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Morning, folks. Welcome to the Sunday Politics. Hope you enjoyed | :00:37. | :00:41. | |
the extra hour in bed, and that you've realised it's not 12:45. It's | :00:42. | :00:46. | |
11:45! It's getting stormy outside. But they're already battening down | :00:47. | :00:49. | |
the hatches at Number Ten because coalition splits are back, with | :00:50. | :00:51. | |
bust-ups over free schools and power bills. We'll speak to the Lib Dems, | :00:52. | :00:57. | |
and ask Labour who's conning whom over energy. | :00:58. | :01:01. | |
EU leaders have been meeting in Brussels. But how's David Cameron | :01:02. | :01:04. | |
getting on with that plan to change our relationship with Europe? We | :01:05. | :01:14. | |
were there to ask him. Have we got any powers back yet? DS! | :01:15. | :01:18. | |
Foreign companies own everything from our energy companies to our | :01:19. | :01:19. | |
railways. Does it matter who investment in buses not keeping | :01:20. | :01:44. | |
pace? And with me, three journalists | :01:45. | :01:46. | |
who've bravely agreed to hunker down in the studio while Britain braces | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
itself for massive storm winds, tweeting their political forecasts | :01:50. | :01:52. | |
with all the accuracy of Michael Fish on hurricane watch. Helen | :01:53. | :02:00. | |
Lewis, Janan Ganesh and Nick Watt. Now, sometimes coalition splits are | :02:01. | :02:02. | |
over-egged, or dare we say even occasionally stage-managed. But this | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
week, we've seen what looks like the genuine article. It turns out Nick | :02:08. | :02:10. | |
Clegg has his doubts about the coalition's flagship free schools | :02:11. | :02:14. | |
policy. David Cameron doesn't much like the green levies on our energy | :02:15. | :02:17. | |
bills championed by the Lib Dems. Neither of them seems to have | :02:18. | :02:20. | |
bothered to tell the other that they had their doubts. Who better to | :02:21. | :02:25. | |
discuss these flare-ups than Lib Dem Deputy Leader Simon Hughes? He joins | :02:26. | :02:35. | |
me now. Welcome. Good morning. The Lib Dems spent three years of | :02:36. | :02:39. | |
sticking up for the coalition when times were grim. Explain to me the | :02:40. | :02:43. | |
logic of splitting from them when times look better. We will stick | :02:44. | :02:49. | |
with it for five years. It is working arrangement, but not | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
surprisingly, where there right areas on which we disagree over | :02:54. | :02:57. | |
where to go next, we will stand up. It is going to be hard enough for | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
the Lib Dems to get any credit for the recovery, what ever it is. It | :03:02. | :03:07. | |
will be even harder if you seem to be semidetached and picky. The | :03:08. | :03:10. | |
coalition has led on economic policy, some of which were entirely | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
from our stable. The one you have heard about most often, a Lib Dem | :03:16. | :03:20. | |
initiative, was to take people on blowing comes out of tax. The | :03:21. | :03:25. | |
recovery would not have happened, there would not have been confidence | :03:26. | :03:29. | |
in Britain, had there not been a coalition government with us in it, | :03:30. | :03:34. | |
making sure the same policies produced fair outcomes. We are not | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
going to leave the credit for any growth - and there has been very | :03:39. | :03:43. | |
good news this week. We have played a part in that, and without us, it | :03:44. | :03:48. | |
would not have happened. Does it not underline the trust problem you | :03:49. | :03:52. | |
have? You promised to abolish tuition fees. You oppose nuclear | :03:53. | :03:57. | |
power, now you are cheerleading the first multi-billion pounds | :03:58. | :04:03. | |
investment in nuclear generation. You are dying out on your enthusiasm | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
on green levies, and now they are up for renegotiation. Why should we | :04:09. | :04:12. | |
trust a word you say? In relation to green levies, as you well know, just | :04:13. | :04:20. | |
under 10% is to do with helping energy and helping people. Unless | :04:21. | :04:28. | |
there is continuing investment in renewables, we will not have the | :04:29. | :04:31. | |
British produced energy at cheaper cost to keep those bills down in the | :04:32. | :04:37. | |
future. At cheaper cost? Explain that to me. Off-shore energy is | :04:38. | :04:46. | |
twice the market rate. The costs of renewables will increasingly come | :04:47. | :04:50. | |
down. We have fantastic capacity to produce the energy and deliver lots | :04:51. | :04:55. | |
of jobs in the process. The parts of the energy bill that may be up for | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
renegotiation seems to be the part where we subsidise to help either | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
poor people pay less, or where we do other things. Too insulated the | :05:05. | :05:11. | |
homes? Are you up to putting that to general taxation? Wouldn't that be | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
progressive? I would. It would be progressive. I would like to do for | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
energy bills what the Chancellor has done for road traffic users, | :05:21. | :05:24. | |
drivers, which is too fuelled motor fuel -- to freeze new to fall. That | :05:25. | :05:31. | |
would mean there would be an immediate relief this year, not | :05:32. | :05:35. | |
waiting for the election. So there is a deal to be done there? Yes We | :05:36. | :05:40. | |
understand we have to take the burden off the consumer, and also | :05:41. | :05:44. | |
deal with the energy companies, who look as if they are not paying all | :05:45. | :05:48. | |
the tax they should be, and the regulator, which doesn't regulate | :05:49. | :05:51. | |
quickly enough to deal with the issues coming down the track. We can | :05:52. | :05:56. | |
toughen the regulator, and I hope that the Chancellor, in the Autumn | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
statement, was signalled that energy companies will not be allowed to get | :06:01. | :06:04. | |
away with not paying the taxes they should. And this deal will allow | :06:05. | :06:11. | |
energy prices to come down? Yes How could David Laws, one of your | :06:12. | :06:16. | |
ministers, proudly defend the record of unqualified teachers working in | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
free schools, and then stand side-by-side with Mr Clegg, as he | :06:22. | :06:26. | |
says he is against them? David Laws was not proudly defending the fact | :06:27. | :06:30. | |
that it is unqualified teachers He said that some of the new, | :06:31. | :06:35. | |
unqualified teachers in free schools are doing a superb job. But you want | :06:36. | :06:42. | |
to get rid of them? We want to make sure that everybody coming into a | :06:43. | :06:45. | |
free school ends up being qualified. Ends up? Goes through a process that | :06:46. | :06:52. | |
means they have qualifications. Just as we said very clearly at the last | :06:53. | :06:55. | |
election that the manifesto curriculum in free schools should be | :06:56. | :07:01. | |
the same as other schools. It looks like Mr Clegg is picking a fight | :07:02. | :07:07. | |
just for the sake of it. Mr Clegg was taught by people who didn't have | :07:08. | :07:11. | |
teaching qualifications in one of the greatest schools in the land, if | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
not the world. It didn't seem to do him any harm. What is the problem? | :07:16. | :07:21. | |
If you pay to go to a school, you know what you're getting. But that | :07:22. | :07:28. | |
is what a free school is. No, you don't pay fees. A free school is | :07:29. | :07:32. | |
parents taking the decisions, not you, the politicians. We believe | :07:33. | :07:36. | |
they would expect to guarantee is, firstly that the minimum curriculum | :07:37. | :07:40. | |
taught across the country is taught in the free schools, and secondly, | :07:41. | :07:45. | |
that the teachers there are qualified. Someone who send their | :07:46. | :07:48. | |
kids to private schools took a decision to take -- to send their | :07:49. | :07:55. | |
children there, even if the teachers were unqualified, because they are | :07:56. | :08:00. | |
experts in their field. Someone who send their kids to free schools is | :08:01. | :08:06. | |
because -- is their decision, not yours. Because some of the free | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
schools are new, and have never been there before, parents need a | :08:12. | :08:15. | |
guarantee that there are some basics in place, whatever sort of school. | :08:16. | :08:22. | |
So they need you to hold their hand? It is not about holding hands, it is | :08:23. | :08:26. | |
about having a minimum guarantee. Our party made clear at our | :08:27. | :08:30. | |
conference that this is a priority for us. Nick Clegg reflects the view | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
of the party, and I believe it is an entirely rational thing to do. Nick | :08:36. | :08:38. | |
Clegg complained that the Prime Minister gave him only 30 minutes | :08:39. | :08:45. | |
notice on the Prime Minister Buzz 's U-turn on green levies. That is | :08:46. | :08:51. | |
almost as little time as Nick Clegg gave the Prime Minister on his | :08:52. | :08:55. | |
U-turn on free schools. Aren't you supposed to be partners? Green | :08:56. | :09:04. | |
levies were under discussion in the ministerial group before Wednesday, | :09:05. | :09:06. | |
because we identified this as an issue. We do that in a practical | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
way. Sometimes there is only half an hour's notice. We had even less than | :09:12. | :09:18. | |
half an hour this morning! Simon Hughes, thank you. | :09:19. | :09:24. | |
So the price of energy is the big battle ground in politics at the | :09:25. | :09:29. | |
moment. 72% of people say that high bills will influence the way they | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
vote at the next election. Ed Miliband has promised a price freeze | :09:35. | :09:37. | |
after the next election, but will the coalition turned the tables on | :09:38. | :09:44. | |
Labour, with its proposal to roll back green levies. Caroline Flint | :09:45. | :09:53. | |
joins us from Sheffield. It looks like the coalition will be able to | :09:54. | :09:59. | |
take ?50 of energy bills, by removing green levies. It is quite | :10:00. | :10:04. | |
clear that different parts of the government are running round waking | :10:05. | :10:07. | |
up to the fact that the public feel that this government has not done | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
enough to listen to their concerns. Last week, there was a classic case | :10:12. | :10:16. | |
of the Prime Minister making up policy literally at the dispatch | :10:17. | :10:20. | |
box. Let's see what they say in the autumn statement. The truth is, | :10:21. | :10:24. | |
whatever the debate around green levies, and I have always said we | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
should look at value for money at those green levies. Our argument is | :10:30. | :10:47. | |
about acknowledging there is something wrong with the way the | :10:48. | :10:49. | |
market works, and the way those companies are regulated. Behind our | :10:50. | :10:52. | |
freeze for 20 months is a package of proposals to reform this market I | :10:53. | :10:54. | |
understand that, but you cannot tell as the details about that. I can. | :10:55. | :10:57. | |
You cannot give us the details about reforming the market. We are going | :10:58. | :11:00. | |
to do three things, and I think I said this last time I was on the | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
programme. First, we are going to separate out the generation side | :11:05. | :11:07. | |
from the supply side within the big six. Secondly, we will have a energy | :11:08. | :11:15. | |
pool, or power exchange, where all energy will have to be traded in | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
that pool. Thirdly, we will establish a tougher regulator, | :11:21. | :11:23. | |
because Ofgem is increasingly being seen as not doing the job right I | :11:24. | :11:29. | |
notice that you didn't mention any reform of the current green and | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
social taxes on the energy bill Is it Labour's policy to maintain the | :11:35. | :11:40. | |
existing green levies? In 2011, the government chose to get rid of warm | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
front, which was the publicly funded through tracks a scheme to support | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
new installation. When they got rid of that, it was the first time we | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
had a government since the 70s that didn't have such a policy. What is | :11:55. | :12:00. | |
your policy? We voted against that because we believe it is wrong. We | :12:01. | :12:05. | |
believe that the eco-scheme, a government intervention which is ?47 | :12:06. | :12:15. | |
of the ?112 on our bills each year, is expensive, bureaucratic and isn't | :12:16. | :12:18. | |
going to the fuel poor. I am up for a debate on these issues. I am up | :12:19. | :12:22. | |
for a discussion on what the government should do and what these | :12:23. | :12:26. | |
energy companies should do. We cannot let Cameron all the energy | :12:27. | :12:29. | |
companies off the hook from the way in which they organise their | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
businesses, and expect us to pay ever increasing rises in our bills. | :12:34. | :12:39. | |
There is ?112 of green levies on our bills at the moment. Did you vote | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
against any of them? We didn't, but what I would say ease these were | :12:45. | :12:51. | |
government imposed levies. When they got rid of the government funded | :12:52. | :12:56. | |
programme, Warm Front, they introduced the eco-scheme. The | :12:57. | :13:05. | |
eco-project is one of the ones where the energy companies are saying | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
it's too bureaucratic, and it is proving more expensive than | :13:11. | :13:13. | |
government estimates, apparently doubled the amount the government | :13:14. | :13:17. | |
thought. These things are all worth looking at, but don't go to the | :13:18. | :13:23. | |
heart of the issue. According to official figures, on current plans, | :13:24. | :13:32. | |
which you support, which you voted for, households will be paying 1% | :13:33. | :13:37. | |
more per unit of electricity by 2030. It puts your temporary freeze | :13:38. | :13:48. | |
as just a blip. You support a 4 % rise in our bills. I support making | :13:49. | :13:53. | |
sure we secure for the future access to energy that we can grow here in | :13:54. | :13:58. | |
the UK, whether it is through nuclear, wind or solar, or other | :13:59. | :14:04. | |
technologies yet to be developed. We should protect ourselves against | :14:05. | :14:10. | |
energy costs we cannot control. The truth is, it is every fair for you | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
to put that point across, and I accept that, but we need to hear the | :14:16. | :14:19. | |
other side about the cost for bill payers if we didn't invest in new, | :14:20. | :14:24. | |
indigenous sources of energy supply for the future, which, in the long | :14:25. | :14:28. | |
run, will be cheaper and more secure, and create the jobs we | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
need. I think it is important to have a debate about these issues, | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
but they have to be seen in the right context. If we stay stuck in | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
the past, we will pay more and we will not create jobs. How can you | :14:43. | :14:47. | |
criticise the coalition's plans for a new nuclear station, when jeering | :14:48. | :14:53. | |
13 years of a Labour government you did not invest in a single nuclear | :14:54. | :14:58. | |
plant? You sold off all our nuclear technology to foreign companies | :14:59. | :15:08. | |
Energy provision was put out to private hands and there has been no | :15:09. | :15:14. | |
obstacle in British law against ownership outside the UK. Part of | :15:15. | :15:26. | |
this is looking ahead. Because your previous track record is so bad | :15:27. | :15:30. | |
What we did decide under the previous government, we came to the | :15:31. | :15:35. | |
view, and there were discussions in our party about this, that we did | :15:36. | :15:41. | |
need to support a nuclear future. At the time of that, David Cameron | :15:42. | :15:46. | |
was one of those saying that nuclear power should be a last | :15:47. | :15:50. | |
resort. And as you said, the Liberals did not support it. We | :15:51. | :15:55. | |
stood up for that. We set in train the green light of 10 sites, | :15:56. | :16:00. | |
including Hinkley Point, for nuclear development. I am glad to | :16:01. | :16:04. | |
see that is making progress and we should make more progress over the | :16:05. | :16:09. | |
years ahead. We took a tough decision when other governments had | :16:10. | :16:15. | |
not done. You did not build a new nuclear station. When you get back | :16:16. | :16:24. | |
into power, will you build HS2? That has not had a blank cheque | :16:25. | :16:29. | |
from the Labour Party. I am in favour of good infrastructure. Are | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
you in favour of?, answer the question? I have answered the | :16:35. | :16:41. | |
question. It does not have a blank cheque. If the prices are too high, | :16:42. | :16:45. | |
we will review the decision when we come back to vote on it. We will be | :16:46. | :16:50. | |
looking at it closely. We have to look for value for money and how it | :16:51. | :16:55. | |
benefits the country. Have you stocked up on jumpers this winter? | :16:56. | :17:02. | |
I am perfectly all right with my clothing. What is important, it is | :17:03. | :17:07. | |
ridiculous for the Government to suggest that the answer to the loss | :17:08. | :17:11. | |
of trust in the energy companies is to put on another jumper. | :17:12. | :17:22. | |
The coalition has taken a long time to come up with anything that can | :17:23. | :17:28. | |
trump Ed Miliband's simple freezing energy prices, vote for us. Are | :17:29. | :17:34. | |
they on the brink of doing so? I do not think so. They have had a | :17:35. | :17:37. | |
problem that has dominated the debate, talking about GDP, the | :17:38. | :17:42. | |
figures came out on Friday and said, well, and went back to talking | :17:43. | :17:48. | |
about energy. My problem with what David Cameron proposes is he agrees | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
with the analysis that the Big Six make too many profits. He wants to | :17:54. | :17:58. | |
move the green levies into general taxation, so that he looks like he | :17:59. | :18:02. | |
is protecting the profits of the energy companies. If the coalition | :18:03. | :18:08. | |
can say they will take money off the bills, does that change the | :18:09. | :18:15. | |
game? I do not think the Liberal Democrats are an obstacle to | :18:16. | :18:19. | |
unwinding the green levies. I think Nick Clegg is open to doing a deal, | :18:20. | :18:26. | |
but the real obstacle is the carbon reduction targets that we signed up | :18:27. | :18:30. | |
to during the boom years. They were ambitious I thought at the time | :18:31. | :18:35. | |
From that we have the taxes and clocking up of the supply-side of | :18:36. | :18:40. | |
the economy. Unless he will revise that, and build from first | :18:41. | :18:44. | |
principles a new strategy, he cannot do more than put a dent into | :18:45. | :18:50. | |
green levies. He might say as I have got to ?50 now and if you | :18:51. | :18:55. | |
voters in in an overall majority, I will look up what we have done in | :18:56. | :18:59. | |
the better times and give you more. I am sure he will do that. It might | :19:00. | :19:05. | |
be ?50 of the Bill, but it will be ?50 on your general taxation bill, | :19:06. | :19:09. | |
which would be more progressive They will find it. We will never | :19:10. | :19:17. | |
see it in general taxation. The problem for the Coalition on what | :19:18. | :19:23. | |
Ed Miliband has done is that it is five weeks since he made that | :19:24. | :19:26. | |
speech and it is all we are talking about. David Cameron spent those | :19:27. | :19:30. | |
five weeks trying to work out whether Ed Miliband is a Marxist or | :19:31. | :19:34. | |
whether he is connected to Middle Britain. That is why Ed Miliband | :19:35. | :19:38. | |
set the agenda. The coalition are squabbling among themselves, | :19:39. | :19:44. | |
looking petulant, on energy, and on schools. Nobody is taking notice of | :19:45. | :19:51. | |
the fact the economy is under way, the recovery is under way. Ed | :19:52. | :19:56. | |
Miliband has made the weather on this. | :19:57. | :20:03. | |
It UK has a relaxed attitude about selling off assets based -- to | :20:04. | :20:12. | |
companies based abroad. But this week we have seen the Swiss owner | :20:13. | :20:15. | |
of one of Scotland's largest industrial sites, Grangemouth, come | :20:16. | :20:18. | |
within a whisker of closing part of it down. So should we care whether | :20:19. | :20:21. | |
British assets have foreign owners? Britain might be a nation of | :20:22. | :20:24. | |
homeowners, but we appear to have lost our taste for owning some of | :20:25. | :20:29. | |
our biggest businesses. These are among the crown jewels sold off in | :20:30. | :20:32. | |
the past three decades to companies based abroad. Roughly half of | :20:33. | :20:39. | |
Britain's essential services have overseas owners. The airport owner, | :20:40. | :20:41. | |
British Airports Authority, is owned by a Spanish company. | :20:42. | :20:43. | |
Britain's largest water company Thames, is owned by a consortium | :20:44. | :20:47. | |
led by an Australian bank. Four out of six of Britain's biggest energy | :20:48. | :20:50. | |
companies are owned by overseas giants, and one of these, EDF | :20:51. | :20:53. | |
Energy, which is owned by the French state, is building Britain's | :20:54. | :20:56. | |
first nuclear power plant in a generation, backed by Chinese | :20:57. | :21:03. | |
investors. It's a similar story for train operator Arriva, bought by a | :21:04. | :21:08. | |
company owned by the German state. So part of the railways privatised | :21:09. | :21:11. | |
by the British government was effectively re-nationalised by the | :21:12. | :21:19. | |
German government. But does it matter who owns these companies as | :21:20. | :21:23. | |
long as the lights stay on, the trains run on time, and we can | :21:24. | :21:28. | |
still eat Cadbury's Dairy Milk? We are joined by the general | :21:29. | :21:33. | |
secretary of the RMT, Bob Crow, and by venture capitalist Julie Meyer. | :21:34. | :21:40. | |
They go head to head. Have we seen the consequences of | :21:41. | :21:46. | |
relying for essential services to be foreign-owned? Four of the Big | :21:47. | :21:53. | |
Six energy companies, Grangemouth, owned by a tax exile in Switzerland. | :21:54. | :22:00. | |
It is not good. I do not think there is a cause and effect | :22:01. | :22:05. | |
relationship between foreign ownership and consumer prices. That | :22:06. | :22:09. | |
is not the right comparison. We need to be concerned about | :22:10. | :22:13. | |
businesses represented the future, businesses we are good at | :22:14. | :22:17. | |
innovating for example in financial services and the UK has a history | :22:18. | :22:23. | |
of building businesses, such as Monotypes. If we were not creating | :22:24. | :22:34. | |
businesses here -- Monotise. Like so many businesses creating | :22:35. | :22:40. | |
products and services and creating the shareholders. Should we allow | :22:41. | :22:48. | |
hour essential services to be in foreign ownership? It was | :22:49. | :22:53. | |
demonstrated this week at Grangemouth. If you do not own the | :22:54. | :22:59. | |
industry, you do not own it. The MPs of this country and the | :23:00. | :23:03. | |
politicians in Scotland have no say, they were consultants. | :23:04. | :23:06. | |
Multinationals decide whether to shut a company down. If that had | :23:07. | :23:13. | |
been Unite union, they are the ones who saved the jobs. They | :23:14. | :23:19. | |
capitulated. They will come back, like they have for the past 150 | :23:20. | :23:23. | |
years, and capture again what they lost. If it had closed, they would | :23:24. | :23:30. | |
have lost their jobs for ever. If the union had called the members up | :23:31. | :23:34. | |
without a ballot for strike action, there would have been uproar. This | :23:35. | :23:39. | |
person in Switzerland can decide to shut the entire industry down. The | :23:40. | :23:44. | |
coalition, the Labour Party, as well, when Labour was in government, | :23:45. | :23:50. | |
they played a role of allowing industries to go abroad, and it | :23:51. | :23:53. | |
should be returned to public ownership. Nestor. It has | :23:54. | :24:06. | |
demonstrated that the Net comes from new businesses. We must not | :24:07. | :24:14. | |
be... When Daly motion was stopped by the French government to be sold, | :24:15. | :24:20. | |
it was an arrow to the heart of French entrepreneurs. We must not | :24:21. | :24:25. | |
create that culture in the UK. Every train running in France is | :24:26. | :24:29. | |
built in France. 90% of the trains running in Germany are built in | :24:30. | :24:37. | |
Germany. In Japan, it has to be built in that country, and now an | :24:38. | :24:44. | |
energy company in France is reducing its nuclear capability in | :24:45. | :24:48. | |
its own country and wants to make profits out of the British industry | :24:49. | :24:52. | |
to put back into it state industry. That happened with the railway | :24:53. | :24:57. | |
industry. They want to make money at the expense of their own state | :24:58. | :25:03. | |
companies. We sold off energy production. How did we end up in a | :25:04. | :25:10. | |
position where our nuclear capacity will be built by a company owned by | :25:11. | :25:16. | |
a socialist date, France, and funded by a communist one, China, | :25:17. | :25:25. | |
for vital infrastructure? I am not suggesting that is in the national | :25:26. | :25:28. | |
interest. I am saying we can pick any one example and say it is a | :25:29. | :25:33. | |
shame. The simple matter of the fact is the owners are having to | :25:34. | :25:37. | |
make decisions. Not just Grangemouth, businesses are making | :25:38. | :25:41. | |
decisions about what is the common good. Not just in the shareholders' | :25:42. | :25:48. | |
interest. For employees, customers. What is in the common good when | :25:49. | :25:52. | |
prices go up by 10% and the reason is that 20 years ago they shut | :25:53. | :25:57. | |
every coal pit down in this country, the Germans kept theirs open and | :25:58. | :26:02. | |
subsidised it and now we have the Germans doing away with nuclear | :26:03. | :26:08. | |
power and they have coal. Under the Labour government, in 2008, the | :26:09. | :26:14. | |
climate change Act was passed. Well before that, and you know yourself, | :26:15. | :26:19. | |
they shut down the coal mines to smash the National Union of | :26:20. | :26:23. | |
Mineworkers because they dared to stand up for people in their | :26:24. | :26:29. | |
community. Even if we wanted to reopen the coalmines, it would be | :26:30. | :26:33. | |
pointless. Under the 2008 Act, we are not meant to burn more coal | :26:34. | :26:40. | |
The can, as if you spent some of the profits, you could have carbon | :26:41. | :26:47. | |
catch up. That does not exist on a massive scale. You are arguing the | :26:48. | :26:52. | |
case, Julie Meyer, for entrepreneurs to come to this | :26:53. | :26:57. | |
country. Even Bob Crow is not against that. We are trying to | :26:58. | :27:02. | |
argue, should essential services be in foreign hands? Not those in | :27:03. | :27:10. | |
Silicon round about doing start ups. I am trying to draw a broader | :27:11. | :27:16. | |
principle than just energy. Something like broadband services, | :27:17. | :27:20. | |
also important to the functioning of the economy. I believe in the | :27:21. | :27:27. | |
UK's ability to innovate. When we have businesses that play off | :27:28. | :27:32. | |
broadband companies to get the best prices for consumers. These new | :27:33. | :27:36. | |
businesses and business models are the best way. Not to control, but | :27:37. | :27:44. | |
to influence. It will be a disaster. Prices will go up and up as a | :27:45. | :27:49. | |
result. Nissan in Sunderland, a Japanese factory, some of the best | :27:50. | :27:54. | |
cars and productivity. You want that to be nationalised and bring | :27:55. | :27:57. | |
it down to the standard of British Leyland? It is not bring it down to | :27:58. | :28:03. | |
the standard. The car manufacturing base in this country has been | :28:04. | :28:08. | |
wrecked. We make more cars now for 20 years -- than in 20 years. | :28:09. | :28:13. | |
Ford's Dagenham produced some of the best cars in the world. Did you | :28:14. | :28:21. | |
buy one? I cannot drive. They moved their plants to other countries | :28:22. | :28:28. | |
where it was cheaper labour. Would you nationalise Nissan? There | :28:29. | :28:32. | |
should be one car industry that produces cars for people. This week | :28:33. | :28:39. | |
the EU summit was about Angela Merkel's mobile phone being tapped, | :28:40. | :28:46. | |
they call it a handy. We sent Adam to Brussels and told him to ignore | :28:47. | :28:50. | |
the business about phone-tapping and investigate the Prime | :28:51. | :28:52. | |
Minister's policy on Europe instead. I have come to my first EU summit to | :28:53. | :29:08. | |
see how David Cameron is getting on with his strategy to claim power was | :29:09. | :29:12. | |
back from Brussels. Got any powers back yet? Yes! Which ones? Sadly, | :29:13. | :29:22. | |
his fellow leaders were not as forthcoming. Chancellor, are you | :29:23. | :29:26. | |
going to give any powers back to Britain? Has David Cameron asked you | :29:27. | :29:33. | |
for any powers back? The president of the commission just laughed, and | :29:34. | :29:39. | |
listen to the Lithuanian President. How is David Cameron's renegotiation | :29:40. | :29:51. | |
strategy going? What's that? He wants powers back for Britain. No | :29:52. | :29:55. | |
one knows what powers David Cameron actually wants. Even our usual | :29:56. | :30:00. | |
allies, like Sweden, are bit baffled. We actually don't know yet | :30:01. | :30:07. | |
what is going through the UK membership. We will await the | :30:08. | :30:15. | |
finalisation of that first. You should ask him, and then tell us! | :30:16. | :30:21. | |
Here is someone who must know, the Dutch Prime Minister, he is doing | :30:22. | :30:26. | |
what we are doing, carrying out a review of the EU powers, known as | :30:27. | :30:30. | |
competencies in the jargon, before negotiating to get some back. Have | :30:31. | :30:35. | |
you had any negotiations with David Cameron over what powers you can | :30:36. | :30:40. | |
bring back from Brussels? That is not on the agenda of this summit. | :30:41. | :30:47. | |
Have you talked to him about it This is not on the schedule for this | :30:48. | :30:50. | |
summit. David Cameron's advises tummy it is | :30:51. | :31:00. | |
because he is playing the long game. -- David Cameron's advisers tell me. | :31:01. | :31:08. | |
At this summit, there was a task force discussing how to cut EU red | :31:09. | :31:15. | |
tape. Just how long this game is was explained to me outside the summit, | :31:16. | :31:20. | |
by the leader of the Conservatives in the European Parliament. I think | :31:21. | :31:26. | |
the behind-the-scenes negotiations will start happening when the new | :31:27. | :31:29. | |
commissioner is appointed later next year. I think the detailed | :31:30. | :31:35. | |
negotiations will start to happen bubbly after the UK general | :31:36. | :31:39. | |
election. That is when we will start getting all of the detail of the | :31:40. | :31:43. | |
horse trading, and real, Lake night negotiations. Angela Merkel seems | :31:44. | :31:51. | |
keen to rewrite the EU's main treaties to deal with changes in the | :31:52. | :31:56. | |
Eurozone, and that is the mechanism David Cameron would use to | :31:57. | :32:00. | |
renegotiate our membership. Everyone here says his relationship with the | :32:01. | :32:04. | |
German Chancellor is strong. So after days in this building, here is | :32:05. | :32:09. | |
how it looks. David Cameron has a mountain to climb. It is climbable, | :32:10. | :32:14. | |
but he isn't even in the foothills yet. Has he even started packing his | :32:15. | :32:20. | |
bags for the trip? Joining us now, a man who knows a | :32:21. | :32:24. | |
thing or two about the difficulties Prime Minister 's face in Europe. | :32:25. | :32:30. | |
Former Deputy Prime Minister, Michael Heseltine. We are nine | :32:31. | :32:33. | |
months from David Cameron's defining speech on EU renegotiation. Can you | :32:34. | :32:41. | |
think of one area of progress? I don't know. And you don't know. And | :32:42. | :32:47. | |
that's a good thing. Why is it a good thing? Because the real | :32:48. | :32:53. | |
progress goes on behind closed doors. And only the most naive, | :32:54. | :33:04. | |
because the real progress goes on behind closed doors. Because, in | :33:05. | :33:12. | |
this weary world, you and I, Andrew, know full well that the moment you | :33:13. | :33:17. | |
say, I making progress, people say, where? And the machine goes to work | :33:18. | :33:22. | |
to show that the progress isn't enough. So you are much better off | :33:23. | :33:28. | |
making progress as best you can in the privacy of private diplomacy. It | :33:29. | :33:38. | |
is a long journey ahead. In this long journey, do you have a clear | :33:39. | :33:42. | |
sense of the destination? Do you have a clear sense of what powers Mr | :33:43. | :33:48. | |
Cameron wants to negotiate? I have a clear sense of the destination, | :33:49. | :33:52. | |
which is a victory for the campaign that he will win to stay inside the | :33:53. | :33:58. | |
European community. That is the agenda, and I have total support for | :33:59. | :34:07. | |
that. I understand that, but if he is incapable of getting any tangible | :34:08. | :34:13. | |
sign of renegotiation, if he is able only to do what Wilson did in 1975, | :34:14. | :34:19. | |
which was to get a couple of token changes to our membership status, he | :34:20. | :34:24. | |
goes into that referendum without much to argue for. He has everything | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
to argue for. He's got Britain's vital role as a major contributor to | :34:30. | :34:37. | |
the community. He's got Britain's self interest as a major | :34:38. | :34:44. | |
beneficiary, and Britain's vital role in the City of London. He's got | :34:45. | :34:50. | |
argue for that now. He could have a argue for that now. He could have a | :34:51. | :34:55. | |
referendum now. He doesn't want one now. I haven't any doubt that he | :34:56. | :35:02. | |
will come back with something to talk about. But it may be slightly | :35:03. | :35:12. | |
different to what his critics, the UK isolationist party people, want. | :35:13. | :35:18. | |
He may, for example, have found that allies within the community want | :35:19. | :35:23. | |
change as well, and he may secure changes in the way the community | :35:24. | :35:29. | |
works, which would be a significant argument within the referendum | :35:30. | :35:33. | |
campaign. Let me give you an example. I think it is a scandal | :35:34. | :35:38. | |
that the European Commission don't secure the auditing of some of the | :35:39. | :35:44. | |
accounts. Perhaps that could be on the agenda. He might find a lot of | :35:45. | :35:50. | |
contributing countries, like Germany, like Colin and, would be | :35:51. | :35:58. | |
very keen. -- like Holland. David vetoed the increase in the European | :35:59. | :36:03. | |
budgets the other day, and he had a lot of allies. So working within | :36:04. | :36:09. | |
Europe on the things that people paying the European bills want is | :36:10. | :36:14. | |
fertile ground. Is John Major right to call for a windfall tax on the | :36:15. | :36:21. | |
energy companies? John is a very cautious fellow. He doesn't say | :36:22. | :36:25. | |
things without thinking them out. So I was surprised that he went for a | :36:26. | :36:32. | |
windfall tax. First of all, it is retrospective, and secondly, it is | :36:33. | :36:36. | |
difficult to predict what the consequences will be. I am, myself, | :36:37. | :36:42. | |
more interested in the other part of his speech, which was talking about | :36:43. | :36:45. | |
the need for the Conservative Party to seek a wider horizon, to | :36:46. | :36:51. | |
recognise what is happening to the Conservative Party in the way in | :36:52. | :36:55. | |
which its membership is shrinking into a southeastern enclave. Are you | :36:56. | :37:05. | |
in favour of a windfall tax? I am not in favour of increasing any | :37:06. | :37:16. | |
taxes. Do you share Iain Duncan Smith's point of view on welfare | :37:17. | :37:22. | |
reform? I think Iain Duncan Smith is right. It is extremely difficult to | :37:23. | :37:32. | |
do, but he is right to try. I think public opinion is behind him, but it | :37:33. | :37:40. | |
isn't easy, because on the fringe of these issues there are genuine hard | :37:41. | :37:46. | |
luck stories, and they are the ones that become the focus of attention | :37:47. | :37:50. | |
the moment you introduce change. It requires a lot of political skill to | :37:51. | :37:57. | |
negotiate your way through that. But isn't Iain Duncan Smith right to | :37:58. | :38:01. | |
invoke the beverage principle, that you should be expected to make a | :38:02. | :38:05. | |
contribution for the welfare you depend on? Yes, he is. I will let | :38:06. | :38:12. | |
you get your Sunday lunch. Thanks for joining us. | :38:13. | :38:17. | |
Coming up in just over 20 minutes, I will be looking | :38:18. | :38:31. | |
You're watching the Sunday Politics for Yorkshire and Lincolnshire. | :38:32. | :38:37. | |
Coming up today. Is it time to stop milking the motorist? We speak to | :38:38. | :38:41. | |
businesses, market traders and even advocate who say that they are | :38:42. | :38:44. | |
concerned about the growing cost of Sunday and late`night parking. And | :38:45. | :38:51. | |
we will be delving into a row about privatised sexual health services | :38:52. | :38:55. | |
run by none other than Richard Branson's Virgin group. Let's say | :38:56. | :39:01. | |
hello to our guests. Fabian Hamilton is Labour MPs are Leeds north`east | :39:02. | :39:04. | |
and Craig Whittaker is the Conservative MP for the Calder | :39:05. | :39:11. | |
Valley. George Osborne came to Leeds on Friday to tell us that the | :39:12. | :39:14. | |
economy has grown faster than at any time during the past few years. Our | :39:15. | :39:18. | |
labour going to start running out of bullets to fire at the Government? | :39:19. | :39:23. | |
We'll was wanted the economy to grow, it is just a shame that it has | :39:24. | :39:28. | |
taken so long. It is good for everybody. The economy growing is | :39:29. | :39:32. | |
good. GDP figures mean nothing if you cannot afford to pay your gas | :39:33. | :39:38. | |
bill. That is true. But let us not forget we have been in such a mess | :39:39. | :39:41. | |
for so long in this country that it is great to see some results coming | :39:42. | :39:45. | |
through. We will chat more at the moment. `` in a moment. You may have | :39:46. | :39:56. | |
travelled on one of their planes or trains, watched their TV or used | :39:57. | :39:59. | |
their broadband. But did you now that part of Richard Branson's | :40:00. | :40:02. | |
Virgin empire is responsible for running sexual health services in | :40:03. | :40:05. | |
parts of our area? The awarding of the contract in Northern | :40:06. | :40:07. | |
Lincolnshire has been controversial, with unions claiming that public | :40:08. | :40:11. | |
health has been put at risk by a series of problems ` a claim denied | :40:12. | :40:14. | |
by Virgin Care. Vicky Johnson has the story. Unsafe sex served up as | :40:15. | :40:24. | |
entertainment on BBC Three. But most people agree that first time the | :40:25. | :40:29. | |
enter our sexual health clinic it is more embarrassing than entertaining. | :40:30. | :40:35. | |
In April, Virgin Care took over the service from the NHS across North | :40:36. | :40:41. | |
Lincolnshire. They set up clinics in Scunthorpe and Grimsby at the | :40:42. | :40:45. | |
transfer has not gone entirely smoothly according to this man, we | :40:46. | :40:50. | |
have changed his voice to preserve his anonymity. The staff work on | :40:51. | :40:55. | |
their opinion rather than your files. It is impossible. They do not | :40:56. | :41:00. | |
get your readings back in a few went to the GP and he did not have the | :41:01. | :41:03. | |
file, you would think there was something wrong with him, wouldn't | :41:04. | :41:11. | |
you? Staff are not just embarrassed, they are worried that safety and | :41:12. | :41:15. | |
quality are being compromised. According to vault sorbic from | :41:16. | :41:24. | |
Unison. In both sides they have issue about Chlamydia screening. | :41:25. | :41:26. | |
Chlamydia screening kits have not turned up. They have not turned up | :41:27. | :41:32. | |
until late September. Programmes have not been up and running like | :41:33. | :41:35. | |
they were previously, so there is a big issue for public seven `` safety | :41:36. | :41:40. | |
in North and North East Lincolnshire. North Lincolnshire | :41:41. | :41:45. | |
Council, now responsible for public health, admits that targets on | :41:46. | :41:48. | |
Chlamydia screening have not yet been met, but a spokesperson said | :41:49. | :41:53. | |
that the situation is being managed. Part of the problem, say the unions, | :41:54. | :41:57. | |
is that the transfer of the service to private company coincided with | :41:58. | :42:04. | |
the NHS reforms. The chaos that came out of the health and social care | :42:05. | :42:09. | |
act has compromised patient care and the health of the communities in | :42:10. | :42:14. | |
North and North East Lincolnshire. Nick Dakin, MP for Scunthorpe, says | :42:15. | :42:17. | |
he is keeping a close eye on the situation. I have met with public | :42:18. | :42:23. | |
health at North Lincolnshire Council and I have spoken to them again | :42:24. | :42:26. | |
since and they have assured me that they are monitoring this contract | :42:27. | :42:30. | |
closely and I am on their case. Separately, I am asking for a | :42:31. | :42:35. | |
meeting with Virgin Care, so that they can update me with exactly what | :42:36. | :42:39. | |
they are doing. I am sure that they can `` want to provide a good | :42:40. | :42:43. | |
service. Part of my job is to ensure that they do. Staff and patients say | :42:44. | :42:48. | |
that they are struggling to cope with daily frustrations. It is hard | :42:49. | :42:53. | |
not to lose your temper and keep calm when you go in there and this | :42:54. | :42:56. | |
and that has not happened and you can get the test three times before | :42:57. | :43:05. | |
getting results back. Union leaders claim any problems with sexual | :43:06. | :43:09. | |
health services could put local people at unnecessary risk. They are | :43:10. | :43:12. | |
hoping to meet soon with managers from Virgin Care to discuss their | :43:13. | :43:27. | |
concerns. Well, Virgin Care sent us a statement in which they claimed | :43:28. | :43:30. | |
town centre premises were an improvement on previous provision, | :43:31. | :43:31. | |
and that statement said: Craig Whittaker, these concerns were | :43:32. | :43:43. | |
being raised about sexual health services in your constituency, would | :43:44. | :43:47. | |
you want answers from Virgin Care? I would do exactly what Nick Bacon is | :43:48. | :43:54. | |
doing, asking the relevant parties, commissioners and providers, for the | :43:55. | :43:57. | |
relevant answers to the questions and making sure that they were being | :43:58. | :44:00. | |
monitored properly. Let us not forget. This seems like an | :44:01. | :44:06. | |
ideological battle between unions and a private provider. You got to | :44:07. | :44:11. | |
take that into account as well. The unions say that this is example why | :44:12. | :44:16. | |
privatised health care is not working in some areas. I can give | :44:17. | :44:21. | |
you some examples of where it is working extremely well. GPs are | :44:22. | :44:27. | |
self`employed people. Let us not just label a private or NHS. There | :44:28. | :44:31. | |
was a balance and it is about quality provision for the people | :44:32. | :44:37. | |
that are giving the service. Are the unions right to highlight this or is | :44:38. | :44:43. | |
it just part of either logical conflict, because the unions do not | :44:44. | :44:49. | |
want any privatisation? I don't understand why Virgin Care say that | :44:50. | :44:53. | |
it is a better service. It is clearly not working in Scunthorpe | :44:54. | :44:56. | |
and Nick Dakin is right to take it up the way that he has. This is not | :44:57. | :45:01. | |
about ideology, but about why a private company that makes profits | :45:02. | :45:05. | |
can do a better job than the public sector, where it is being done by | :45:06. | :45:08. | |
the public good, and I do not believe that Virgin are doing this | :45:09. | :45:12. | |
for the public good, but for their shareholding. People are suspicious | :45:13. | :45:19. | |
about privatised health care. Just because they are a privatised | :45:20. | :45:22. | |
company does not mean they will be inferior to the NHS. But they have | :45:23. | :45:29. | |
to make profits. Let us talk about mid Staffordshire, about Morecambe, | :45:30. | :45:35. | |
about the issues that we have had with the NHS, and these are not | :45:36. | :45:41. | |
private providers. It was a failure of management. It was NHS management | :45:42. | :45:50. | |
and it has been a failure. Why does a private provider make a better | :45:51. | :45:55. | |
service at a lower cost when it has to make a profit? We see them | :45:56. | :46:00. | |
providing a much better service in some instances than our own NHS and | :46:01. | :46:05. | |
we have seen that, and the prime example is mid Staffordshire and | :46:06. | :46:09. | |
what is happening in Morecambe. The people know that they are getting a | :46:10. | :46:12. | |
privatised health company delivering their care? Some of the Virgin | :46:13. | :46:16. | |
clinics, there was no branding. It just says, NHS. Should people be | :46:17. | :46:23. | |
upfront, and should the just be upfront and above board if they are | :46:24. | :46:29. | |
using private companies? All we want is that people who use NHS services, | :46:30. | :46:33. | |
that we get a free medical service that is of great quality, when we | :46:34. | :46:39. | |
want it and where we need it. And providing that is done every time, | :46:40. | :46:42. | |
doesn't really matter it is a private provider or estate | :46:43. | :46:47. | |
provider? Many of your constituents will have used either clinics and | :46:48. | :46:51. | |
hospitals and been happy with it. If the service is good and it is at a | :46:52. | :46:56. | |
lower cost, and they don't understand how it can be, then that | :46:57. | :47:01. | |
is good, but when you realise that you are complaining to a private | :47:02. | :47:03. | |
company and go through that to the NHS management responsible for | :47:04. | :47:09. | |
commissioning it. Should there be more checks and balances? If it is | :47:10. | :47:12. | |
found that private companies are not delivering a certain level of care, | :47:13. | :47:16. | |
should they be stripped of that contract? Not just the private | :47:17. | :47:21. | |
companies but for NHS providers as well. Any contract that is tendered | :47:22. | :47:25. | |
out needs to have checks and balances for whoever is the service | :47:26. | :47:30. | |
does either full top `` who ever is the service provider. Now when | :47:31. | :47:39. | |
you've finished watching the Sunday Politics, you might be heading out | :47:40. | :47:43. | |
to do some shopping. In many towns and cities parking is free on a | :47:44. | :47:47. | |
Sunday, but an increasing number of councils are charging drivers to | :47:48. | :47:50. | |
park on weekends and in the evening. It's causing a big row in Leeds, | :47:51. | :47:53. | |
from where Joe Inwood reports. What do a music venue, a market stall, a | :47:54. | :47:56. | |
restaurant and the church all have in common? They all say that | :47:57. | :48:01. | |
charging for Sunday and late`night parking would devastate them. I | :48:02. | :48:10. | |
think it is terrible. It has not been thought through. The effect on | :48:11. | :48:13. | |
local businesses is going to be very bad. They have created a fantastic | :48:14. | :48:20. | |
shopping destination in this city and now they are taking it away | :48:21. | :48:24. | |
because it is easy to think, I will go elsewhere, where it is easy to | :48:25. | :48:29. | |
park. Psychologically it is a big negative that people have to spend | :48:30. | :48:35. | |
money on parking that they could spend from their pockets in the | :48:36. | :48:40. | |
venues. People will come and make a day of it, come to church, spend | :48:41. | :48:45. | |
some time in the shopping centre. That is the modern Sunday. And we | :48:46. | :48:49. | |
think that less people will come on back sort of basis. What are the | :48:50. | :48:55. | |
changes they are concerned about? It is just after six o'clock, you can | :48:56. | :48:59. | |
see cars looking for somewhere to stop. If they find a space, | :49:00. | :49:04. | |
currently, it is free. Under the new plans this page ?2 for the rest of | :49:05. | :49:09. | |
the evenings. On Sunday it is ?1, ?4 for the whole day. In total it | :49:10. | :49:13. | |
should make the City Council ?400,000 per year. This comes in the | :49:14. | :49:18. | |
same week it was announced that they make up to ?7 million a year profit | :49:19. | :49:22. | |
from parking. That is more than any other council in the North of | :49:23. | :49:27. | |
England. Despite repeated requests, nobody from the council has been | :49:28. | :49:31. | |
available for interview. In a statement, they said that parking | :49:32. | :49:34. | |
charges in Leeds are comparable with other major cities, but considerably | :49:35. | :49:39. | |
cheaper than the private alternatives and that they have not | :49:40. | :49:42. | |
risen in four years. They did not address the concerns of local | :49:43. | :49:45. | |
businesses. They did not explain why a city that already makes ?7 million | :49:46. | :49:49. | |
in profit should increase that, and they did not explain why they have | :49:50. | :49:54. | |
ignored the results of their own consultation. I would say to the | :49:55. | :50:00. | |
council, listen to your community, to your residence, and think about | :50:01. | :50:04. | |
what is right for the residents. It seems clear to me that the people of | :50:05. | :50:07. | |
Leeds are saying that they do not want this. It damages businesses. It | :50:08. | :50:11. | |
damages people wanting to go to church, not just businesses, and | :50:12. | :50:15. | |
that is a horrendous position. They should be wanting to see that town | :50:16. | :50:20. | |
flourishing and vibrant and the best way to do that is to make parking | :50:21. | :50:27. | |
cheap. In Swindon they took a deliberately relaxed approach, | :50:28. | :50:30. | |
cutting charges and giving ten minutes leeway, and they are seeing | :50:31. | :50:35. | |
the benefits. We have seen an increase in footfall in that time, | :50:36. | :50:38. | |
one of the few town centres in the south of England that has shown | :50:39. | :50:43. | |
growth in visits to the town centre. Leeds is undoubtedly a private `` | :50:44. | :50:51. | |
thriving place. It has many signs of a city on the up. With the council | :50:52. | :50:56. | |
taking some credit for that success, but the concern from the town centre | :50:57. | :50:59. | |
is that these changes could put much of that in jeopardy. Let us pick up | :51:00. | :51:07. | |
on that point. Do you want to defend Labour`1 lead City Council in | :51:08. | :51:13. | |
introducing these parking charges, is it going to stop the economic | :51:14. | :51:19. | |
recovery? I don't think it will, but I do not blame the council but doing | :51:20. | :51:23. | |
what they are doing. Their budgets have been slashed hugely by central | :51:24. | :51:30. | |
government. If local government had more financial autonomy it could | :51:31. | :51:34. | |
draw a better balance between parking charges and business rates | :51:35. | :51:38. | |
and other sources of income, maybe local income taxes if they were | :51:39. | :51:40. | |
completely devolved to cities like Leeds, but the issue is that they | :51:41. | :51:44. | |
have got to find a way of producing more revenue now that the essential | :51:45. | :51:48. | |
revenue that they have has been slashed by central government. This | :51:49. | :51:56. | |
is an absolute copout. It lacks vision. It lacks leadership. It | :51:57. | :52:01. | |
lacks a range of things. You have got five local authorities in West | :52:02. | :52:07. | |
Yorkshire, five HR departments, five accountancy departments, all | :52:08. | :52:11. | |
replicated across certain things. If you want to save money let us look | :52:12. | :52:18. | |
at those areas. They have talked about it and talked about it but | :52:19. | :52:22. | |
they have not done it. Instead what they do is they put more and more | :52:23. | :52:25. | |
money on the motorist and suddenly, places like Leeds will lose out with | :52:26. | :52:29. | |
high parking charges because people will go elsewhere. Do you think that | :52:30. | :52:36. | |
parking should be free? I think that parking charges for retailers is a | :52:37. | :52:41. | |
good thing because it increases turnover and football increases. The | :52:42. | :52:44. | |
evidence shows that when you have car parking charges, it increases | :52:45. | :52:52. | |
footfall. ?2 a day is not a lot of money. I have just paid outside for | :52:53. | :53:01. | |
Mike minutes parking, 40p. Just outside here in the BBC. `` for 90 | :53:02. | :53:12. | |
minutes parking. For 90 minutes parking at costs ?4 just outside the | :53:13. | :53:15. | |
building so if you put another ?1 on top of that it is an incredibly | :53:16. | :53:22. | |
expensive 90 minutes. We are talking about Sundays and evenings, ?2 for | :53:23. | :53:27. | |
the entire day. That is pretty good value. But will they go to other | :53:28. | :53:33. | |
centres, out`of`town retail parks, which are free? I doubt that, if you | :53:34. | :53:41. | |
put it up by ?2 on a Sunday. We remember that Tony Blair wanted a | :53:42. | :53:46. | |
cafe culture. How is charging motorists going to encourage people | :53:47. | :53:48. | |
to come into town centres after dark? It is not going to encourage | :53:49. | :53:54. | |
more people but it will not put them off, either. If you charge ?7 a day, | :53:55. | :53:59. | |
it will, but up to ?2 a day on a Saturday evening Sunday, I doubt | :54:00. | :54:02. | |
that that will put the ball. It is cheaper than the boss. In the | :54:03. | :54:07. | |
meantime you can shop on the Internet and not be any parking | :54:08. | :54:08. | |
charges. `` it will put people off. Motorists increasingly see | :54:09. | :54:21. | |
themselves as a cash cow, from councils and from the national | :54:22. | :54:26. | |
government as well. Who is going to help the hard`pressed motorists? If | :54:27. | :54:32. | |
you go into Central London there was a ?10 congestion charge per day. | :54:33. | :54:35. | |
That has not reduced congestion in Central London. I do not find it to | :54:36. | :54:42. | |
be any less. We have the same issue in Calderdale. We have a Labour run | :54:43. | :54:47. | |
council that is deciding to put double yellow lines to try and help | :54:48. | :54:56. | |
when the M6 G2 motorway closes. They have halved the parking for | :54:57. | :54:59. | |
residents and what they have then gone and done is put car parking | :55:00. | :55:02. | |
charges on the only free car park in the village, not a town or city. It | :55:03. | :55:12. | |
just shows what a nonsense this is. You say that it is the Labour run | :55:13. | :55:17. | |
council. It would never have happened if I was on the council. | :55:18. | :55:21. | |
Let us look at some of the Conservative run councils. Councils | :55:22. | :55:27. | |
are being squeezed by the `` central government, whatever party runs them | :55:28. | :55:31. | |
and they are desperate for revenue. It is a copout where they can save | :55:32. | :55:39. | |
more money in other areas. The procurement issues we have within | :55:40. | :55:43. | |
the NHS and local councils are horrendous and until we address | :55:44. | :55:45. | |
those key, fundamental issues and save money... I know from talking to | :55:46. | :55:55. | |
the leader of Leeds City Council that he has been talking to other | :55:56. | :55:59. | |
torture councils to make savings by having central purchasing and | :56:00. | :56:02. | |
functions. They are talking and negotiating and doing. This was six | :56:03. | :56:09. | |
months, nine months ago. They had a clear plan and I know that they are | :56:10. | :56:12. | |
putting that into operation to save the taxpayer money. They have to do | :56:13. | :56:21. | |
it. Let's get some more of the week's political news now. Len | :56:22. | :56:24. | |
Tingle has our round`up in 60 seconds. Has this week seen the end | :56:25. | :56:29. | |
of George Galloway's Bradford Spring? Less than 18 months after | :56:30. | :56:34. | |
respect 15 seats on Bradford Council it has all ended in tears, with all | :56:35. | :56:38. | |
five angrily quitting the party claiming lack of consultation on | :56:39. | :56:41. | |
policy. They will now sit as independent councillors. It is four | :56:42. | :56:45. | |
years since the last private operator of trains on the East Coast | :56:46. | :56:48. | |
line could London said it could not make a profit but it has gone under | :56:49. | :56:52. | |
state ownership. The new Labour shadow transport secretary and wait | :56:53. | :56:56. | |
for Mary Creagh is asking why the Government wants to sell it off | :56:57. | :56:59. | |
again. Franchising is not delivered on the East Coast mainline. This | :57:00. | :57:05. | |
week David come Cameron said he has found the green shoots of recovery | :57:06. | :57:09. | |
in the world were largest online fashion retailer based at | :57:10. | :57:17. | |
Grimethorpe. We see this employing 2300 people and a few years ago it | :57:18. | :57:21. | |
employed no one at all. But a Labour MP said that there was a long way to | :57:22. | :57:25. | |
go. We have a long way to go in Barnsley. | :57:26. | :57:29. | |
Why privatise these Coast Main line if it is making money for the | :57:30. | :57:35. | |
Government? Have you been on these Coast lately? This service is | :57:36. | :57:41. | |
appalling, the trains are filthy. I had to stand for nearly 60% of the | :57:42. | :57:46. | |
journey, having paid ?134 for my one`way ticket. That is just | :57:47. | :57:51. | |
appalling. That is why they are making money because they are | :57:52. | :57:55. | |
offering a poor level of service. Some of the privatise train | :57:56. | :58:00. | |
operating companies are not much better. I paid ?35 for a first`class | :58:01. | :58:06. | |
ticket in advance, and it was comfortable and clean and well | :58:07. | :58:10. | |
organised. Well, it would be in first class. The service quality, | :58:11. | :58:20. | |
they are chalk and cheese. I'm sorry, I have never had a bad | :58:21. | :58:23. | |
service from the East Coast mainline. I do not recognise the | :58:24. | :58:29. | |
trend that they are talking about. Come up with me in standard class. I | :58:30. | :58:34. | |
have sat in standard as well. It is sometimes quite crowded. It is more | :58:35. | :58:38. | |
than crowded. I could not get a seat. I paid in advance and I saved | :58:39. | :58:43. | |
a huge amount of taxpayers money. Mary Creagh says that she is open to | :58:44. | :58:48. | |
the idea of the full renationalisation of the railways. | :58:49. | :58:55. | |
It is ?200 million a year from East Coast, I directly operated railway | :58:56. | :59:00. | |
going back to the Treasury. Some of that could be used for investment. | :59:01. | :59:05. | |
Why are we giving that money to the private sector? It is going straight | :59:06. | :59:10. | |
into the Treasury coffers. It is on `` unbelievable that we are saying | :59:11. | :59:12. | |
that shareholders need to get that cash. Bring back British rail. You | :59:13. | :59:19. | |
would not be complaining then, would you? I would at least have someone | :59:20. | :59:26. | |
to complain to! George Galloway. We heard about the Respect councillors | :59:27. | :59:35. | |
and Brad. Has the Bradford Spring turned into a winter of discontent? | :59:36. | :59:45. | |
It was never going to last. He is a populist politician. He just picks | :59:46. | :59:49. | |
up an issue and runs with it. The tragedy is for the people of | :59:50. | :59:54. | |
Radford. The people there need a good MP was interested in them and | :59:55. | :59:57. | |
the sad thing for me is that George Galloway has not done the job he | :59:58. | :00:01. | |
promised to do for the people of Bradford when he won that | :00:02. | :00:06. | |
by`election so convincingly. He's not here to defend himself, as he | :00:07. | :00:16. | |
has done, bustly, on many things. He's one of those rare breeds of | :00:17. | :00:19. | |
politicians to reach passes of the electorate that others do not. You | :00:20. | :00:23. | |
cannot make promises and not all of them. I am sad for people in one of | :00:24. | :00:30. | |
the poorest parts that are not getting the service that they | :00:31. | :00:34. | |
deserve and badly need. Would you like him back in the Labour Party? | :00:35. | :00:37. | |
That is not a decision for me to make. Would he make a good mayor of | :00:38. | :00:46. | |
London? He has got that Boris Johnson style independence about | :00:47. | :00:54. | |
them. He is not a patch on Boris. It sounds like we are seeing the start | :00:55. | :00:59. | |
of electioneering. Yes, we are. You're not going to deny that? | :01:00. | :01:04. | |
Absolutely not. If you're a politician you should be campaigning | :01:05. | :01:07. | |
and electioneering all the time because you never take your election | :01:08. | :01:12. | |
for granted. Well, don't peak too soon, gentlemen. Thank you both. You | :01:13. | :01:16. | |
have been watching the Sunday Politics for Yorkshire and | :01:17. | :01:19. | |
Lincolnshire. Now, back to Andrew Neil in London. | :01:20. | :01:20. | |
free school area for into that category. Thank you. | :01:21. | :01:32. | |
Is Labour about to drop its support category. Thank you. | :01:33. | :01:32. | |
Is Labour about to drop its support for High Speed 2, a rail line the | :01:33. | :01:36. | |
party approved while in government? for High Speed 2, a rail line the | :01:37. | :01:47. | |
these green shoots? These are all questions for The Week Ahead. | :01:48. | :02:00. | |
So, HS2. Miss Flint wouldn't answer the question. She's in northern MP | :02:01. | :02:04. | |
too. Ed Balls is comparing it to the Millennium Dome. | :02:05. | :02:09. | |
too. Ed Balls is comparing it to the minute's silence for HS2? It will | :02:10. | :02:14. | |
not be quite as crude as that. They will not stand up and say, we | :02:15. | :02:19. | |
not be quite as crude as that. They senior Labour person said to me it | :02:20. | :02:20. | |
would be a bit senior Labour person said to me it | :02:21. | :02:22. | |
that Gordon Brown and Ed Balls set for the euro back in 97. They will | :02:23. | :02:28. | |
be chucking lots of questions into the air, and the questions will | :02:29. | :02:32. | |
create doubt, and will create the grounds for Labour to say, at some | :02:33. | :02:39. | |
point, we think there is a much much better way of spending the money. It | :02:40. | :02:43. | |
isn't ?42 billion, because that includes a contingency. Let's see | :02:44. | :02:50. | |
what Peter Mandelson had to say about HS2. He was in the government | :02:51. | :02:58. | |
when Labour supported it. Frankly, there was too much of the argument | :02:59. | :03:02. | |
that if everyone else has got a high-speed train, we should have won | :03:03. | :03:08. | |
too. Regardless of need, regardless of cost, and regardless of | :03:09. | :03:14. | |
alternatives. As a party, to be frank, we didn't feel like being | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
trumped by the zeal of the then opposition's support for the | :03:20. | :03:26. | |
high-speed train. We wanted, if anything, to upstage them. So they | :03:27. | :03:31. | |
didn't really need it, and we're only talking about ?50 billion. Why | :03:32. | :03:38. | |
would you take a decision involving ?50 billion in a serious way? For | :03:39. | :03:43. | |
David Cameron, if it becomes clear Labour is against it, he cannot | :03:44. | :03:48. | |
proceed. He indicated last week that he wouldn't proceed if the certainty | :03:49. | :03:53. | |
wasn't there. For Labour, HS2 is really a debate about the deficit by | :03:54. | :03:57. | |
proxy. They think that if you don't go ahead with HS2, that releases | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
tens of billions of pounds to spend on other things, such as public | :04:02. | :04:06. | |
services, without going into boring. I don't think that works because | :04:07. | :04:28. | |
there was a difference between cancelling something that already | :04:29. | :04:30. | |
exists to pay for something else, and cancelling something that does | :04:31. | :04:33. | |
not yet exist and will be paid for over decades to pay for something | :04:34. | :04:36. | |
here and now. Can Labour do this? I know that the line will be, we are | :04:37. | :04:39. | |
not going to build this railway because we are going to build | :04:40. | :04:41. | |
200,000 houses a year. Can they do this without political cost? I think | :04:42. | :04:44. | |
there will be political costs, but they will play this card of we have | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
changed our mind. I think Cameron's line has been very clever, saying we | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
cannot do it without labour. You can put it in two ways. Sorry, we cannot | :04:54. | :04:59. | |
go ahead with it, but Labour has ruined your chance of prosperity, or | :05:00. | :05:03. | |
they can tie themselves to it, and then Labour cannot attack it on | :05:04. | :05:09. | |
great grounds when costs do spire. You can write Labour's script right | :05:10. | :05:15. | |
now. They can say, if we were in charge, the financial management | :05:16. | :05:23. | |
would be much better. This raises some really important questions for | :05:24. | :05:27. | |
the government. They have utterly failed to make the case for HS2 | :05:28. | :05:33. | |
There is a real case to make. Between London and Birmingham it is | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
about capacity not speed. North of Birmingham, it is about | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
connectivity. It is a simple case to make, but it is only in the last | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
month that they have been making that case. It shows really terrible | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
complacency in the coalition that they haven't done that. We'll HS2 | :05:51. | :05:58. | |
happen or not? I think it will. For the reasons that Nick outlined, | :05:59. | :06:02. | |
there is not of a constituency for it amongst Northern areas. -- there | :06:03. | :06:11. | |
is enough of a constituency for it. There is private investment as well. | :06:12. | :06:18. | |
It isn't like Heathrow. I say no, because I think Labour will drop | :06:19. | :06:24. | |
their support for it. Caroline Flint said she was in favour of the | :06:25. | :06:27. | |
concept of trains generally, but will it go further than that? It is | :06:28. | :06:33. | |
difficult to see how it will go ahead if Labour will not support it | :06:34. | :06:39. | |
after setting five tests that it clearly will not meet. Some will | :06:40. | :06:46. | |
breathe a sigh of relief. Some will say, even in the 20th century, we | :06:47. | :06:51. | |
cannot build a proper rail network. The economy was another big story of | :06:52. | :06:57. | |
the week. We had those GDP figures. There is a video the Tories are | :06:58. | :07:02. | |
releasing. The world premiere is going to be here. Where's the red | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
carpet? It gives an indication of how the Tories will hand Mr Miliband | :07:07. | :07:10. | |
and labour in the run-up to the election. Let's have a look at it. | :07:11. | :07:44. | |
These graphics are even worse than the ones we use on our show! How on | :07:45. | :07:50. | |
earth would you expect that to go viral? It did have a strange feel | :07:51. | :07:59. | |
about it. It doesn't understand the Internet at all. Who is going to | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
read those little screens between it? Put a dog in it! However, | :08:04. | :08:15. | |
putting that aside, I have no idea that that is going to go viral. The | :08:16. | :08:20. | |
Tories are now operating - and I say Tories rather than the coalition - | :08:21. | :08:27. | |
on the assumption that the economy is improving and will continue to | :08:28. | :08:31. | |
improve, and that that will become more obvious as 2014 goes on. We | :08:32. | :08:36. | |
just saw their how they will fight the campaign. Yes, and at the | :08:37. | :08:43. | |
crucial moment, you will reach the point where wages. To rise at a | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
faster pace than inflation, and then people will start to, in the words | :08:49. | :08:52. | |
of Harold Macmillan, feel that they have never had it so good. That is | :08:53. | :08:57. | |
the key moment. If the economy is growing, there is a rule of thumb | :08:58. | :09:06. | |
that the government should get a benefit. But it doesn't always work | :09:07. | :09:09. | |
like that. The fundamental point here is that Ed Miliband has had a | :09:10. | :09:12. | |
great month. He has totally set the agenda. He has set the agenda with | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
something - freezing energy prices - that may not work. That video shows | :09:18. | :09:22. | |
that the Conservatives want to get the debate back to the | :09:23. | :09:26. | |
fundamentals. That this is a party that told us for three years that | :09:27. | :09:33. | |
this coalition was telling us to -- was taking us to hell on a handcart. | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
That doesn't seem to have happened. The energy price was a very clever | :09:39. | :09:45. | |
thing, at the party conference season, which now seems years ago. | :09:46. | :09:49. | |
They saw that the recovery was going to happen, so they changed the | :09:50. | :09:56. | |
debate to living standards. Some economists are now privately | :09:57. | :10:00. | |
expecting growth to be 3% next year, which was inconceivable for five | :10:01. | :10:05. | |
months ago. If growth is 3% next year, living standards will start to | :10:06. | :10:07. | |
rise again. Where does Labour go then? I would go further, and say | :10:08. | :10:14. | |
that even though Ed Miliband has made a small political victory on | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
living standards, it hasn't registered in the polls. Those polls | :10:20. | :10:25. | |
have been contracted since April -- have been contracting since April. | :10:26. | :10:29. | |
That macro economic story matters more than the issue of living | :10:30. | :10:35. | |
standards. The interesting thing about the recovery is it confounds | :10:36. | :10:38. | |
everybody. No one was predicting, not the Treasury, not the media not | :10:39. | :10:44. | |
the IMF, not the academics, and the only people I can think of... I fit | :10:45. | :10:51. | |
-- I thought they knew everything! The only people I know who did are | :10:52. | :10:57. | |
one adviser who is very close to George Osborne, and the clever hedge | :10:58. | :11:00. | |
fund is who were buying British equities back in January. Because | :11:01. | :11:05. | |
the Treasury's record is so appalling, no one believe them, but | :11:06. | :11:10. | |
they were saying around February, March this year, that by the end of | :11:11. | :11:15. | |
the summer, the recovery would be gathering momentum. For once, they | :11:16. | :11:23. | |
turned out to be right! They said that the economy would be going gang | :11:24. | :11:27. | |
bust is! Where did the new Tory voters come from? I agree, if the | :11:28. | :11:34. | |
economic recovery continues, the coalition will be stronger. But | :11:35. | :11:43. | |
where will they get new voters from? For people who sign up to help to | :11:44. | :11:47. | |
buy, they will be locked into nice mortgages at a low interest rate, | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
and just as you go into a general election, if you are getting 3% | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
growth and unemployment is down the Bank of England will have to review | :11:58. | :12:00. | |
their interest rates. People who are getting nice interest rates now may | :12:01. | :12:05. | |
find that it is not like that in a few months time. The point John | :12:06. | :12:12. | |
Major was making implicitly was that Mrs Thatcher could speak to people | :12:13. | :12:16. | |
on low incomes. John Major could not speak to them -- John Major could | :12:17. | :12:21. | |
speak to them. But this coalition cannot speak to them. This idea | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
about the reshuffle was that David Cameron wanted more Northern voices, | :12:26. | :12:33. | |
more women, to make it look like it was not a party of seven men. When | :12:34. | :12:38. | |
David Cameron became leader, John Major said, I do not speak very | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
often, but when I do, I will help you, because I think you are good | :12:44. | :12:47. | |
thing and I do not want to be like Margaret Thatcher. But that speech | :12:48. | :12:52. | |
was clearly a lament for the party he believed that David Cameron was | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
going to lead and create, but that isn't happening. And energy prices | :12:58. | :13:03. | |
continue into this coming week. We have the companies going before a | :13:04. | :13:07. | |
select committee. My information is they are sending along the secondary | :13:08. | :13:11. | |
division, not the boss. How can they get along -- get away with that I | :13:12. | :13:17. | |
got the letter through from British Gas this week explaining why my | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
bills are going up, and at no point since this became a story have any | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
of the big companies handled it well. I will have to leave it there. | :13:26. | :13:30. | |
Make sure you pay your bill! That's it for today. The Daily Politics is | :13:31. | :13:37. | |
back on BBC Two tomorrow. I will be back here on BBC One next Sunday. | :13:38. | :13:44. | |
Remember, if it's Sunday, it is The Sunday Politics. | :13:45. | :13:51. |