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There's another candidate in the race to become Ukip's next | :00:33. | :00:39. | |
leader: Suzanne Evans, the party's former deputy chairman, | :00:40. | :00:41. | |
This man might have something to say about that. | :00:42. | :00:48. | |
Paul Nuttal was Nigel Farage's deputy for many years. | :00:49. | :00:50. | |
So is he now ready to throw his hat in the ring? | :00:51. | :00:53. | |
The battle for Mosul: the Iraqi army and its allies advane | :00:54. | :00:59. | |
on the country's second city which has been in the hands of | :01:00. | :01:02. | |
here in Yorkshire and Lincoln, if I from this key clash? | :01:03. | :01:13. | |
here in Yorkshire and Lincoln, if I do thought from Ukip. We ard the | :01:14. | :01:19. | |
Rocky Balboa of politics. Wd always get back up | :01:20. | :01:20. | |
world. Should all private landlords be licensed to help tackle the | :01:21. | :01:21. | |
squalor? And with me - as always - | :01:22. | :01:26. | |
the best and the brightest political panel in the business: Toby Young, | :01:27. | :01:29. | |
Polly Toynbee and Tom Newton Dunn - The last leader was in the job | :01:30. | :01:32. | |
a mere 18 days before she decided The favourite to succeed her then | :01:33. | :01:42. | |
quit the party after a now infamous Ukip's biggest donor says the party | :01:43. | :01:47. | |
is at "breaking point". This morning, the former | :01:48. | :01:52. | |
Deputy Chairman, Suzanne Evans, announced that she would be | :01:53. | :01:59. | |
running for the leadership. I've thought long and hard | :02:00. | :02:01. | |
about this leadership bid, and one of the reasons I've perhaps | :02:02. | :02:07. | |
delayed announcing it is because I wanted to be absolutely | :02:08. | :02:09. | |
sure that I had the support And I can confirm that I have | :02:10. | :02:12. | |
more than enough signatures on the nomination form already | :02:13. | :02:16. | |
to be able to go forward. Let's not forget that 3,000 people | :02:17. | :02:19. | |
signed a petition in support of me I know head office was besieged | :02:20. | :02:23. | |
with letters in support. I would not be doing this | :02:24. | :02:28. | |
if I didn't have the backing of our members, because our members | :02:29. | :02:32. | |
are the most important Well, Paul Nuttall was | :02:33. | :02:35. | |
Nigel Farage's deputy for many years and plenty of people saw him | :02:36. | :02:43. | |
as a leader-in-waiting. Let's ask the man himself - | :02:44. | :02:46. | |
Paul Nuttall joins me now. Yes. I've made the decision that I'm | :02:47. | :02:59. | |
going to put my name forward to be the next leader of Ukip. I have huge | :03:00. | :03:04. | |
support across the country, not only amongst people at the top of the | :03:05. | :03:08. | |
party in Westminster and with the MEPs, but also the grassroots. I | :03:09. | :03:13. | |
want to be the unity candidate. Ukip needs to come together. I'm not | :03:14. | :03:18. | |
going to gild the lily. Ukip is looking over a political cliff at | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
the moment. It will either step four step back, and I want to tell us to | :03:23. | :03:33. | |
step backwards. You say it faces an ex-distension or threat, which means | :03:34. | :03:35. | |
it's possible it has no future at all. Students of political history | :03:36. | :03:38. | |
know that political parties take a long time to get going. They can | :03:39. | :03:45. | |
disappear pretty quickly. Ukip is facing an existential crisis. What | :03:46. | :03:49. | |
happened over the summer has put us on a... We could be on a spiral that | :03:50. | :03:55. | |
we can't get off. But I believe I am the man to bring the factions | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
together, to create unity within the party, and to build on the structure | :04:00. | :04:03. | |
and get us ready for the common challenges. Why didn't you stand | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
last time? Because I have spent the last four or five years of my life | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
travelling around the country. I have done more Ukip meetings than | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
anybody else, spending a lot of time away from home. With Brexit, I felt | :04:18. | :04:23. | |
that my job and Nigel's job was done and we could hand over to the next | :04:24. | :04:27. | |
generation. That doesn't seem to be the case, and maybe it's time for | :04:28. | :04:31. | |
someone who is an old hand. I'm very experienced and I know the party | :04:32. | :04:35. | |
inside out. Maybe it's time to step in and bring the party together You | :04:36. | :04:40. | |
told the Liverpool Echo on the night of July that you didn't wish to take | :04:41. | :04:47. | |
on Nigel Farage, you didn't want that to happen to your family and | :04:48. | :04:56. | |
friends. What has changed? The party is facing an existential crisis and | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
I want to make sure that Ukip is on the pitch to keep the ball into the | :05:01. | :05:07. | |
open net we have in politics. We have a Conservative Party who is | :05:08. | :05:13. | |
moving toward Brexit, but we have to be there too. Why would you be | :05:14. | :05:18. | |
better than Suzanne Evans? Suzanne would be an excellent candidate I | :05:19. | :05:23. | |
thought the 2015 manifesto was the best out of all the political | :05:24. | :05:27. | |
parties. I would be the best candidate because of my experience. | :05:28. | :05:31. | |
I am not part of any faction within the party. Is she? I get on well | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
with everybody, and I believe I could be the man to bring the party | :05:37. | :05:42. | |
together. Do you get on with Iain Banks, -- Aaron Banks, who is | :05:43. | :05:47. | |
supporting one of your rivals? Yes, I get on well with him. He is able | :05:48. | :05:53. | |
to choose whoever he wants to be the next leader of the party. After | :05:54. | :05:57. | |
November 28, the leadership election, we all say, the past the | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
past. It becomes Daisy row for the new leader. We forget all that has | :06:03. | :06:11. | |
before and move on. You won the referendum. Mrs May is adopting some | :06:12. | :06:13. | |
of your policies, like grammar schools. What is the point of Ukip | :06:14. | :06:19. | |
these days? Twofold. We don't have Brexit. Mrs May said she would not | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
invoke Article 50 until the end of March, and we don't know if that | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
will happen. We need to ensure a strong Ukip to make sure that Brexit | :06:30. | :06:35. | |
really does mean Brexit. We have a huge opportunity in working class | :06:36. | :06:38. | |
communities where the Labour Party no longer represents them. I believe | :06:39. | :06:43. | |
Ukip can become the voice of working people. If you were the leader, | :06:44. | :06:47. | |
would Ukip be a bigger threat to Labour in the north or the Tories in | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
the South? You save Labour in the north, and people often to make that | :06:53. | :06:56. | |
mistake. There's working class communities right across the country | :06:57. | :07:01. | |
is. There are working-class communities in Bristol just | :07:02. | :07:13. | |
as in Newcastle. We are second in a number of northern seats, and | :07:14. | :07:17. | |
southern seats as well, and I believe the party can move into | :07:18. | :07:19. | |
these communities. It can only do so if Ukip is on the pitch, and I | :07:20. | :07:22. | |
intend to make sure that's the case. I don't think we have portrayed a | :07:23. | :07:28. | |
good image over the summer. Is that called British understatement? A | :07:29. | :07:35. | |
bit. It is dysfunctional. We have to move on beyond Nigel Farage. We have | :07:36. | :07:40. | |
to build a strong national Executive Committee. We need to ensure our | :07:41. | :07:45. | |
branches are ready for the fight and concentrate on local elections. I've | :07:46. | :07:49. | |
got the experience. I'm now throwing my hat into the ring, and I'm the | :07:50. | :07:55. | |
only person who can keep Ukip in the game. What role would you give Nigel | :07:56. | :07:59. | |
Farage, if any? I will be the candidate of compromise. I would see | :08:00. | :08:04. | |
what Nigel wanted to do. Would you keep in the leader of the freedom | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
and democracy group in the European Parliament? There would have to be | :08:09. | :08:12. | |
compromise on both sides, and we would need to talk about it. I don't | :08:13. | :08:18. | |
know what Nigel wants to do. Do you think his support, his association | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
with Donald Trump, helps Ukip win female votes in this country? | :08:24. | :08:28. | |
Personally, I would not have gone out and campaigned or said anything | :08:29. | :08:31. | |
about Donald Trump, but I don't think Ukip has come out and backed | :08:32. | :08:38. | |
Donald Trump 100%. Personally, I wouldn't have even spoken about the | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
American election, because I think the two candidates are quite | :08:43. | :08:47. | |
appalling. Some up for us. If you win, what would be the hallmark of | :08:48. | :08:52. | |
your Ukip leadership? The first couple of months would be ensuring | :08:53. | :08:58. | |
that Ukip unifies. Saying no to factions, bringing people together. | :08:59. | :09:04. | |
Suzanne Evans, Nigel Farage, all of the MEPs, and ensuring that Ukip can | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
move forward. If we don't unify Ukip will not be around for much | :09:09. | :09:12. | |
longer. Thanks for being with us this morning. | :09:13. | :09:15. | |
We won't have to wait too long to find out who Ukip's | :09:16. | :09:18. | |
new leader will be - the winner will be announced | :09:19. | :09:20. | |
Who would be the best leader for Ukip? I think the difference between | :09:21. | :09:30. | |
the field a few weeks ago and today is that this field is a lot | :09:31. | :09:34. | |
stronger. Whether it's Paul or Suzanne, I think... It is hard to | :09:35. | :09:41. | |
say, with Aaron Banks and apparently Nigel Farage hacking another | :09:42. | :09:51. | |
candidate, Raheem, but I want Ukip to be a strong force in British | :09:52. | :10:00. | |
politics. I think the fact there is a stronger field now is good news | :10:01. | :10:07. | |
for Ukip. Is it a Labour's worst nightmare in the north of England? | :10:08. | :10:13. | |
It is. I think the personality difference and presentational | :10:14. | :10:16. | |
difference is interesting. Suzanne Evans is going for the Conservative | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
county vote. There's a lot to be taken there by Ukip. He would | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
probably be more appealing to the Labour vote. It is interesting. At | :10:26. | :10:32. | |
the moment, pollsters say that the Ukip vote splits pretty easily | :10:33. | :10:45. | |
between Labour and Tory. But things always collapse. When they have made | :10:46. | :10:51. | |
inroads into Tower Hamlets and Barking, they collapse, because they | :10:52. | :10:54. | |
fight amongst each other so much. But not always with fists! Does Ukip | :10:55. | :11:06. | |
have a future? And who would best secure that future? It does for at | :11:07. | :11:11. | |
least two years, until we Brexit. We have to believe that that will | :11:12. | :11:17. | |
happen. That was an impressive pitch there from Paul, certainly as the | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
unity candidate, after the car crash we have seen on TV screens this | :11:22. | :11:26. | |
morning. But it doesn't go beyond May 20 19. What then? There is no | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
point being called the United Kingdom Independence party any | :11:32. | :11:36. | |
longer. What will happen after May 2019? If you want to hoover up votes | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
of the back of Brexit, you need to start looking further ahead than two | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
years. The person who wins that leadership contest is the person who | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
will sum that up the best. We shall see. | :11:52. | :11:53. | |
In June 2014, the group which calls itself the Islamic State in Iraq | :11:54. | :11:56. | |
and the Levant captured Iraq's second city, Mosul. | :11:57. | :11:58. | |
Later that month the group announced it was establishing a 'caliphate', | :11:59. | :12:01. | |
or an Islamic state, on the territories it | :12:02. | :12:03. | |
This week 30,000 Iraqi troops, aided by Iranian-backed Shia fighters | :12:04. | :12:12. | |
Kurdish Peshmerga and Western air support, began the assault | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
Then they spot a truck bomb from so-called Islamic State. | :12:18. | :12:35. | |
They destroy it before it destroys them. | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
These are the first steps in the battle for Mosul, | :12:41. | :12:43. | |
the Northern Iraqi city IS has made its stronghold since 2014. | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
Controlling the city of around 2 million people means | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
that they established governance, they establish a territorial base. | :12:53. | :12:56. | |
This is what has obsessed everyone, because with a territorial base | :12:57. | :13:00. | |
you are capable of doing more than if you are simply an insurgency | :13:01. | :13:04. | |
movement in the fabric of another society. | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
It's being billed as the biggest military operation in Iraq | :13:10. | :13:12. | |
since the war in 2003, the biggest moment in the international effort | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
Here is how the various forces are approaching the city. | :13:17. | :13:22. | |
Heading to Mosul from the south the elite troops of the Iraqi army. | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
Known as the Golden division, trained and accompanied | :13:27. | :13:28. | |
From the North, a force made up of Kurds, known as the Peshmerga, | :13:29. | :13:35. | |
Also from the South, a militia made up of Shia fighters | :13:36. | :13:41. | |
who have been accused of human rights abuses. | :13:42. | :13:44. | |
British planes have bombed outlying villages, reportedly guided | :13:45. | :13:47. | |
in by British personnel on the ground. | :13:48. | :13:54. | |
To the North West, a corridor has been left for some | :13:55. | :13:57. | |
of the 3000 plus IS fighters, in theory an escape route | :13:58. | :14:00. | |
which could limit the bloodshed when fighting starts in the city. | :14:01. | :14:03. | |
We've had 4-5 days of battle and it's taking place | :14:04. | :14:05. | |
in the outlying villages and there have been some | :14:06. | :14:07. | |
successes and some failures, but the momentum is building. | :14:08. | :14:11. | |
And the real question will be when the attackers get | :14:12. | :14:13. | |
towards the city itself, how strong are the defences? | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
It will crack but it might crack within 48 hours or 2-3 weeks. | :14:18. | :14:25. | |
IS has fought back, on Friday they attack sites | :14:26. | :14:29. | |
in the city of Kirkuk, including a power station. | :14:30. | :14:31. | |
The United Nations believes hundreds of thousands of families | :14:32. | :14:34. | |
have been rounded up as potential human shields. | :14:35. | :14:36. | |
The battle could be bloody, but what about when it's over? | :14:37. | :14:41. | |
The Shia militias, the Iraqi army, the Peshmerga guerrillas, | :14:42. | :14:43. | |
some of the Turkish elements, they all want a share of the action. | :14:44. | :14:47. | |
They are in Mosul, not for altruistic reasons. | :14:48. | :14:50. | |
They are there because they want to be part of whatever happens next. | :14:51. | :14:53. | |
The biggest issue is how the Sunni majority in Mosul reacts to the Shia | :14:54. | :14:58. | |
militias which have helped to liberate them. | :14:59. | :15:02. | |
ARCHIVE FOOTAGE: When Sir Francis Humphrey went to Mosul | :15:03. | :15:04. | |
If it all seems like something from the archive, when the Middle | :15:05. | :15:08. | |
East went up in flames and was then carved up, | :15:09. | :15:11. | |
it is because that is what is happening in Iraq right now. | :15:12. | :15:15. | |
National identity has been cut across by other identities such | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
And that means that putting together a so-called nation state again | :15:20. | :15:30. | |
Almost certainly there will be a new form of Kurdish state, | :15:31. | :15:36. | |
almost certainly in northern Iraq at the end of this crisis, | :15:37. | :15:39. | |
and what is happening in Mosul is a microcosm of what is happening | :15:40. | :15:42. | |
elsewhere across the Levant which is that it is melting down. | :15:43. | :15:45. | |
Big questions, questions that come after the battle. | :15:46. | :15:48. | |
The coalition forces are advancing but this is just the beginning. | :15:49. | :15:51. | |
I'm joined now by the International Development Minister Rory Stewart. | :15:52. | :16:00. | |
In a former life he was the coalition Deputy-Governor of two | :16:01. | :16:03. | |
provinces in Southern Iraq following the Iraq intervention of 2003. | :16:04. | :16:11. | |
Is there any doubt that at some stage Mosul will fall to the forces | :16:12. | :16:21. | |
of Iraq and its allies? The first thing is that war is very uncertain | :16:22. | :16:30. | |
and there are cliches about it being the graveyard of predictions and we | :16:31. | :16:33. | |
don't want to make confident predictions but the basic structure | :16:34. | :16:38. | |
is that there are 30,000 Iraqi forces outside and only a few | :16:39. | :16:48. | |
thousand Daesh fighters inside and I would say it is overwhelmingly | :16:49. | :16:51. | |
likely that the batter will one STUDIO: -- the battle the won by the | :16:52. | :16:58. | |
Iraqi forces. June 2014 was a great success, they | :16:59. | :17:07. | |
took a city of over in people and they created what they tried to | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
create a million state of 7 million people, stretching across the Iraqi | :17:13. | :17:15. | |
Syrian border, but since then they have lost territory quite rapidly. | :17:16. | :17:21. | |
Now they are losing the outskirts of Mosul, and that is a fundamental | :17:22. | :17:25. | |
blow. Islamic State is all about territory and holding state, that is | :17:26. | :17:27. | |
what makes it different from Al-Qaeda. If they lose Mosul that | :17:28. | :17:35. | |
will be a cynic -- significant blow to their credibility. Hillary | :17:36. | :17:39. | |
Clinton said on Wednesday's presidential debate that when Iraqi | :17:40. | :17:43. | |
forces with their allies including the United Kingdom gain control of | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
Mosul they should continue to press into Syria to take back Raqqa which | :17:48. | :17:54. | |
is the de facto capital of the caliphate, what is left of it, do we | :17:55. | :17:59. | |
want Iraqi forces to pursue IS into Syria? Very important question. | :18:00. | :18:06. | |
Delayed in Raqqa needs to come from people on the Syrian side of the | :18:07. | :18:09. | |
border and that is an important principle -- the lead. In the end of | :18:10. | :18:15. | |
that enemy, Islamic State, is a common enemy for odd members of the | :18:16. | :18:19. | |
coalition including the Iraqi government. -- all members. There is | :18:20. | :18:27. | |
likely to be a humanitarian crisis especially if it ends up with street | :18:28. | :18:31. | |
to street fighting and IS are difficult to dislodge what are we | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
doing about that? We are doing very detailed scenario planning. It is | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
very uncertain what the scenario will be but much investment has gone | :18:42. | :18:45. | |
into creating a network of camps, refugees STUDIO: Refugee camps | :18:46. | :18:55. | |
around cash refugee camps, and that is where money, British money, 40 | :18:56. | :19:01. | |
million has gone recently into supporting that, especially in terms | :19:02. | :19:04. | |
of medical support to people. The United nation's emergency response | :19:05. | :19:12. | |
budget is ?196 million but only one third funded which sounds like we | :19:13. | :19:15. | |
are putting up a big chunk of what is already being funded. Why is | :19:16. | :19:20. | |
that? The international committee can't say they haven't seen this | :19:21. | :19:23. | |
assault coming, and the humanitarian fallout they may see from it. You | :19:24. | :19:29. | |
are absolutely right. We have seen it coming and we have been planning | :19:30. | :19:33. | |
since debris and we have put in about ?167 million into this -- | :19:34. | :19:39. | |
planning since February. There has been a change in the nature of the | :19:40. | :19:42. | |
appeal, and if there is a lag in the accounting of it, but the money we | :19:43. | :19:46. | |
need at this stage is in place and we do have the support structure in | :19:47. | :19:50. | |
place for those refugees. You are right the United Nations is | :19:51. | :19:53. | |
continuing with its appeal and is asking for more money at the moment. | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
The converse magazine wrote this week that preparations for a big | :19:59. | :20:01. | |
exodus of people leaving the city have been made -- Economist | :20:02. | :20:07. | |
magazine. But confidence is not high in the preparations, is that a | :20:08. | :20:12. | |
unfair conclusion? If you can imagine the different scenarios it | :20:13. | :20:16. | |
could be a few thousand and it could be a few hundred thousand coming out | :20:17. | :20:19. | |
of the city through a front line where the war is going on, that is | :20:20. | :20:24. | |
very difficult. You have to screen those people and disarm them, and | :20:25. | :20:28. | |
keep families together, and transport them and you have to bring | :20:29. | :20:32. | |
them into the refugee camps. The people working on this have been | :20:33. | :20:35. | |
working on this for long time, we have mapped the different routes we | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
have good camp infrastructure in place and we have people who have | :20:40. | :20:46. | |
worked in south to dam and other areas who are putting their | :20:47. | :20:49. | |
structures in place -- South Sudan. It is never easy but I think we have | :20:50. | :20:53. | |
done everything we can in the preparation for this. What is the | :20:54. | :20:58. | |
British role in what will probably be an even bigger issue, assuming | :20:59. | :21:03. | |
that Mosul is liberated and retaken, the humanitarian crisis is dealt | :21:04. | :21:09. | |
with, what role will we play in the rebuilding of Mosul? That will be | :21:10. | :21:15. | |
crucial to the future of Iraq, the second-biggest city and it will need | :21:16. | :21:20. | |
to be rebuilt. It will need to be rebuilt as a community as well as | :21:21. | :21:25. | |
bricks and mortar. And eight Sunni community that is not harassed by | :21:26. | :21:29. | |
the Shia. -- and eight. You are right. One of the core drivers is | :21:30. | :21:36. | |
that the Sunni community felt excluded and they did not feel they | :21:37. | :21:39. | |
have the trust from the Baghdad government. A lasting solution is | :21:40. | :21:45. | |
stopping some of Islamic State coming back, that involves making | :21:46. | :21:50. | |
sure the Sunni community have a stake in their future. That is | :21:51. | :21:55. | |
making sure that the governing structures are in place. The UK s | :21:56. | :22:00. | |
response is twofold, we have got to get the humanitarian aid right, that | :22:01. | :22:05. | |
is the short term, people who might be malnourished, coming out of the | :22:06. | :22:10. | |
front line. The second thing is working with the Iraqi government to | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
make sure that as we rebuild Mosul we do so in a way that that | :22:15. | :22:17. | |
population feels a connection to the Iraqi state. Islamic State is losing | :22:18. | :22:25. | |
territory everywhere in the Levant, it is almost finished in Iraq, we | :22:26. | :22:29. | |
think. It is down to one district in Libya, as well, just one small part | :22:30. | :22:35. | |
of the town. I suppose the risk is, if life is becoming more difficult | :22:36. | :22:39. | |
across these areas, it can start to look more in Europe and the United | :22:40. | :22:45. | |
Kingdom as a place to continue its terrorist attacks? That is a real | :22:46. | :22:52. | |
danger. You are right. This is a group which has proved over the last | :22:53. | :22:55. | |
five years very unpredictable and it changes for it quickly full stop | :22:56. | :23:01. | |
often it does unexpected things In 2009 its predecessor had been | :23:02. | :23:06. | |
largely wiped out in Iraq and when it was under pressure in Syria it | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
went back into Iraq, and in the past it didn't hold territory but now it | :23:11. | :23:14. | |
holds territory, so you are right. There is a serious risk that as it | :23:15. | :23:17. | |
gets squeezed in the middle East it will try to pop up somewhere else | :23:18. | :23:22. | |
and Mac could include Europe and the United States -- that could. They | :23:23. | :23:26. | |
say that is something they have focused on full stop we also have a | :23:27. | :23:32. | |
big focus on counterterrorism security and making sure that we | :23:33. | :23:34. | |
keep the United Kingdom and Europe say. One final question. -- say -- | :23:35. | :23:46. | |
safe. Maybe events in Mosul could add to the migration crisis in | :23:47. | :23:50. | |
Europe, is that a possibility? Again, you are right, we have seen | :23:51. | :23:57. | |
in Syria it can push migration, the biggest push the migration was the | :23:58. | :24:00. | |
conflict in Syria, and that's the reason why we have but so much | :24:01. | :24:02. | |
energy into getting those refugee camps in place and getting the | :24:03. | :24:07. | |
humanitarian response in place - put so much energy. People will want | :24:08. | :24:12. | |
to remain in their homes, this is their country, but we have got to | :24:13. | :24:15. | |
make it possible for them and that means in the short term looking | :24:16. | :24:19. | |
after their shelter and in the medium to long-term making sure they | :24:20. | :24:22. | |
have livelihoods, jobs and an economic development which is why | :24:23. | :24:28. | |
our support in Iraq is in the UK National interests because it deals | :24:29. | :24:32. | |
with these issues of migration and terrorists. Thanks for joining us. | :24:33. | :24:39. | |
I'm joined now by the Shadow Defence Secretary. | :24:40. | :24:46. | |
Does Labour support British participation in this offensive We | :24:47. | :24:58. | |
fully support the participation in this offensive, extremely important | :24:59. | :25:02. | |
move forward and we voted for this back in 2014. We are asking the | :25:03. | :25:08. | |
government question is, of course, I was asking the Secretary of State | :25:09. | :25:12. | |
this week about this very offensive but we are fully behind our RAF | :25:13. | :25:17. | |
pilots out there and be trading that has been going on to help the forces | :25:18. | :25:22. | |
on the ground. -- the training full stop that is very clear. I wonder if | :25:23. | :25:26. | |
you'll lead it shares that clarity and that position. -- is your | :25:27. | :25:33. | |
leader. This is what Jeremy Corbyn has said. | :25:34. | :25:35. | |
What's been done in Iraq is done by the Iraqi | :25:36. | :25:37. | |
government, and currently supported by the British government. | :25:38. | :25:39. | |
I did not support it when it came up. | :25:40. | :25:42. | |
Well, I'm not sure how successful it's been, because most | :25:43. | :25:45. | |
of the action now appears to be moving in to Syria, so I think we | :25:46. | :25:49. | |
He doesn't sound very supportive. The issue about Mosul, it has been | :25:50. | :25:58. | |
very carefully prepared as Rory Stewart said and I hope we have | :25:59. | :26:02. | |
learned the lessons from previous offensives where we haven't learnt | :26:03. | :26:06. | |
sufficiently, and that is going to be crucial in this context. How the | :26:07. | :26:10. | |
aftermath is going to be dealt with. Of course will stop that clip was | :26:11. | :26:16. | |
from November last year, and things have changed. Two weeks ago he told | :26:17. | :26:24. | |
the BBC" I'm not sure it is working", in reference to air | :26:25. | :26:28. | |
strikes in Iraq, but it is working. We have got to see what happens in | :26:29. | :26:32. | |
Mosul, it is a very high-risk operation, but we also have to face | :26:33. | :26:35. | |
the fact that the people there are living under tyranny at the moment. | :26:36. | :26:39. | |
We have to ask very cirrus question shall stop he says he's not sure it | :26:40. | :26:47. | |
is working, when Mosul is the last major target be cleared of Islamic | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
State in Iraq. The combination of Allied air power has worked, why is | :26:52. | :26:56. | |
he not sure it is working? Because we have seen difficulties in the | :26:57. | :27:01. | |
past. But this was two weeks ago. It is essential that the work is done, | :27:02. | :27:05. | |
both planning for the refugees as Rory Stewart referred to, but also | :27:06. | :27:08. | |
in terms of reconstruction of the city and its community as you | :27:09. | :27:14. | |
mentioned. These are vital. This was about the ability to make progress | :27:15. | :27:18. | |
with Allied air power, special forces in Iraq, on the ground, do | :27:19. | :27:23. | |
you accept so far that has a strategy that seems to be working to | :27:24. | :27:35. | |
read Iraq of Islamic -- to read Iraq of Islamic State the question of the | :27:36. | :27:44. | |
car began placement. Ulloa -- we can't be complacent. The problems | :27:45. | :27:52. | |
they are creating where ever they are urged that we must continue to | :27:53. | :27:56. | |
pursue them. This is the first time we have spoken to since you have | :27:57. | :28:00. | |
become the Shadow Defence Secretary. I hope we will have a longer | :28:01. | :28:05. | |
interview. Will Labour's next manifesto include a commitment to | :28:06. | :28:11. | |
the renewal of Trident? It will We made that commitment in 2007, that | :28:12. | :28:14. | |
is a firm commitment and we will honour that to our coalition allies | :28:15. | :28:18. | |
and our industrial partners and that is the vote which was taken | :28:19. | :28:22. | |
democratically and repeatedly has been reaffirmed by Labour conference | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
and we are a democratic party vote up you have squared that with Jeremy | :28:27. | :28:34. | |
Corbyn? He's in favour of democracy and he understands the situation, | :28:35. | :28:37. | |
but we also want to push for the UK to play a much bigger role on the | :28:38. | :28:41. | |
international stage on multilateral disarmament talks. You were very | :28:42. | :28:47. | |
clear there, I thank you for that. Support for Trident will be in the | :28:48. | :28:52. | |
next Labour manifesto. What has happened to Labour's review of | :28:53. | :28:56. | |
Trident policy? That review has been taking place over the year, we had a | :28:57. | :29:00. | |
very clear reaffirmation in the conference boat this year, we are | :29:01. | :29:04. | |
reaffirming our commitment to Trident -- vote. The review can t | :29:05. | :29:12. | |
change that? There is a process of review and a fair number of issues | :29:13. | :29:15. | |
related to defence, all parties do this. Of course. The review can t | :29:16. | :29:22. | |
change the commitment to Trident? We are not changing the commitment to | :29:23. | :29:26. | |
Trident. Russia is now the main strategic threat to this country? It | :29:27. | :29:31. | |
is a major strategic threat and we have got to work with our Nato | :29:32. | :29:33. | |
allies very closely and make sure that we respond and that we do not | :29:34. | :29:38. | |
let things pass. For example, we should be calling out Russia for the | :29:39. | :29:42. | |
way it has been a bombing humanitarian aid and we should be | :29:43. | :29:46. | |
taking them to international court over this, but we should also be | :29:47. | :29:51. | |
strengthening sanctions, somewhat imposed over Ukraine. We try to do | :29:52. | :29:57. | |
that, but the Italians wouldn't let us. The Italians did not want to | :29:58. | :30:01. | |
participate in the European initiative but that doesn't stop | :30:02. | :30:06. | |
individual countries for the Britain should step up? Yes, we should look | :30:07. | :30:11. | |
at what is practical to impose. Thanks for joining us. | :30:12. | :30:17. | |
Mosul is not the only major battle being waged in the Middle East. | :30:18. | :30:20. | |
The city of Aleppo in northern Syria has seen some of the heaviest | :30:21. | :30:23. | |
bombardment since Syria's five-year-long civil war began. | :30:24. | :30:26. | |
This week Russian warships, in a deliberate show of power, | :30:27. | :30:29. | |
sailed west through the English channel en route to Syria. | :30:30. | :30:33. | |
Nato says it's Russia's "largest surface deployment" since the end | :30:34. | :30:36. | |
of the Cold War in what is thought to be preparation | :30:37. | :30:39. | |
for a final assault on the besieged city of Aleppo. | :30:40. | :30:43. | |
In the city itself fighting resumed overnight - | :30:44. | :30:47. | |
following a 3-day ceasefire - with more air strikes and heavy | :30:48. | :30:53. | |
clashes in the city's rebel-held eastern districts. | :30:54. | :30:55. | |
Almost 500 people have been killed and 2,000 injured | :30:56. | :30:58. | |
since Syrian government forces, backed by Russian air strikes, | :30:59. | :31:02. | |
This week Theresa May condemned Vladimir Putin's involvement | :31:03. | :31:10. | |
in Syria, accusing Moscow of being behind "sickening | :31:11. | :31:12. | |
atrocities" in support of President Assad's regime. | :31:13. | :31:16. | |
But European leaders are divided on how to respond and, | :31:17. | :31:20. | |
with the United States preoccupied with domestic politics, | :31:21. | :31:22. | |
President Putin senses this is his moment to bring the Syrian | :31:23. | :31:26. | |
I'm joined now by the BBC's former Diplomatic and Moscow Correspondent, | :31:27. | :31:34. | |
Bridget Kendall, who is now Master of Peterhouse College in Cambridge. | :31:35. | :31:42. | |
Welcome. Good to see you in the BBC studio again. Let me put up this | :31:43. | :31:50. | |
satellite image of Aleppo here, to get an idea of the scale. It was the | :31:51. | :31:58. | |
biggest city in Syria. It was the commercial capital and a huge | :31:59. | :32:03. | |
cultural hub as well. Almost the New York of Syria, to give you an idea | :32:04. | :32:06. | |
of its significance to the country. Let me show you now how it's been | :32:07. | :32:12. | |
divided. The rebels are now in control of the eastern part, about | :32:13. | :32:20. | |
eight miles long and three miles wide there, they're in purple. They | :32:21. | :32:23. | |
are under great attacks still. Is it inevitable that that purple part | :32:24. | :32:30. | |
falls to the regime? That is what President as Saad, the Russians and | :32:31. | :32:36. | |
the Iranians hope. The fierce bombardments we have seen is part of | :32:37. | :32:43. | |
that. I'm reminded very much in the Russian tactics of what happened in | :32:44. | :32:48. | |
grudgingly in Chechnya in 2000, when the Russians said, a warning for all | :32:49. | :32:53. | |
civilians to lead, and then they went ahead and they basically raised | :32:54. | :32:59. | |
it to the ground. They are talking about Al Nusrah as being one of the | :33:00. | :33:03. | |
rebel groups. They got rid of all of the terrorists. They talk about it | :33:04. | :33:08. | |
being an Al-Qaeda offshoot. The purpose of going in is to get rid of | :33:09. | :33:12. | |
them. You get the civilians out and then you take it. But this isn't | :33:13. | :33:17. | |
like Chechnya. It is much more complex. We have seen an attempt to | :33:18. | :33:22. | |
take Aleppo before, and then there was a rebel counter offensive. It's | :33:23. | :33:27. | |
not so certain. And there are so many different parties involved We | :33:28. | :33:30. | |
have seen the alarm in the west of the extent of the civilian | :33:31. | :33:34. | |
casualties. There have been rumblings in the west of, shouldn't | :33:35. | :33:44. | |
the United States do something? Shouldn't they stop the Syrian air | :33:45. | :33:47. | |
force? This Russian aircraft carrier steaming its way towards the Eastern | :33:48. | :33:50. | |
Mediterranean is a symbolic gesture, both to its own people, but also to | :33:51. | :33:58. | |
the West, to say, don't get involved in Aleppo if we go ahead. Don't try | :33:59. | :34:04. | |
and stop us because we could up the ante. They have not been great | :34:05. | :34:08. | |
visual pictures, because the aircraft carrier looks a bit clapped | :34:09. | :34:13. | |
out, belching out smoke! If the rebel controlled area does fall it | :34:14. | :34:20. | |
would be seen as a great victory for President as Saad and his Russian | :34:21. | :34:24. | |
allies. What is the aim of Russia here? What would they then do, if | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
Aleppo Falls? It is part of a plan that President Putin set out in his | :34:30. | :34:34. | |
UN speech in 2014, before Russia went into Syria. The aim is to put | :34:35. | :34:40. | |
President Assad back in charge. President Putin said this weekend | :34:41. | :34:45. | |
that either is Assad in Damascus, or its Al Nusrah. There is nothing in | :34:46. | :34:50. | |
between. They want to eliminate the argument for a moderate opposition. | :34:51. | :34:55. | |
They want to make it plain that the only way to get a stable Syria is to | :34:56. | :35:02. | |
have Assad back in charge. Even sue argue for a rump steak lit, leaving | :35:03. | :35:11. | |
aside what is happening with IAS. They have already said they want to | :35:12. | :35:16. | |
have an enlarged military presence at their bases. And they have a big | :35:17. | :35:22. | |
naval base. It is. It is a chance to push for this when he sees the West | :35:23. | :35:27. | |
is being distracted and divided Europe and America, by elections and | :35:28. | :35:34. | |
so on. Just before the US elections. The Americans are worried about | :35:35. | :35:39. | |
that, Europeans are being distracted by Brexit. He can push to his | :35:40. | :35:44. | |
maximum advantage now, before there is a new US president. If they do | :35:45. | :35:52. | |
take that part of Aleppo, and that part of northern Syria, does Mr | :35:53. | :36:00. | |
Putin want us to recognise, to admit, that that is now his sphere | :36:01. | :36:05. | |
of influence? I think the rhetoric from the Russians is that they want | :36:06. | :36:10. | |
the West to recognise that they are an equal powerful partner. It's not | :36:11. | :36:14. | |
just the US that runs the writ in the Middle East. Russia is as | :36:15. | :36:20. | |
important as it is. It is engaging with Saudi Arabia and has mended | :36:21. | :36:25. | |
fences with Turkey. Syria is the place from which it can launch its | :36:26. | :36:31. | |
message that it is a big player in the Middle East. Russia wants the | :36:32. | :36:37. | |
West to understand that this isn't a country that was dismembered after | :36:38. | :36:40. | |
the end of the Soviet Union and is now a week. It is back, and it is | :36:41. | :36:44. | |
strong. That is an important message. Looking at the economy It | :36:45. | :36:51. | |
is in recession. GDP has been falling, partly because of the price | :36:52. | :36:56. | |
of oil. It is highly dependent on hydrocarbons, and is expected to | :36:57. | :37:01. | |
fall again. Its people are falling again. People don't realise how | :37:02. | :37:06. | |
small the Russian economy is. Its GDP is about the size of Italy's. It | :37:07. | :37:13. | |
is smaller than the UK economy. Bigger than it was 15 or 20 years | :37:14. | :37:21. | |
ago. But so is Britain's does it help to take people's mind of this? | :37:22. | :37:27. | |
A huge shock to the Russian economy was a drop in the price of oil and a | :37:28. | :37:32. | |
price of gas. A drop in the price of the ruble as well. This is hurting | :37:33. | :37:38. | |
the people of Russia. On the one hand, it is the war in Syria, which | :37:39. | :37:43. | |
is very important for Russia to sort out that part of the world and | :37:44. | :37:49. | |
dispensed terrorists who might be danger to -- is dangerous to Russia. | :37:50. | :37:56. | |
But he had also has presidential election is going up. They are | :37:57. | :38:00. | |
supposed to be 2018, but some feel he will bring them forward to 2 17, | :38:01. | :38:04. | |
because the economy is not doing so well. But you need a good story for | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
the Russian people. Thank you very much. | :38:10. | :38:12. | |
We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland who leave us now | :38:13. | :38:26. | |
Hello, you are watching the Sunday Politics for Yorkshire and | :38:27. | :38:32. | |
Lincolnshire. Coming up: we are the Rocky Balboa of politics. When we | :38:33. | :38:36. | |
got -- when we get knocked down we get back up. What is next whll you | :38:37. | :38:41. | |
get after a turbulent few wdeks How many times can I get back up again? | :38:42. | :38:46. | |
How bright is the future for our booming tourism industry? Could | :38:47. | :38:51. | |
Brexit move off some of the shine? We will be meeting the new LP for | :38:52. | :38:53. | |
Batley and Spen. Yes, Tracy Brabin will | :38:54. | :38:58. | |
be joining us later. Before then we'll be chatting | :38:59. | :39:00. | |
to Rishi Sunak, the conserv`tive MP for Richmond, and former | :39:01. | :39:02. | |
UKIP MEP Godfrey Bloom. While the politicians | :39:03. | :39:12. | |
debate the pros and cons of Brexit in Westminster, | :39:13. | :39:17. | |
industries that traditionally rely on migrant labour are feeling | :39:18. | :39:19. | |
the impact of the uncertainty. Not only is farming | :39:20. | :39:21. | |
affected, but tourism too. It s an industry worth more | :39:22. | :39:23. | |
than ?8 billion to Yorkshird Despite a bumper summer | :39:24. | :39:25. | |
with increasing visitor numbers many businesses are concerndd | :39:26. | :39:29. | |
for the future and how they will be able to recruit staff | :39:30. | :39:32. | |
once we leave the EU. Welcome to sunny Scarborough, | :39:33. | :39:34. | |
where tourists have been a part of the local economy | :39:35. | :39:50. | |
since the 17th century. This summer, with the low | :39:51. | :39:54. | |
exchange rate, many hotels, businesses and other attractions | :39:55. | :39:56. | |
have experienced record Brexit and the drop in the pound has | :39:57. | :39:59. | |
absolutely helped the whole I think together with peopld having | :40:00. | :40:11. | |
a bit of fear now of We ve been here 10 years and we have | :40:12. | :40:16. | |
very few people from abroad, and we ve had a lot | :40:17. | :40:20. | |
of Europeans this year. They have probably been makhng | :40:21. | :40:22. | |
the most of the weak pound This July saw its highest | :40:23. | :40:25. | |
ever number of overseas Tourism is big business | :40:26. | :40:32. | |
in our region. It is worth more than ?8 billion | :40:33. | :40:36. | |
across Yorkshire and Lincolnshire. Kerry isn't the only one | :40:37. | :40:42. | |
experiencing a bit of a bool. Americans are particularly | :40:43. | :40:46. | |
interested in Magna Carta and all the rest of it, | :40:47. | :40:48. | |
so we do get a lot of peopld from overseas, but a lot of people | :40:49. | :40:51. | |
now from the rest of the cotntry. If you are only getting one euro | :40:52. | :40:55. | |
to your pound, you think, than a quarter of a million people | :40:56. | :41:02. | |
in Yorkshire and Lincolnshire, but it s estimated up to half | :41:03. | :41:08. | |
the workers in some businesses come Which has raised questions | :41:09. | :41:11. | |
about recruitment after Brexit. Many hospitality businesses rely | :41:12. | :41:15. | |
upon seasonal labour from Etrope and from other parts of the world, | :41:16. | :41:18. | |
and clearly they want clarity as to what the rules will bd | :41:19. | :41:21. | |
and what status those Will they still be able to work | :41:22. | :41:24. | |
in their businesses going forwards? I d probably say about 30 or 40 | :41:25. | :41:29. | |
percent of our team. Certainly, as a casual basis | :41:30. | :41:35. | |
for restaurant and bar, and certainly housekeeping do rely | :41:36. | :41:38. | |
on that use of European staff. I'm a qualified accountant | :41:39. | :41:42. | |
back in Hungary. I came to England 13 years `go | :41:43. | :41:44. | |
to look for new opportunitids. I kind of understand British people, | :41:45. | :41:48. | |
why they vote yes to Brexht. But I do understand | :41:49. | :41:54. | |
the other side as well. I just hope there s going to be | :41:55. | :41:56. | |
an easier way for me Otherwise I think the country | :41:57. | :42:00. | |
is going to collapse because there are so many pdople | :42:01. | :42:07. | |
from Eastern Europe working I think my concern is | :42:08. | :42:09. | |
the uncertainty that is there now, The change in the way | :42:10. | :42:17. | |
in which people travel and learn and plan for the next two, | :42:18. | :42:23. | |
three, four, five years. And because of that, | :42:24. | :42:25. | |
people will, I think, Therefore there will be a g`p, | :42:26. | :42:27. | |
I think, and a blip in that process of travel, of learning | :42:28. | :42:32. | |
and recruitment in the procdss. Tourism in our region has previously | :42:33. | :42:39. | |
had to deal with a rise And, of course, the unpredictably | :42:40. | :42:42. | |
of the great British weather. How will the uncertainty | :42:43. | :42:46. | |
of post-referendum Britain play out? Reporting error from Sally | :42:47. | :43:04. | |
Scarborough. Factories and businesses right to be worrhed about | :43:05. | :43:09. | |
the possible shortage of workers postbag is that? As a Yorkshire MP, | :43:10. | :43:12. | |
I am enormously proud of thd success we have had attracting tourhsts not | :43:13. | :43:16. | |
just from the UK but from around the world. I don't think they h`ve to be | :43:17. | :43:21. | |
worried. There is some uncertainty today, but the Prime Ministdr has | :43:22. | :43:24. | |
been very clear that our expectation and hope is that everyone who is | :43:25. | :43:28. | |
already here, already an EU citizen, will be able to stay. I think most | :43:29. | :43:32. | |
of them will already have the legal right to stay anyway by the time we | :43:33. | :43:36. | |
leave. I think on that scord it should be no trouble. I think the | :43:37. | :43:41. | |
other thing to note is that, of course, people voted to havd some | :43:42. | :43:43. | |
control of immigration, which is sensible. I don't think people voted | :43:44. | :43:48. | |
for an end to all immigration. I think people need we -- people | :43:49. | :43:52. | |
realise we need some immigr`tion, they just want some control of it. | :43:53. | :43:56. | |
That businesses have to plan for the future. At the moment, they don t | :43:57. | :44:00. | |
know what the immigration policy is to be. We have just started this | :44:01. | :44:05. | |
process. We are not going to be leaving for 2.5 years from where we | :44:06. | :44:09. | |
are today. There is plenty of time to do things to come out. Wd are | :44:10. | :44:14. | |
about to start our negotiathons with our European partners early next | :44:15. | :44:17. | |
year. I'm sure in time we whll start to disclose those plans. I think | :44:18. | :44:21. | |
people will find is nothing to worry about. Both people who are `lready | :44:22. | :44:27. | |
here and also going forward. If the tourism industry relies on 40% of EU | :44:28. | :44:31. | |
workers working in that indtstry, do you accept they will struggle? After | :44:32. | :44:36. | |
Brexiteer does workers go home? First of all, I was the father of | :44:37. | :44:45. | |
Yorkshire Brexit. I have never heard anyone who suggests that we should | :44:46. | :44:49. | |
send anyone home he lives in gainful employment. I don't know anxbody who | :44:50. | :44:52. | |
regard that as being fair or just. Nobody. That certainly isn't going | :44:53. | :44:58. | |
to happen. Anybody who is in employment at the moment, g`inful | :44:59. | :45:02. | |
employment, or stay. Where we do have a problem, which I don't think | :45:03. | :45:05. | |
is being properly addressed, is if we have, broadly speaking, 20% youth | :45:06. | :45:09. | |
unemployment in the North of England, which we do, we should be | :45:10. | :45:15. | |
starting, the point we should be making is that training these people | :45:16. | :45:19. | |
up, training our own youngsters to take these jobs, most of whhch are | :45:20. | :45:24. | |
semiskilled, so what we need is to look at our education policx, our | :45:25. | :45:28. | |
welfare policy, and our work ethos in our youngsters. So we can fill | :45:29. | :45:33. | |
these things ourselves. Yes, let's keep the people who have cole in to | :45:34. | :45:37. | |
help us with our industries, and very good they are, but let's make | :45:38. | :45:40. | |
sure we can start getting otr own youngsters into some of these jobs. | :45:41. | :45:44. | |
I think you make a very important points. We have great talent in this | :45:45. | :45:49. | |
country and young people who should be trained. I'm delighted wd are | :45:50. | :45:52. | |
investing more in apprenticdships, specifically those which arhsen | :45:53. | :45:56. | |
where some of the leading elployers have created a new standard for | :45:57. | :45:59. | |
apprenticeships and the govdrnment has created a fax -- flexible | :46:00. | :46:03. | |
apprenticeship and tourism `re people can take longer to fhnish | :46:04. | :46:09. | |
because it is seasonal. If that was working, why are so many businesses | :46:10. | :46:13. | |
and Sderot Verity, chief exdcutive of up to Yorkshire, so worrhed about | :46:14. | :46:17. | |
this, the possible labour shortage after Brexit? The process h`s just | :46:18. | :46:22. | |
started. The investment in this new apprenticeship started just before | :46:23. | :46:26. | |
Brexit. The fruits of that we will start to see now. I will be more | :46:27. | :46:30. | |
focused on it which I think is a good thing. In terms of the numbers, | :46:31. | :46:34. | |
numbers and the reports may be a little misleading. The Office for | :46:35. | :46:37. | |
National Statistics, they stggested that around 10% of employment in | :46:38. | :46:42. | |
hospitality and food servicds and accommodation relates to non-British | :46:43. | :46:45. | |
citizens. It's a much smalldr figure than the number in your reports Of | :46:46. | :46:50. | |
those 10%, some will be non,EU immigrants. They are not affected by | :46:51. | :46:54. | |
Brexit. The scale of what wd are talking about is probably slaller | :46:55. | :46:57. | |
than the particular businesses we might be seeing in the report. Say | :46:58. | :47:02. | |
to the gentleman we saw in that report he was from Hungary, a | :47:03. | :47:05. | |
trained accountants, now working as a housekeeper on who feels he isn't | :47:06. | :47:12. | |
ready well, in Brexit Britahn? I got the impression he has been here for | :47:13. | :47:15. | |
13 years so we must be feelhng relatively comfortable, othdrwise he | :47:16. | :47:19. | |
would have gone back to Hungary An articulate guy, there are loads of | :47:20. | :47:23. | |
them. I am married to a Polhsh refugee myself. They're well, they | :47:24. | :47:28. | |
worked very hard. I don't think there is a problem. He doesn't have | :47:29. | :47:32. | |
a problem. Nobody I know on either side of the parties thinks he should | :47:33. | :47:37. | |
go. The government is looking at a visa system for EU workers. How do | :47:38. | :47:42. | |
you differentiate between what is a skilled worker and what is `n | :47:43. | :47:46. | |
unskilled worker? This is going to be the pinch points. Is a chef a | :47:47. | :47:50. | |
skilled worker? How do you say, you are welcome to come here, you were | :47:51. | :47:56. | |
not. I think it is not about well come and unwelcome. It's not about | :47:57. | :48:00. | |
hostility. There is a criteria based on skills that is not something that | :48:01. | :48:03. | |
is on a controversial. That's something that pretty much dvery | :48:04. | :48:07. | |
other country in the world does But is also what we do today for every | :48:08. | :48:10. | |
country that is not in the Duropean Union. Every country has a system of | :48:11. | :48:14. | |
immigration were they look `t the needs of businesses, why do we need | :48:15. | :48:18. | |
to get people, what kinds of things ought we to be training people to do | :48:19. | :48:23. | |
ourselves, or do we need extra help? They design a system to attract | :48:24. | :48:26. | |
those people and make sure we are in control of the numbers. Let's move | :48:27. | :48:28. | |
It's been a busy few weeks for UKIP - from a short lived | :48:29. | :48:31. | |
leader to an altercation the European Parliament, | :48:32. | :48:33. | |
and claims the party is in ` death spiral by the man once tippdd | :48:34. | :48:36. | |
Supporters have been telling James Vincent. | :48:37. | :48:44. | |
Diane James! It has been a bit of the month for Ukip. Ironically in | :48:45. | :48:57. | |
the year were they got everxthing they ever wanted. The 16th of | :48:58. | :49:01. | |
September, Diane James was dlected leader and replaces Nigel F`rage. I | :49:02. | :49:08. | |
ask you, support me, work whth me, when with me. That didn't h`ppen. | :49:09. | :49:15. | |
Quicker than you can get rid of an England manager, she was gone. 8 | :49:16. | :49:19. | |
days in the job. Her nomination papers show some matter which means | :49:20. | :49:25. | |
an agreement made under durdss. The 3rd of October, Nigel Faragd back in | :49:26. | :49:32. | |
charge to steady the ship. Turmoil in Ukip. The next day, the | :49:33. | :49:38. | |
altercation. Yorkshire MEP Like Cogan and Steven Woolfe. Mr will | :49:39. | :49:42. | |
spent three days in hospital. Mike Cogan says he didn't throw ` punch. | :49:43. | :49:46. | |
debates. This went a step ftrther debates. This went a step ftrther | :49:47. | :49:53. | |
from that. It was a step too far Steven Woolfe. The mounted to be the | :49:54. | :49:58. | |
next leader of Ukip off. My future in Ukip is very clear, therd is | :49:59. | :50:02. | |
none. I hope Ukip can recovdr, I just fear they are in a spiral | :50:03. | :50:09. | |
downwards. Chaos on the top deck of the party, but Ukip has alw`ys been | :50:10. | :50:13. | |
an organisation driven by its grassroots. Our campaigners here in | :50:14. | :50:17. | |
Yorkshire and Lincolnshire ,- are they worried what will happdn? We | :50:18. | :50:21. | |
had a rocky Balboa of polithcs. Every time we get knocked down, we | :50:22. | :50:26. | |
get back up again. It's not really, it's not great, but it is good | :50:27. | :50:30. | |
entertainment. We are a real party of real people, not career | :50:31. | :50:33. | |
politicians who have been polished within an inch of our lives to say | :50:34. | :50:36. | |
one thing in front of the c`meras and a different thing behind people | :50:37. | :50:42. | |
byes backs. We say what we think. We have Brexit, what we campaign for 20 | :50:43. | :50:46. | |
odd years. Now it is time to move on. We have got to prove now but we | :50:47. | :50:50. | |
are a political party. I thhnk we have proven that but we havd got to | :50:51. | :50:56. | |
carry on and show that we are a credible little party. One thing we | :50:57. | :51:01. | |
are very much united in is to get us out of Europe by properly. Not | :51:02. | :51:04. | |
softly, softly, the way the government is at the moment, where | :51:05. | :51:07. | |
they might reduce immigration little bit. But not truly get us ott. That | :51:08. | :51:13. | |
is what we are standing for. We are all united behind that. Any leader | :51:14. | :51:18. | |
will have to be passionate `bout that to succeed. So we need to go | :51:19. | :51:24. | |
back past the resignations, the altercations, the divisions, to the | :51:25. | :51:27. | |
most important data the party when we voted to leave the EU. Job done | :51:28. | :51:34. | |
for the UK Independence party. The key is in the name. The fundamental | :51:35. | :51:40. | |
question, what do they do now? Fax, everybody! | :51:41. | :51:46. | |
Is a Steven Woolfe right whdn he says that Ukip now is locked in a | :51:47. | :51:51. | |
death spiral? Weather-mac I wish I had a penny for every time H heard | :51:52. | :51:57. | |
that Ukip was on the skids. No, quite right in that clip whhch very | :51:58. | :52:00. | |
strongly made a point that the strength in Ukip is in its | :52:01. | :52:06. | |
grassroots. It's most extraordinary as a grassroots party. They're out | :52:07. | :52:12. | |
there every day. It's extraordinary. They had done very fairly bx the | :52:13. | :52:16. | |
hierarchy. I think perhaps lions led by donkeys might perhaps take that | :52:17. | :52:23. | |
particular phrase. It isn't in a death spiral. That is still plenty | :52:24. | :52:26. | |
to do, because there are a few people saying, we have had ` | :52:27. | :52:32. | |
referendum. We could be two years away from coming out. So Ukhp, until | :52:33. | :52:40. | |
we are out, until we are out, Ukip has a very real job to do. How does | :52:41. | :52:45. | |
Ukip rebrand itself after that? I think that his two years, wd agree | :52:46. | :52:50. | |
it is two years down the ro`d, then we can worry about policy after | :52:51. | :52:54. | |
that. There is a strong centre left wing in Ukip. There is a much | :52:55. | :53:00. | |
smaller classical liberal whng, if you will. That's basically how it is | :53:01. | :53:03. | |
split policy wise. I would suggest that what Ukip needs to do hs focus | :53:04. | :53:08. | |
on the next two years of no schism, get a leader, get the new ldader who | :53:09. | :53:13. | |
can bring all, all shades of opinion together in Ukip. Ukip can then be | :53:14. | :53:20. | |
on watch until Brexit reallx happens. And then, in two ydars | :53:21. | :53:25. | |
they can sit down and thrash out where they want to be in thd | :53:26. | :53:28. | |
clinical spectrum, which thdy haven't done yet. Nobody knows quite | :53:29. | :53:33. | |
where it fits in. Do you accept that point? There is a void perh`ps in | :53:34. | :53:38. | |
British politics for a Libertarian party that believes in small | :53:39. | :53:40. | |
government, because Theresa May whatever you think of her, gives to | :53:41. | :53:44. | |
believe that government is the solution and not the problel? I | :53:45. | :53:49. | |
think you saw it in the clip, the gentleman who said it is not seemly, | :53:50. | :53:52. | |
not great but it is good entertainment. I think that is not | :53:53. | :53:56. | |
what people want from the Glasgow party. They don't want | :53:57. | :53:59. | |
entertainment. We have important decisions were our country. I think | :54:00. | :54:02. | |
people are looking for a strong confident leadership. I agrde that | :54:03. | :54:08. | |
people want to make sure we deliver on exit and make a proper stccess of | :54:09. | :54:13. | |
it. Injuries may you have mx ministry was committed to that | :54:14. | :54:16. | |
cause. She is providing somd very strong leadership from the get go. | :54:17. | :54:21. | |
-- in Theresa May you have ` strong leader. People sometimes fedl the | :54:22. | :54:26. | |
system might not work for them and want to make sure it does. She is | :54:27. | :54:35. | |
firmly focused on that. Timd will tell, but the party were once part | :54:36. | :54:39. | |
of is in a leadership contest now. Who do you support? I think there is | :54:40. | :54:44. | |
only one person that can brhng the party together, because everybody | :54:45. | :54:48. | |
else, time though they may be, come from one of the schisms, if you | :54:49. | :54:52. | |
will. Dan Evans, who is part of this faction. You have other people who | :54:53. | :54:58. | |
are part of a faction. -- Stzanne Evans. You need someone who everyone | :54:59. | :55:03. | |
can support and not go off `nd a half and resign. The only pdrson who | :55:04. | :55:07. | |
can do that is Paul Nuttall, who had a tremendous run as party chairman. | :55:08. | :55:10. | |
A lot of the problems in Ukhp, because there have been no ,- has | :55:11. | :55:14. | |
been no serious party chairlan for the last ten years. You cannot run a | :55:15. | :55:17. | |
party without a decent chairman Paul Nuttall is a very popular, very | :55:18. | :55:23. | |
well read and very likeable in. He is the only man can do it. H'm sure | :55:24. | :55:26. | |
he will be glad of your endorsement. Here's David Tracz with a round up | :55:27. | :55:29. | |
of some of the week's Political differences have been put | :55:30. | :55:46. | |
aside in the campaign to stop AV services being moved from | :55:47. | :55:53. | |
Huddersfield to Halifax. Local MPs say health Minister Jeremy Hunt | :55:54. | :55:56. | |
should visit to see for himself while the plans agreed by hdalth | :55:57. | :56:01. | |
bosses this week our -- or wrong. Labour's Yvette Cooper has ` new | :56:02. | :56:07. | |
powerful job. The MP is the new chair of the Home Affairs Sdlect | :56:08. | :56:10. | |
Committee. She replaces Keith Vaz. She leaves MP Hilary Benn in charge | :56:11. | :56:16. | |
of the new Brexit committee. There is a devolution divide betwden local | :56:17. | :56:20. | |
and national politicians ovdr elected Mayor 's. J County Council | :56:21. | :56:25. | |
has voted against. Greater ligature city region said they don't want to | :56:26. | :56:28. | |
Mayor, something the governlent except -- insists is part of the | :56:29. | :56:34. | |
deal. The new Batley and Spdn MPS Tracy Braden, former actress and now | :56:35. | :56:37. | |
politician. She took 86% of the vote but only one quarter of the people | :56:38. | :56:43. | |
in the constituency but the polls. Tracey Braden joins us now. Welcome. | :56:44. | :56:50. | |
Low thank you. Graduations on your by-election victory. It all came | :56:51. | :56:53. | |
about due to the tragic events in the summer. Which you still have | :56:54. | :57:00. | |
hopes to be an MP had the Jo Cox tragedy not happened? All mx life I | :57:01. | :57:05. | |
have been a campaign as an `ctivist. Working per trade union rights | :57:06. | :57:10. | |
within equity, my union, and the writers Guild. I would cert`inly | :57:11. | :57:15. | |
continue that. I was obviously. . The circumstances were such that | :57:16. | :57:18. | |
when the Labour Party asked me to think about it, I have to think very | :57:19. | :57:22. | |
carefully. But also, campaigning with Joe and 2015 and against the | :57:23. | :57:27. | |
closures of libraries map she did say, Tracey, you should think about | :57:28. | :57:32. | |
maybe becoming an MP. When she was murders and there was a vactum, I | :57:33. | :57:39. | |
couldn't walk away from it. And it is my hometown. I am a local girl. | :57:40. | :57:45. | |
The committee asked me to do it and I couldn't walk away. Does ht bother | :57:46. | :57:50. | |
you that the turnout was down to 25%? A lot of the supporters of the | :57:51. | :57:53. | |
other main Westminster parthes seem to have stayed at home. It was a wet | :57:54. | :57:59. | |
Thursday in October. What rdally matters is that it is 86%. Ht is a | :58:00. | :58:04. | |
relief rate mandate. There `re lots of people I met on the doorstep you | :58:05. | :58:07. | |
don't normally votes, the normally vote Conservative and said, given | :58:08. | :58:13. | |
the circumstances that you have got the far right standing. What was a | :58:14. | :58:16. | |
tragedy for us they're seeing as some sort of opportunity to get the | :58:17. | :58:20. | |
division now better. We are actually going to vote for you. I was rarely | :58:21. | :58:23. | |
heartened by that. You might be right that the numbers are 20 would | :58:24. | :58:28. | |
see in a General Election, but you have got several parties knocking on | :58:29. | :58:31. | |
doors and getting people out. I m ready proud that the people of | :58:32. | :58:37. | |
Batley and Spen have chosen me to unite the community and movd | :58:38. | :58:43. | |
forward. You are relatively new MP. What can Tracey expect the new MP at | :58:44. | :58:48. | |
Westminster? I think probably a bit special and a bit different for | :58:49. | :58:51. | |
Tracey because she will comd in not quite on her own, that therd will be | :58:52. | :58:57. | |
a lot of focus and attention on her when she swears then on Monday. That | :58:58. | :59:02. | |
will be fantastic. She is following in the footsteps of someone who | :59:03. | :59:06. | |
everyone knows. I came behind William Hague. Tracy is following | :59:07. | :59:10. | |
behind Jo Cox. I think an extra sense of response ability to do your | :59:11. | :59:13. | |
job that much better, when xou follow someone who has set such a | :59:14. | :59:20. | |
high bar. You have got to bd yourself, is what I would s`y. You | :59:21. | :59:24. | |
can't be Joe, I can't be William. Be yourself and I'm sure you whll get | :59:25. | :59:29. | |
off to a cracking start. Wh`t advice would you give to somebody starting | :59:30. | :59:33. | |
out in politics? I would sthck to your conviction. Don't let people | :59:34. | :59:37. | |
rock your conviction. There aren't enough conviction politicians | :59:38. | :59:40. | |
around, in my view. Whatever you believe, you stick with it `nd don't | :59:41. | :59:44. | |
be bullied by party whips who have got eight -- you have a good seat | :59:45. | :59:48. | |
and you will do jolly well. My congratulations. You stay whth it. | :59:49. | :59:54. | |
You have a very successful rammer School in your constituency, where | :59:55. | :59:57. | |
Jo Cox went to school. I thhnk you went there as well. Will yot be | :59:58. | :00:00. | |
campaigning to stop more gr`mmar schools? I would say every parent | :00:01. | :00:08. | |
wants the best for their chhld. It is a fine grammar school. I would | :00:09. | :00:13. | |
say that, for some children, that division at a very young agd gives a | :00:14. | :00:17. | |
sense of failure that six of them for the rest of their lives. Both my | :00:18. | :00:23. | |
daughters go to a copper hands of. There is a real cross-section of the | :00:24. | :00:26. | |
community. You have young pdople who will go on to apprenticeships and | :00:27. | :00:29. | |
other young people who will go to Oxbridge. I think it gives xou a | :00:30. | :00:35. | |
real vision of the world's the view that you can be anything at achieve | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
anything. There is nobody rdally clamouring for more secondary | :00:40. | :00:44. | |
modern. We might debate that in detail at a later date. If xou can | :00:45. | :00:50. | |
achieve one thing, what would it be? Slow down the downgrade of Dewsbury | :00:51. | :00:56. | |
Hospital. It all seems that it Huddersfield goes the same way, we | :00:57. | :01:00. | |
are going to be without a dddicated A and it is really creating a lot | :01:01. | :01:05. | |
of unhappiness and stress. @re you part of the biggest sub of ,- and | :01:06. | :01:12. | |
now you were part of the biggest sub of all, Westminster politics. Thank | :01:13. | :01:13. | |
you. Thanks to our guests today, | :01:14. | :01:16. | |
Rishi Sunak, Godfrey Bloom `nd Tracy So, Brexit, airports, | :01:17. | :01:18. | |
Calais and the chances With what Rory Stewart was saying | :01:19. | :01:46. | |
there, it is clear that Islamic State is losing territory in Iraq | :01:47. | :01:50. | |
now, and could come under pressure in Syria as well. It used to control | :01:51. | :01:57. | |
a whole swathe of the coast of Libya, and is now down to a small | :01:58. | :02:06. | |
area of Sirte in Libya. But curiously, it could make them more | :02:07. | :02:09. | |
dangerous here if they are being driven out of the Maghreb and the | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
Levant, they could be more dangerous here. Discuss. That was a very | :02:14. | :02:18. | |
interesting admission from a government minister, of all people, | :02:19. | :02:23. | |
and a well-informed one. Chasing Isis around the Middle East is | :02:24. | :02:31. | |
about... Like chasing Al-Qaeda around Afghanistan and Pakistan You | :02:32. | :02:34. | |
smash them somewhere, and they pop up somewhere else. He is right to | :02:35. | :02:43. | |
warn that these guys will go somewhere. And it may well be, in | :02:44. | :02:55. | |
Sirte, for example, across the magic oration -- across the Mediterranean | :02:56. | :03:00. | |
into Italy. A lot of the foreign fighters in Mosul have already gone, | :03:01. | :03:03. | |
we heard, which raises the question, to where? I think it is quite right | :03:04. | :03:12. | |
for government ministers to warn that it might have repercussions | :03:13. | :03:17. | |
here. We have been involved in this, with full public consent, as far as | :03:18. | :03:21. | |
we can tell. If it doesn't happen, if there are horrors and outrages | :03:22. | :03:25. | |
here and in the rest of Europe, that's fine. If it does happen, at | :03:26. | :03:32. | |
least the government is prepared. We knew surprised about how categorical | :03:33. | :03:40. | |
Nia Griffith was? She was categorical about support for the | :03:41. | :03:46. | |
Allied action in Iraq, and categorical about Russia. So much so | :03:47. | :03:53. | |
that perhaps written should take tougher sanctions on its own, even | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
if it can't get the Europeans to fall in line. I found that | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
interesting. I was surprised by that. Tom may be right that Rory | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
said more than perhaps he was intending, but I thought that some | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
of what she said sounded politically imprudent in the current context of | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
the Labour Party. I'm not sure she cleared those lines with the Labour | :04:18. | :04:22. | |
office. I'm not sure she and Jeremy are in the same place about it. I'm | :04:23. | :04:27. | |
not sure there is that much leadership. People at the moment get | :04:28. | :04:30. | |
out there and say what they think it's right for the party. She | :04:31. | :04:35. | |
sounded dead right to me. Whether it is ill-advised or not, people should | :04:36. | :04:41. | |
answer... I want to move on, because Brexit never goes away. This week we | :04:42. | :04:47. | |
saw Hilary Benn, former Shadow Foreign Secretary. He is going to be | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
the chair of the select committee in the Commons which will monitor the | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
Department for Brexit. All sorts of people will be coming to give | :04:56. | :04:59. | |
testimony and so one. Let's hear what he told Andrew Marr. | :05:00. | :05:02. | |
I think it will be very important for the government to indicate that | :05:03. | :05:05. | |
if it is not possible within the two years provided for by Article 5 | :05:06. | :05:08. | |
to negotiate both our withdrawal agreement and a new trading | :05:09. | :05:11. | |
relationship, market access, including for services, | :05:12. | :05:12. | |
80% of our economy, million jobs, in financial services, | :05:13. | :05:14. | |
that it should tell the House of Commons that it will seek | :05:15. | :05:17. | |
a transitional arrangement with the European Union. | :05:18. | :05:23. | |
If the deal is not done at the end of the two-year Article 50 process, | :05:24. | :05:32. | |
would the government go for an interim agreement, or would it fall | :05:33. | :05:38. | |
back on WTO, World Trade Organisation, Rawls? My | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
understanding is the article 15 negotiation doesn't specifically | :05:43. | :05:45. | |
include what Britain's future trading relationship with the EU | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
would be. It is perfectly possible that Article 50 could be triggered, | :05:51. | :05:55. | |
and after two years we don't have a trade deal, but the trade deal | :05:56. | :06:00. | |
negotiations are ongoing when we are outside the EU. But the trade deal | :06:01. | :06:11. | |
negotiations are the most important thing. If Article 50 doesn't cover | :06:12. | :06:14. | |
it, what is it about? Absolutely essential. The trade deal with | :06:15. | :06:16. | |
Canada has taken nine years, and now it looks like it is fading, because | :06:17. | :06:24. | |
of the Walloons. Just one small part of the country. If you cannot do a | :06:25. | :06:33. | |
free-trade deal with Canada, a progressive, social Democratic | :06:34. | :06:36. | |
Canada, who can the EU do a trade deal with? You would think it would | :06:37. | :06:41. | |
be easy with us, because we have all of the level playing field | :06:42. | :06:45. | |
agreements in place. You would hope it would be easier, but it may not | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
be, because in the end, it will hinge on the single market and if we | :06:51. | :06:55. | |
are in or out. If we are in, can we have a small break on immigration? | :06:56. | :07:04. | |
It looks like not. What is interesting about the opinion polls | :07:05. | :07:06. | |
is, in the last two opinion polls there was a significant change in | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
public opinion, where people are now saying they think that actually | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
trade, the economy, the single market is more important than | :07:16. | :07:20. | |
immigration. If it is really true, as the observer is reporting today, | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
that banks are on the move, and in a year's time there could be a | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
significant collapse in the income we get from finance, the income that | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
the Treasury gets, then public opinion might change. They may say, | :07:34. | :07:45. | |
we don't want more immigration, but this isn't a price worth paying | :07:46. | :07:47. | |
Everything tends to be seen through the Brexit lens at the moment. | :07:48. | :07:55. | |
Things are not always as they seem. The Canadian- EU free trade | :07:56. | :07:58. | |
agreement was about increasing free trade between the EU and Canada and | :07:59. | :08:03. | |
therefore subject to the ratification of all members. Any | :08:04. | :08:07. | |
deal we do will not give us the same access we have at the moment. The | :08:08. | :08:13. | |
question is, how much will it be diminished? It may not be subject to | :08:14. | :08:19. | |
the same ratification process. Absolutely right. Another | :08:20. | :08:22. | |
unbelievably technical point that we still don't know is, if we can get | :08:23. | :08:28. | |
this free-trade deal with the EU at the same time as our Brexit talks | :08:29. | :08:33. | |
and deal, the divorce deal as well as the remarriage deal, then one | :08:34. | :08:41. | |
gets signed off by QM V. The trade deal may still need all 28, all 27, | :08:42. | :08:50. | |
including the people from the Walloons. And the MEPs. The majority | :08:51. | :08:56. | |
of parliament. This is exactly why Theresa May would like the | :08:57. | :09:00. | |
transitional deal to push this one deeper. I was surprised to hear | :09:01. | :09:04. | |
Hilary Benn pushing this line this morning. The remainers have been all | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
over the place. They wanted a vote after Article 50 had been triggered | :09:10. | :09:13. | |
about the deal. Then they wanted a vote before Article 50. Now they are | :09:14. | :09:22. | |
talking about a vote before article Article 50 is triggered about a | :09:23. | :09:26. | |
trade deal. They need to make up their minds about what it is they | :09:27. | :09:30. | |
are pushing for, and what their best hope of obstructing Brexit is, and | :09:31. | :09:36. | |
stick with it. Something else we see through the Brexit lens, which isn't | :09:37. | :09:41. | |
always helpful, is Calais. The French bulldozers will move in | :09:42. | :09:45. | |
tomorrow. We will see some pretty disturbing scenes on the TV. We will | :09:46. | :09:50. | |
see some horrible scenes. The government has handled this very | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
badly. Having passed an amendment in April saying we would take something | :09:55. | :10:00. | |
like 3000 children, a lot of those children have disappeared. Save the | :10:01. | :10:03. | |
Children, one of the charities there, are very worried that people | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
traffickers have been in there, and a lot of those children have | :10:08. | :10:15. | |
vanished. We haven't sent social workers in. No preparations have | :10:16. | :10:20. | |
been made what ever. You are raising an interesting point. We don't know | :10:21. | :10:26. | |
how many we are meant to be taking. The huge argument has arisen over | :10:27. | :10:30. | |
what the age is of some of the ones coming in. Is this another problem | :10:31. | :10:37. | |
for the Home Office? To some extent. Didn't Theresa May 's too well to | :10:38. | :10:43. | |
survive six weeks of this? Amber Rudd has been there for three | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
months. It is clear that the Home Office didn't prepare for this. They | :10:48. | :10:50. | |
didn't prepare for the age verification or when it will go It | :10:51. | :10:58. | |
needs to be an perfect. We don't know how many we will take, because | :10:59. | :11:04. | |
the Home Office will not say. I want to talk about airport capacity, but | :11:05. | :11:08. | |
I won't, because I don't think we have anything to say about it until | :11:09. | :11:14. | |
the statement on Tuesday from Transport Minister Grayling. When | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
you look at the polls and see the decision on airport runway expansion | :11:19. | :11:21. | |
being kicked into the long grass for a year, are we heading for an early | :11:22. | :11:26. | |
election next year or not? I think Theresa May will do everything she | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
can to avoid it. If there is an election before 2020, it is bound to | :11:32. | :11:39. | |
be about Europe, and that is a much harder case for her to win than just | :11:40. | :11:42. | |
a question of who is the best Prime Minister. She will have a tough | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
time, because it will be a general election about in or out of the | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
single market. Half of her party will peel away. How do she conduct a | :11:52. | :11:57. | |
general election when the likes of Anna Soubry will not stand on the | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
same platform? It will be difficult. But she may reach such a stalemate | :12:03. | :12:11. | |
that she just calls one. No general election next year because it will | :12:12. | :12:14. | |
split the Tory party. There will be won in 2019 when she cannot get | :12:15. | :12:18. | |
Brexit through the House of Commons. You really can have too much of a | :12:19. | :12:22. | |
good thing. I just want to show a little clip of the former Shadow | :12:23. | :12:27. | |
Chancellor, Ed Balls, from Strictly last night. Let's just watch this. | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
There he is. Where is the hand? That is the | :12:32. | :12:43. | |
worrying bit! We will no longer be saying that Ed Balls is a safe pair | :12:44. | :12:51. | |
of hands! Can we agree on that? Remarkable that he was once the man | :12:52. | :12:56. | |
most feared by David Cameron! Labour leader 2021. He has hit popular | :12:57. | :13:04. | |
culture in the way that many few politicians do. Charm, gusto, | :13:05. | :13:10. | |
bravery, no worries about being embarrassed. All the things that you | :13:11. | :13:17. | |
don't like about being a politician. We have run out of time. You can get | :13:18. | :13:19. | |
it on social media. Jo Coburn will be back | :13:20. | :13:22. | |
with the Daily Politics tomorrow And I'll be back here next | :13:23. | :13:24. | |
Sunday at the same time. Remember if it's Sunday, | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
it's the Sunday Politics. Everyone's living these | :13:29. | :14:02. | |
amazing lives, You're like a... | :14:03. | :14:04. | |
Different person? Delve deeper. | :14:05. | :14:15. | |
Ordinary Lives continues... They have something on me | :14:16. | :14:24. | |
that I can actually remember. They have something on me | :14:25. | :14:25. | |
that I can actually remember. The final chapter between | :14:26. | :14:30. | |
Gibson and Spector. | :14:31. | :14:34. |