosque really needs to take a | :33:01. | :33:04. | |
step back and say, how we part of the problem that we are facing | :33:05. | :33:08. | |
within society? Or are we going to be part of the solution? It really | :33:09. | :33:17. | |
concerns me. The High Court judge says that Mr Begg's speeches were | :33:18. | :33:22. | |
consistent with an extremist Salafist is the most worldview. What | :33:23. | :33:29. | |
is Salafist is and how widespread is it in UK mosques? -- mosque. It | :33:30. | :33:39. | |
comes from the Middle East. It is from Saudi Arabia. The enemy for | :33:40. | :33:42. | |
them was the old colonial Ottoman Empire. There is the quiet Salafist | :33:43. | :33:51. | |
to get some with their lives, lives outside society. There is a | :33:52. | :33:54. | |
revolutionary who tries to convert other people to their worldview And | :33:55. | :33:57. | |
then there is the Salafist jihad ease. People like Islamic State etc. | :33:58. | :34:05. | |
We have seen of increased in recent decades because of money that has, | :34:06. | :34:08. | |
growing from the Middle East. When that is mixed with a political | :34:09. | :34:13. | |
ideology, it becomes potent. Do we have a political -- particular | :34:14. | :34:17. | |
problem in Britain with this in our mosques? Absolutely. Without the | :34:18. | :34:23. | |
theology that says hate the other, hate other Muslims, that | :34:24. | :34:26. | |
excommunicate other people, that says it is OK to fight and is good | :34:27. | :34:31. | |
to fight when you have got an enemy, we wouldn't really have a jihadi | :34:32. | :34:35. | |
problem. Really that is something we have to tackle. The number of | :34:36. | :34:43. | |
mosques and institutions supporting Salafist and Islam is has been on | :34:44. | :34:48. | |
the increase. Do we have a problem with what the judge called Jekyll | :34:49. | :34:53. | |
and Hyde characters who hide their extremism except when they are | :34:54. | :34:59. | |
speaking to specific groups? Absolutely. One of the things we | :35:00. | :35:03. | |
have focused on in the past, a number of hate preachers now in | :35:04. | :35:08. | |
prison, people like Anjem Choudary, and everybody focused on them. But | :35:09. | :35:11. | |
there is a range of people operating under that level. People who will | :35:12. | :35:15. | |
show one face to the community because they actually need that for | :35:16. | :35:20. | |
a respectability. They need that for a legitimacy. They need that to | :35:21. | :35:24. | |
operate. When they are behind closed doors and talking to their | :35:25. | :35:28. | |
constitution, that is when you will see the real face of what these | :35:29. | :35:33. | |
people believe. It is an increasing phenomenon. We are seeing it more. | :35:34. | :35:37. | |
And we're going to carry on seeing it. Not just has the Lewisham mosque | :35:38. | :35:45. | |
stuck by him, but given the clarity of the judge's ruling, are you | :35:46. | :35:49. | |
surprised that the Metropolitan police would wish to continue with | :35:50. | :35:53. | |
Mr Begg as an adviser? I'm absolutely shocked that that | :35:54. | :35:56. | |
decision. What Uzzy going to do Advise them on how to deal with | :35:57. | :36:02. | |
extremist preachers and promote religiously motivated violence? I | :36:03. | :36:05. | |
don't know what he's going to advise them on. Because we now have a judge | :36:06. | :36:11. | |
that has ruled against him and actually classified him as an | :36:12. | :36:13. | |
extremist and somebody who promotes religious violence, we actually have | :36:14. | :36:18. | |
a possibility for the CPS to actually prosecute him. There is a | :36:19. | :36:24. | |
law that has been in place since 2005 called religiously motivated | :36:25. | :36:26. | |
violence. If he has been classified as somebody who promotes this, there | :36:27. | :36:32. | |
is a potential for the CPS to prosecute. I want to called into | :36:33. | :36:36. | |
question other organisations, interfaith organisations, other | :36:37. | :36:39. | |
Muslims groups, who say they want to fight extremism, I call on them to | :36:40. | :36:46. | |
say, this guy is an extremist preacher, we should cut our ties | :36:47. | :36:55. | |
from him. This was a very high risk strategy by the BBC. The exposure | :36:56. | :36:59. | |
could have been over ?1.5 million of licence payers money. Will this make | :37:00. | :37:05. | |
it more difficult for Jekyll and Hyde characters to behave as Mr Begg | :37:06. | :37:11. | |
has behaved? Absolutely. It will do. One of the things they will now have | :37:12. | :37:15. | |
to make sure is that they are a lot more careful. Careful with what they | :37:16. | :37:22. | |
say to their own constituency. It won't solve the theological problem. | :37:23. | :37:26. | |
But it will actually stop other people from operating in this manner | :37:27. | :37:31. | |
and allow other media organisations to have the confidence to expose | :37:32. | :37:34. | |
them when they do. Haras Rafiq, thank you for joining us. | :37:35. | :37:37. | |
It's just gone 11.35, you're watching the Sunday Politics. | :37:38. | :37:39. | |
We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland, who leave us now | :37:40. | :37:42. | |
Coming up here in 20 minutes, the Week Ahead. | :37:43. | :37:53. | |
Welcome to Sunday politics in the West. | :37:54. | :37:57. | |
The citizens trying to help refugees cleared from the camp in Fr`nce | :37:58. | :38:20. | |
A few dozen children have been given sanctuary | :38:21. | :38:22. | |
in the West but there are | :38:23. | :38:23. | |
Here's a clue, we're talking about the US | :38:24. | :38:28. | |
election and who this wild West is supporting. | :38:29. | :38:30. | |
Hoping this is a place of s`fety for their 20 minutes are two | :38:31. | :38:33. | |
West Country politicians, Hdlen Hims is the chairman of Ukip in Somerset | :38:34. | :38:36. | |
In her spare time she runs ` garage business and Simon Hoare has been | :38:37. | :38:39. | |
the MP for North Dorset since last year's general election. | :38:40. | :38:42. | |
I have no idea what he does in his spare time. | :38:43. | :38:44. | |
I want to talk about Brexit first of all. | :38:45. | :38:55. | |
Which side of the Brexit cohn are you on, hard or soft? | :38:56. | :38:58. | |
soft on this site which givds the best deal for Britain so I think | :38:59. | :39:01. | |
these artificial distinctions of hard, soft, | :39:02. | :39:02. | |
The government has been very clear and | :39:03. | :39:05. | |
The British people have taken this decision. | :39:06. | :39:08. | |
We're going to abide by it and deliver | :39:09. | :39:19. | |
the best deal and have some very tough decisions | :39:20. | :39:21. | |
partners to make sure we get the best deal possible for British | :39:22. | :39:25. | |
You know whether we stay inside the internal | :39:26. | :39:47. | |
What I know the stages that we are fairly time in | :39:48. | :39:51. | |
the negotiations of the govdrnment is working out what of any red line | :39:52. | :39:55. | |
First of we have to see when we start these negotiations | :39:56. | :39:59. | |
where there are points of ghve and take on both | :40:00. | :40:02. | |
sides of the negotiation table and work out | :40:03. | :40:04. | |
if what is on offer is the | :40:05. | :40:05. | |
If we take a decision that it is not as a | :40:06. | :40:09. | |
government we will have to go back and rethink and then come b`ck with | :40:10. | :40:12. | |
clear it involves leaving the single market and get | :40:13. | :40:47. | |
and our laws and everything and the single murky it would bd a big | :40:48. | :40:58. | |
mistake if they went back into that because all the regulations and laws | :40:59. | :41:01. | |
would apply to us and we would still have | :41:02. | :41:03. | |
to pay the same amount and in a | :41:04. | :41:05. | |
way it would be like shackling ourselves. | :41:06. | :41:12. | |
Yes, outside the single market. He said it was a very clear decision | :41:13. | :41:27. | |
but in fact it was 52% to | :41:28. | :41:31. | |
What are saying is when people were voting to leave the understood, | :41:32. | :41:40. | |
I think, that leaving meant leaving the single market as well as the | :41:41. | :41:43. | |
To thousands it might not have meant that at all. | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
How do you know that wasn't on the ballot paper? | :41:48. | :41:49. | |
David Cameron was quite cle`r very shortly before the | :41:50. | :41:52. | |
referendum that if we voted for Brexit that would also dntail | :41:53. | :41:54. | |
But just days of campaigning left in the US | :41:55. | :41:58. | |
It is an election that has been dominated by | :41:59. | :42:01. | |
the smears and personal attacks and | :42:02. | :42:03. | |
So how do Americans living here in the West | :42:04. | :42:06. | |
Its culture seeps into ours more than | :42:07. | :42:13. | |
But where elections are concerned the 2016 addition has been | :42:14. | :42:17. | |
He hasn't paid a dime in federal income taxes for 20 | :42:18. | :42:23. | |
Did you know that over 5000 Americans in our | :42:24. | :42:26. | |
So where better to assess how our American chums now living | :42:27. | :42:30. | |
here in the West feel about Trump versus | :42:31. | :42:32. | |
MUSIC: Back in the USa by Chuck Berry | :42:33. | :42:36. | |
Meet Maya a student, Jonath`n, a lawyer and Hannah, a | :42:37. | :42:38. | |
All members of the Americans in Bristol Facebook group. | :42:39. | :42:59. | |
Do you mind if I give my ophnion a little bit as to the factors that | :43:00. | :43:05. | |
Where I am from, Ithaca, it is a very small | :43:06. | :43:09. | |
town that you go half an outside of it and you're in the | :43:10. | :43:13. | |
middle of the country and it is very Republican in the think a lot of | :43:14. | :43:16. | |
those people who live out there feel like they are not being represented | :43:17. | :43:19. | |
by the people in Washington and they feel like they have complained for | :43:20. | :43:26. | |
years and they had this antiestablishment message drummed | :43:27. | :43:28. | |
into the head and here comes Trump and I think that is where a lot of | :43:29. | :43:35. | |
The fact that Hillary is a woman is why they are | :43:36. | :43:39. | |
bringing into question so mtch for personality and things like that | :43:40. | :43:42. | |
because if you look at the polls and staff | :43:43. | :43:44. | |
she was really popular when | :43:45. | :43:45. | |
she had no power but I think honestly some people in America is | :43:46. | :43:48. | |
still not comfortable with having a woman with the country whhch is so | :43:49. | :43:51. | |
My view of Donald Trump as presidential candidate is that he | :43:52. | :43:55. | |
does not actually have any core political convictions. | :43:56. | :43:57. | |
I think that he is nothing more than a narcissist | :43:58. | :43:59. | |
and an opportunist who was given tremendous resources to indtlge | :44:00. | :44:02. | |
himself and know somehow matched his own surprise as as in a property | :44:03. | :44:05. | |
His face smeared on a wall in Bristol | :44:06. | :44:09. | |
that it is hard finding Don`ld Trump supporters round here. | :44:10. | :44:11. | |
Even amongst those on the right of the politic`l | :44:12. | :44:13. | |
When Ukip leader Nigel Farage defended his lewd comments | :44:14. | :44:16. | |
William Dartmouth. rebuke from his own site West MEP, | :44:17. | :44:24. | |
Nigel is the present leader of Ukip and when he | :44:25. | :44:27. | |
speaks it will be supposed to speak to the party. | :44:28. | :44:29. | |
On this matter he does not should not and cannot. | :44:30. | :44:32. | |
Jacob Rees-Mogg is another who had Peasley | :44:33. | :44:34. | |
said he would vote Republic`n if he was a US citizen | :44:35. | :44:37. | |
In the normal course of events I would thought for the | :44:38. | :44:41. | |
Republican candidate who happen to be Donald Trulp. | :44:42. | :44:43. | |
The tape-recording that camd out was extremely | :44:44. | :44:44. | |
disagreeable in a would find it not possible | :44:45. | :44:46. | |
to vote for somebody who | :44:47. | :44:48. | |
Obviously the candidates ard very busy at campaigning and too busy to | :44:49. | :45:01. | |
join us but there is this very uncanny resemblance | :45:02. | :45:03. | |
Are you really going to build a wall? | :45:04. | :45:08. | |
DONALD TRUMP: We will build a great wall | :45:09. | :45:10. | |
Hard to find, Pete says, Trump supporters in the | :45:11. | :45:14. | |
Has it find any in the studio, Hannah? | :45:15. | :45:17. | |
--I'm not a Trump supporter, I think both candidates, to be fair, | :45:18. | :45:32. | |
and staunch libertarian, I would find it impossible to support | :45:33. | :45:37. | |
Hillary Clinton's stance on big governments and state regul`tion and | :45:38. | :45:40. | |
high taxes and socialism and I would find very difficult | :45:41. | :45:42. | |
That's before we even start to talk about her globalist ambitions. | :45:43. | :45:44. | |
She could hardly be described as a socialist. | :45:45. | :45:46. | |
Her policies are very left of centre. | :45:47. | :45:48. | |
them? you would not fought for either of | :45:49. | :45:59. | |
I would have to hold my nose and vote vote | :46:00. | :46:05. | |
for Donald Trump because his policies are more in line whth my | :46:06. | :46:07. | |
I don't like some of his policies and don't like | :46:08. | :46:21. | |
I find myself saying something I thought I would | :46:22. | :46:24. | |
I think I would be abstaining in this election. | :46:25. | :46:27. | |
This is really the best of @merica can | :46:28. | :46:29. | |
produce from the two large parties and put | :46:30. | :46:31. | |
before the people it is | :46:32. | :46:50. | |
a fear the something the back of my head would say that if 200 people | :46:51. | :46:55. | |
took that view you might find Mr Trump sneaking | :46:56. | :46:57. | |
in through the back door so holding my nose and cupphng | :46:58. | :47:23. | |
my eyes to the polling station and finds a | :47:24. | :47:33. | |
Nevertheless do you admire hn some ways their system? | :47:34. | :47:37. | |
When you think we have Theresa May who nobody | :47:38. | :47:40. | |
here has voted for and I know we have a different system that is a | :47:41. | :47:43. | |
Parliamentary system but at least they go through those enormous | :47:44. | :47:46. | |
rigours and American people don t have someone they have never heard | :47:47. | :47:48. | |
He was on the ticket and became president without | :47:49. | :48:23. | |
having been directly elected as president so I'm not | :48:24. | :48:25. | |
entirely sure it is a case of apples and oranges. | :48:26. | :48:27. | |
I think the American system is unfit for purpose with the electoral | :48:28. | :48:30. | |
college and you bought for the person. | :48:31. | :48:32. | |
I don't think it is particularly healthy. | :48:33. | :48:37. | |
The amount of money that candidates are allowed to | :48:38. | :48:39. | |
spend I think this starts the whole system. | :48:40. | :48:41. | |
democratic problem was somebody who has not got | :48:42. | :48:50. | |
We would party elected to government just over a year ago | :48:51. | :49:07. | |
and she stood on the same manifesto is added. | :49:08. | :49:10. | |
former power minister resigned. the | :49:11. | :49:15. | |
We went through a process and she came | :49:16. | :49:27. | |
clamouring for her general dlection are questioning her legitim`cy to be | :49:28. | :49:32. | |
Let's talk about either Clinton or Trump and the effect thex | :49:33. | :49:35. | |
might have on us in the West Country. | :49:36. | :49:37. | |
There's a possibility that would be more favourable to Britain | :49:38. | :49:40. | |
He is certainly talking about free trade | :49:41. | :49:42. | |
One thing that bothers me a lot about the Clinton as her | :49:43. | :49:48. | |
She did a speech to Wall Street investment bank is | :49:49. | :49:52. | |
back in 2013 pushes said her vision was for a hemispheric common murky | :49:53. | :49:55. | |
Effectively that means that the whole of the Western Helisphere | :49:56. | :49:58. | |
really would have a kind of common murky situation and she was | :49:59. | :50:01. | |
vehemently opposed to Brexit as was Obama | :50:02. | :50:03. | |
and that was not just because | :50:04. | :50:04. | |
of this and that was becausd that is one of the building blocks. | :50:05. | :50:07. | |
Effectively that means that the whole of the Western Helisphere | :50:08. | :50:11. | |
really would have a kind of common murky situation and she was | :50:12. | :50:14. | |
vehemently opposed to Brexit as was Obama | :50:15. | :50:16. | |
and that was not just because | :50:17. | :50:17. | |
of this and that was becausd that is one of the building blocks. | :50:18. | :50:20. | |
Is it true that of Mr Trump gets in, it | :50:21. | :50:23. | |
does not look as if he's gohng to, but if he does, it might be easier | :50:24. | :50:27. | |
for our negotiators to go to Washington | :50:28. | :50:28. | |
and get a deal that benefits us in the West | :50:29. | :50:31. | |
Country and the rest of the | :50:32. | :50:32. | |
No, thank fundamentally Trump is an inward | :50:33. | :50:35. | |
looking protectionist which I think is bad | :50:36. | :50:36. | |
for a global politics of | :50:37. | :50:38. | |
But I think if we have seen logjam between the house of | :50:39. | :50:42. | |
representatives and the Sen`te and the White House he wantdd seen | :50:43. | :50:44. | |
If you are to have Trump White House. | :50:45. | :50:47. | |
One cannot envisage Congress or the Senate | :50:48. | :50:49. | |
will be here is a maverick and that is how he has he | :50:50. | :50:54. | |
will be shouting a similar White House at the walls of the Oval | :50:55. | :50:57. | |
Office by himself with absolute logjam in the rest of the government | :50:58. | :51:00. | |
No, thank fundamentally Trump is an inward | :51:01. | :51:02. | |
looking protectionist which I think is bad | :51:03. | :51:04. | |
for a global politics of | :51:05. | :51:05. | |
But I think if we have seen logjam between the house of | :51:06. | :51:09. | |
representatives and the Sen`te and the White House he wantdd seen | :51:10. | :51:12. | |
If you are to have Trump White House. | :51:13. | :51:15. | |
One cannot envisage Congress or the Senate | :51:16. | :51:16. | |
will be here is a maverick and that is how he has he | :51:17. | :51:21. | |
will be shouting a similar White House at the walls of the Oval | :51:22. | :51:24. | |
Office by himself with absolute logjam in the rest of the government | :51:25. | :51:27. | |
As the Calais refugees camp was demolished this | :51:28. | :51:30. | |
past week a few of the children who've been stuck there for months | :51:31. | :51:33. | |
We're taking some of the most vulnerable | :51:34. | :51:36. | |
and some youngsters your falily here would you be prepared to help? | :51:37. | :51:39. | |
Would you open up your home to a refugee | :51:40. | :51:41. | |
More than 150 Bristolians h`ve signed up to faster and mord | :51:42. | :51:44. | |
A group of volunteers are on their way | :51:45. | :51:49. | |
to help in the Cali camp known as the Jungle. | :51:50. | :51:52. | |
Conditions that have been rdported to me over the grim | :51:53. | :51:54. | |
and oppressing and the refugees are really down at heel murder wondering | :51:55. | :51:57. | |
Thousands of people were bussed out as demolition work began | :51:58. | :52:02. | |
this week but that is real concern still about the thousand or so | :52:03. | :52:05. | |
unaccompanied children who have been living here. | :52:06. | :52:07. | |
Some have been transferred to the UK because they | :52:08. | :52:09. | |
have family here because we have committed to taking some of the most | :52:10. | :52:12. | |
The charities say more need to be done. | :52:13. | :52:15. | |
Need to keep up pressure on the government. | :52:16. | :52:17. | |
We have seen some good things from the | :52:18. | :52:19. | |
government in terms of the promises and we need to hold them to account | :52:20. | :52:22. | |
and say we have promised to welcome some of those children and let's | :52:23. | :52:26. | |
The second thing is that actually people have become | :52:27. | :52:29. | |
foster carers so we're willing to make this | :52:30. | :52:30. | |
capacity in the system to | :52:31. | :52:32. | |
We have seen such a great response from people saying | :52:33. | :52:35. | |
How soon could somebody moving, do you think? | :52:36. | :52:43. | |
She is one of 150 Bristolians signed up with Home for | :52:44. | :52:48. | |
Good to foster children from the camps. | :52:49. | :52:50. | |
More than 1000 people have signed up across the West Country. | :52:51. | :52:52. | |
It is a very big undertaking but I think | :52:53. | :52:54. | |
with love and care and friendship anything can be accomplished. | :52:55. | :52:57. | |
But she is frustrated at how long it is | :52:58. | :52:59. | |
They asked for people to cole forward so good will is there | :53:00. | :53:03. | |
and people's good will is there and sometimes it can become is a bit | :53:04. | :53:06. | |
The council say they are committed to | :53:07. | :53:09. | |
taking Bristol 's fair shard of Anaconda children. | :53:10. | :53:11. | |
Furthermore than 50 being looked after here were some | :53:12. | :53:13. | |
We don't think it is suffichent to cover the total cost so we're | :53:14. | :53:17. | |
preparing work for the council cabinet to consider in terms of what | :53:18. | :53:20. | |
Clearly we want to make sure that that is no | :53:21. | :53:23. | |
additional pressure on the council budget so we will continue to work | :53:24. | :53:26. | |
Three of the children came from Cali just last | :53:27. | :53:30. | |
capacity in the system to | :53:31. | :53:31. | |
We have seen such a great response from people saying | :53:32. | :53:34. | |
How soon could somebody moving, do you think? | :53:35. | :53:42. | |
She is one of 150 Bristolians signed up with Home for | :53:43. | :53:47. | |
Good to foster children from the camps. | :53:48. | :53:49. | |
More than 1000 people have signed up across the West Country. | :53:50. | :53:51. | |
It is a very big undertaking but I think | :53:52. | :53:53. | |
with love and care and friendship anything can be accomplished. | :53:54. | :53:56. | |
But she is frustrated at how long it is | :53:57. | :53:58. | |
They asked for people to cole forward so good will is there | :53:59. | :54:02. | |
and people's good will is there and sometimes it can become is a bit | :54:03. | :54:05. | |
The council say they are committed to | :54:06. | :54:08. | |
taking Bristol 's fair shard of Anaconda children. | :54:09. | :54:10. | |
Furthermore than 50 being looked after here were some | :54:11. | :54:12. | |
We don't think it is suffichent to cover the total cost so we're | :54:13. | :54:16. | |
preparing work for the council cabinet to consider in terms of what | :54:17. | :54:19. | |
Clearly we want to make sure that that is no | :54:20. | :54:22. | |
additional pressure on the council budget so we will continue to work | :54:23. | :54:25. | |
Three of the children came from Calais just last | :54:26. | :54:29. | |
week because they were so vulnerable. | :54:30. | :54:30. | |
People wanted us to go to C`li and identify children and khnd | :54:31. | :54:37. | |
of pick them up and bring them to Bristol. | :54:38. | :54:39. | |
It is very complicated and other legal processes around how we assess | :54:40. | :54:42. | |
young people and children and we must follow the law. | :54:43. | :54:45. | |
We must make sure these children are safer for | :54:46. | :54:47. | |
the goal and just blocking somebody out without thinking through the | :54:48. | :54:49. | |
implications may not be the best thing. | :54:50. | :54:51. | |
I notice frustrating and I | :54:52. | :54:52. | |
know that everybody is restricted because of the scale of thesuffering | :54:53. | :54:55. | |
being so great but making stre we get the solution is right is very | :54:56. | :54:58. | |
important and that is what take some time. | :54:59. | :55:00. | |
The Calais camp may have gone but the crisis is not. | :55:01. | :55:05. | |
With us is one of those who went to Calais to help. | :55:06. | :55:08. | |
You saw him in the film, Richard Annandale. | :55:09. | :55:10. | |
How many times have you been to Calais? | :55:11. | :55:13. | |
What have you seen in terms of children there? | :55:14. | :55:16. | |
I've seen quite a few children who are sometimes well lookdd | :55:17. | :55:19. | |
wild because the French authorities have | :55:20. | :55:22. | |
They got their two summer pollen journeys. | :55:23. | :55:41. | |
When you're ten rate you do not go off by | :55:42. | :55:44. | |
By themselves or small groups and sometimes setting off | :55:45. | :55:47. | |
with families and family melbers have died in the way. | :55:48. | :55:50. | |
That is a report from Unicef cold neither safe | :55:51. | :55:52. | |
nor sound from June of this year which people to read to unddrstand | :55:53. | :55:55. | |
What sort of numbers would you like to see? | :55:56. | :55:59. | |
The number of the film is a good number, | :56:00. | :56:02. | |
The local authorities around the country when I last saw | :56:03. | :56:05. | |
the figures last week, there were 44 local | :56:06. | :56:07. | |
authorities who had committed to over 3000 | :56:08. | :56:09. | |
of these children, which | :56:10. | :56:10. | |
If you existed poorer than that another 64 and thdn | :56:11. | :56:13. | |
another because the queue is almost endless. | :56:14. | :56:15. | |
That is not a queue, there is | :56:16. | :56:16. | |
a cut-off for children who are coming under | :56:17. | :56:18. | |
what is known as the Dubs l`w, section 67 of the immigration act. | :56:19. | :56:21. | |
a cut-off for children who are coming under | :56:22. | :56:23. | |
what is known as the Dubs l`w, section 67 of the immigration act. | :56:24. | :56:26. | |
Children's after that shouldn't be able to come | :56:27. | :56:31. | |
over unless they have close family here and then they are entitled to. | :56:32. | :56:34. | |
I think we are actually doing quite a lot. | :56:35. | :56:41. | |
Last year we took I think 11,000 asylum seekers. | :56:42. | :56:43. | |
system at a cost of ?7,000 per application. | :56:44. | :56:46. | |
We are talking specifically about children in | :56:47. | :56:48. | |
We have agreed, haven't we, to take a few hundred child refugees | :56:49. | :56:52. | |
I think it is the right thing to think you are | :56:53. | :56:57. | |
quite right, David, when you see Ashley a few | :56:58. | :57:00. | |
camp and the UK, very shortly within a few weeks it | :57:01. | :57:03. | |
I think the first thing we have to do is get peace and | :57:04. | :57:09. | |
for people who are fleeing desperate situations. | :57:10. | :57:12. | |
Clearly the British government has I think | :57:13. | :57:15. | |
stepped up to the plate, both in terms of providing a vast alount of | :57:16. | :57:19. | |
humanitarian aid down the ground source. | :57:20. | :57:20. | |
What should we accept from | :57:21. | :57:21. | |
David, I think you made a point and Mike from Bristol City | :57:22. | :57:27. | |
Council earlier made the point as well, | :57:28. | :57:29. | |
the Dubs amendment gave the | :57:30. | :57:30. | |
We know the sort of numbers were talking about and I | :57:31. | :57:34. | |
think the figures we are working to regard | :57:35. | :57:35. | |
to the Home Office is the | :57:36. | :57:37. | |
And where do you stop in thd broad moral debate is a very | :57:38. | :57:41. | |
I'm a husband and a father and my heart goes out to | :57:42. | :57:45. | |
That is Mike was seen in the film it is not | :57:46. | :57:49. | |
difficult areas and bringing children then, we need to m`ke sure | :57:50. | :57:53. | |
that they are OK and more importantly we have to make sure | :57:54. | :57:56. | |
that where they are being house is also safe and secure. | :57:57. | :57:59. | |
You accept that point, you just can't pluck | :58:00. | :58:01. | |
If I can just tell your viewers and also leads to | :58:02. | :58:05. | |
people that the UK Government committed 40 months ago with the | :58:06. | :58:07. | |
French government, signed an agreement, | :58:08. | :58:08. | |
people that the UK Government committed 40 months ago with the | :58:09. | :58:11. | |
French government, signed an agreement, | :58:12. | :58:12. | |
that they would take all | :58:13. | :58:13. | |
the vulnerable people including children out of the camp to places | :58:14. | :58:16. | |
of safety in the 540 months to do that. | :58:17. | :58:18. | |
You just look at the television pictures and the Facebook | :58:19. | :58:21. | |
pictures this week and are ` lot of children still in the company should | :58:22. | :58:24. | |
That is I think a few polithcians dipping in necessarily | :58:25. | :58:29. | |
The problem is that not enough foster parents in | :58:30. | :58:32. | |
the West Country for children at the moment | :58:33. | :58:34. | |
and at a school places and so | :58:35. | :58:36. | |
It is all very well saying come on in. | :58:37. | :58:39. | |
It is practical to bring the might of the camping | :58:40. | :58:43. | |
Calais and if you look at the conditions they were appalling. | :58:44. | :58:46. | |
They need to be put into alternative accommodation this country `nd | :58:47. | :58:48. | |
during that time for the next five or six months foster carers need to | :58:49. | :58:52. | |
be found and there are plenty of foster carers. | :58:53. | :58:54. | |
So you had a group of children here and then became clear | :58:55. | :58:57. | |
that actually they had brothers and sisters elsewhere who wdre also | :58:58. | :58:59. | |
be entitled to come and perhaps parents | :59:00. | :59:01. | |
and uncles and so on, then the numbers do get | :59:02. | :59:04. | |
They have to make an application and the after | :59:05. | :59:08. | |
saving close family members here and this is a regulation goes | :59:09. | :59:10. | |
back three years and the UK Government should | :59:11. | :59:12. | |
You can't separate charge from his mum and dad, could | :59:13. | :59:16. | |
I personally think we be focusing our efforts on the cards in | :59:17. | :59:20. | |
Syria and just outside Syri` where we have committed somd 20 000. | :59:21. | :59:22. | |
Counting 12 or three, what do you think? | :59:23. | :59:26. | |
We are talking here about pdople not gesture politics. | :59:27. | :59:31. | |
To talk about gestures, I think diminishes the skill of the problem. | :59:32. | :59:34. | |
If you look at the United N`tions figures as I understand, thdre are | :59:35. | :59:38. | |
about 32 million people across the surface of the globe who are | :59:39. | :59:40. | |
technically under the legal definition refugees. | :59:41. | :59:42. | |
We know it is a big problem but our time is up. | :59:43. | :59:45. | |
And we know they're human bdings as | :59:46. | :59:47. | |
With news of what has happened in the last week in | :59:48. | :59:57. | |
Karen Smith has become the second Bristol Labour MP | :59:58. | :00:00. | |
She had criticised Jeremy Corbyn but following his | :00:01. | :00:04. | |
Plans by two of Somerset to merge are facing a legal challengd. | :00:05. | :00:09. | |
councillors believe that residents have not been properly | :00:10. | :00:12. | |
consulted or the link with West Somerset. | :00:13. | :00:14. | |
There is a clear common law requirement | :00:15. | :00:16. | |
And duty that the consultathon is to occur on | :00:17. | :00:18. | |
Yet another big infrastructure projects | :00:19. | :00:20. | |
The cost of a Bristol 's new Metro bus transport | :00:21. | :00:24. | |
system scheme has risen by over ?12 million | :00:25. | :00:25. | |
and two councillors from the | :00:26. | :00:27. | |
West have been named as amongst the best. | :00:28. | :00:29. | |
Dean and Jo Roundell Greene of South Somerset are finalhsts in | :00:30. | :00:33. | |
I feel very humbled by the whole thing | :00:34. | :00:36. | |
that somebody, I don't know who has nominated me for this award. | :00:37. | :00:39. | |
The Sunday politics continues with Andrew Neil. | :00:40. | :00:44. | |
If you want to get in touch with your | :00:45. | :00:46. | |
comments and stories, we are all still it did hear | :00:47. | :00:55. | |
Barely more than a week now until polling day, | :00:56. | :01:00. | |
and a new revelation rocks the US Presidential election campaign. | :01:01. | :01:10. | |
If it wasn't bizarre enough, it just got more bizarre. | :01:11. | :01:13. | |
The FBI have reopened their investigation into Hillary Clinton's | :01:14. | :01:15. | |
use of private email servers whilst she was Secretary | :01:16. | :01:17. | |
of State, after the discovery of further emails. | :01:18. | :01:25. | |
Though not on her laptop or even the State Department. | :01:26. | :01:30. | |
Donald Trump is saying that it's bigger than Watergate - | :01:31. | :01:33. | |
so could it swing the election in his favour? | :01:34. | :01:35. | |
We spoke to top US pollster, Frank Luntz. | :01:36. | :01:37. | |
The FBI investigation is happening so late in the election process | :01:38. | :01:41. | |
that it would be very difficult to derail a Clinton victory. | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
That said, if there is one thing that could keep Hillary Clinton | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
from the presidency, it's an FBI investigation. | :01:49. | :01:53. | |
But there's still only four states that really matter, Florida, Ohio, | :01:54. | :01:56. | |
Right now, Clinton has beyond the margin of error leads | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
This would have to have a truly significant impact for the election | :02:02. | :02:08. | |
There is a point about a week ago when I was prepared to say that | :02:09. | :02:15. | |
Clinton had a 95% chance of winning this election. | :02:16. | :02:21. | |
Based on what has happened in the last 48 hours, | :02:22. | :02:27. | |
It is still very likely, but I wouldn't bet on it. | :02:28. | :02:32. | |
I thought the 2000 election would be the best election of my lifetime, | :02:33. | :02:35. | |
And then I thought 2008 would be amazing, because we had two | :02:36. | :02:40. | |
challenger candidates and the first African-American President. | :02:41. | :02:43. | |
It is ugly, it's painful, it is as negative as anything | :02:44. | :02:52. | |
The public is angry, the country, overall, is frustrated. | :02:53. | :02:58. | |
But for entertainment value, these candidates probably should | :02:59. | :03:05. | |
have charged us money, because it's better than any movie | :03:06. | :03:08. | |
at ever seen, it's better than any TV show. | :03:09. | :03:11. | |
That was Frank Luntz. He may be right or wrong about Mrs Clinton | :03:12. | :03:22. | |
still having an 80% chance of winning. I would bet on an 80% | :03:23. | :03:31. | |
chance? Yes, absolutely. I spoke to a high-profile American pollster and | :03:32. | :03:35. | |
strategist last night and he took a rather different view to Frank | :03:36. | :03:40. | |
Luntz. He thought, and I think some other high-profile commentators | :03:41. | :03:43. | |
agree, that this is actually much more serious than some people | :03:44. | :03:48. | |
realise. There are an awful lot of undecided voters out there looking | :03:49. | :03:53. | |
for an excuse to vote Trump. They do not like what they see in either | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
candidate. But because this FBI probe is not going to conclude | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
before the election, the question, the doubt over Hillary Clinton, | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
gives them an excuse to back Trump. The thing that will play on the | :04:08. | :04:12. | |
minds of the voters is, could the 100 day honeymoon turning to the 100 | :04:13. | :04:16. | |
day divorce? Which even be impeached? It may give some people | :04:17. | :04:22. | |
an excuse not to vote for Mrs Clinton. It could provide a problem | :04:23. | :04:26. | |
in terms of energising her base The battle ground almost matters more | :04:27. | :04:34. | |
than the polls. Florida and Pennsylvania have been trending to | :04:35. | :04:40. | |
Mrs Clinton. Mr Trump needs to win both. He does not get in without | :04:41. | :04:46. | |
both. He needs both. Just coming up in the latest BBC News, the | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
Washington Post tracking poll, Mrs Clinton is now only one point ahead | :04:52. | :04:58. | |
in the national poll. One point Even given my caveat that the state | :04:59. | :05:02. | |
battles are most important. That is incredibly close? It is. Polls | :05:03. | :05:08. | |
yesterday showed Trump nationally closing of. -- up. There is a clear | :05:09. | :05:16. | |
trend and movement. This has reinforced everything that people | :05:17. | :05:19. | |
who have a problem with Hillary Clinton know about Hillary Clinton. | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
Trump is running this insurgent campaign. We have seen at here with | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
Brexit. If you are running an insurgent campaign, you want to be | :05:30. | :05:32. | |
against the ultimate establishment insider and that is what Hillary | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
Clinton is. I suggested it was bizarre. Fathoming the behaviour of | :05:37. | :05:42. | |
the FBI is interesting as well. This is a separate investigation into a | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
former congressman, Anthony Wiener, who had done all sorts of things. He | :05:47. | :05:51. | |
seemed to be sex text thing a minor. A 15-year-old girl. The FBI | :05:52. | :05:59. | |
investigate. They get his laptop to see what else he has been too. In | :06:00. | :06:06. | |
the course of that, his wife, now separated, the closest adviser to | :06:07. | :06:10. | |
Hillary Clinton, they find on the laptop e-mails involving the Clinton | :06:11. | :06:20. | |
server to her. And yet the FBI cannot, it needs now a separate | :06:21. | :06:26. | |
warrant to access these e-mails It hasn't got that yet. It has got a | :06:27. | :06:29. | |
warrant to do the congressman e-mails. On the basis of not knowing | :06:30. | :06:37. | |
the content, this has happened. Yeah. Who knows? He is a Republican, | :06:38. | :06:44. | |
this guy. Earlier this year he was being praised to the hilt by | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
Democrats. Absolutely. The timing is a nightmare for her. You described | :06:49. | :06:53. | |
the whole sequence. There is nothing definitive to doubt in this | :06:54. | :06:59. | |
sequence. All he is saying is he has discovered more e-mails in effect. | :07:00. | :07:05. | |
They are from the congressman's former wife. On Anthony Wiener's | :07:06. | :07:12. | |
laptop, which apparently she used sometimes. But what that shows is | :07:13. | :07:19. | |
that for all the scrutiny of modern politicians, they cannot escape | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
caricature. And as Tim was just saying, her weakness is perceived to | :07:25. | :07:29. | |
be secretive, elitism and complacency about that elitism. And | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
so just the announcement of a reopening of the investigation so | :07:34. | :07:39. | |
fuels that caricature, you have just revealed a poll giving her a 1% | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
lead. That must be related to what has happened. It is without a shred | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
of evidence that she has done anything wrong. You can see how | :07:49. | :07:54. | |
because people only see things encourage kids, that is deadly | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
serious. -- in caricature. An American friend of mine said we have | :08:00. | :08:04. | |
got our October surprise but we don't know what it is. The FBI must | :08:05. | :08:11. | |
surely come under massive pressure. It did its -- it did this against | :08:12. | :08:18. | |
the Justice Department. The difficulty the FBI had was that this | :08:19. | :08:21. | |
information, for what it's worth, it came to them. Were they not to have | :08:22. | :08:26. | |
said something and it worked to have come out later, they would have been | :08:27. | :08:30. | |
accused of a massive cover-up. They are dammed if they do, dammed if | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
they don't. There is still time for another surprise. And early November | :08:36. | :08:39. | |
surprise. Who knows if there might still be something that comes out on | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
Donald Trump? This is the first election where I can remember we | :08:45. | :08:48. | |
have had two October surprises already. There are is stuff about | :08:49. | :08:54. | |
tapes knocking around about Donald Trump saying racist things. The | :08:55. | :08:58. | |
Clintons have got a lot of friends. It would be a big surprise if we did | :08:59. | :09:02. | |
not see anything else in the next few days. | :09:03. | :09:04. | |
Just when you think it could not get more interesting, it has. There has | :09:05. | :09:11. | |
been plenty in the papers lately about the Ukip leadership saying | :09:12. | :09:12. | |
unpleasant things about each other. But what about Mr Farage himself? | :09:13. | :09:15. | |
What's he up to? Well, on BBC Two tonight we may | :09:16. | :09:17. | |
find out the answer. Well, I'm led to believe | :09:18. | :09:20. | |
she's very experienced. But I don't think Strictly Come | :09:21. | :09:27. | |
Dancing is for me. That is, unless, of course, | :09:28. | :09:29. | |
you fancy popping a cheeky zero No, I don't think Strictly | :09:30. | :09:35. | |
Come Dancing is for me. Well, you tell Mr Balls he has just | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
lost your programme one viewer. I might have nothing to do these | :09:40. | :09:45. | |
days but, realistically, Well, that wasn't Nigel Farage. It | :09:46. | :10:07. | |
is a BBC comedy on tonight. Nigel Farage gets his life back. A number | :10:08. | :10:13. | |
of runners and riders. Let's come straight down to it. Who would be | :10:14. | :10:18. | |
the next leader of Ukip? Probably Paul Nuttall. He is the favourite. | :10:19. | :10:23. | |
The one who has the backing, not very enthusiastic backing, is Rahim | :10:24. | :10:28. | |
Cassandra. And also Aaron Banks a big donor. The best of a rather weak | :10:29. | :10:39. | |
lot. I think Paul Nuttall should squeak through. I interviewed all | :10:40. | :10:50. | |
three of them this week. Mr Cassandra is a lively character and | :10:51. | :10:53. | |
he knows how to make a few headlines. With a bit of money | :10:54. | :10:57. | |
behind him, anything is possible. This is a guy who has been to the | :10:58. | :11:01. | |
States, who has literally studied what Trump has done. Pees on | :11:02. | :11:12. | |
secondment for the time being. The guy who is his line manager is one | :11:13. | :11:19. | |
of Donald Trump's campaign stop He is extraordinarily right-wing. I am | :11:20. | :11:21. | |
told he kept a picture of Enoch Powell by his bed. Barry Goldwater | :11:22. | :11:30. | |
is one of his heroes, for example. There are other candidates. I would | :11:31. | :11:37. | |
suggest, put out as a hypothesis, Paul Nuttall is Labour's worst | :11:38. | :11:43. | |
nightmare. They are more vulnerable in the North. Paul Nuttall is from | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
Merseyside, a working-class background, performs well on | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
television. He is a really good interviewee. He is one of the best | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
around in politics at the moment. However, I think whoever gets it has | :11:58. | :12:01. | |
a massive task. The clip of this Nigel Farage satire partly shows | :12:02. | :12:08. | |
why. His dominance was overwhelming. He, in many ways, did a brilliant | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
job at keeping the show on the road. The trouble for all new political | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
parties is keeping it going is tough. A very different party, the | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
SDP, with all those glamorous figures in it, lasted eight years, | :12:23. | :12:26. | |
something like that. I think they are in real trouble at the moment | :12:27. | :12:30. | |
because of the implosion we have been seeing in front of our eyes and | :12:31. | :12:36. | |
the ideal -- ideological splits Whoever gets it will face a tough | :12:37. | :12:45. | |
tussle. All three of the main contenders want to put Nigel Farage | :12:46. | :12:48. | |
in the House of Lords. They were falling over themselves to soak up | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
two farads. That is how you win this election. | :12:54. | :12:56. | |
Mr Aaron Banks, who is he putting his money on? He said he supports | :12:57. | :13:03. | |
Rahim. I know Mr Banks is utterly fed with the shenanigans in Ukip. He | :13:04. | :13:09. | |
thinks it is terribly disorganised, dysfunctional and doesn't want a | :13:10. | :13:12. | |
great deal to do with it for the foreseeable future. | :13:13. | :13:15. | |
It is not quite Trump the Clinton but it is interesting. That is it. | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
The Daily Politics is back tomorrow. And all of next week. Jo Coburn will | :13:21. | :13:26. | |
be your next Sunday because I am off to the United States to begin to | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
rehearse presenting the BBC's US election night coverage on the th | :13:31. | :13:36. | |
of November. It will be here on BBC One, BBC | :13:37. | :13:37. | |
world, BBC News Channel and BBC online. | :13:38. | :13:39. | |
Remember if it's Sunday, it's the Sunday Politics. | :13:40. | :14:10. | |
A stone stained with blood and beset with a curse. | :14:11. | :14:13. | |
The Moonstone is of inestimable value in India. | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
Its appointed guardians would move heaven and earth to reclaim it | :14:18. | :14:21. | |
Let us not let the past haunt all of our actions. | :14:22. | :14:29. | |
You've got to do something! It's only you that can! | :14:30. | :14:30. | |
He's a scientist, brilliant apparently. | :14:31. | :14:32. |