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It's Sunday morning and this is the Sunday Politics. | :00:37. | :00:40. | |
The local election results made grim reading for Labour. | :00:41. | :00:43. | |
With just a month to go until the general election, | :00:44. | :00:47. | |
will promising to rule out tax rises for all but the well off help | :00:48. | :00:51. | |
The Conservatives have their own announcement on mental health, | :00:52. | :00:56. | |
as they strain every sinew to insist they don't think they've got | :00:57. | :00:59. | |
But is there still really all to play for? | :01:00. | :01:06. | |
And tonight we will find out who is the next | :01:07. | :01:10. | |
President of France - Emmanuel Macron or Marine Le Pen - | :01:11. | :01:14. | |
after an unpredictable campaign that ended with a hack attack | :01:15. | :01:17. | |
Later on the Sunday Politics in Yorkshire and Lincolnshire: | :01:18. | :01:19. | |
Ukip's leader Paul Nuttall assesses the damage after his party | :01:20. | :01:22. | |
is wiped out across our patch in the local elections. | :01:23. | :01:27. | |
potential impact in marginals next month. If Ukip support continues to | :01:28. | :01:30. | |
evaporate... And joining me for all of that, | :01:31. | :01:37. | |
three journalists ready to analyse the week's politics | :01:38. | :01:41. | |
with all the forensic focus of Diane Abbott | :01:42. | :01:44. | |
preparing for an interview, and all the relaxed, | :01:45. | :01:47. | |
slogan-free banter of Theresa May It's Janan Ganesh, Isabel Oakeshott | :01:48. | :01:49. | |
and Steve Richards. So, the Conservatives are promising, | :01:50. | :01:55. | |
if re-elected, to change mental health laws in England and Wales | :01:56. | :02:02. | |
to tackle discrimination, and they're promising 10,000 more | :02:03. | :02:05. | |
staff working in NHS mental health treatment in England by 2020 - | :02:06. | :02:11. | |
although how that's to be Here's Health Secretary | :02:12. | :02:14. | |
Jeremy Hunt speaking There is a lot of new | :02:15. | :02:16. | |
money going into it. In January, we said we were going | :02:17. | :02:24. | |
to put an extra ?1 billion Does this come from other parts | :02:25. | :02:27. | |
of the NHS, or is it No, it is new money | :02:28. | :02:31. | |
going into the NHS It's not just of course money, | :02:32. | :02:34. | |
it's having the people who deliver these jobs, | :02:35. | :02:42. | |
which is why we need Well, we're joined now from Norwich | :02:43. | :02:44. | |
by the Liberal Democrat health This weekend, they've launched | :02:45. | :02:48. | |
their own health announcement, promising a 1% rise on every income | :02:49. | :02:51. | |
tax band to fund the NHS. Do you welcome the Conservatives | :02:52. | :03:03. | |
putting mental health onto the campaign agenda in the way that they | :03:04. | :03:08. | |
have? I welcome it being on the campaign agenda but I do fear that | :03:09. | :03:13. | |
the announcement is built on thin air. You raised the issue at the | :03:14. | :03:18. | |
start about the 10,000 extra staff, and questions surrounding how it | :03:19. | :03:21. | |
would be paid for. There is no additional money on what they have | :03:22. | :03:27. | |
already announced for the NHS. We know it falls massively short on the | :03:28. | :03:33. | |
expectation of the funding gap which, by 2020, is likely to be | :03:34. | :03:37. | |
about 30 billion. That is not disputed now. Anyone outside of the | :03:38. | :03:42. | |
government, wherever you are on the political spectrum, knows the money | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
going in is simply not enough. So, rather like the claim that they | :03:47. | :03:55. | |
would add 5000 GPs to the workforce by 2020, that is not on target. | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
Latest figures show a fall in the number of GPs. They make these | :04:00. | :04:05. | |
claims, but I'm afraid they are without substance, unless they are | :04:06. | :04:09. | |
prepared to put money behind it. Your party's solution to the money | :04:10. | :04:14. | |
problem is to put a 1% percentage point on all of the bands of income | :04:15. | :04:25. | |
tax to raise more money 20-45. Is that unfair? Most pensioners who | :04:26. | :04:32. | |
consume 40% of NHS spending, but over 65s only pay about 20% of | :04:33. | :04:36. | |
income tax. Are you penalising the younger generations for the health | :04:37. | :04:41. | |
care of an older generation? It is the first step in what we are | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
describing as a 5-point recovery plan for the NHS and care system. | :04:46. | :04:51. | |
So, for what is available to us now, it seems to be the fairest way of | :04:52. | :04:57. | |
bringing in extra resources, income tax is progressive, and is based on | :04:58. | :05:00. | |
your ability to pay for your average British worker. It would be ?3 per | :05:01. | :05:05. | |
week which is the cost of less than two cups of coffee per week. In the | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
longer run, we say that by the end of the next Parliament, we would be | :05:11. | :05:15. | |
able to introduce a dedicated NHS and care tax. Based, probably, | :05:16. | :05:22. | |
around a reformed national insurance system, so it becomes a dedicated | :05:23. | :05:28. | |
NHS and care tax. Interestingly, the former permanent secretary of the | :05:29. | :05:31. | |
Treasury, Nick MacPherson, said clearly that this idea merits | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
further consideration which is the first time anyone for the Treasury | :05:37. | :05:42. | |
has bought into the idea of this. Let me ask you this. You say it is a | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
small amount of tax that people on average incomes will have to pay | :05:47. | :05:51. | |
extra. We are talking about people who have seen no real increases to | :05:52. | :05:56. | |
their income since 2007. They have been struggling to stand still in | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
terms of their own pay, but you are going to add to their tax, and as I | :06:02. | :06:06. | |
said earlier, most of the health care money will then go to | :06:07. | :06:10. | |
pensioners whose incomes have risen by 15%. I'm interested in the | :06:11. | :06:16. | |
fairness of this redistribution? Bearing in mind first of all, | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
Andrew, that the raising of the tax threshold that the Liberal Democrats | :06:22. | :06:27. | |
pushed through in the coalition increased the effective pay in your | :06:28. | :06:32. | |
pocket for basic rate taxpayers by about ?1000. We are talking about a | :06:33. | :06:37. | |
tiny fraction of that. I suppose that you do have to ask, all of us | :06:38. | :06:40. | |
in this country need to ask ourselves this question... Are we | :06:41. | :06:46. | |
prepared to pay, in terms of the average worker, about ?3 extra per | :06:47. | :06:51. | |
week to give us a guarantee that when our loved ones need that care, | :06:52. | :06:56. | |
in their hour of need, perhaps suspected cancer, that care will be | :06:57. | :07:01. | |
available for them? I have heard two cases recently brought my attention. | :07:02. | :07:06. | |
An elderly couple, the wife has a very bad hip. They could not allow | :07:07. | :07:10. | |
the weight to continue. She was told that she would need to wait 26 | :07:11. | :07:15. | |
weeks, she was in acute pain. They then deduct paying ?20,000 for | :07:16. | :07:18. | |
private treatment to circumvent waiting time. They hated doing it, | :07:19. | :07:24. | |
because they did not want to jump the queue. But that is what is | :07:25. | :07:29. | |
increasingly happening. Sorry to interrupt, Norman Lamb comedy make | :07:30. | :07:32. | |
very good points but we are short on time today. One final question, it | :07:33. | :07:38. | |
looks like you might have the chance to do any of this, I'm told the best | :07:39. | :07:43. | |
you can hope to do internally is to double the number of seats you have, | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
which would only take you to 18. Do you think that promising to raise | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
people's income tax, even those on average earnings, is a vote winner? | :07:54. | :07:58. | |
I think the people in this country are crying out for politicians to be | :07:59. | :08:01. | |
straight and tenet as it is. At the moment we heading towards a | :08:02. | :08:08. | |
Conservative landslide... -- tell it as it is. But do we want a 1-party | :08:09. | :08:13. | |
state? We are electing a government not only to deal with the crucial | :08:14. | :08:18. | |
Brexit negotiations, but oversee the stewardship of the NHS and funding | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
of our schools, all of these critical issues. We need an | :08:23. | :08:25. | |
effective opposition and with the Labour Party having taken itself off | :08:26. | :08:30. | |
stage, the Liberal Democrats need to provide an effective opposition. | :08:31. | :08:33. | |
Norman Lamb, thank you for joining us this morning. Thank you. | :08:34. | :08:37. | |
Labour and Tories are anxious to stress the general election | :08:38. | :08:41. | |
result is not a foregone conclusion, whatever the polls say. | :08:42. | :08:43. | |
Order you just heard Norman Lamb say there that he thought the | :08:44. | :08:47. | |
Conservatives were heading for a landslide... | :08:48. | :08:50. | |
But did Thursday's dramatic set of local election results | :08:51. | :08:52. | |
in England, Scotland and Wales give us a better idea of how the country | :08:53. | :08:56. | |
Here's Emma Vardy with a behind-the-scenes look at how | :08:57. | :08:59. | |
Good morning, it's seven o'clock on Friday, May 5th... | :09:00. | :09:03. | |
The dawn of another results day. Anticipation hung in the air. | :09:04. | :09:08. | |
Early results from the local elections in England suggest | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
there's been a substantial swing from Labour to the Conservatives. | :09:14. | :09:16. | |
While the pros did their thing, I needed breakfast. | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
Don't tell anyone, but I'm going to pinch a sausage. | :09:20. | :09:22. | |
The overnight counts had delivered successes for the Tories. | :09:23. | :09:24. | |
But with most councils only getting started, | :09:25. | :09:26. | |
there was plenty of action still to come. | :09:27. | :09:31. | |
It's not quite the night of Labour's nightmares. | :09:32. | :09:33. | |
There's enough mixed news in Wales, for example - | :09:34. | :09:35. | |
looks like they're about to hold Cardiff - that they'll try and put | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
But in really simple terms, four weeks from a general election, | :09:40. | :09:46. | |
the Tories are going forward and Labour are going backwards. | :09:47. | :09:48. | |
How does it compare being in here to doing the telly? | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
Huw, how do you prepare yourself for a long day of results, then? | :09:54. | :10:00. | |
We're not even on air yet, as you can see, and already | :10:01. | :10:05. | |
in Tory HQ this morning, there's a kind of, "Oh, | :10:06. | :10:08. | |
I'm scared this will make people think the election's just | :10:09. | :10:11. | |
I think leave it like that - perfect. | :10:12. | :10:14. | |
I want the Laura look. This is really good, isn't it? | :10:15. | :10:17. | |
Usually, we're in here for the Daily Politics. | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
But it's been transformed for the Election Results programme. | :10:22. | :10:27. | |
But hours went by without Ukip winning a single seat. | :10:28. | :10:38. | |
The joke going around Lincolnshire County Council today | :10:39. | :10:45. | |
from the Conservatives is that the Tories have eaten | :10:46. | :10:47. | |
We will rebrand and come back strong. | :10:48. | :10:50. | |
Morale, I think, is inevitably going to take a bit of a tumble. | :10:51. | :10:56. | |
Particularly if Theresa May starts backsliding on Brexit. | :10:57. | :10:59. | |
And then I think we will be totally reinvigorated. | :11:00. | :11:02. | |
There are a lot of good people in Ukip and I wouldn't | :11:03. | :11:04. | |
want to say anything unkind, but we all know it's over. | :11:05. | :11:07. | |
Ukip press officer. Difficult job. | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
Ukip weren't the only ones putting a brave face on it. | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
Labour were experiencing their own disaster day too, | :11:17. | :11:18. | |
losing hundreds of seats and seven councils. | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
If the result is what these results appear to indicate, | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
Can we have a quick word for the Sunday Politics? | :11:28. | :11:31. | |
A quick question for Sunday Politics - how are you feeling? | :11:32. | :11:39. | |
Downhearted or fired up for June? Fired up, absolutely fired up. | :11:40. | :11:44. | |
He's fired up. We're going to go out there... | :11:45. | :11:46. | |
We cannot go on with another five years of this. | :11:47. | :11:48. | |
How's it been for you today? Tiring. | :11:49. | :11:51. | |
It always is, but I love elections, I really enjoy them. | :11:52. | :11:54. | |
Yes, you know, obviously we're disappointed at some of the results, | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
it's been a mixed bag, but some opinion polls | :12:00. | :12:01. | |
and commentators predicted we'd be wiped out - we haven't. | :12:02. | :12:06. | |
As for the Lib Dems, not the resurgence they hoped for, | :12:07. | :12:08. | |
After a dead heat in Northumberland, the control of a whole council came | :12:09. | :12:17. | |
The section of England in which we had elections yesterday | :12:18. | :12:25. | |
was the section of England that was most likely to vote Leave. | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
When you go to sleep at night, do you just have election results | :12:30. | :12:32. | |
The answer is if that's still happening, I don't get to sleep. | :12:33. | :12:39. | |
There we go. Maybe practice some yoga... | :12:40. | :12:40. | |
Thank you very much but I have one here. | :12:41. | :12:45. | |
With the introduction of six regional mayors, | :12:46. | :12:48. | |
Labour's Andy Burnham became Mr Manchester. | :12:49. | :12:51. | |
But by the time Corbyn came to celebrate, the new mayor | :12:52. | :12:54. | |
We want you to stay for a second because I've got some | :12:55. | :13:00. | |
I used to present news, as you probably know. | :13:01. | :13:03. | |
I used to present BBC Breakfast in the morning. | :13:04. | :13:05. | |
The SNP had notable successes, ending 40 years of Labour | :13:06. | :13:08. | |
What did you prefer - presenting or politics? | :13:09. | :13:14. | |
And it certainly had been a hard day at the office for some. | :13:15. | :13:21. | |
Ukip's foothold in local government was all but wiped out, | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
leaving the Conservatives with their best local | :13:26. | :13:27. | |
So another election results day draws to a close. | :13:28. | :13:32. | |
But don't worry, we'll be doing it all again in five weeks' time. | :13:33. | :13:35. | |
For now, though, that's your lot. Off you go. | :13:36. | :13:38. | |
Now let's look at some of Thursday's results in a little more detail, | :13:39. | :13:50. | |
and what they might mean for the wider fortunes | :13:51. | :13:53. | |
In England, there were elections for 34 councils. | :13:54. | :14:05. | |
The Conservatives took control of ten of them, | :14:06. | :14:07. | |
gaining over 300 seats, while Labour sustained | :14:08. | :14:08. | |
While the Lib Dems lost 28 seats, Ukip came close to extinction, | :14:09. | :14:14. | |
and can now boast of only one councillor in the whole of England. | :14:15. | :14:19. | |
In Scotland, the big story was Labour losing | :14:20. | :14:21. | |
a third of their seats, and control of three councils - | :14:22. | :14:24. | |
while the Tories more than doubled their number of councillors. | :14:25. | :14:26. | |
In Wales, both the Conservatives and Plaid Cymru made gains, | :14:27. | :14:31. | |
There was some encouraging news for Jeremy Corbyn's party | :14:32. | :14:36. | |
after Liverpool and Manchester both elected Labour mayors, | :14:37. | :14:38. | |
although the Tories narrowly won the West Midlands mayoral race. | :14:39. | :14:46. | |
We're joined now by who else but elections expert John Curtice. | :14:47. | :14:48. | |
You saw him in Emma's film, he's now back in Glasgow. | :14:49. | :14:52. | |
In broad terms, what do these local election results tell us about the | :14:53. | :15:05. | |
general election result? First we have to remember what Theresa May | :15:06. | :15:10. | |
wants to achieve in the general election is a landslide, and winning | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
a landslide means you have to win big in terms of votes. The local | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
election results certainly suggest Theresa May is well on course to win | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
the general election, at least with four weeks to go, and of course | :15:23. | :15:26. | |
people could change their minds. We all agree the Conservatives were | :15:27. | :15:29. | |
double-digit figures ahead of Labour in these elections. However, whereas | :15:30. | :15:34. | |
the opinion polls on average at the moment suggest there is a 17 point | :15:35. | :15:42. | |
Conservative lead, and that definitely would deliver a | :15:43. | :15:43. | |
landslide, it seems the local election figures, at least in | :15:44. | :15:46. | |
England, are pointing to something close to an 11 point Conservative | :15:47. | :15:50. | |
lead. That increase would not necessarily deliver a landslide that | :15:51. | :15:56. | |
she wants. The truth is, the next four weeks are probably not about | :15:57. | :16:00. | |
who wins this election unless something dramatic changes, but | :16:01. | :16:04. | |
there is still a battle as to whether or not Theresa May achieves | :16:05. | :16:07. | |
her objective of winning a landslide. She has to win big. The | :16:08. | :16:12. | |
local elections as she is not sure to be there, and therefore she is | :16:13. | :16:16. | |
going to have to campaign hard. Equally, while Labour did have most | :16:17. | :16:21. | |
prospect of winning, they still at least at the goal of trying to keep | :16:22. | :16:25. | |
the conservative majority relatively low, and therefore the Parliamentary | :16:26. | :16:29. | |
Labour Party are alive and kicking. Interesting that the local election | :16:30. | :16:33. | |
results don't produce a landslide if replicated on June 8th, but when I | :16:34. | :16:38. | |
looked at when local elections had taken place a month before the | :16:39. | :16:44. | |
general election, it was in 1983 and 1987. The Tories did well in both | :16:45. | :16:48. | |
local elections in these years, but come the general election, they | :16:49. | :16:51. | |
added five points to their share of the vote. No reason it should happen | :16:52. | :16:56. | |
again, but if it did, that would take them into landslide territory. | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
Absolutely right, if they do five points better than the local | :17:01. | :17:04. | |
elections, they are in landslide territory. We have to remember, in | :17:05. | :17:10. | |
1983, the Labour Party ran an inept campaign and their support ballet. | :17:11. | :17:15. | |
In 1987, David Owen and David Steele could not keep to the same lines. -- | :17:16. | :17:21. | |
their support fell away. That underlines how well the opposition | :17:22. | :17:24. | |
campaign in the next four weeks does potentially matter in terms of | :17:25. | :17:28. | |
Theresa May's ability to achieve their objective. It is worth | :17:29. | :17:33. | |
noticing in the opinion polls, two things have happened, first, Ukip | :17:34. | :17:37. | |
voters, a significant slice going to the Conservatives, which helped to | :17:38. | :17:40. | |
increase the Conservative leader in the bowels. But in the last week, | :17:41. | :17:44. | |
the Labour vote seems to have recovered. -- in the polls. So the | :17:45. | :17:49. | |
party is not that far short of what Ed Miliband got in 2015, so the | :17:50. | :17:55. | |
Conservative leader is back down to 16 or 17, as we started. So we | :17:56. | :17:59. | |
should not necessarily presume Labour are going to go backwards in | :18:00. | :18:05. | |
the way they did in 1983. I want to finish by asking if there are deeper | :18:06. | :18:10. | |
forces at work? Whether the referendum in this country is | :18:11. | :18:13. | |
producing a realignment in British politics. The Scottish referendum | :18:14. | :18:17. | |
has produced a kind of realignment in Scotland. And in a different way, | :18:18. | :18:22. | |
the Brexit referendum has produced a realignment in England and Wales. Do | :18:23. | :18:29. | |
you agree? You are quite right. Referendums are potentially | :18:30. | :18:32. | |
disruptive in Scotland, they helped to ensure the constitutional | :18:33. | :18:35. | |
question became the central issue, and the 45% who voted yes our been | :18:36. | :18:40. | |
faithful to the SNP since. Although the SNP put in a relatively | :18:41. | :18:44. | |
disappointing performance in Scotland on Thursday. Equally, south | :18:45. | :18:49. | |
of the border, on the leave side, in the past 12 months and particularly | :18:50. | :18:53. | |
the last few weeks, the Conservatives have corralled the | :18:54. | :18:58. | |
leave vote, about two thirds of those who voted leave now say they | :18:59. | :19:02. | |
will vote Conservative. Last summer, the figure was only 50%. On the | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
remain side, the vote is still fragmented. The reason why Theresa | :19:08. | :19:16. | |
May is in the strong position she is is not simply because the leave vote | :19:17. | :19:20. | |
has been realigned, but the remain vote has not. Thank you for joining | :19:21. | :19:28. | |
us. You can go through polls and wonder who is up and down, but I | :19:29. | :19:32. | |
wonder whether the Scottish and Brexit referendums have produced | :19:33. | :19:37. | |
fundamental changes. In Scotland, the real division now is between the | :19:38. | :19:45. | |
centre-left Nationalist party and the centre-right Unionist party. | :19:46. | :19:49. | |
That has had the consequence of squeezing out Labour in the | :19:50. | :19:53. | |
argument, never mind the Greens and the Lib Dems. In London, England, | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
Wales, the Brexit referendum seems to have produced a realignment of | :19:59. | :20:04. | |
the right to the Tories' advantage, and some trouble for the Labour blue | :20:05. | :20:13. | |
vote -- blue-collar vote. It works for the pro Brexit end of the | :20:14. | :20:19. | |
spectrum but not the other half. In the last century, we had people like | :20:20. | :20:23. | |
Roy Jenkins dreaming of and writing about the realignment of British | :20:24. | :20:26. | |
politics as though it could be consciously engineered, and in fact | :20:27. | :20:30. | |
what made it happen was just the calling of a referendum. It's not | :20:31. | :20:35. | |
something you can put about as a politician, it flows from below, | :20:36. | :20:38. | |
when the public begin to think of politics in terms of single issues, | :20:39. | :20:44. | |
dominant issues, such as leaving the European Union. Rather than a broad | :20:45. | :20:48. | |
spectrum designed by a political class. I wonder whether now Remain | :20:49. | :20:54. | |
have it in them to coalesce behind a single party. It doesn't look like | :20:55. | :20:58. | |
they can do it behind Labour. The Liberal Democrats are frankly too | :20:59. | :21:00. | |
small in Parliament to constitute that kind of force. The closest | :21:01. | :21:06. | |
thing to a powerful Remain party is the SNP which by definition has | :21:07. | :21:10. | |
limited appeal south of the border. It is hard. The realignment. We | :21:11. | :21:16. | |
don't know if it is permanent or how dramatic it will be, but there is | :21:17. | :21:20. | |
some kind of realignment going on. At the moment, it seems to be a | :21:21. | :21:24. | |
realignment that by and large is to the benefit of the Conservatives. | :21:25. | :21:29. | |
Without a doubt, and that can be directly attributed to the | :21:30. | :21:32. | |
disappearance of Ukip from the political landscape. I have been | :21:33. | :21:35. | |
saying since the referendum that I thought Ukip was finished. They | :21:36. | :21:40. | |
still seem to be staggering on under the illusion... Some people may have | :21:41. | :21:44. | |
picked up on Nigel Farage this morning saying that Ukip still had a | :21:45. | :21:48. | |
strong role to play until Brexit actually happens. But I think it's | :21:49. | :21:52. | |
very, very hard to convince the voters of that, because they feel | :21:53. | :21:56. | |
that, with the result of the referendum, that was Ukip's job | :21:57. | :21:59. | |
done. And those votes are not going to delay the party -- to the Labour | :22:00. | :22:05. | |
Party because of the flaws with Jeremy Corbyn's leadership, they are | :22:06. | :22:10. | |
shifting to the Tories. I agree. The key issue was the referendum. It has | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
produced a fundamental change that few predicted at the time it was | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
called. Most fundamental of all, it has brought about a unity in the | :22:20. | :22:23. | |
Conservative Party. With some exceptions, but they are now off | :22:24. | :22:27. | |
editing the Evening Standard and other things! This is now a party | :22:28. | :22:33. | |
united around Brexit. Since 1992, the Tories have been split over | :22:34. | :22:39. | |
Europe, at times fatally so. The referendum, in ways that David | :22:40. | :22:41. | |
Cameron did not anticipate, has brought about a united front for | :22:42. | :22:46. | |
this election. In a way, this is a sequel to the referendum, because | :22:47. | :22:50. | |
it's about Brexit but we still don't know what form Brexit is going to | :22:51. | :22:54. | |
take. By calling it early, Theresa May has in effect got another go at | :22:55. | :23:00. | |
a kind of Brexit referendum without knowing what Brexit is, with a | :23:01. | :23:04. | |
united Tory party behind her. We shall see if it is a blip or a | :23:05. | :23:06. | |
long-term trend in British politics. Now let's turn to Labour's big | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
campaign announcement today, and that was the promise of no | :23:11. | :23:12. | |
income tax rise for those earning less than ?80,000 - | :23:13. | :23:15. | |
which of course means those earning more than that could | :23:16. | :23:17. | |
face an increase. Here's Shadow Chancellor John | :23:18. | :23:19. | |
McDonell on the BBC earlier. What we are saying today, anyone | :23:20. | :23:28. | |
earning below ?80,000, we will guarantee you will not have an | :23:29. | :23:33. | |
increase in income tax, VAT or national insurance contributions. | :23:34. | :23:36. | |
For those above 80,000, we are asking them to pay a modest bit more | :23:37. | :23:41. | |
to fund our public services. A modest bit. You will see it will be | :23:42. | :23:45. | |
a modest increase. Talking about modest increases, so we can have a | :23:46. | :23:52. | |
society which we believe everyone shares the benefits of. | :23:53. | :23:54. | |
We're joined now by Shadow Justice Secretary Richard Burgon, in Leeds. | :23:55. | :24:00. | |
Mr McDonnell stressed that for those earning over 80,000, they would be | :24:01. | :24:06. | |
paying more but it would be modest. He used the word modest 45 times. | :24:07. | :24:11. | |
But there is only 1.2 million of them. -- 4-5 times. So that would | :24:12. | :24:18. | |
not raise much money. This is about the key part of this tax policy for | :24:19. | :24:24. | |
the many, not the few. We are saying that low earners and middle earners | :24:25. | :24:27. | |
won't be paying more tax under a Labour government, which is not a | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
policy the Conservatives have committed to yet. As John McDonnell | :24:33. | :24:35. | |
also said in his interview earlier, if there is a tax rise on the top 5% | :24:36. | :24:43. | |
of earners, earning over ?80,000, it would be a modest rise. I am trying | :24:44. | :24:48. | |
to work out what that would mean in terms of money. If it is too modest, | :24:49. | :24:54. | |
you don't raise much. What will happen is the Labour Party's | :24:55. | :24:57. | |
manifesto, published in the next couple of weeks, wilfully set out | :24:58. | :25:02. | |
and cost it. I can't make an announcement now. -- will fully set | :25:03. | :25:12. | |
out and cost it. Moving on to the local elections, Mr Corbyn says he | :25:13. | :25:15. | |
is closing the gap with the Tories. What evidence is there? John Curtis | :25:16. | :25:21. | |
just said there was an 11% gap in the results, Labour 11% behind. The | :25:22. | :25:26. | |
polls before that suggested Labour were anything up to 20% behind. Was | :25:27. | :25:32. | |
it a great day for Labour? Certainly not. Is there a lot to do between | :25:33. | :25:37. | |
now and June? Sure, but we are relishing every moment of that. | :25:38. | :25:42. | |
Comparing equivalent elections in 2013, the Tories increased their | :25:43. | :25:47. | |
share of the vote by 13%. You lost 2%. That's a net of 15%. In what way | :25:48. | :25:56. | |
is that closing the gap? We have gone down to 11 points behind. Am I | :25:57. | :26:03. | |
satisfied? Certainly not. Is Labour satisfied? Certainly not. A week is | :26:04. | :26:08. | |
a long time in politics, 4-5 weeks is even longer. The local elections | :26:09. | :26:12. | |
are over, the general election campaign is starting, and we want to | :26:13. | :26:16. | |
put out there the policies that will improve the lives of low and middle | :26:17. | :26:21. | |
income earners. And also many people looking to be well off as well. You | :26:22. | :26:27. | |
lost 133 seats in Scotland. Are you closing the gap in Scotland? The | :26:28. | :26:32. | |
journey back for Labour in Scotland, I always thought, wouldn't be an | :26:33. | :26:36. | |
easy one. Since the council election results and Scotland that we are | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
comparing this to, there has been an independence referendum and the | :26:41. | :26:44. | |
terrible results for Labour in the 2015 general election. So it is a | :26:45. | :26:49. | |
challenge, but one hundreds of thousands of Labour members are | :26:50. | :26:53. | |
determined to meet. That is why we're talking about bread and butter | :26:54. | :26:55. | |
policies to make people's lives better. These local elections took | :26:56. | :27:03. | |
place midtown. Normally mid-term was the worst time for a government. -- | :27:04. | :27:09. | |
took place midterm. And the best for an opposition. That is a feature of | :27:10. | :27:15. | |
British politics. So why did you lose 382 councillors in a midterm | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
election? As Andy Burnham said when he gave his acceptance speech after | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
his terrific first ballot result win in Manchester, it was an evening of | :27:26. | :27:30. | |
mixed results for Labour. Generally bad, wasn't it? Why did you lose all | :27:31. | :27:35. | |
of these councillors midterm? It is not a welcome result for Labour, I | :27:36. | :27:39. | |
am not going to be deluded. But what I and the Labour Party are focused | :27:40. | :27:44. | |
on is the next four weeks. And how we are going to put across policies | :27:45. | :27:48. | |
like free school meals for primary school children, ?10 an hour minimum | :27:49. | :27:54. | |
wage, the pledge not to increase tax for low and middle earners, 95% of | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
earners in this country. And saving the NHS from privatisation and | :28:00. | :28:03. | |
funding it properly. These are just some of the policies, including by | :28:04. | :28:07. | |
the way a boost in carers' allowance, that will make the lives | :28:08. | :28:12. | |
of people in Britain better off. Labour are for the many, not for the | :28:13. | :28:18. | |
few. But people like from political parties aspiring to government is to | :28:19. | :28:22. | |
be united and to be singing from the same song sheet among the leaders. | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
You mentioned Andy Burnham. Why did he not join Mr Corbyn when Jeremy | :28:27. | :28:31. | |
Corbyn went to the rally in Manchester on Friday to celebrate | :28:32. | :28:36. | |
his victory? First of all, Andy Burnham did a radio interview | :28:37. | :28:40. | |
straight after his great victory in which he said Jeremy Corbyn helped | :28:41. | :28:43. | |
him to win votes in that election. Why didn't he turn up? As to the | :28:44. | :28:50. | |
reason Andy Burnham wasn't there at the meeting Jeremy was doing in | :28:51. | :28:56. | |
Manchester, it was because, I understand, Andy was booked into | :28:57. | :28:59. | |
celebrate his victory with his family that night. I don't begrudge | :29:00. | :29:04. | |
him that and hopefully you don't. The leader has made the effort to | :29:05. | :29:07. | |
travel to Manchester to celebrate one of the few victories you enjoyed | :29:08. | :29:11. | |
on Thursday, surely you would join the leader and celebrate together? | :29:12. | :29:16. | |
Well, I don't regard, and I am sure you don't, Andy Burnham a nice time | :29:17. | :29:20. | |
with his family... -- I don't begrudge. He made it clear Jeremy | :29:21. | :29:27. | |
Corbyn assisted him. I can see you are not convinced yourself. I am | :29:28. | :29:35. | |
convinced. The outgoing Labour leader in Derbyshire lost his seat | :29:36. | :29:39. | |
on Thursday, you lost Derbyshire, which was a surprise in itself... He | :29:40. | :29:45. | |
said that genuine party supporters said they were not voting Labour | :29:46. | :29:49. | |
while you have Jeremy Corbyn as leader. Are you hearing that on the | :29:50. | :29:55. | |
doorstep too? I have been knocking on hundreds of doors this week in my | :29:56. | :30:00. | |
constituency and elsewhere. And of course, you never get every single | :30:01. | :30:03. | |
voter thinking the leader of any political party is the greatest | :30:04. | :30:09. | |
thing since sliced bread. But it's only on a minority of doorsteps that | :30:10. | :30:14. | |
people are criticising the Labour leader. Most people aren't even | :30:15. | :30:18. | |
talking about these questions. Most people are talking about Jeremy | :30:19. | :30:23. | |
Corbyn's policies, free primary school meals, ?10 an hour minimum | :30:24. | :30:30. | |
wage. Also policies such as paternity pay, maternity pay and | :30:31. | :30:32. | |
sickness pay for the self-employed, that have been hard-pressed under | :30:33. | :30:36. | |
this government. So I don't recognise that pitch of despondency, | :30:37. | :30:39. | |
but I understand that in different areas, in local elections, | :30:40. | :30:45. | |
perspectives are different. That was Derbyshire. The outgoing Labour | :30:46. | :30:49. | |
leader of Nottinghamshire County Council said there was concern on | :30:50. | :30:52. | |
the doorstep about whether Jeremy Corbyn was the right person to lead | :30:53. | :30:58. | |
the Labour Party, and even Rotherham, loyal to Mr Corbyn, won | :30:59. | :31:02. | |
the mail contest in Liverpool, he said that the Labour leader was more | :31:03. | :31:08. | |
might on the doorstep. -- the mayor contest. Does that explain some of | :31:09. | :31:12. | |
the performance on Thursday? I am confident that in the next four | :31:13. | :31:16. | |
weeks, when we get into coverage on television, that people will see | :31:17. | :31:21. | |
further the kind of open leadership Jeremy provides. In contrast to | :31:22. | :31:25. | |
Theresa May's refusal to meet ordinary people. She came to my | :31:26. | :31:29. | |
constituency and I don't think that a single person who lives here. And | :31:30. | :31:33. | |
also she is ducking the chance to debate with Jeremy Corbyn on TV. She | :31:34. | :31:37. | |
should do it and let the people decide. I don't know why she won't. | :31:38. | :31:43. | |
Finally, the Labour mantra is that you are the party of the ordinary | :31:44. | :31:48. | |
people, why is it the case that among what advertisers call C2s, D | :31:49. | :32:01. | |
and E', how can you on the pulse of that social group, how can you do | :32:02. | :32:07. | |
that? Our policy is to assist, protect and improve the living | :32:08. | :32:11. | |
standards of people in those groups and our policy is to protect the | :32:12. | :32:15. | |
living standards of the majority... They do not seem to be convinced? We | :32:16. | :32:19. | |
have four weeks to convince them and I believe that we will. Thank you | :32:20. | :32:21. | |
for coming onto the programme. But the wooden spoon from Thursday's | :32:22. | :32:24. | |
elections undoubtedly went to Ukip. Four years ago the party | :32:25. | :32:30. | |
won its best ever local government performance, | :32:31. | :32:32. | |
but this time its support just Ukip's share of the vote | :32:33. | :32:34. | |
plunging by as much as 18 points, most obviously | :32:35. | :32:37. | |
benefiting the Conservatives. So is it all over for | :32:38. | :32:41. | |
the self-styled people's army? Well we're joined now | :32:42. | :32:44. | |
by the party's leader in the Welsh Assembly, | :32:45. | :32:45. | |
Neil Hamilton, he's in Cardiff. Neil Hamilton, welcome. Ukip | :32:46. | :32:56. | |
finished local elections gaining the same number of councillors as the | :32:57. | :33:00. | |
Rubbish Party, one. That sums up your prospects, doesn't | :33:01. | :33:06. | |
it? Rubbish? We have been around a long time and seemed that I'd go | :33:07. | :33:12. | |
out, go in again, we will keep calm and carry on. We are in a phoney | :33:13. | :33:17. | |
war, negotiations on Brexit have not started but what we know from | :33:18. | :33:21. | |
Theresa May is that in seven years, as Home Secretary and Prime | :33:22. | :33:24. | |
Minister, she has completely failed to control immigration which was one | :33:25. | :33:28. | |
of the great driving forces behind the Brexit result. I'm not really | :33:29. | :33:35. | |
looking for any great success in immigration from the Tories, and a | :33:36. | :33:38. | |
lot of people who have previously voted for Ukip will be back in our | :33:39. | :33:42. | |
part of the field again. They don't seem to care about that at the | :33:43. | :33:48. | |
moment, your party lost 147 council seats. You gain one. It is time to | :33:49. | :33:53. | |
shut up shop, isn't it? You are right, the voters are not focusing | :33:54. | :33:57. | |
on other domestic issues at the moment. They have made up their | :33:58. | :34:00. | |
minds going into these negotiations in Brussels, Theresa May, as Prime | :34:01. | :34:06. | |
Minister, needs as much support as she can get. I think they are wrong | :34:07. | :34:10. | |
in this respect, it would be better to have a cohort of Ukip MPs to back | :34:11. | :34:16. | |
her up. She was greatly helped by the intervention of Mr Juncker last | :34:17. | :34:22. | |
week as well, the stupidity in how the European Commission has tried to | :34:23. | :34:26. | |
bully the British government, in those circumstances the British | :34:27. | :34:29. | |
people will react in one way going the opposite way to what the | :34:30. | :34:34. | |
Brussels establishment one. She has been fortunate as an acute tactician | :34:35. | :34:38. | |
in having the election now. I struggle to see the way back for | :34:39. | :34:42. | |
your party. You aren't a threat to the Tories in the south. Ukip voters | :34:43. | :34:47. | |
are flocking to the Tories in the south. You don't threaten Labour in | :34:48. | :34:51. | |
the north. It is the Tories who threaten Labour now in the north. | :34:52. | :34:55. | |
There is no room to progress, is there? The reality will be is that | :34:56. | :35:01. | |
once we are back on the domestic agenda again, and the Brexit | :35:02. | :35:05. | |
negotiations are concluded, we will know what the outcome is. And the | :35:06. | :35:11. | |
focus will be on bread and butter issues. We have all sorts of | :35:12. | :35:14. | |
policies in our programme which other parties cannot match us on. | :35:15. | :35:20. | |
The talk is putting up taxes to help the health service, we would scrap | :35:21. | :35:24. | |
the foreign aid budget and put another ?8 billion in the health | :35:25. | :35:27. | |
service, no other party says that. These policies would be popular with | :35:28. | :35:33. | |
the ordinary working person. Is Paul Nuttall to blame on the meltdown of | :35:34. | :35:37. | |
what happened, no matter who is leader? These are cosmic forces | :35:38. | :35:40. | |
beyond the control of any individual at the moment, it is certainly not | :35:41. | :35:44. | |
Paul Nuttall's .com he's been in the job for six months and in half that | :35:45. | :35:50. | |
time he was fighting a by-election -- certainly not Paul Nuttall's | :35:51. | :35:55. | |
fault. We have two become more professional than we have been | :35:56. | :35:59. | |
recently. It has not been a brilliant year for Ukip one way or | :36:00. | :36:04. | |
another, as you know, but there are prospects, in future, that are very | :36:05. | :36:07. | |
rosy. I do not believe that the Tories will deliver on other | :36:08. | :36:12. | |
promises that they are now making. The Welsh assembly elections are not | :36:13. | :36:16. | |
until 2021, you are a member of that, but at that point you will not | :36:17. | :36:20. | |
have any MEPs, because we will be out on the timetable. With this | :36:21. | :36:26. | |
current showing he will have no end', you could be Ukip's most | :36:27. | :36:32. | |
senior elected representative. That would be a turnout for the books! -- | :36:33. | :36:40. | |
no elected MPs. The Tories are not promoting the policies that I | :36:41. | :36:44. | |
believe them. You will see that in the Ukip manifesto when it is | :36:45. | :36:49. | |
shortly publish... Leaders talk mainly about the male genital | :36:50. | :36:59. | |
mutilation and is -- female and burqas. No, when the manifesto | :37:00. | :37:04. | |
launched, we have a lot of policies, I spoke moments ago about it, but | :37:05. | :37:11. | |
also on foreign aid. Scrapping green taxes, to cut people's electricity | :37:12. | :37:15. | |
bills by ?300 per year on average. There are a lot of popular policies | :37:16. | :37:24. | |
that we have. We will hear more from that in the weeks to come. | :37:25. | :37:28. | |
Paul Nuttall said "If the price of written leaving the year is a Tory | :37:29. | :37:33. | |
advance after taking up this patriarch course, it is a price that | :37:34. | :37:38. | |
Ukip is prepared to pay". That sounds like a surrender statement? | :37:39. | :37:42. | |
It is a statement of fact, the main agenda is to get out of the EU and | :37:43. | :37:47. | |
have full Brexit. That is why Ukip came into existence 20 years ago. | :37:48. | :37:54. | |
When it is achieved, we go back to the normal political battle lines. | :37:55. | :37:57. | |
Niall Hamilton in Cardiff, thank you very much for joining us. | :37:58. | :38:01. | |
It's just gone 11.35am, you're watching the Sunday Politics. | :38:02. | :38:04. | |
We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland, who leave us now | :38:05. | :38:06. | |
Coming up here in 20 minutes - we'll be talking about the French | :38:07. | :38:16. | |
Hello, you're watching the Sunday Politics for Yorkshire, | :38:17. | :38:18. | |
Ukip's leader Paul Nuttall assesses the damage after his party | :38:19. | :38:24. | |
is wiped-out across our patch in the local elections. | :38:25. | :38:29. | |
They just fall out amongst themselves, and | :38:30. | :38:31. | |
Yes, we'll be discussing the fallout from that and finding out what it | :38:32. | :38:42. | |
means for the big one on June the 8th with your guests today, | :38:43. | :38:45. | |
Labour's Tracy Brabin, Conservative Alec Shelbrooke, | :38:46. | :38:48. | |
Baroness Kath Pinnock for the Liberal Demorats | :38:49. | :38:51. | |
As Labour today unveils its tax plans, its leadership is facing | :38:52. | :38:58. | |
recriminations over local elections results after some humiliating | :38:59. | :39:02. | |
and Yorkshire and Lincolnshire was no exception. | :39:03. | :39:06. | |
Recriminations will however be even more bitter amongst Ukip's ranks | :39:07. | :39:10. | |
after the party was wiped off the county council map. | :39:11. | :39:14. | |
Arguably the worst result for Ukip came in Lincolnshire - | :39:15. | :39:17. | |
Britain's most Eurosceptic county - where the party's leader | :39:18. | :39:20. | |
Paul Nuttall is hoping to become the next MP for Boston and Skegness. | :39:21. | :39:25. | |
With his overview of the results, here's David Rhodes. | :39:26. | :39:29. | |
Historically, people vote slightly differently in local elections to | :39:30. | :39:32. | |
how they vote in a general election and what these results allow us to | :39:33. | :39:35. | |
do is take a look at the core vote, the people who are most likely | :39:36. | :39:39. | |
So, across Yorkshire and Lincolnshire, | :39:40. | :39:43. | |
there were 197 council seats contested. | :39:44. | :39:47. | |
Heading into the election, 58 of these seats were | :39:48. | :39:49. | |
held by Labour, 88 by the Conservatives. | :39:50. | :39:52. | |
Now, under normal circumstances, you might expect the Conservatives | :39:53. | :39:55. | |
to lose seats because they have been the party of government | :39:56. | :39:58. | |
for seven years, but look what has happened instead. | :39:59. | :40:01. | |
The Conservatives have gained 32 councillors | :40:02. | :40:03. | |
But look at what has happened to Ukip. | :40:04. | :40:07. | |
On Thursday, they had 17 councillors, but now they have all | :40:08. | :40:11. | |
gone, a sign perhaps that after Brexit, voters see | :40:12. | :40:14. | |
the party as not having real relevance any more. | :40:15. | :40:17. | |
And the Lib Dems, in places like Harrogate and the outskirts | :40:18. | :40:20. | |
of York, areas that voted to remain in the EU, | :40:21. | :40:23. | |
the Lib Dems here hoped their pro-EU stance would help them | :40:24. | :40:27. | |
pick up council seats, but that just hasn't happened. | :40:28. | :40:30. | |
In Yorkshire and Lincolnshire, the Conservatives did well | :40:31. | :40:35. | |
in these local elections, but rest assured, the parties | :40:36. | :40:38. | |
will be poring over these results in an attempt to work out how | :40:39. | :40:42. | |
to win your vote come the general election on June the 8th. | :40:43. | :40:47. | |
So let's look in more detail at the results | :40:48. | :40:51. | |
Our reporters were at counts across the region. | :40:52. | :40:55. | |
Sarah Urwin was at County Hall in Northallerton, | :40:56. | :40:58. | |
James Vincent was at the counts for the mayoral and local council | :40:59. | :41:01. | |
elections in Doncaster and Sharon Edwards was at Lincoln. | :41:02. | :41:06. | |
Well, in a complete reversal to what happened four years ago, | :41:07. | :41:08. | |
the Conservatives have made big gains in Lincolnshire. | :41:09. | :41:12. | |
Going into this election, their contingency took up | :41:13. | :41:15. | |
less than half of the benches here at county offices. | :41:16. | :41:19. | |
After tonight, well, it's more than three quarters | :41:20. | :41:24. | |
and if there is blood on the carpet, it's distinctly purple. | :41:25. | :41:27. | |
Ukip has been wiped off the map and Labour | :41:28. | :41:30. | |
has seen its number of councillors drop from 12 to six. | :41:31. | :41:35. | |
We didn't do well, but it has to be seen against | :41:36. | :41:38. | |
the national backdrop where Labour are quite a considerable way | :41:39. | :41:41. | |
behind the Conservatives in the opinion polls. | :41:42. | :41:45. | |
Here in Doncaster, it will be four more years of Labour. | :41:46. | :41:48. | |
Roz Jones won a convincing victory for the party at the count. | :41:49. | :41:52. | |
She got over 50% of the votes on the first preference, | :41:53. | :41:56. | |
so there was no need to count the second preferences. | :41:57. | :41:58. | |
That's the first time that's ever happened in Doncaster. | :41:59. | :42:01. | |
The Conservatives did well to finish second. | :42:02. | :42:03. | |
Ukip were beaten back to third and Labour, | :42:04. | :42:07. | |
really pleased with that result, because it kind of bucks the trend | :42:08. | :42:10. | |
of what happened nationally in the local elections. | :42:11. | :42:13. | |
They're also really happy because they're also electing, | :42:14. | :42:15. | |
along with a mayor, they're also electing councillors. | :42:16. | :42:17. | |
Labour are picked up a couple of extra councillors | :42:18. | :42:19. | |
and Ukip won't have any councillors in Doncaster any more. | :42:20. | :42:22. | |
So Labour seeing this in Doncaster as a really big victory. | :42:23. | :42:27. | |
We've been out to ask people what they think | :42:28. | :42:29. | |
I don't vote, so to be honest, whoever gets in's | :42:30. | :42:33. | |
You never thought that this time, maybe thinking | :42:34. | :42:43. | |
Roz Jones is halfway through doing the job. | :42:44. | :42:47. | |
Hopefully she can finish it all off now, | :42:48. | :42:49. | |
get this town centre built up again. | :42:50. | :42:51. | |
Not such good news for Labour in the southern parts of our patch. | :42:52. | :43:05. | |
Derbyshire County Council used to be Labour-controlled. | :43:06. | :43:08. | |
Now it's controlled by the Conservative Party. | :43:09. | :43:12. | |
It's actually the only council in the country that's gone | :43:13. | :43:14. | |
from direct control from one party to another, | :43:15. | :43:17. | |
In Nottinghamshire, there is still no overall control | :43:18. | :43:21. | |
for sure, but the Conservatives now are the largest party and they've | :43:22. | :43:24. | |
told us they won't be trying to form a coalition to run the council. | :43:25. | :43:28. | |
They'll be trying to run the council as the largest party without | :43:29. | :43:31. | |
a majority, so they'll have some interesting times trying | :43:32. | :43:34. | |
Here at county hall in Northallerton, North Yorkshire, | :43:35. | :43:41. | |
there were big gains for the Conservatives. | :43:42. | :43:44. | |
They took another ten seats, taking their majority | :43:45. | :43:46. | |
to 55 out of 72 seats, tn fact, the most the Conservatives have had | :43:47. | :43:52. | |
since this council came into its current form 20 years ago. | :43:53. | :43:56. | |
The Liberal party had two seats, they lost those. | :43:57. | :44:02. | |
Labour also went down by three seats | :44:03. | :44:04. | |
There will be some form of opposition in the form of | :44:05. | :44:09. | |
There were ten seats won by them, but overall, | :44:10. | :44:14. | |
the picture here reflecting what happened nationally | :44:15. | :44:16. | |
Thanks to Sarah, James and Sharon for us there. Let's now go live to | :44:17. | :44:31. | |
Labour's Tracy Brabin. After the events of the past few days, can you | :44:32. | :44:35. | |
see anything other than a crushing defeat for Labour at the general | :44:36. | :44:40. | |
election? Absolutely not. Obviously, it's a very difficult time and all | :44:41. | :44:44. | |
those hard-working Labour activists who have worked and slugged it out | :44:45. | :44:46. | |
and Labour councillors who are and Labour councillors who are | :44:47. | :44:50. | |
dealing with Tory cuts on a day-to-day basis, they have worked | :44:51. | :44:54. | |
really hard. It's very disappointing, but like your package | :44:55. | :44:58. | |
And Roz, four years ago, was neck And Roz, four years ago, was neck | :44:59. | :45:01. | |
and neck with the English Democrats are now she has put that back and | :45:02. | :45:06. | |
she has had a resounding... But the general election won't be decided in | :45:07. | :45:10. | |
Doncaster. In other areas, your vote share went down and you lost | :45:11. | :45:14. | |
councils. It looks grim. Of course there are things to be learned but | :45:15. | :45:22. | |
we must celebrate. Manchester and Liverpool and we're working very | :45:23. | :45:25. | |
hard and, to be honest, I am really up for this fight. It will be a | :45:26. | :45:28. | |
challenge and we are going to fight it tooth and nail but it is also an | :45:29. | :45:31. | |
opportunity for us to get our message out there and as we all | :45:32. | :45:32. | |
know, in politics things can change know, in politics things can change | :45:33. | :45:34. | |
quite quickly and there are four quite quickly and there are four | :45:35. | :45:36. | |
weeks to go, so it is a great opportunity. Alec Shelbrooke, is | :45:37. | :45:45. | |
there a concern that the local election results might be a wake-up | :45:46. | :45:48. | |
call for people who do not want a Conservative Government. They might | :45:49. | :45:52. | |
be mumbled busy to go out and vote for another party. The local | :45:53. | :45:55. | |
elections were the local elections and do not count towards the general | :45:56. | :45:59. | |
election. In this election, the Conservative Party is going out to | :46:00. | :46:03. | |
get every vote it can possibly get. We have won nothing yet but the | :46:04. | :46:07. | |
general election and if we want the strong and stable leadership of | :46:08. | :46:10. | |
get every vote we can get. The first get every vote we can get. The first | :46:11. | :46:18. | |
mention of that phrase did a! I will look... Kath Pinnock, you have lost | :46:19. | :46:25. | |
seats, how is the fightback going? Really well. Really? But not | :46:26. | :46:31. | |
necessarily play in places where there are overwhelming Conservative | :46:32. | :46:34. | |
presence. But in other parts of the country where we have traditionally | :46:35. | :46:39. | |
done well, we gained seats. So it is a bit patchy, but I am optimistic | :46:40. | :46:44. | |
about the election in five weeks' time. Let me go to Roger Helmer, | :46:45. | :46:51. | |
Ukip NEP. If Ukip can't win seats in places like Lincolnshire, the most | :46:52. | :46:54. | |
Eurosceptic county in the country Eurosceptic county in the country | :46:55. | :46:56. | |
where you were wiped out on the county council, where Newman? Well, | :46:57. | :47:02. | |
let's be honest, we had a bad time in the local elections. In fact, all | :47:03. | :47:06. | |
parties apart from the Conservatives had a pretty bad time. The reason | :47:07. | :47:10. | |
the Conservatives did so well was they had largely taken over Ukip | :47:11. | :47:15. | |
policies on Europe, on immigration, even on grammar schools and to an | :47:16. | :47:20. | |
won by taking on our policies. We won by taking on our policies. We | :47:21. | :47:24. | |
can take pride in the fact that we achieved a referendum, we helped to | :47:25. | :47:28. | |
win the referendum and we have turned the Conservative Party around | :47:29. | :47:30. | |
into a Brexit supporting party. That into a Brexit supporting party. That | :47:31. | :47:34. | |
basis, I think we've achieved a great deal and I pay tribute to our | :47:35. | :47:39. | |
activists and candidates who worked so hard even at a time when the tide | :47:40. | :47:42. | |
was moving against them. It's was moving against them. It's | :47:43. | :47:44. | |
interesting that all you are using. interesting that all you are using. | :47:45. | :47:47. | |
It almost sounds like an obituary for your party. Will you now rejoin | :47:48. | :47:53. | |
the Conservatives? Certainly not! No, I think the future for Ukip | :47:54. | :47:57. | |
depends very much on whether Theresa May delivers. Of Theresa May | :47:58. | :48:02. | |
delivers on Brexit, then we face a pretty tough time. However, if she | :48:03. | :48:08. | |
starts to weaken and she's already backtracked on the European | :48:09. | :48:11. | |
Convention on human rights so that we will be able to deport foreign | :48:12. | :48:16. | |
terrorists and murderers, she is putting remainders into a winnable | :48:17. | :48:22. | |
seat in the general election, she is talking about a transition period | :48:23. | :48:26. | |
which sounds like a very, very soft Brexit and we know what immigration, | :48:27. | :48:30. | |
she has made promises before and not delivers them, if she fails to | :48:31. | :48:34. | |
deliver which looks to me pretty likely, I think you'll find that | :48:35. | :48:37. | |
Ukip has a new relevance that doesn't show Windows local election | :48:38. | :48:42. | |
results. What you make of that accusation that the Tories have | :48:43. | :48:47. | |
stolen Ukip's policies? A load of old Goth! The reality is that in | :48:48. | :48:50. | |
2016 there was the referendum and the British people chose to leave | :48:51. | :48:55. | |
the European Union. Many Conservative MPs were on the remain | :48:56. | :48:58. | |
side of that argument including myself, but the British people spoke | :48:59. | :49:04. | |
and a mandate was given. A 2017, this general election moving | :49:05. | :49:06. | |
forward, is about enacting a democratic will which is to leave | :49:07. | :49:09. | |
the European Union and is happening. What we must do now is negotiate. | :49:10. | :49:13. | |
There is a complex and in-depth of issues that need to be negotiated | :49:14. | :49:17. | |
that what we are really seeing in this election is, as I was saying | :49:18. | :49:21. | |
earlier, every vote counts because it is not just about trying to get a | :49:22. | :49:25. | |
bigger parliamentary majority, every party is trying to get more seats, | :49:26. | :49:29. | |
but it is about having as many people in the country vote in seats | :49:30. | :49:34. | |
we can't win in order to go into those negotiations saying that a lot | :49:35. | :49:37. | |
of the country is backing it. But it is not a Brexit argument. A decision | :49:38. | :49:42. | |
has been made by the British people, now it's about negotiating the best | :49:43. | :49:47. | |
way that deal is delivered. I. Not the whole of our programme to be | :49:48. | :49:53. | |
dominated by Brexit. Let me ask you, Tracy Brabin, there are lots of | :49:54. | :49:55. | |
hard-working Labour councillors out on the doorsteps this weekend but | :49:56. | :49:58. | |
they have a big problem because as soon as they start talking to | :49:59. | :50:01. | |
voters, voters tell them we don't like Jeremy Corbyn. That is the | :50:02. | :50:07. | |
elephant in the room. When I am going door-to-door, as you know I am | :50:08. | :50:12. | |
doing the footwork at the moment, I think the biggest issue is not | :50:13. | :50:16. | |
necessarily about the leadership, the biggest issue locally for me is | :50:17. | :50:21. | |
the NHS. It is the downgrade to Dewsbury Hospital, all the cuts to | :50:22. | :50:26. | |
every school in my constituency, 9.4 million being wiped off the | :50:27. | :50:30. | |
education budget, cuts to police and the fact that we have lost 1200 | :50:31. | :50:36. | |
police and there is a spike in crime at 19%, so cuts having consequences. | :50:37. | :50:41. | |
And off is the, Brexit, all these other issues are a mess minister | :50:42. | :50:46. | |
issues so on the doorstep, you ask me about going door-to-door, that is | :50:47. | :50:52. | |
not going out. But you can never do all the things you talk about doing | :50:53. | :50:56. | |
on the NHS and police unless you form the next Government and as we | :50:57. | :50:59. | |
sit here this weekend, that is not going to happen. As we know, how | :51:00. | :51:04. | |
strange politics is. Who knows? There may be an opportunity to get | :51:05. | :51:07. | |
our message out there and people will vote for us because I do | :51:08. | :51:11. | |
believe that we have an excellent raft of policies. We are reaching | :51:12. | :51:18. | |
out to be many and not refute and to look around my constituency, I know | :51:19. | :51:20. | |
we need a Labour Government. Kath Pinnock, if you and the Labour Party | :51:21. | :51:24. | |
hate the Tories so much, why aren't you working together more? Why don't | :51:25. | :51:27. | |
you say to someone like Tracy, we will not put a Labour candidate in | :51:28. | :51:34. | |
this place if you do not put a Lib Dem candidate in this place? What we | :51:35. | :51:39. | |
have here today is three representatives of the other parties | :51:40. | :51:45. | |
who all believe in exiting the European Union, have gone for | :51:46. | :51:49. | |
Brexit. And the Liberal Democrats are quite clear, Brexit will have | :51:50. | :51:57. | |
serious implications for security, jobs, prosperity, and we need to | :51:58. | :52:01. | |
keep making that argument, so it is no bid Palin up with anybody else, | :52:02. | :52:04. | |
no good powering up with anyone else, because we ought to be talking | :52:05. | :52:11. | |
to people about that. But the issue I've just said, that is a 2016 | :52:12. | :52:15. | |
argument... The British people spoke about all the work Tracy was, but I | :52:16. | :52:20. | |
was in the remain calm. I get tired of the British people spoke | :52:21. | :52:28. | |
because... It's not the best of three. We voted, we have to do it. | :52:29. | :52:34. | |
This is why I can't Powell with them! 16 million people voted one | :52:35. | :52:39. | |
and 17 million the other, so what we all ought to be doing as a country | :52:40. | :52:42. | |
is taking all those views together and trying to find a solution. But | :52:43. | :52:47. | |
that was not borne out at the local elections. You lost councillors even | :52:48. | :52:50. | |
in places like Harrogate and Knaresborough weather was a majority | :52:51. | :52:56. | |
for remain. That is true, and the local election, sadly, because I | :52:57. | :52:59. | |
think you should fight on local issues, were overtaken by Theresa | :53:00. | :53:05. | |
May announcing a general election. So it became a proxy general | :53:06. | :53:10. | |
election. That is a sadness for that, so a lot of councillors have | :53:11. | :53:13. | |
lost their seats because of it and some of them have gained it because | :53:14. | :53:21. | |
of it. Noes swings and roundabouts. Yes, I will still fight for staying | :53:22. | :53:26. | |
and remaining in the single market because jobs in the area where I | :53:27. | :53:33. | |
live are going to depend on it. We have a big company where I live that | :53:34. | :53:38. | |
has a huge export trade to Europe has a huge export trade to Europe | :53:39. | :53:41. | |
and the middle east and if we come out of Europe, they might come out | :53:42. | :53:47. | |
of our area. Let me go back to Roger if I can because I want to ask you | :53:48. | :53:52. | |
to win his by-election in Stoke and to win his by-election in Stoke and | :53:53. | :53:56. | |
has overseen a meltdown in the local elections. He hasn't exactly got the | :53:57. | :54:03. | |
Midas touch, has he? He has hit the leadership of the party at a time | :54:04. | :54:06. | |
when we face problems because the Conservative Party, as I said | :54:07. | :54:10. | |
earlier, have taken up most of our policies and also we have lost a | :54:11. | :54:14. | |
charismatic leader who had an enormous following amongst the | :54:15. | :54:19. | |
public. He has had a tough call. I have known him for many years and | :54:20. | :54:23. | |
have great confidence in him and I think he would agree with me that | :54:24. | :54:28. | |
the future of Ukip is important for British politics especially if, as | :54:29. | :54:31. | |
we expect, Theresa May starts to soften her position in the face of | :54:32. | :54:35. | |
opposition from Brussels. Tracy Brabin, don't you think that Labour | :54:36. | :54:41. | |
has a credibility problem? Not just regarding Jeremy Corbyn but when you | :54:42. | :54:44. | |
look at some of the Shadow Cabinet. Look at Dianne Abbot's mess up the | :54:45. | :54:48. | |
other day on the radio over police figures. People do not see you as a | :54:49. | :54:52. | |
credible alternative Government, do they? Can I say about that, Jeremy | :54:53. | :54:57. | |
Hunt got the figures wrong this morning on Andrew Marr. It is not | :54:58. | :55:02. | |
one in six will experience mental health issues, but one in four. | :55:03. | :55:06. | |
These things happen. But we have to be fighting on local issues as well. | :55:07. | :55:13. | |
The NHS is... Was created by the Labour Government, saved by the | :55:14. | :55:16. | |
Labour Government in 1997 and will be protected. Figures out today that | :55:17. | :55:23. | |
actually there are real terms cut is that the Tory party themselves have | :55:24. | :55:30. | |
accepted, real-time cuts in the NHS from 19... Sorry, 2018-19. So we | :55:31. | :55:35. | |
have to get the message across that the NHS is safe only with the Labour | :55:36. | :55:40. | |
Government. Can I come in there? I have not yet heard from the Labour | :55:41. | :55:43. | |
Party what they are going to do to safeguard it except to say they will | :55:44. | :55:45. | |
whereas the Liberal Democrats have come up today with an idea... You're | :55:46. | :55:53. | |
going to tax people more. Low paid earners, everyone is going to visit | :55:54. | :55:59. | |
tax rise. But you know the shadow Minister for health came to our | :56:00. | :56:04. | |
region and announced on the first day of a Labour Government a | :56:05. | :56:06. | |
moratorium on STPs. Our community is moratorium on STPs. Our community is | :56:07. | :56:10. | |
crying out for some kind of conversation. Only 1% of our | :56:11. | :56:15. | |
community was that the asked about this. 'S explain, what are STPs. | :56:16. | :56:24. | |
Sustainable... It's about talking to Sustainable... It's about talking to | :56:25. | :56:29. | |
the people. 70% of the population know and have agreed that our health | :56:30. | :56:35. | |
service needs more money. And our social care services need more | :56:36. | :56:38. | |
money. In order to actually survive. What we are saying is, we will ask | :56:39. | :56:46. | |
people to pay 1p in the pound more to cover those costs so we can put | :56:47. | :56:49. | |
money in to save the NHS instead of just saying we will. We will do it | :56:50. | :56:56. | |
and 1p means, four people where I live on lower wages, might mean less | :56:57. | :57:01. | |
than ?1 a week and I think most people would say that is a price | :57:02. | :57:07. | |
worth paying. The problem is, Alec Shelbrooke, from what I have seen so | :57:08. | :57:10. | |
far, the Conservatives don't seem to want to talk about the NHS. All you | :57:11. | :57:15. | |
want to talk about is Brexit. It is arguably the biggest issue for the | :57:16. | :57:18. | |
country and it is being ignored. There is a manifesto still to come | :57:19. | :57:22. | |
out, as you know, but let's look at what we have done. There are | :57:23. | :57:24. | |
millions more are going through the NHS each week. There is an extra ?10 | :57:25. | :57:29. | |
billion going into the NHS as was requested by the Davis review. Is | :57:30. | :57:32. | |
the NHS working perfectly? Of course it is not an things have to be | :57:33. | :57:37. | |
changed. Kath mentioned about social care and is not just a case of | :57:38. | :57:41. | |
putting money in, it is how we can reform the system because since | :57:42. | :57:45. | |
2010, there has been a 50% increase in the number of it he rolled in the | :57:46. | :57:50. | |
country, people above 80, so those are real pressures. It puts more | :57:51. | :57:57. | |
pressure on the NHS... It's about prioritising... We have to work out | :57:58. | :58:01. | |
how this can be delivered and was an extent, it is all very well saying | :58:02. | :58:05. | |
put money in, but have we actually got the capacity in terms of, for | :58:06. | :58:12. | |
example, angiograms and heart operations. People are getting older | :58:13. | :58:15. | |
and living longer and these have to be addressed fundamentally as to how | :58:16. | :58:17. | |
we can manage the increased pressures. There are millions more | :58:18. | :58:20. | |
people coming to the NHS now than there were ten years ago. But you | :58:21. | :58:28. | |
said yesterday... And that can be done without any extra cash? We put | :58:29. | :58:35. | |
in 10 billion, and after the Davis review, we have delivered what the | :58:36. | :58:38. | |
independent review asked for. If other reviews come for words, more | :58:39. | :58:43. | |
money will be put in. You know that's not true! Let me bring in | :58:44. | :58:48. | |
Bodger helmet. A lot of people will say they remember voting to leave | :58:49. | :58:53. | |
the EU because they were promised all that extra money for the NHS | :58:54. | :59:00. | |
from Brussels. On Brexit, we haven't Brexit aired yet. We are still | :59:01. | :59:03. | |
paying cod abrasions to Brussels and we will still be paying bills until | :59:04. | :59:08. | |
2019. But two big issues I want to bring up your, first of all we are | :59:09. | :59:10. | |
wasting huge amounts of money on wasting huge amounts of money on | :59:11. | :59:14. | |
foreign aid which we should not be doing. Secondly, you cannot discuss | :59:15. | :59:18. | |
health provision without also discussing the issue of immigration. | :59:19. | :59:22. | |
We have 300,000 plus net new people coming into the country every year | :59:23. | :59:26. | |
or so they want health care and, by the way, they want education and | :59:27. | :59:30. | |
other social services and if you are going to talk about the NHS, you | :59:31. | :59:33. | |
cannot ignore the elephant in the room which is the large numbers of | :59:34. | :59:38. | |
additional people coming in but also the large amounts of money that I | :59:39. | :59:42. | |
being wasted on Brussels and wasted on foreign aid. This is a big | :59:43. | :59:47. | |
weakness for Labour, immigration. Just whine slightly, even John Major | :59:48. | :59:52. | |
is saying that the NHS is not safe in the Tory Government's council we | :59:53. | :59:55. | |
have to add the address that, but it is not about accepting, as you were | :59:56. | :00:01. | |
suggesting, weaving through an understanding that now these waiting | :00:02. | :00:04. | |
times are going to be forgotten. We have to accept we have an ageing | :00:05. | :00:09. | |
population. It is not fair, it's not fair that older people are going to | :00:10. | :00:13. | |
be waiting for hip and knee operations and be lonely. It is not | :00:14. | :00:17. | |
fair and it is cynical and it is unfair. It's not about capacity. Ten | :00:18. | :00:24. | |
seconds each to some up. Give us your prediction for the general | :00:25. | :00:28. | |
election. We will do a lot better than we did last time. We will gain | :00:29. | :00:34. | |
seats and we will become the real opposition to a Tory Government. We | :00:35. | :00:37. | |
will fight for every single vote in the country so that when Theresa May | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
goes in to negotiate on behalf of this country, she has that strong | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
and stable leadership and mandates. We are going to be fighting every | :00:46. | :00:48. | |
step of the way but I think we are going to do it. We will pip them at | :00:49. | :00:54. | |
the pool to get a Labour Government. We are the only party in Ukip... We | :00:55. | :00:58. | |
are the only party that is absolutely committed to a real, | :00:59. | :01:03. | |
complete Brexit and we will have a considerable impact on the campaign. | :01:04. | :01:07. | |
I can't predict seat numbers, but we will have an impact on the campaign, | :01:08. | :01:10. | |
especially as we challenge remainders. We must | :01:11. | :01:11. | |
housing associations and investment, but we have run out of time, thank | :01:12. | :01:14. | |
you. Andrew. Four weeks to go until polling day | :01:15. | :01:29. | |
on the 8th of June, what will the party strategies be for the | :01:30. | :01:33. | |
remaining four weeks? Let's begin with the Conservatives. Do they just | :01:34. | :01:39. | |
try to continue to play it safe for four weeks? Yes, with this important | :01:40. | :01:44. | |
qualification. Theresa May Corp this election to get her own personal | :01:45. | :01:47. | |
mandate partly, partly because she thought she would win big but to get | :01:48. | :01:51. | |
her own personal mandate. Therefore, she needs to define it. In her own | :01:52. | :01:57. | |
interests and to do with accountability to the country. So | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
clearly, they will not take risks when they are so far ahead in the | :02:03. | :02:06. | |
polls. What they do say in the manifesto matters in | :02:07. | :02:08. | |
terms of the space that she has in the coming years to define her | :02:09. | :02:15. | |
leadership against David Cameron 's. She is a free figure, partly on the | :02:16. | :02:21. | |
basis of what she says as to how big she wins. They cannot just play it | :02:22. | :02:31. | |
safe and repeat their mantra of strong and stable leadership, if she | :02:32. | :02:35. | |
is going to claim her own mandate, they need the top policy? Yes, and | :02:36. | :02:40. | |
what is unusual about this is that the manifesto matters far more | :02:41. | :02:43. | |
because of what they need to do with it afterwards, than in terms of | :02:44. | :02:46. | |
whether it is going to win anybody over now. Clearly, the strategy is | :02:47. | :02:52. | |
yes, we do have two layout out a few things, there are interesting | :02:53. | :02:56. | |
debates as to whether, for example, they will still commit to this | :02:57. | :02:59. | |
ambition of reducing immigration to the tens of thousands, we do not | :03:00. | :03:03. | |
know the answer yet. It is a question on whether she is setting | :03:04. | :03:06. | |
herself up for difficulties later on. It will be a short manifesto, I | :03:07. | :03:15. | |
would venture to guess? It is in her interests to be as noncommittal as | :03:16. | :03:18. | |
possible, that argues for a short manifesto but what does strike me | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
about the Conservative campaign, aside from the ambiguity on policy, | :03:23. | :03:27. | |
is how personal it is. I think Theresa May, in her most recent | :03:28. | :03:33. | |
speech, referred to "My local candidates", rather than | :03:34. | :03:35. | |
Parliamentary candidates, very much framing it as a presidential | :03:36. | :03:42. | |
candidate in France or the USA. Not a rational on her part. Everything I | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
hear from the MPs on the ground and the focus groups being done by the | :03:47. | :03:51. | |
parties, is that a big chunk of the population personally identify with | :03:52. | :03:55. | |
her. If you can wrap up Middle England into a physical object and | :03:56. | :03:58. | |
embody it in a person, it would be her. Although Jeremy Corbyn's | :03:59. | :04:04. | |
unpopularity accounts for a big slice of her popularity, she has | :04:05. | :04:07. | |
done a good job of bonding with the public. We never saw that coming! | :04:08. | :04:12. | |
But you may well be right. That is happening now. Labour say it wants | :04:13. | :04:15. | |
the Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell to play a more prominent role in the | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
Labour campaign, he was on The Andrew Marr Show this morning and he | :04:21. | :04:23. | |
was asked if he was a Marxist, he denied that he was. It surprised me | :04:24. | :04:29. | |
as I had seen tape from before saying that he was proud of it. | :04:30. | :04:36. | |
Let's look now and then. Are you a Marxist? I believe that there is a | :04:37. | :04:41. | |
lot to learn... Yes or no? I believe that there is a lot to learn from | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
reading capital, that is recommended not only by me but measuring | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
economists as well. I also believe that in the long tradition of the | :04:50. | :04:56. | |
Labour Party... We need to demand systemic change. I am a Marxist. | :04:57. | :05:01. | |
This is a classic crisis of the economy. A capitalist crisis. I've | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
been waiting for this for a generation! That was from about four | :05:06. | :05:12. | |
years ago. No, I'm not a Marxist, yes, I am a Marxist... I've been | :05:13. | :05:16. | |
waiting for the Marxist revolution my whole life... Does this kind of | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
thing matter? Yes, but in fairness, I think he is a really good | :05:21. | :05:26. | |
interviewee. The Shadow Cabinet have untested figures in a national | :05:27. | :05:30. | |
campaign. None have ever been exposed at any level to a national | :05:31. | :05:35. | |
media campaign that they are about to experience. He is the best | :05:36. | :05:40. | |
interviewee. In fairness to him, when he gave that clip four years | :05:41. | :05:45. | |
ago, I bet he never dream that he would be in a senior front bench | :05:46. | :05:48. | |
position. But the background is clear. They are of the left, and I | :05:49. | :05:54. | |
think they would all have described it. Jeremy Corbyn would have done, | :05:55. | :06:00. | |
he is close to being like Tony Benn. There are about four Labour campaign | :06:01. | :06:04. | |
is being fought in this election. Their campaign, the old Shadow | :06:05. | :06:08. | |
Cabinet, campaigning in constituencies, but not identifying | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
with that campaign. There is the former Labour leader Tony Blair. Is | :06:13. | :06:19. | |
it damaging? I think so, if they could be damaged any further, I | :06:20. | :06:23. | |
could see all of the Labour MPs with their heads in their hands. What I | :06:24. | :06:27. | |
am hearing from Labour MPs is that there is not one of them who do not | :06:28. | :06:30. | |
feel that they have a horrendous battle on their hands. These will be | :06:31. | :06:35. | |
very individual local campaigns, where local MPs are winning despite | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
the party leadership and not because of it. Already, talk is turning to | :06:40. | :06:44. | |
what happens next. Is there anyway that Jeremy Corbyn, giving a | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
horrendous set of general election results as many anticipate, may stay | :06:49. | :06:55. | |
on all the same? It is not clear that even if the polls are right, | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
that Mr Corbyn will go? John McDonnell implied it might not be | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
the case but previously, he said it would be. What do you make of | :07:06. | :07:10. | |
reports that the Labour strategy is not, I cannot quite believe I am | :07:11. | :07:14. | |
saying this, not to win seats but maximise a share of the vote. If | :07:15. | :07:19. | |
they do better than Ed Miliband with 30.5% of the vote, they believe they | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
live to fight another day? Yes, it reminded me of Tony Benn's speech | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
after the 1983 election where they said as bad as the Parliamentary | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
defeat was there were 8 million votes for socialism. A big section | :07:34. | :07:36. | |
of public opinion voted for that manifesto. I wonder whether that is | :07:37. | :07:44. | |
Corbyn's supporters best chance of holding onto power. Whether they can | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
say that those votes are a platform on which we can build. That said, | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
even moderate Labour MPs and desperate for a quick leadership | :07:55. | :07:58. | |
contest. I hear a lot of them say that they would like to leave it for | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
one year. Maybe have Tom Watson as an acting Labour leader. He would | :08:03. | :08:06. | |
still have a mandate. Give the top party a chance to regroup and get | :08:07. | :08:10. | |
rid of some of its problems and decide where it stands on policy. | :08:11. | :08:14. | |
Most importantly, for potential candidates to show what they are | :08:15. | :08:17. | |
made of, rather than lurching straight into an Yvette Cooper | :08:18. | :08:23. | |
Coronation. 30 seconds on the Liberal Democrats, their strategy | :08:24. | :08:30. | |
was to mop up the Remain vote. Uncertain about the Brexit party in | :08:31. | :08:38. | |
demise. Ukip. The remain as have a dilemma, the little Democrats are | :08:39. | :08:41. | |
not a strong enough vessel with 89 MPs to risk all ongoing for them -- | :08:42. | :08:47. | |
the Liberal Democrats. Labour do not know where they stand on Brexit. | :08:48. | :08:52. | |
There is not a robust alternative vessel for what is now a pro-Brexit | :08:53. | :09:01. | |
Conservative Party. At the moment. Four weeks to go, but not for | :09:02. | :09:03. | |
France... France has been voting since early | :09:04. | :09:06. | |
this morning, and we should get a first estimate of who will be | :09:07. | :09:08. | |
the country's next President Just to warn you there are some | :09:09. | :09:11. | |
flashing images coming up. The choice in France | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
is between a centre-left liberal reformer Emmanuel Macron | :09:16. | :09:17. | |
and a right-wing nationalist Marine Le Pen - both have been | :09:18. | :09:19. | |
casting their votes this morning. The two candidates topped | :09:20. | :09:22. | |
a field of 11 presidential hopefuls in the first | :09:23. | :09:24. | |
round of elections last month. The campaign has been marked | :09:25. | :09:26. | |
by its unpredictability, and in a final twist on Friday | :09:27. | :09:28. | |
evening, just before campaigning officially ended, | :09:29. | :09:34. | |
Mr Macron's En Marche! group said it had been the victim | :09:35. | :09:37. | |
of a "massive" hack, with a trove of documents | :09:38. | :09:42. | |
released online. The Macron team said real documents | :09:43. | :09:44. | |
were mixed up with fake ones, and electoral authorities warned | :09:45. | :09:47. | |
media and the public that spreading details of the leaks would breach | :09:48. | :09:50. | |
strict election rules. I'm joined now from | :09:51. | :10:00. | |
Paris by the journalist As I left Paris recently, everybody | :10:01. | :10:13. | |
told me that there was the consensus that Mr Macron would win, and win | :10:14. | :10:17. | |
pretty comfortable you. Is there any reason to doubt that? -- pretty | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
comfortably. I don't think so, there have been so many people left and | :10:23. | :10:27. | |
right, former candidates who have decided that it was more important | :10:28. | :10:32. | |
to vote for Macron, even if it was agreed with him, then run the risk | :10:33. | :10:35. | |
of having Marine Le Pen as president. I think the spread is now | :10:36. | :10:43. | |
20 points, 60% to Macron, 40% to Le Pen. So outside of the margin of | :10:44. | :10:46. | |
error that it would take something huge for this to be observed. If the | :10:47. | :10:52. | |
polls are right and Mr Macron wins, he has to put together a government, | :10:53. | :11:00. | |
and in May there is a Coronation, then he faces parliamentary | :11:01. | :11:05. | |
elections in June and could face a fractured parliament where he does | :11:06. | :11:10. | |
not have a clear majority for his reforms. He could then faced | :11:11. | :11:13. | |
difficulties in getting his programme through? I think that | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
right now, with how things are looking, considering you have one | :11:19. | :11:24. | |
half of the Republican party, the Conservative Party, they are making | :11:25. | :11:29. | |
clear sides, not only that they want to support Macron but are supporting | :11:30. | :11:33. | |
him actively. It means looking at the equivalent of the German party, | :11:34. | :11:38. | |
the great coalition. Depending on how many seats established parties | :11:39. | :11:44. | |
keep in the house committee may very well have a Republican Prime | :11:45. | :11:52. | |
Minister, rather than having an adversarial MP, he may have someone | :11:53. | :12:02. | |
who is relatively unknown outside of France, and a young woman. Contended | :12:03. | :12:09. | |
that lost the Parez mayorship three years ago. She is a scientist and | :12:10. | :12:15. | |
has been secretary of state. She would be an interesting coalition | :12:16. | :12:21. | |
Prime Minister. Finally, Marine Le Pen, if she goes down to defeat a | :12:22. | :12:26. | |
night, does she have the stomach and ambition, and the energy, to try it | :12:27. | :12:33. | |
all again in 2022? She has all of that. The question is, would they | :12:34. | :12:38. | |
let her? How badly would she lose? Her niece, now 27, a hard-working | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
and steady person, unlike Marine Le Pen, who flunked her do paid -- | :12:44. | :12:52. | |
debate, her niece may decide that 2022 is her turn. Yet another Le | :12:53. | :12:59. | |
Pen! All right, we will see. Just five years to wait, but only a few | :13:00. | :13:03. | |
hours until the results of the election tonight. | :13:04. | :13:06. | |
And we will get the exit polls here on the BBC. Given the exit polls | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
will give as a pretty fair indication of what the result is | :13:11. | :13:15. | |
going to be tonight. That will be on BBC news. That's all for today. | :13:16. | :13:18. | |
The Daily Politics will cover every turn of this election campaign, | :13:19. | :13:21. | |
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