07/10/2012 Sunday Politics Yorkshire and Lincolnshire

David Cameron tells us that more unemployed people in Yorkshire and

Lincolnshire do -- should be doing the jobs that migrants to. The

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You are watching a The Sunday Politics for Yorkshire and

Lincolnshire. Coming up, David Cameron tells us more unemployed

people in our part of the world should be doing the jobs that

migrants currently do. We will be asking whether

independent candidates are being priced out of the race to become

police commissioners. Let's meet our guests, Rachel Reeves, Labour's

Shadow Chief Secretary to the Secretary and the MP for Leeds West.

Martin Vickers is the Conservative MP for Cleethorpes. Martin Vickers,

your conference is getting under way later today. What you say this

is the most difficult conference you have faced for many a year?

have heard commentators say that in many years. There are always

challengers when you are in government. We all know the

difficulties of round-the-world, not just in the UK. It is tough and

the governor taking difficult decisions but I am reasonably

confident that there will be some positive news coming out of the

conference. Rachel Reeves, most commentators say that Labour have

the political advantage but do you expect it so -- to take a double-

digit lead into the next election? Poll leads don't mean as much as

election results. We have had a good conference in Manchester last

week, a superbug speech from Ed Miliband, setting out his vision

for One nation, very different from the Conservative visually, dividing

north and south, public and private sector, so we have had a good week

but we are taking nothing for granted. The Prime Minister has

told The Sunday Politics in Yorkshire and Lincolnshire but he

wants to see more unemployed people doing the jobs that are currently

done by migrant workers. David Cameron's comments come in a week

when a report called for more to be done to deal with the impact of

migration on the Lincolnshire town of Boston.

This week's report on migration in Boston made 28 recommendations on

how the town could better deal with a growing population. To drinking

in the streets and just generally they are spoiling the town. You see

the European people making a difference and they are bringing

something to the town. Many feel the government could do more.

Do you think there is an argument for more government help and -- on

migration in places like Lincolnshire? There has been a

long-standing tradition of people coming from places like Eastern

Europe. But we have people being unemployed for long periods of time

and what can we help to do them -- get them the training to do those

sorts of jobs? I am in favour of having a country where we welcome

people but it is ridiculous that we have so many people coming in when

we have so many people at home unable to work. Many of your MPs in

Yorkshire and Lincolnshire will argue that we can't fully control

migration as long as we are part of the UK. Do you think it is time for

that referendum? -- part of the European Union. We have put a cap

on immigration from outside the European Union. The answer inside

the European Union is to reform our welfare system. If we have a

welfare system that encourages people to work instead of state-

owned there will be more British people believe those jobs so less

people will come here to do those jobs. We are a trading nation and

we need those markets open. I think there will be opportunities for a

fresh settlement with Europe or as the eurozone deepens its

consolidation. The PM claims more jobs are being created in Yorkshire

and Lincolnshire and talked of -- talked down discussions of a North-

South divide. We have seen private sector jobs created at a difficult

time for the economy. If you look at the decisions we are taking,

electrified train lines are leading up to Yorkshire and we are

investing in the North of England. You can see the government putting

its money where its mouth is. But some say David Cameron still

has a lot of work to do to convince voters he leads and Northern

friendly party. Should be taken seriously when he

says he wants to get more British people to do the jobs that migrants

currently do? Yes, that would be desirable. I have been going around

Jobcentres in my constituents -- constituency. They are doing a

grand job getting youngsters into work. But I recognise that there

are significant problems, particularly further south in the

Boston area. Rachel Rees, Ed Miliband said in the past few days

that Labour had underestimated people's concerns about immigration

in the past. Of what lessons has your party learnt? He said this

week and he has said previously that we should not have opened the

borders so quickly to some eastern European countries but something we

could do now is ensure that employment standards are properly

enforced. Many migrant workers are not paid the minimum wage, many

don't get the employment standards that British workers get. If we end

forced those rules, there would not be the same incentives for some

firms to hire workers from Eastern Europe and beyond. Four we also

need to make sure that no employment agencies are allowed to

howff foreign workers on their books. The main reason that one in

five young people are out-of-work is that the economy is back in

recession and the most important thing the government could do to

get people back to work is to have a policy and a plan for jobs and

growth to get the economy moving. That is what we are lacking and

that is why unemployment has gone up under this government. Of do you

think a plan for jobs and growth is lacking? Definitely not. You only

have to look at the initiatives the government has taken in my

constituency and the immediate area. We have had the Humber Bridge toll

reduction, which was highlighted earlier this week how that has been

a great boost to the economy. We have two enterprise zones in my

constituency. We have the regional growth funds coming in. With

respect, none of it is working. The economy is in the longest double-

dip recession since the Second World War, unemployment in

Yorkshire continues to rise and one-in-five of young people are out

of work. The government clearly do not have that plans for jobs and

growth. You can say it is all about Europe and the problems there but

apart from Italy we are the only other major industrialised economy

that has gone back into recession. The government have to take some

responsibility and until they come up with a proper plan to get people

back to work we will continue to see the economy flat lining and too

many people out of work. The government will end up Byron Moore

because if you have more people claiming benefits and fewer

businesses succeeding you have to borrow more, at that is why the

deficit is increasing. A do you think your party is too fixated on

Europe? Most definitely not. It is a big issue on the streets. I have

always been a Euro-sceptic, I voted this time last year for having an

end out a referendum. I would like to see the government put forward a

clear referendum -- clear timetable for a referendum. I don't think the

British people have had a chance to vote for it. I think they have

noted the comments at the Labour conference this week opposing a

referendum. People want a referendum on the European Union,

don't they? I think what most people want in our region is more

jobs. That is the absolute priority right now, especially when we have

so many young people out of work. That is the number one thing the

government should be doing. There might be a case in the future for a

referendum if there are further treaty changes but at the moment

what the government should focus on is getting the economy out of

recession, getting the economy moving and reducing the deficit.

let's move on to another big talking point. You have 12 days

left if you fancy joining the race to change the way crime is tackled

in your area. However, there are claims today but the police and

crime commissioner elections next month are skewed in favour of

candidates standing for the main political parties. At the job comes

with a �75,000 a year salary in most places but one independent

candidate has already dropped out because she says she can't afford

to stand. The idea of Police Commissioner's

perhaps takes a bit more from US TV spot -- shows rather than our old

classics. It is the biggest change in our police regeneration and it

comes with a big salary but rather than a job interview we will be

picking who get said. Will we get the best person added -- and is it

fair on those standing from outside mainstream politics? If you don't

have the backing of the party that is prepared to put up by money, you

really start with the big stumbling block. For an independent to get

started, they have to spend a lot of money. The government encouraged

non-party candidates to put themselves forward but they have

created an obstacle course for them. A every candidate has to stump up

�5,000 as a deposit, 10 times what parliamentary candidates have to

pay. The government had said there will be no Friell -- No three

campaigning and activists can't rely on an army of activists. -- No

three campaigning. Party candidates have the backing. At the

independence are really on the Rhone and if they want to knock on

all of these doors there will be some sore knuckles. -- the

Independents are really on their own. The first hurdle for this

candidate is whether people even know about the election.

How have you heard about it? really. A were for people paid,

they will have to combine big budget conditions like -- with

everyday crime. -- whoever people pick. We don't have F -- hundreds

of activists who can knock on doors. The independence have to raid the

back of the sofa, don't they? -- independents. Yes, the political

party can does have a massive advantage over the Independents.

May have been might be a shaking hands but one candidate from South

Yorkshire will be staying at home. -- Mervyn. She says she can't

afford it. Our I don't want to be a whinger because at the end of the

day political parties are there because people support them and

believe in them but if this really is about being accountable then I

think it was a mistake to set the bar so high financially. We mustn't

forget that non-party and independent candidates are trying

to work out to -- to reach out to as many as 1 million voters and the

government have made it very difficult for them to do that. At a

Home Office says leaflets for everybody would cost over �30

million. -- the Home Office. This election might not be as action-

packed as Z-Cars but there is work to be done making people actually

vote. You can find details of the

candidates standing in your part of the world on the BBC politics

website. Nominations close on a October 19th. At the government

said it wanted strong, independent standards standing in the selection,

but do you feel they are being priced out? -- this election.

certainly in Humberside and Lincolnshire Independents are

coming forward. You don't want too many runners and riders. If you are

person of substance you will get out there and find one or two

backers. The idea that the local Conservative Party in Cleethorpes

and elsewhere are supported by at which businesses is a nonsense. We

have a few hundred individuals who are members paying their �20 a year.

That is how we finance operations and it is a challenge. You're don't

think it is a rich man's game? -- you don't. They definitely not.

Labour are putting the full force of their machine behind their

candidates. Do you think that is to the detriment of other candidates?

It will be cold and wet and most people don't know where these

elections are taking place. That is a shame because it is an important

job and we need to make sure that turnout is as high as possible so

that whoever gets the job has the confidence of the people they are

supposed to serve. The government are not having the Freepost leaflet

that makes it very hard for independent candidates. If the

government wants to make this work, they have to make sure that

independent candidates have that chance to get a message across to

voters. Or so they need to make sure that everybody knows about

these elections. -- or Si they need. A cold, wet, rainy-day in November

is not the right time. Do you think that was a mistake, not allowing

free mail? Not really. I except the fact that it is even more

challenging for an independent but it is hard enough from -- a big

party. There are et -- alternative metals -- methods, websites and the

likes. Out on the streets on Cleethorpes I found quite a

significant awareness of the elections that are taking place.

we will see what happens on November 15th, if -- but I think

turn up will be very low. Electoral Reform Society has

predicted it could be the lowest turnout ever. How do you enthuse

Labour voters to come out and vote? I am really pleased in West

Yorkshire, the Labour candidate is getting out and about. He has been

to mind constituency -- my constituency and he is coming back

to do more campaigning. When people meet him and talk about his vision

for the police in West Yorkshire, people say, I am going to come out

and vote for you. But the reality is, when we knock on doors, people

say, I had no idea that these elections were taking place.

Without the Freepost leaflet, without the Government getting

behind these elections in the way they should, I fear that the

Electoral Reform Society will be right and turn up will be very low.

Do you think it could be the lowest turnout in history? It will not be

a massive turnout. We don't have more than 25 % or 30 % in many

local council elections but certainly in Humberside the fact

that we have a high-profile candidate in John Prescott has

lifted the profile in our area and I am reasonably confident, it we

are working hard and our candidate is doing a grand job and I don't

think it will be as bad as the doomsayers claim. We will see

plenty more on those elections in the coming weeks.

Now the political news in our part of the world in 60 seconds.

Police Commissioner candidates from across England and Wales descended

on Downing Street to demand a better financial deal for Wirral

forces. They were led by the Lincolnshire based independent

David balls. It is the lowest funded force in the entire country

but it crime rates are not the lowest. See South Yorkshire is

facing the closure of four fire stations and with more cuts coming

next year the chief fire officer says it could mean 150 job losses

and closure of seven more stations. The use cuts will reduce the

resources we can provide and that will extend the time taken faster

or Rod -- to ride at an incident. - - these cuts. Were asked

Yorkshire's Chief Constable Sir Norman Bettison will reside --

retire early. -- West Yorkshire. He is the subject of an end -- an

official investigation regarding his role in the Hillsborough

disaster. To Hillsborough families have

welcomed his decision to retire. What do you say? Be it is the right

thing to do. After the relic -- the revelations we have seen over by

last couple of weeks about Hillsborough and what happened to

and his role in what happened, it is the right thing for him to stand

down and to have new leadership in West Yorkshire, especially at a

time when police forces are facing cuts. We need leadership at the top

and I don't think Sir Norman can provide that in this environment.

To do you think he should have waited until after the IPCC

investigation? To be honest, the remarks that he made straight after

the Hillsborough role of -- Hill's report came out showed that he

could not stay in his job. -- Hillsborough or report. Despite the

inquiry totally vindicating be fans, he repeated some of the allegations

about what happened. That was not the right response and I don't

think he could stay in his job so I am pleased he has made his decision

and we have a chance for a fresh start in West Yorkshire Police

because we need that leadership and families across West Yorkshire want

to make sure that our police force is as well lead as it can be,

especially when the force is being cut. Martin because, we heard there

about rural police force funding and fire station closures. --

Martin Vickers. Do you think the public are getting used to

austerity? No nobody wants austerity and nobody wants it to

continue one moment longer than necessary but people do recognise

that times are difficult and they are prepared to give this

government, indeed any government battling against these conditions,

time to put things right. governor needs time to put things

right, Rachel Reeves. Them government said they would

eliminate the deficit during the course of this Parliament. David

Cameron suggested it would be 2020. With the deficit rising, the date

for the end of austerity stretches further and further into the future

and a governor only have themselves to blame. Labour and many

economists warned that if you try to cut too far and too fast you end

up choking off economic growth. With more businesses failing and

more people out of work, you have to borrow more, not less. That is

what the government is facing so we have a triple whammy of high

unemployment, double-dip recession and higher borrowing. It is not

what the people of Yorkshire and Lincolnshire voted for. It is time

for them to change course and put in a strategy for growth in jobs.

Our after Ed Miliband's performance in Manchester last week, do you

feared that people might start seeing him as an alternative Prime

Minister? He clearly got a good write-up from that political

commentators. I am not sure that he said anything that will hit home

with the average household in Cleethorpes. He has come late to

One nation policies, that has been touring policy for 150 years, since

this rave -- since Disraeli was espousing them. People recognise

that the world situation has worsened even since the election

and they know that the government are doing their best and they are

prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt. Ed Miller and's

personal well-lit -- ratings are still not good, are they? -- Ed

Miliband. Politicians are not the most popular of people whatever and

eight -- party they are from. The government are considering regional

paid it would cut the salaries of public sector workers in the north.

Many people are saying that David Cameron has divided his country

rather than bringing us to get there. We are or have to see what