05/05/2013 Sunday Politics Yorkshire and Lincolnshire

in Yorkshire and Lincolnshire - we find out to what extent UKIP's

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success will change the political Sunday politics for Yorkshire,

Lincolnshire and the North Midlands. Coming up before mid-day,

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Europe and immigrationquaz-mac it is clear that people have got fed up

with the lack of jobs and stuff around here. Migrant workers coming

in and all that. UKIPpoz-mac success might not have been replicated

everywhere. UKIP gained 16 seats. It was a significant achievement from a

party who only last week were labelled by Cabinet Minister Ken

Clarke is a collection of clowns. For UK Independence Party, 636. I

therefore declare Nicola Jane Smith to be duly let it for a term of four

family affair and parts of Lincolnshire. John Beaver and his

daughter Jane both won seats on the county council in her case by just

one vote. At one point, I was level with the Conservative member and

they then said if, after four recounts, if it had come out the

same, then it would have been down to a toss of a coin. People are fed

up with the two party system quite honestly. This was quite a big

protest against that. People want something else, change. Successors

well for the ransom family in Boston. Sue and daughters Felicity

and Elizabeth all snatched seats for UKIP. I think people thought it is

time to get people in who will do things. Lincolnshire's dreadful

potholes, people but irritate people on a daily basis. But in letterboxed

and it wasn't potholes which swung the vote for UKIP. It is not hard to

see why, I am not too into the whole politics thing but it is clear

people have got fed up with the lack of jobs and stuff due to foreigners

coming in, migrant workers. I can't blame people coming here if they can

better their lives, I am not racist at all but I think there are too

many in the town. Now the inquest begins for the Conservatives. They

do not have an overall majority. have had a shaky coalition of lots

of partners, it is up to us to talk to various other parties whether in

formally or formally and come to an arrangement whereby sensible

governance can continue. One former Conservative councillor in

Lincolnshire who lost his seat to UKIP has questioned whether David

Cameron is still the right man to lead his party. We have listened to

the people we have canvassed and he should listen to us, we are the

sounding board for the grassroots. He ignores us at his peril. Because

they are the ones putting the cross in the box at the next election.

They were described as clowns by one senior Tory but these elections saw

UKIP have the last laugh. Here at the circus, we are joined

live today by our guests. Fabian Hamilton, Labour MP for Leeds

north-east, also by the Tory Ayling, one of the newly elected UKIP county

councillors -- also by Victoria Ayling and in Westminster is Julian

Smith, the Conservative MP for Skipton and Ripon. David Cameron

called them fruit cakes, Ken Clarke called them clowns, how would you

suck some up -- how would you sum up the success of UKIP? We need to

continue to work to communicate fully because these are genuine

concerns and worries that people have. And the pressure is on people

like me and the Government and every Conservative MP to tell people all

the good work we are doing to reduce immigration which we have done by a

third in the last year, to limit benefits and put controls around how

much money is spent on welfare and what we are doing to create jobs and

we need to do a better job of communicating that message. Were you

surprised by the success of UKIP, Fabian Hamilton? Not really. People

voting UKIP were expressing disaffection with politics and the

lack of hope and a lack of any cohesive policy from the Government

to give them hope that the economy will recover and that people's lives

will get better. It is easy to blame immigration and the ship of the EU

and there are issues there but to think that will solve the problems

is a big mistake. You are a former Conservative, Victoria Ayling, a

parliament candidate in Grimsby but you want your seat for UKIP. Why did

so many Tory voters go to your party? We also had Labour and

Liberal voters. It is because UKIP policies are common sense and what

the people of the whole country, not just in Lincolnshire, are clamouring

for. All the main three parties have homogenised into one unit. That is

completely untrue, Victoria, and I think you know it. You need to have

a choice. Can I have a opportunity to finish, please? People can see

that the cost of living going through the roof while we spend �53

million a day on Europe, the three main parties Conservative, Liberal

and labour all want further integration and do not show any

desire to pull away. They won't mash -- they want mass immigration, the

claim to save they have reduced it by a third by Julian Smith is

incorrect. We stand to have 29 million further Romanians and

Bulgarians coming to this country in January. That is not reducing

immigration. UKIP take issue with your suggestion that you have

reduced immigration. Statistics have shown that has happened and there is

a challenge of how we deal with European Union migration and freedom

of movement but there again, we are looking at how we make sure there

are restrictions on benefits and how do we ensure that anybody coming to

work here as to have worked for a reasonable time before they can

claim benefits. We will be doing much more over the coming months to

show people that hard work is rewarded in this country and that

everybody can contribute as long as they have done the hard yards in

order to claim and get the benefits that they deserve. Fabian Hamilton,

do you understand the depth of unease that people have about mass

immigration? Maybe not in metropolitan Leeds but in places

like Lincolnshire and many towns? Are we talking about membership of

the EU which is what UKIP is talking about and the idea that we will have

millions of bulk Aryans and Romanians arriving next year which

is nonsense. But when workers arrived from other parts of the U

and undercut -- many millions of bulk Aryans and Romanians. This is a

nonsense. Is there an element of scaremongering in UKIP's

campaigning? Now, hard fact. They say we can stop the benefit in

January. You wait. The human rights legislation will ensure there are

cases going ten to the dozen and that is disingenuous. We cannot

actually leave the human rights court without leaving Europe because

in the Lisbon Treaty, that was entrenched and we can only leave

human rights court if we leave Europe completely. David Cameron

signed up to the institution. heard the word referendum mentioned

by Julian Smith, were more that happen? We are the only party to be

committed to that. That is an important distinction which we must

lay out here. The Conservative party has listened to the concerns of

people around the country and will give people the choice. And you

think this is going to solve all the problems? We do not need to

withdraw, we need reform. We need economic stimulation from the

Government. The economy is flatlining and the thing that will

solve problems is stimulating the economy, having economic growth so

we can get people back to work. have heard this from Fabian and

labour before. I am not talking down to you. The economy is healing and I

think we will get into positive situations. Can I bring this back to

the people that you represented, Lincolnshire, Victoria Ayling

because the Tories do not have a majority on the council, will you go

into coalition with the Tories? There has been no leader appointed

and no group meeting as yet. But we are interested in local people and

we know from Nigel Farage, his going around the councils to allow them to

decide on single issues and other issues. It is a democratic way of

working. So you would go into coalition with the Tories? We have

not had a meeting and we would not necessarily go into coalition with

anybody without further discussion and to ensure that it is for the

benefit of the local people only. We are not party animals. UKIP will put

people first. The local elections saw Labour claw back many of the

seats it lost in the dark days of Gordon Brown. It secured a narrow

victory in the contest to elect a Mayor of Doncaster. Here is Len

Tingle. The cat was held here as a stand at

Doncaster racecourse. It took eight hours for Labour to inch past the

winning post. The reason, there were accounts and recounts and more

recounts and second reference votes. Eventually, 60,000 people

voted in Doncaster and labour re-gained the post of Mayor of

Doncaster are just a few hundred votes. With a majority of 639, I

therefore declare that Mrs Jones is elected as Mayor of Doncaster.

though, wasn't it? Yes, but at the end of the day we got there. We we

knew it had been a tough struggle, an incumbent who had been their four

years but we worked together all going forward. It was great. Labour

was embarrassed when Peter Davis four years ago took the Mayor of

Doncaster's post here in labour's heartland. He was outspoken at the

time and since that in his farewell speech, he did not disappoint.

would not miss the council meetings which are horrendous in the extreme

or often than not. I will not indulge in party politics. We have

been defeated and we fought a good campaign. I think we deserved to win

but the voters decided we did not. We will take our time forward and we

will be part of Sheffield city region and local enterprise

partnership because that is where the money will come from into our

borrow to help take it forward. Labour celebrations in Doncaster

stepped up a gear as news came through of further success, the

party had taken county councils of Derbyshire and Notts back from the

Conservatives. An enjoyable day for the red rose at wearers. If rather a

long one. Even critics would admit the

political world would be less colourful without Peter Davis.

Fabian Hamilton, you did well in Doncaster, retaking the me a

position and in Derbyshire -- the position of Mayor of Doncaster. It

will not be enough to win the next general election. These places to

places in places that are not metropolitan district 's where we do

significantly better and the fact is that of all the seats that were

contested on Thursday, 80% of those seats of Conservative MPs in them.

This was not natural territory for Labour. We did pretty well.

would you sum up the election results for you, Julian Smith?

were cracking in North Yorkshire. We had very strong results and I think

we showed that actually, having Conservative MPs working across

North Yorkshire and working closely with our Conservative councillors,

we have delivered �70 million of investment for superfast broadband,

we have been assisting on the Tour de France delivery of 2014, helping

on the local enterprise partnership and building that to help ease the

economy. Labour is looking to exit at next week for the city of York.

Conservative MPs working closely with our Conservative councillors

that are delivering for North Yorkshire. So are Labour now.

story of the election was the demise of what we call the three major

parties. Was it, really?The National party's share of the vote

was down below 20%. -- the national parties. A lack of progress

economically and the problems the country is still facing is

concerning the voters and these are mid-term elections. Look what

happened four years ago, when the Liberals in the party operatives,

people vote Lib Dem. We are here to stay and we offer the policies of

hope and will carry them through. We will be forming Administration is

locally. We are already doing it in Europe and we will do it nationally

and we will carry them through. We are not about spin, we are about

genuine policies to bring the country back up to scratch. The next

general election is just two years away. Can you believe it? What can

these latest election results tell as about the likely outcome?

Professor Colin Mellors, Pro-Vice Chancellor at the University of

York, has been assessing help voters have been seduced by the folk in the

coloured rosettes. # I threw a wish in the well.

Labour look and take some satisfaction with the Mayor of

Doncaster and election. And Notts and Derbyshire, and even in North

Yorkshire, ticking up a handful of seats means they now have a presence

which they need to have a presence in if they are going to win a

general election. The difficulty is with the national poll of around 29%

which is what the estimate is, it is difficult to see how they will get

the lead and generate that which is necessary if they will have an

they can say it is not got any worse and their share of the vote has not

dropped significantly since last year. And that what they do now,

they are likely to be a party of government rather than a party of

protest. The thing is now if UKIP is now a party of protest or if there

really is a new fourth party. It becomes even more difficult for

one party to become an outright winner and secondly it means that

they will shape the policy discussion and since next year has

the European elections coming up, it is pretty likely that UKIP will

still be dominant next year in the elections and therefore those really

are the rehearsals for the 2015 general election.

The thoughts thereof Professor Colin Mellors. Julian Smith, do you accept

it is virtually impossible for the Conservatives to win an overall

majority of the next election? at all. We will be focusing on how

we demonstrate to the British people that the policies we are following,

policies that Labour have opposed, limiting benefits and cutting

immigration, creating the conditions for growth and healing our economy,

not going back to the deficit nightmare they left us with, but

these policies are right for Britain and myself and colleagues will be

working every day to make that case and I am confident that once we have

made that, we will be in a strong position in two years time. Fabian

Hamilton, do you believe voters will see Ed Miliband as a prime

Minister? Yes, I do because they want the Labour Party back. That is

the message I am getting. People are fed up of the politics of division

and despair. The Government sees no hope in the future and we do offer

hope, we collect live as a party, this is about what a Labour Cabinet

and government can do and offer the people of our constituencies. I know

people who want to work but are disabled, people who want to work

but they cannot get a job because the economy is flat. Julian got me

thinking that the economy is doing well as Mike Julian may be thinking

that people are suffering and the cuts to social security benefits are

biting deep for people who need that Social Security, and that safety net

and finding that it has been taken away. People left to starve because

he could not make an appointment because he was in hospital and they

said they were cutting his benefit. That is not fair. Is that fair?

is not the most ringing endorsement of his leader by Fabian Hamilton. To

make sure we are in the side of people getting up and working hard,

that those people are struggling, we help them. And that we keep mortgage

rates low, keep the cost of living low and we help grow the economy and

those growth predictions are beginning to take pace and I am

confident... Ed Miliband will leaders into an election victory and

will make an excellent prime minister but this is not just about

him, it is about what this party can offer in terms of values it puts to

the British people and the policies that spring to our philosophy.

have opposed our immigration and welfare reforms, what are you

actually standing for, Fabian? It is not clear. For a fairer and more

just society. Can I come in here, please? The two big parties trying

to slag each other than score political points. They are the

same. Further integration with Europe, one in five people are

having to borrow to eat but yet they are still happy to spend �53 million

a day on Europe. That is just one issue. Not one of them are coming up

with any common-sense policies. The only party that will do is UKIP.

know what you are against, when will we see some positive policies?

health and taxation, we have a complete and full manifesto, not

just about Europe will stop with the chance to carry it through otherwise

we will get more of the same. There is no difference between liberal,

Labour and Conservative policies. That is complete nonsense. And why

were you not opposed to our nuclear deterrent? Nuclear weapons money

spent, why do we have those, why are we not spending that money on the

people that need it and regenerating our economy? I am sorry but... Our

manifesto is to get the country back up to scratch. How will you do it,

leave the EU, is that the only and, that is we ever hear? Stop the

opendoor immigration. Immigration has been going down for years.

it is your party that caused the huge amount of debt we are in now.

You would have let the banks fail? And that millions of people lose

their money? Squandering money and put this. Like the health service

and the education? The disingenuous policy of... Julian Smith, do you

accept that people are fed up with the political establishment, whether

it is you, Labour or the Lib Dems? We must all work flat out mail to

make sure we convince people of the importance of politics and the

importance of the changes that the Government is making. The 2010

intake of Conservative MPs are some of the brightest, most interesting