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Welcome to the Sunday Politics, coming to you live from Edinburgh. | :00:37. | :00:42. | |
Terrorists who use the name Islamic State have carried out | :00:43. | :00:45. | |
their threat to murder the British aid worker, David Haines. | :00:46. | :00:53. | |
They released a video late last night, showing a masked man | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
beheading Mr Haines, who was taken captive in Syria 18 months ago. | :00:57. | :01:02. | |
The jihadist group have already beheaded two American journalists. | :01:03. | :01:04. | |
Now it's threatening the life of a second British hostage. | :01:05. | :01:06. | |
David Cameron described the murder as an act of pure evil. | :01:07. | :01:09. | |
As we speak he's chairing a meeting of the Cabinet's COBRA | :01:10. | :01:12. | |
President Obama said the US stood shoulder to shoulder | :01:13. | :01:15. | |
Alex Salmond says Scotland "stands on the cusp of history" as | :01:16. | :01:23. | |
he predicts a historic and substantial victory in | :01:24. | :01:25. | |
As the latest polls show the two sides neck and neck, | :01:26. | :01:33. | |
I'll ask Yes campaigner and socialist Tommy Sheridan about his | :01:34. | :01:35. | |
And after last week's last-minute interventions from Gordon Brown, | :01:36. | :01:43. | |
David Cameron, Ed Miliband and big business, I'll ask | :01:44. | :01:45. | |
pro-unionist George Galloway whether it's enough to win over waverers. | :01:46. | :01:57. | |
In London, Boris Johnson moves a step closer back to Parliament. Is | :01:58. | :02:00. | |
it a lame-duck administration? Late last night, as most folk were | :02:01. | :02:12. | |
preparing for bed, news broke that Islamic State extremists had carried | :02:13. | :02:15. | |
out their threat to murder the The group released a video, similar | :02:16. | :02:18. | |
to the ones in which two American journalists were decapitated, | :02:19. | :02:23. | |
showing a masked man apparently beheading Mr Haines who was taken | :02:24. | :02:24. | |
captive in Syria last year. The terrorist, | :02:25. | :02:28. | |
who has a southern British accent, also threatened the life | :02:29. | :02:31. | |
of a second hostage from the UK. Mr Haines is | :02:32. | :02:35. | |
the third Westerner to be killed His family have paid tribute to | :02:36. | :02:37. | |
his humanitarian work; they say he David Cameron described the murder | :02:38. | :02:42. | |
as an act of pure evil, and said his heart went out to Mr Haines? | :02:43. | :02:49. | |
family, who had shown extraordinary Mr Cameron went on to say, | :02:50. | :02:52. | |
"We will do everything in our power to hunt down these murderers | :02:53. | :03:01. | |
and ensure they face justice, Mr Haines was born in England | :03:02. | :03:04. | |
and brought up in Scotland. Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond | :03:05. | :03:08. | |
condemned the killing on the Marr Well, it's an act of unspeakable | :03:09. | :03:25. | |
barbarism that we have seen. Obviously our condolences go to the | :03:26. | :03:30. | |
family members of David Haynes who have borne this with such fortitude | :03:31. | :03:32. | |
in recent months -- David Alex Salmond was also asked | :03:33. | :03:39. | |
whether he supported military action Haines there is no reason to believe | :03:40. | :03:48. | |
whatsoever that China or Russia or any country will see their will to | :03:49. | :03:57. | |
deal with this barbarism. There is a will for effective, international, | :03:58. | :04:00. | |
legal action but it must come in that fashion, and I would urge that | :04:01. | :04:07. | |
to be a consideration to develop a collective response to what is a | :04:08. | :04:08. | |
threat to humanity. Our security correspondent | :04:09. | :04:10. | |
Gordon Corera joins me now Gordon, as we speak, the Cobra | :04:11. | :04:22. | |
emergency meeting is meeting yet again. It meets a lot these days. I | :04:23. | :04:28. | |
would suggest that the options facing this committee and Mr Cameron | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
are pretty limited. That's right. I think they are extremely limited. | :04:33. | :04:35. | |
They have been all along in these hostage situations. We know, for | :04:36. | :04:40. | |
instance, that British government policy is not to pay ransom is to | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
kidnappers. Other Europeans states are thought to have done so to get | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
hostages released, and also not to make substantive policy concessions | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
to the groups, so while there might be contact, there won't be a lot of | :04:54. | :04:59. | |
options left. We know the US in the past has looked at rescue missions | :05:00. | :05:07. | |
and in July on operation to free the hostages, landing at the oil | :05:08. | :05:11. | |
facility in Syria but finding no one there. If you look at the options, | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
they are not great. That is the difficult situation which Cobra will | :05:16. | :05:22. | |
have been discussing the last hour. Does this make it more likely, | :05:23. | :05:27. | |
because it might have the direction the government was going in any way, | :05:28. | :05:31. | |
that we join with the Americans in perhaps the regional allies in air | :05:32. | :05:37. | |
strikes against Islamic State, not just in Iraq, but also in Syria. We | :05:38. | :05:43. | |
heard from President Obama outlining his strategy against Islamic State | :05:44. | :05:45. | |
last week when he talked about building a coalition, about | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
authorising air strikes. And training troops. We are still | :05:51. | :05:55. | |
waiting to hear what exact role the UK will play in that. We know it | :05:56. | :06:02. | |
will play a role because it has been arming the fishmonger forces but the | :06:03. | :06:10. | |
question is, will it actually conduct military strikes in Iraq -- | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
arming the passion are there. We have not got a clear answer from | :06:16. | :06:27. | |
government and that is something where they are ours to discuss what | :06:28. | :06:30. | |
was around the table. It's possible we might learn some more today as a | :06:31. | :06:34. | |
result of the Cobra meeting, but I think the government will be wanting | :06:35. | :06:38. | |
to not be seen to suddenly rushed to a completely different policy as a | :06:39. | :06:41. | |
result of one incident, however terrible it is. Whether it hardens | :06:42. | :06:46. | |
their reserve -- resolved to play more active role in the coalition, | :06:47. | :06:49. | |
that's possible, but we have to wait see to get the detail. -- wait and | :06:50. | :06:56. | |
see. What the whole country would like to see would be British and | :06:57. | :07:02. | |
American special forces going in and getting these guys. I think that | :07:03. | :07:05. | |
would unite the nation. But that is very difficult, isn't it? It is. As | :07:06. | :07:11. | |
you saw with a rescue mission a few months ago, the problem is getting | :07:12. | :07:14. | |
actionable intelligence on the ground at a particular moment. The | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
theory is that the group of kidnappers are moving the hostages | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
may be even every or few days, so you need intelligence and quickly | :07:23. | :07:25. | |
and then you need to be able to get the team onto the ground into that | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
time frame. That is clearly a possibility and something they will | :07:31. | :07:33. | |
be looking at, but it certainly challenging, particularly when you | :07:34. | :07:37. | |
have a group like this operating within its own state, effectively, | :07:38. | :07:41. | |
and knowing that other people are looking very hard for it and doing | :07:42. | :07:48. | |
everything they can to hide. Gordon, thank you very much. | :07:49. | :07:50. | |
Clegg dropped everything and headed to Scotland when a poll last Sunday | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
gave the YES vote its first ever lead in this prolonged referendum | :07:55. | :08:01. | |
If their reaction looked like panic, that's because it was. | :08:02. | :08:04. | |
Until last weekend, though the polls had been narrowing, | :08:05. | :08:06. | |
the consensus was still that NO would carry the day. | :08:07. | :08:09. | |
The new consensus is that it's too close to call. | :08:10. | :08:18. | |
If we look back at the beginning of the year, public opinion in Scotland | :08:19. | :08:24. | |
was fairly settled. The no campaign had a commanding lead across the | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
opinion polls, excluding the undecided voters. At one point, at | :08:29. | :08:31. | |
the end of last year, an average of 63% backed the no campaign and only | :08:32. | :08:39. | |
37% supported a yes vote. As we move into 2014 and up to this week, you | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
can see a clear trend emerging as the lead for the no campaign gets | :08:45. | :08:47. | |
narrower and narrower and the average of the most recent polls has | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
the contest hanging in the balance. There was a poll a week ago that put | :08:52. | :08:55. | |
the Yes campaign in the lead for the first time, 51% against 49%, but | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
that lead was not reflected in the other polls last week. For polls | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
were published last night, one by Salvation, for the macro-2 campaign | :09:06. | :09:17. | |
-- Better Together campaign, and there was another that gave a one | :09:18. | :09:21. | |
percentage point different. ICM have the yes campaign back in the lead at | :09:22. | :09:27. | |
54% and the no campaign at 46%, but their sample size was 705 Scottish | :09:28. | :09:33. | |
adults, smaller than usual. Another suggests that the contest remains on | :09:34. | :09:41. | |
a knife edge with 49.4% against 50.6%. When fed into the poll of | :09:42. | :09:46. | |
polls the figures average out with yes at 49% and polls -- no at 51%. | :09:47. | :09:53. | |
But some people think 18% are undecided, and it is how they vote | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
gets -- when they get to the polling booths that could make all the | :09:58. | :09:59. | |
difference. campaigner and Respect Party MP, | :10:00. | :10:00. | |
George Galloway. Welcome to the Sunday Politics. Big | :10:01. | :10:09. | |
business, big oil, big banks, the Tories, the Orange order, all | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
against Scottish independence. You sure you are on right side? Yes, | :10:14. | :10:18. | |
because the interests of working people are in staying together. This | :10:19. | :10:21. | |
is a troubled moment in a marriage, a very long marriage, in which some | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
good things and bad things have been achieved together. And there is no | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
doubt that the crockery is being thrown around the house of the | :10:31. | :10:34. | |
minute. But I believe that the underlying interests of working | :10:35. | :10:38. | |
people are on working on the relationship rather than divorce. I | :10:39. | :10:41. | |
have been divorced. It's a very messy, acrimonious, bitter affair | :10:42. | :10:45. | |
and it's particularly bad for the children will stop that's why I am | :10:46. | :10:49. | |
here. You talk about working people, and particularly Scottish working | :10:50. | :10:54. | |
people, they seem to have concluded that the social democracy they want | :10:55. | :10:58. | |
to create cannot now be done in a UK context. Why should they not have a | :10:59. | :11:05. | |
shot of going it alone? Because the opposite will happen. Separation | :11:06. | :11:08. | |
will cause a race to the bottom in taxation. Alex Salmond has already | :11:09. | :11:12. | |
announced he will cut the taxes on companies, corporation tax, down to | :11:13. | :11:16. | |
3% hello whatever it is in the rest of these islands. And business will | :11:17. | :11:22. | |
only be attracted to come here, country of 5 million people on if | :11:23. | :11:28. | |
there is low regulation, low public expenditure, low levels of taxation | :11:29. | :11:34. | |
for them will stop you cannot have Scandinavian social democracy on | :11:35. | :11:38. | |
Texan levels of taxation. The British government, as will be, the | :11:39. | :11:41. | |
rest of the UK, they will race Alex Salmond to the bottom. If he cuts it | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
by three, they will cut it by four. And so on. So whether some people | :11:47. | :11:53. | |
cannot see it clearly yet or not, the interests of the working people | :11:54. | :11:56. | |
on both sides of the border would be gravely damaged by separation. Let's | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
take the interest of the working people. As you know, as well as | :12:01. | :12:04. | |
anyone, the coalition is in fermenting both a series of cuts and | :12:05. | :12:09. | |
reforms in welfare, and labour, Westminster Labour, has only limited | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
plans to reverse any of that. Surely if you want to preserve the welfare | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
state as it is, independence is the way to do it. For the reasons I just | :12:18. | :12:23. | |
explain, I don't believe that. But Ed Miliband will be along in a | :12:24. | :12:27. | |
minute. He will be along in May. The polls indicate... They say he is | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
only four or 5%, that is the average. Like the referendum, the | :12:34. | :12:38. | |
next general election could be nip and tuck. I don't, myself, think | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
that the time of David Cameron as Prime Minister is for much longer. I | :12:44. | :12:47. | |
think there will be a Labour government in the spring and the | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
Labour government in London and a stronger Scottish Parliament, super | :12:52. | :12:56. | |
Devo Max, that is now on the table. That is the best arrangement of | :12:57. | :13:02. | |
people in the country. But the people of Scotland surely cannot | :13:03. | :13:06. | |
base a decision on independence on your feeling that Labour might win | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
the next general election. It is my feeling. When the Tories were beaten | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
on the bedroom tax last week in the house, it was written all over the | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
faces of the government side not only that they were headed for | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
defeat, but probably a massive fishy -- Fisher. I think the race to the | :13:25. | :13:33. | |
bottom that I have proper size will mean that the welfare state will be | :13:34. | :13:39. | |
a distant memory quite soon. The cuts and the run on the Scottish | :13:40. | :13:45. | |
economy here in Edinburgh, the financial services industry, that | :13:46. | :13:49. | |
will be gravely damage. The Ministry of Defence jobs in Scotland | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
decimated, probably ended, more or less. It will be a time of cuts and | :13:55. | :14:02. | |
austerity, maybe super austerity in an independent Scotland. You | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
mentioned defence. What about nuclear weapons? The Tories and | :14:07. | :14:08. | |
Labour will keep them. You are against them. Surely the only way to | :14:09. | :14:13. | |
be rid of them in Scotland is by independence. But you are not rid of | :14:14. | :14:20. | |
them by telling them down the river. The danger would be the same -- | :14:21. | :14:23. | |
telling them down the river. The danger would be the same. Nuclear | :14:24. | :14:30. | |
radiation does not respect Alex Salmond's national boundaries. They | :14:31. | :14:34. | |
would be committed to immediately joining NATO, which is bristling | :14:35. | :14:38. | |
with nuclear weapons and is what -- involved in wars across the | :14:39. | :14:42. | |
Atlantic. So anyone looking for a peace option will have to elect a | :14:43. | :14:46. | |
government in Britain as a whole that will get rid of nuclear weapons | :14:47. | :14:51. | |
and get out of military entanglements. We are in one again | :14:52. | :14:53. | |
now. I have been up the whole night, till 5am, dealing with some of the | :14:54. | :15:01. | |
consequences and implications of the grave international matter that you | :15:02. | :15:04. | |
opened the show with. David Haines and the fate of the hostage still in | :15:05. | :15:11. | |
their hands. There are many other hostages as well. And there are many | :15:12. | :15:14. | |
people dying who are neither British nor American. I have, somehow, been | :15:15. | :15:21. | |
drawn into this matter. And it showed me, again, that the world is | :15:22. | :15:26. | |
interdependent. It is absolutely riven with division and hatred, and | :15:27. | :15:34. | |
this is the worst possible time to be opting out of the world to set up | :15:35. | :15:39. | |
a small mini-state on the promises of Alex Salmond of social democracy | :15:40. | :15:46. | |
funded by Texan taxes. Let's, for the sake of the next question, | :15:47. | :15:49. | |
assume that everything you have told us is true. Why is your side | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
squandering a 20 point lead? I will have a great deal to say | :15:54. | :16:09. | |
about that, whatever the result. This is very much a Scottish Labour | :16:10. | :16:17. | |
project, is that not a condemnation of Scottish Labour? It is | :16:18. | :16:23. | |
potentially on its deathbed. The country breaking up, the principal | :16:24. | :16:40. | |
responsibility will be on them. And the pitiful, absolutely pitiful job | :16:41. | :16:45. | |
that has been made of defending a 300-year-old relationship in this | :16:46. | :16:52. | |
island by the Scottish Labour leadership is really terrible for me | :16:53. | :16:57. | |
to behold, even though I'm no longer one of them. I don't know how they | :16:58. | :17:01. | |
are going to get out of this deathbed. Do you agree that if this | :17:02. | :17:07. | |
referendum is lost by your side, it will be because traditional | :17:08. | :17:10. | |
working-class Labour voters, particularly in the west of | :17:11. | :17:14. | |
Scotland, have abundant Labour and decided to vote for independence? | :17:15. | :17:20. | |
Without a doubt, the number of Labour voters intending to vote yes | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
is disturbingly high. Even just months ago during the European | :17:26. | :17:30. | |
Parliament elections, swathes of people who didn't vote SNP will be | :17:31. | :17:36. | |
voting yes on Thursday. That is a grave squandering of a great legacy | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
of Scottish Labour history, which history will decree as | :17:42. | :17:48. | |
unforgivable. If Labour is to get out of its deathbed in Scotland, it | :17:49. | :17:54. | |
will have to become Labour again. Real Labour again. I am ready to | :17:55. | :17:59. | |
help them with that. My goodness, they need help with it. I wonder if | :18:00. | :18:08. | |
it isn't just a failure of Labour in Scotland. People all over Britain | :18:09. | :18:12. | |
are increasingly fed up with the Westminster system, but it is only | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
the Scots who currently have the chance to break free from it, so why | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
shouldn't they? That is exactly right. They see a parliament of | :18:22. | :18:27. | |
expenses cheats led by Lord snooty and the Bullingdon club elite, | :18:28. | :18:33. | |
carrying through austerity for many but not for themselves and they are | :18:34. | :18:38. | |
repulsed by it. They need change, but you can go backwards and call it | :18:39. | :18:43. | |
change but it will be worse than the situation you have now. A lot of | :18:44. | :18:49. | |
Scottish people don't buy that. It is a big gamble. If I were poised to | :18:50. | :18:56. | |
put my family's life savings on the roulette table in Las Vegas, my wife | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
would not be scaremongering if she pointed out the potential | :19:02. | :19:05. | |
consequences if I'd lost. She would not be negative by telling me that | :19:06. | :19:10. | |
is my children's money I am risking. If I jumped off this roof it would | :19:11. | :19:14. | |
change my point of view, but it would be worse than the point of | :19:15. | :19:19. | |
view I have now. There is another issue here because the Scots are | :19:20. | :19:24. | |
being asked to gamble on the Westminster parties, which they are | :19:25. | :19:30. | |
already suspicious of, of delivering home rule. Alistair Darling could | :19:31. | :19:35. | |
not even tell me if Ed Balls had signed off on more income tax powers | :19:36. | :19:40. | |
for Scotland, so that is a gamble for the Scots. I feel the British | :19:41. | :19:44. | |
state has had such a shake out of all this that they would be beyond | :19:45. | :19:50. | |
idiots, they would be insane now to risk all of this flaring up again | :19:51. | :19:56. | |
because whatever happens, if we win on Thursday, it is going to be | :19:57. | :20:02. | |
narrowly. It will be a severe fissure in Scotland. A great deal of | :20:03. | :20:07. | |
unpleasantness that we are already aware of. That could turn but we're | :20:08. | :20:14. | |
still. It would be dicing with death, playing with fire, to let | :20:15. | :20:20. | |
Scottish people down after Thursday if we narrowly win. If you narrowly | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
win, and if there are moves to this home rule Mr Brown has been talking | :20:26. | :20:30. | |
about, England hasn't spoken yet on this. Whilst England would probably | :20:31. | :20:38. | |
not want to stop -- stop Scotland getting this, they would say, what | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
about us? It could delay the whole procedure. It is necessary, you are | :20:44. | :20:51. | |
right. England should have home rule, and I screamed at Scottish | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
Labour MPs going into the vote to introduce tuition fees in England. I | :20:57. | :21:03. | |
told them this was a constitutional monstrosity, as well as a crime | :21:04. | :21:07. | |
against young people in England. It was risking everything. We are led | :21:08. | :21:14. | |
by idiots. Our leaders are not James Bonds, they are Austin powers. We | :21:15. | :21:22. | |
need to change the leadership, not rip up a 300-year-old marriage. | :21:23. | :21:23. | |
Thank you. It's been one of the longest and | :21:24. | :21:28. | |
hardest fought political campaigns in history, with Alex Salmond firing | :21:29. | :21:31. | |
the starting gun on the referendum Adam's been stitching together | :21:32. | :21:34. | |
the key moments of the campaign. It is the other thing drawing people | :21:35. | :21:49. | |
to the Scottish parliament, the new great tapestry of Scotland. It is | :21:50. | :21:55. | |
the story of battles won and lost, Scottish moments, British moments, | :21:56. | :22:01. | |
famous Scots, and not so famous Scots. There is even a panel | :22:02. | :22:07. | |
dedicated to the rise of the SNP. Alex Salmond's majority in the | :22:08. | :22:10. | |
elections in 2011 made the referendum inevitable. It became | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
reality when he and David Cameron did a deal in Edinburgh one year | :22:16. | :22:21. | |
later. The Scottish Government set out its plans for independence in | :22:22. | :22:26. | |
this book, just a wish list to some, a sacred text to others. This White | :22:27. | :22:34. | |
Paper is the most detailed improvements that any people have | :22:35. | :22:39. | |
ever been offered in the world as a basis for becoming an independent | :22:40. | :22:44. | |
country. The no campaign, called Better Together, united the Tories, | :22:45. | :22:50. | |
Labour and the Lib Dems under the leadership of Alistair Darling. Then | :22:51. | :22:54. | |
the Scottish people were bombarded with two years of photo | :22:55. | :22:57. | |
opportunities and a lot of campaigning. For the no campaign, | :22:58. | :23:03. | |
Jim Murphy went on tour but took a break when he was egged and his | :23:04. | :23:08. | |
events were often hijacked by yes campaigners who were accused of | :23:09. | :23:13. | |
being intimidating. In turn, they accused the no campaign of using | :23:14. | :23:17. | |
scare tactics. Things heated up when the TV dinner -- during the TV | :23:18. | :23:25. | |
debate. Fever pitch was reached one week ago when one poll suggested the | :23:26. | :23:31. | |
yes campaign was in the lead for the first time. The three main | :23:32. | :23:36. | |
Westminster leaders ditched PMQs to head north. I think people can feel | :23:37. | :23:40. | |
it is like a general election, that you make a decision and five years | :23:41. | :23:44. | |
later you can make another decision if you are fed up with the Tories, | :23:45. | :23:48. | |
give them a kick... This is totally different. And Labour shelved not | :23:49. | :23:58. | |
quite 100 MPs onto the train, Alex Salmond took a helicopter instead. | :23:59. | :24:02. | |
This is about the formation of the NHS. A big theme of the yes campaign | :24:03. | :24:08. | |
is that changes to the NHS in Linden -- in England would lead to | :24:09. | :24:19. | |
privatisation in Scotland. Alex Salmond's plan to share the pound | :24:20. | :24:25. | |
was trashed by big names. There were other big question is, what would | :24:26. | :24:29. | |
happen to military hardware like Trident based on the Clyde? Would an | :24:30. | :24:34. | |
independent Scotland be able to join the EU? And how much oil was left | :24:35. | :24:39. | |
underneath the North Sea? This panel is about famous Scots, we | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
have Annie Lennox, Stephen Hendry, Sean Connery. I cannot see Gordon | :24:45. | :24:52. | |
Brown. These are big changes we are proposing to strengthen the Scottish | :24:53. | :24:56. | |
parliament, but at the same time to stay as part of the UK. A regular on | :24:57. | :25:01. | |
the campaign, he was front and centre when things got close, | :25:02. | :25:05. | |
unveiling a timetable for more devolution. People wondered whether | :25:06. | :25:10. | |
Ed Miliband was able to reach the parts of Scotland Labour leader | :25:11. | :25:15. | |
should reach, and at Westminster some Tories pondered whether David | :25:16. | :25:18. | |
Cameron could stay as prime minister if there was a yes vote. This | :25:19. | :25:22. | |
tapestry is nonpartisan so it is a good place to get away from it all | :25:23. | :25:28. | |
but it is crystallising voters' views. Look at what we have | :25:29. | :25:39. | |
contributed to Great Britain, and I am British and I hope to be staying | :25:40. | :25:42. | |
British. This is what people from Scotland have done, taken to the | :25:43. | :25:45. | |
rest of the world in many cases and I think I am going to vote yes. I am | :25:46. | :25:49. | |
so inspired by it. It has certainly inspired me to have a go at | :25:50. | :25:54. | |
stitching. How long do you think it would take to do the whole thing? I | :25:55. | :26:00. | |
would say to put aside maybe 30 hours of stitching. Maybe by the | :26:01. | :26:04. | |
time I am done, we will know more about how the fabric of the nation | :26:05. | :26:05. | |
might be changing. And I've been joined | :26:06. | :26:09. | |
by yes campaigner and convenor of Scotland's Solidarity socialist | :26:10. | :26:12. | |
party, Tommy Sheridan. An economy dependent on oil, the | :26:13. | :26:24. | |
Queen as head of state, membership of the world 's premier nuclear | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
alliance of capitalist nations - is that the socialist Scotland you are | :26:30. | :26:40. | |
fighting for? No, that is the SNP's prospectus and they are entitled to | :26:41. | :26:44. | |
put forward their vision, but it is not mine or that of the majority of | :26:45. | :26:49. | |
Scotland. We will find out in two years. On Thursday we are not voting | :26:50. | :26:55. | |
for a political party, we are voting for our freedom as a country. That | :26:56. | :27:01. | |
is why people are going to vote yes on Thursday. A lot of people are | :27:02. | :27:04. | |
voting for what you call freedom because they think it will be more | :27:05. | :27:11. | |
Scotland. You have already got free prescriptions, no tuition fees, free | :27:12. | :27:15. | |
care for the elderly. You might not in future have that if public | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
spending is overdependent on the price of oil, over which you have no | :27:21. | :27:24. | |
control. We don't have to worry about one single resource, we | :27:25. | :27:28. | |
already have 20% of the fishing stock in Europe. We already have 25% | :27:29. | :27:36. | |
of the wind, wave and solar power generation. We, as an independent | :27:37. | :27:47. | |
country, have huge resources, natural resources but also people | :27:48. | :27:51. | |
resources. We have five first-class universities, food and beverages | :27:52. | :27:56. | |
industry which is the envy of the world. We have the ability to | :27:57. | :28:00. | |
produce the resources on the revenues that won't just maintain | :28:01. | :28:04. | |
the health service and education but it will develop health and | :28:05. | :28:07. | |
education. I don't want to stand still, I want to redistribute | :28:08. | :28:13. | |
wealth. But all of the projections of public spending for an | :28:14. | :28:19. | |
independent Scotland show that to keep spending at the current level | :28:20. | :28:24. | |
you need a strong price of oil and you are dependent on this commodity | :28:25. | :28:29. | |
which goes up and down and sideways. That is a gamble. I have got to | :28:30. | :28:34. | |
laugh because I have been told the most pessimistic is that in 40 years | :28:35. | :28:39. | |
the oil is running out, panic stations! If you were told by the | :28:40. | :28:45. | |
BBC you could only guarantee employment for the next 40 years you | :28:46. | :28:50. | |
would be over the moon. I am talking about in the next five. You need 50% | :28:51. | :28:57. | |
of your revenues to come from oil to continue spending and that is not a | :28:58. | :29:02. | |
guarantee. Of course it is, the minimum survival of the oil is 40 | :29:03. | :29:08. | |
years. Please get your viewers to go onto the Internet and look at the | :29:09. | :29:23. | |
website called oilandgas.com. The West Coast has 100 years of oil to | :29:24. | :29:30. | |
be extracted. It hasn't been done because in 1981 Michael Heseltine | :29:31. | :29:33. | |
said we cannot extract the oil because we have Trident going up and | :29:34. | :29:40. | |
down there. Let's get rid of Trident and extract the oil. You are a trot | :29:41. | :29:50. | |
right, why have you failed to learn his famous dictum, socialism in one | :29:51. | :29:55. | |
country is impossible. Revolutions and change are not just single | :29:56. | :30:00. | |
event. What will happen here on Thursday is a democratic revolution. | :30:01. | :30:05. | |
The people are fed up of being patronised and lied to by this mob | :30:06. | :30:10. | |
in Westminster who have used and abused us for far too long. The | :30:11. | :30:16. | |
smaller people now have a voice. What about socialism in one | :30:17. | :30:19. | |
country? Mr Trotsky warned you against that. The no campaign | :30:20. | :30:29. | |
represents the past. The yes campaign represents the future. That | :30:30. | :30:33. | |
is the truth of the matter. What we are going to do in an independent | :30:34. | :30:38. | |
Scotland is tackle inequality and a scourge of low pay. If we vote no on | :30:39. | :30:46. | |
Thursday, there will be more low pay on Friday, more poverty and food | :30:47. | :30:51. | |
banks on Friday. I'm not going to be lectured by these big banks, you | :30:52. | :30:58. | |
vote less -- yes and we will leave the country! The food banks will be | :30:59. | :31:06. | |
the ones closing. If you got your way, for the type of Scotland you | :31:07. | :31:11. | |
would like to see, state control of business, nationalisation of the | :31:12. | :31:16. | |
Manx, the roads to Carlisle will be clogged with people | :31:17. | :31:24. | |
Yes, hoping to come into Scotland, because in their hearts, the | :31:25. | :31:32. | |
Scottish people know that England want to see the people having the | :31:33. | :31:37. | |
bottle. The working class people in Liverpool, Newcastle, outside of | :31:38. | :31:39. | |
London, they are saying good on the jocks that are taking on big | :31:40. | :31:43. | |
business. When we are independent and investing in social housing, the | :31:44. | :31:48. | |
people of England will say, we can do that as well, and they will | :31:49. | :31:52. | |
rediscover the radical tradition. In wanting to build socialism in one | :31:53. | :31:56. | |
country, it really means you are fighting for the few, rather than | :31:57. | :31:59. | |
the many. You are bailing out of the socialist Battle for Britain. You | :32:00. | :32:03. | |
think it will be easier to make it work. Think globally, act locally | :32:04. | :32:12. | |
and we will build socialism in Scotland but I wanted across the | :32:13. | :32:15. | |
world. I won my brothers and sisters in England and Wales to be | :32:16. | :32:20. | |
encouraged by what we do so they can reject the Westminster consensus as | :32:21. | :32:24. | |
well -- I want. We had the three Stooges coming up to London, three | :32:25. | :32:28. | |
millionaires united on one thing, austerity. Doesn't matter whether Ed | :32:29. | :32:32. | |
Miliband wins the next election, he said he would stick to the story | :32:33. | :32:35. | |
spending cuts. Why vote for Ed Miliband? You wouldn't trust him to | :32:36. | :32:42. | |
run a bath, not a country. Let's see if this is realistic, this great | :32:43. | :32:45. | |
socialist vision. At the last Scottish election, the Socialist | :32:46. | :32:49. | |
party got 8000 votes. The Conservatives got 30 times more | :32:50. | :32:55. | |
votes. Where is the appetite in Scotland for your Marxist ideology | :32:56. | :32:59. | |
question we might not win it. But do you know what, see in two years | :33:00. | :33:03. | |
time. See when we have the Scottish general election. You won't -- you | :33:04. | :33:18. | |
are saying you might win and you went to the Holyrood election and | :33:19. | :33:23. | |
got 8000 Pope -- votes. The SNP won a democratic election and then won | :33:24. | :33:27. | |
the 2011 election and you know why they won? Because they picked up the | :33:28. | :33:30. | |
clothes that the Labour Party has thrown away. They picked up the | :33:31. | :33:34. | |
close of social democracy and protecting the health service was -- | :33:35. | :33:43. | |
service. There are people in the SNP who believe in public ownership and | :33:44. | :33:47. | |
people in the SNP who believe in the NHS should be written into a | :33:48. | :33:49. | |
constitution as never for sale people in the the SNP that think the | :33:50. | :33:54. | |
Royal mail should return to public ownership. That is there in black | :33:55. | :33:58. | |
and white. Do you agree with George Galloway that this is potentially a | :33:59. | :34:02. | |
crisis for Scottish Labour? Scottish Labour is finished. They are | :34:03. | :34:07. | |
absolutely finished. George is right in that. Scottish Labour is | :34:08. | :34:12. | |
finished. The irony of ironies is, Labour in Scotland has more chance | :34:13. | :34:14. | |
of recovery in an independent Scotland that they have in a no | :34:15. | :34:20. | |
vote. Labour in Scotland in an independent country will have to | :34:21. | :34:24. | |
rediscover the traditions of Keir Hardie, the ideas of Jimmy Maxon, | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
because right now, they are to the right of the SNP as a political | :34:30. | :34:36. | |
party. I understand the socialist vision, but it is where the appetite | :34:37. | :34:40. | |
is. And you look at the independence people in Scotland. One of your | :34:41. | :34:46. | |
colleagues, Brian Souter, a man who fought against the appeal -- repeal | :34:47. | :34:52. | |
of homosexual rights in Scotland. Another of your allies would seem to | :34:53. | :34:55. | |
be Rupert Murdoch, the man who engineered your downfall. You say he | :34:56. | :35:02. | |
engineered your downfall, but I'm still here and his newspaper has | :35:03. | :35:07. | |
closed. Whether it Rupert Murdoch, Brian Souter, or any other | :35:08. | :35:11. | |
millionaire supporting independence, I couldn't care less. This boat on | :35:12. | :35:15. | |
Thursday is not about millionaires, it is about the millions. -- this | :35:16. | :35:21. | |
vote. We will not be abused any young -- longer. Would you rather | :35:22. | :35:27. | |
not have their support? I couldn't care about the support. You know who | :35:28. | :35:31. | |
is supporting the union. It is the unions of the big businesses, the | :35:32. | :35:35. | |
BNP, UKIP, they are the ones who support it. You are giving me a | :35:36. | :35:43. | |
stray that has wandered into the campaign and are you seriously going | :35:44. | :35:46. | |
to argue with me that the establishment isn't united to try | :35:47. | :35:50. | |
and save the union? That is what they are trying to be. The BBC, you | :35:51. | :35:54. | |
have been a disgrace in your coverage of the campaign. Not you | :35:55. | :35:58. | |
personally. You don't have editorial control. The BBC coverage, | :35:59. | :36:03. | |
generally, has been a disgrace and the people. Oil and gas, go and look | :36:04. | :36:08. | |
at that, why is that not feature. Why is the idea of 100 years of oil | :36:09. | :36:12. | |
not featured in the campaign. Because the BBC does not want to see | :36:13. | :36:16. | |
it. Are you getting in your excuses if you lose? You better be kidding. | :36:17. | :36:21. | |
Is this the face of somebody looking to lose. We are going to win, 60/40. | :36:22. | :36:28. | |
Absolutely. There is a momentum that you guys are not seeing on the | :36:29. | :36:32. | |
working-class housing estates. Working class people are fed up | :36:33. | :36:36. | |
being taken for granted fed up with the lives of people dragging us into | :36:37. | :36:45. | |
tax cuts, bedroom tax for the poor. They will have power on Thursday, | :36:46. | :36:48. | |
and they will use it and vote for freedom. Are you happy with the way | :36:49. | :36:53. | |
the BBC has treated you today? So far, yes. I have still not been | :36:54. | :36:57. | |
offered a Coffey, but that might happen. That is an obvious example | :36:58. | :37:02. | |
of our bias. Tommy, we will speak to you later with George Galloway. | :37:03. | :00:12. | |
The last time a sewer was built in London was 150 years ago, otherwise | :00:13. | :00:17. | |
we would have a dirty River Thames. Andrew, back to you. | :00:18. | :00:23. | |
Can the No campaign still pull it off? | :00:24. | :00:28. | |
And even if they do is the whole of the UK now on the brink | :00:29. | :00:31. | |
I'm joined now by John McTernan, former adviser to Gordon Brown | :00:32. | :00:48. | |
and Tony Blair, Alex Bell, former Head of Policy for the SNP | :00:49. | :00:51. | |
and Lindsay McIntosh, the Times Scottish Political Editor. | :00:52. | :00:54. | |
And I'm delighted that Tommy and George have stayed too. | :00:55. | :01:00. | |
No fighting has broken out either. Where | :01:01. | :01:08. | |
No fighting has broken out either. have three full days to go | :01:09. | :01:08. | |
No fighting has broken out either. polling day. What is the state of | :01:09. | :01:11. | |
play? I think the poll of polls is accurate. 49 and 51%. What is vital | :01:12. | :01:19. | |
is to bring the undecided voters in, and they properly have about | :01:20. | :01:24. | |
500,000. I think there are a lot of undecided people. I think they know | :01:25. | :01:27. | |
which way they are leaning, but they haven't jumped. The hope of the no | :01:28. | :01:33. | |
campaign is that they will go for the status quo on Thursday. How do | :01:34. | :01:38. | |
you assess the state of the campaign now? The crucial thing is the big | :01:39. | :01:42. | |
swing. The swing has come towards yes, so will the momentum carry it | :01:43. | :01:51. | |
over the line? I will think it does, because it is an antiestablishment | :01:52. | :01:55. | |
swell, and its people responding to standard Western as the politicians | :01:56. | :02:00. | |
and saying that they want a new way -- Westminster politicians. I think | :02:01. | :02:05. | |
that yes will sneak it. A referendum can be more important than a general | :02:06. | :02:10. | |
election, and the Yes campaign have had the momentum. This was the week | :02:11. | :02:14. | |
the momentum stopped. We started the week looking as though yes were | :02:15. | :02:18. | |
going into the lead and then it stopped and most of the recent polls | :02:19. | :02:21. | |
show a distinct lead for the no campaign. A distinct lead? It is one | :02:22. | :02:27. | |
or two points. It is six in one poll, two in another, aiding | :02:28. | :02:33. | |
another. The poll of polls is a good way of measuring, and is it | :02:34. | :02:36. | |
statistically Nick -- nip and tuck? It is the week the momentum stopped. | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
About a fifth of the electorate. That will be a quarter of the | :02:42. | :02:44. | |
turnout have voted already, by postal vote, and they are running | :02:45. | :02:48. | |
very strongly towards no, so there is a whole bank of votes there. The | :02:49. | :02:54. | |
postal votes are skewed to the over 60s, and that is the demographic | :02:55. | :02:57. | |
that the Yes campaign have had the biggest trouble with. Absolutely, | :02:58. | :03:03. | |
the Yes campaign faced a challenge amongst the 16 and 18-year-olds and | :03:04. | :03:07. | |
always based challenge with the older voters. Trust me, I was the | :03:08. | :03:13. | |
decision the day the civil servants made it possible for the 16 to | :03:14. | :03:18. | |
18-year-olds to vote, and we said there was a victory for the no | :03:19. | :03:21. | |
campaign in that alone. The young tend to be conservative by nature. I | :03:22. | :03:27. | |
think again that to say that the momentum has stopped when you had a | :03:28. | :03:35. | |
20 point lead, this is a referendum whether people will speak and they | :03:36. | :03:40. | |
will be heard. Except for the one poll which needs a huge health | :03:41. | :03:45. | |
warning because of the size of the sample, the momentum is | :03:46. | :03:47. | |
unquestionably all the way through August is going in the direction of | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
yes. It hasn't quite continue to get to the 55/45 four yes that Alex | :03:53. | :03:58. | |
Salmond thinks will be the result. I would agree with John. This was the | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
momentum stalled. We saw the three leaders coming up, and that kept | :04:03. | :04:09. | |
Alex Salmond off the front pages on the television and we had a raft of | :04:10. | :04:12. | |
economic warnings which, although they were dismissed as | :04:13. | :04:15. | |
scaremongering, they will have had a lot of traction with voters. What | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
does the no campaign have to do in the final three days? It has to | :04:21. | :04:25. | |
focus on the undecided, relentlessly. It has to do stick to | :04:26. | :04:30. | |
the question of risk and keep pushing back on Alex Salmond to say | :04:31. | :04:33. | |
it doesn't matter if the banks leave, it will all be all right on | :04:34. | :04:38. | |
the night. The huge question amongst the undecided voters is about the | :04:39. | :04:41. | |
economy. It is about jobs and currency, about business. That risk | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
is what will crystallise in the ballot box on Thursday and that has | :04:47. | :04:50. | |
to be the focus. What does the Yes campaign have to do? It has to drive | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
home that the swing to the Yes campaign is motivated by people who | :04:55. | :04:58. | |
want a different politics. They have decided amongst themselves that they | :04:59. | :05:01. | |
want to change Scotland. The unfortunate thing is, even though | :05:02. | :05:07. | |
the no campaign has had the chance to put up after proposals, they have | :05:08. | :05:10. | |
failed. The Scottish people want their powers were a purpose and they | :05:11. | :05:13. | |
say that only the Yes campaign can deliver that. There will be two days | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
of relentless campaigning from today, Monday and Tuesday, then the | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
media, the newspapers, including your own, will come out with the | :05:22. | :05:27. | |
final poll, the ones that will be the closest to the day that the | :05:28. | :05:31. | |
Scots actually go and vote. I think we will see more polling this week, | :05:32. | :05:35. | |
but what is interesting is the extent to which the pollsters are | :05:36. | :05:38. | |
picking up what is going on in the street. We know we have a huge | :05:39. | :05:41. | |
number of voters who have never voted before and are not engage with | :05:42. | :05:47. | |
politics, so what will they do? The third candidate in the election, if | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
I can would in this way, are the polls. They might have a lot of | :05:52. | :05:53. | |
questions to answer on Friday morning. We were talking earlier | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
with George and Tommy about the Labour Party's consequences in all | :05:59. | :06:02. | |
of this. Gordon Brown, of course, has had a bit of a second coming as | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
a result of this referendum. I just want to play a clip of Gordon Brown | :06:07. | :06:09. | |
during the campaign and get a reaction. And I say this to Alex | :06:10. | :06:20. | |
Salmond himself. Up until today I am outside front line politics. If he | :06:21. | :06:23. | |
continues to peddle this deception, that the Scottish Parliament under | :06:24. | :06:28. | |
his leadership, and he cannot do anything to improve the health | :06:29. | :06:31. | |
service until he has a separate state, then I will want to join Joe | :06:32. | :06:38. | |
Hanlon want in and securing the return of a Labour government as | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
quickly as possible -- Johann Lamont. That was seen by some people | :06:43. | :06:49. | |
as Gordon Brown implying he might stand for the Scottish Parliament. | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
Whether it is yes or no, is Gordon Brown the saviour of Scottish | :06:54. | :06:59. | |
Labour? I did a double black the other night -- double act with him | :07:00. | :07:02. | |
the other night, and I must say he was a big beast all over again. He | :07:03. | :07:07. | |
crossed the stage Meli dealt with the audience brilliantly. He has a | :07:08. | :07:12. | |
certain presence, Gordon Brown, but he would really have to reinvent | :07:13. | :07:17. | |
himself quite considerably. He is capable of doing, but the man who | :07:18. | :07:23. | |
was the biographer of Jimmy Maxton, who pulled together the original red | :07:24. | :07:26. | |
paper on Scotland, he would have to be that Gordon Brown rather than the | :07:27. | :07:31. | |
Gordon Brown of some more melancholy events later. Tommy, you have both | :07:32. | :07:34. | |
been critical of the state of the Scottish Labour Party. Rather than | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
looking to Gordon Brown, which might be an interim solution, doesn't | :07:40. | :07:41. | |
Scottish Labour have to find a new generation of people to reignite it? | :07:42. | :07:46. | |
What George and I are agreed on, and you have to remember this question | :07:47. | :07:52. | |
of independence see us disagreeing passionately, and in most other | :07:53. | :07:54. | |
things we find ourselves in agreement, one thing is clear, | :07:55. | :07:58. | |
Scottish Labour is finished. They have lost the heart and soul of | :07:59. | :08:04. | |
Scotland. The fact that we are discussing with four days to go an | :08:05. | :08:07. | |
independence referendum that is neck and neck, Labour have failed | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
miserably, absolutely miserably, because they have given up | :08:13. | :08:15. | |
everything they stood for. The SNP has picked it up. They have just | :08:16. | :08:20. | |
taken on the bank -- mantle of a left of centre party and are picking | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
up support. Gordon and the rest, in my opinion, they represent the past. | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
The yes vote on the Yes campaign represents the future. What do you | :08:29. | :08:31. | |
say to that? There is nothing socialist about an SNP that wants to | :08:32. | :08:38. | |
cut business tax by 3% in the pan. There is nothing socialist about an | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
SNP destroying further education so they can give middle-class people | :08:43. | :08:46. | |
free education. The Labour Party is alive and kicking. You can see if it | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
is Gordon Brown, or Jim Murphy with the 100 days tour. But I hesitate to | :08:51. | :08:57. | |
use this word, but they are kind of privatised from the Scottish Labour | :08:58. | :09:00. | |
Party. They have rode their own fallow. Jim Murphy was on the stump | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
because official Scottish Labour did not want him leading their campaign. | :09:06. | :09:10. | |
Gordon Brown was, I think, kept off the stage until it became so | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
critical that he had to be brought back. I agree with John, the SNP | :09:15. | :09:20. | |
talks left but acts right. That is before they get state powers. That | :09:21. | :09:25. | |
is what is exciting about the referendum, it's not about the SNP, | :09:26. | :09:29. | |
it's about the people deciding. What we have heard so far in the | :09:30. | :09:32. | |
referendum campaign is that there is a desperate yearning in the | :09:33. | :09:36. | |
electorate for real politics, purposeful politics and for the | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
people to be represented. It is probably to the eternal shame of | :09:41. | :09:43. | |
labour that they gave up that role and other people are now taking it | :09:44. | :09:47. | |
upon themselves. How would you assess the state of the Labour | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
Party? The problem is that it was demolished by the SNP in 2011 and | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
what they should have done since then and in other circumstances is | :09:56. | :09:58. | |
take a real look within themselves and brought forward new talent and | :09:59. | :10:02. | |
policies and watch out what they stood for. They've been unable to do | :10:03. | :10:05. | |
that because they are locked in a constitutional row. It is the plan | :10:06. | :10:12. | |
of the Nationalists to fight the first Scottish general election as | :10:13. | :10:15. | |
an independent nation as a nationalist party with its own | :10:16. | :10:19. | |
programme. You don't all go your own way. Why don't you do that? You have | :10:20. | :10:24. | |
more on your main reason to be, so why not go, left, right and centre | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
question you are presuming you don't go the one-way. I do not see the | :10:30. | :10:33. | |
function of the SNP after the yes vote. I think it is clear that there | :10:34. | :10:37. | |
is an SNP under Nicola Sturgeon, an SNP which attracts votes from the | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
left and that is the one for me. Whether that is called the SNP or | :10:42. | :10:44. | |
something else, I don't know. I think the assumption that we are | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
going into a mirror of old politics in a new world is just fundamentally | :10:50. | :10:57. | |
flawed. That is interesting. Let's just bring in the English | :10:58. | :11:01. | |
dimensional. In many ways, England has not spoken in this referendum | :11:02. | :11:05. | |
campaign. Whether it is yes or no, it will, and to give you a flavour | :11:06. | :11:09. | |
of what some in England might be thinking was saying, here is a clip | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
from John Redwood. We are fed up with this lopsided devolution, this | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
unfair devolution. Scotland gets first-class Devolution, Wales gets | :11:19. | :11:21. | |
second-class devolution and England gets nothing. If Wales wants the | :11:22. | :11:24. | |
same as us, they should have it, and then there would be commonality so | :11:25. | :11:29. | |
we could discuss and decide in our own countries, in our own assemblies | :11:30. | :11:32. | |
in Parliament, all those things that are devolved. George, it was clear | :11:33. | :11:40. | |
that if Scotland voted yes for independence it has huge | :11:41. | :11:42. | |
implications for England than the UK, but it's also clear particularly | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
after Gordon Brown's intervention, even if it is no, it has huge | :11:48. | :11:51. | |
applications. You are, I suggest, agreeing with John Redwood that | :11:52. | :11:56. | |
there should be an English boys. It would be a step too far for me to | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
agree with him -- English voice. I appreciate I might have gone out on | :12:02. | :12:05. | |
a limb. He is the voice of Mars, the Balkan from Mars. My own | :12:06. | :12:11. | |
constituents in Bradford are asking, what about us? All these things | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
being done, all the extra mile is being travel to Scotland, what about | :12:17. | :12:20. | |
us? Labour would be well advised to adjust quickly on this so that the | :12:21. | :12:25. | |
John Redwood types do not steal the show. England has yes to use -- yet | :12:26. | :12:32. | |
to speak. It's interesting when you hear a Labour backbencher in | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
Scotland talk about a command paper. He is not in government. Gordon | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
Brown is going round Scotland promising things and he has | :12:42. | :12:44. | |
absolutely no chance of delivering them. The MPs in England will say, | :12:45. | :12:49. | |
hey, what are you talking about? We have never been discussed with that? | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
We have not agreed with that. The only way people in Scotland will get | :12:54. | :12:58. | |
the powers they deserve is by voting yes. Crystal ball time, Tommy, you | :12:59. | :13:03. | |
think it is 60/40. I will stick with it, because we have an unprecedented | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
election. 97% of Scotland is registered to vote. The working | :13:09. | :13:11. | |
class will vote in numbers never voted before. George? 55/45 for our | :13:12. | :13:20. | |
side. And if there is a rogue poll, the tek Levesley polled -- | :13:21. | :13:23. | |
technically flawed poll, which should not be published because it | :13:24. | :13:28. | |
is so flawed, then we would be stretching towards what I am | :13:29. | :13:31. | |
predicting already. I think in the last few days we will reach that. | :13:32. | :13:37. | |
Come on. If the no campaign can get the silent majority out, they will | :13:38. | :13:40. | |
edge it. You think they will win, but how much? They cannot give up in | :13:41. | :13:47. | |
a second, a moment or a mile. It is that close. It will be won by the | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
passionate view. I will go for a narrow yes victory. I'm the George, | :13:53. | :14:03. | |
53 or 54% in favour of Joe -- no. -- I am with George. I will leave you | :14:04. | :14:06. | |
to argue about that later. Thank you for being with us on the special | :14:07. | :14:08. | |
Sunday politics from Edinburgh. That's all from us today | :14:09. | :14:10. | |
in Scotland. Don't forget the Daily Politics will | :14:11. | :14:12. | |
have continuing coverage of the referendum campaign all this | :14:13. | :14:14. | |
week on BBC2 at midday. On Thursday night Huw Edwards will | :14:15. | :14:17. | |
be in Glasgow and I will be in London to bring you live coverage | :14:18. | :14:20. | |
of the results on BBC1 from 10.40 pm on a historic night for Scotland | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
and the rest of the United Kingdom. And I'll be back next Sunday | :14:25. | :14:27. | |
when we're live from the Labour Unless, of course, the referendum | :14:28. | :14:30. | |
result is so tumultuous even the Remember if it's Sunday, | :14:31. | :14:38. | |
it's the Sunday Politics. | :14:39. | :14:43. |