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Morning folks and welcome to The Sunday Politics, | :00:39. | :00:41. | |
live from the Conservative Conference in Birmingham. | :00:42. | :00:48. | |
There will be one less Conservative MP here after Mark Reckless defected | :00:49. | :00:49. | |
He joins us live from his constituency, where he has | :00:50. | :00:55. | |
It has not been the best of starts for the Prime Minister, as he | :00:56. | :01:02. | |
arrives in Birmingham for the last Tory conference before the election. | :01:03. | :01:04. | |
On top of the Reckless defection, a junior Tory minister has resigned | :01:05. | :01:07. | |
RAF jets have carried out their first mission over Iraq | :01:08. | :01:16. | |
And should we be targeting Syria, too? | :01:17. | :01:30. | |
In London, how the richest 1% are pulling further away, and why those | :01:31. | :01:35. | |
priced out are choosing to move away. | :01:36. | :01:40. | |
And joining me, three of the country's most loyal journalists, | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
who sadly have yet to resign or defect to our inferior rivals. | :01:45. | :01:47. | |
Nick Watt, Polly Toynbee and Janan Ganesh. | :01:48. | :01:53. | |
And, of course, they'll be tweeting throughout the programme. | :01:54. | :01:57. | |
And you too can get involved by using the hashtag #BBCSP. | :01:58. | :02:00. | |
At the current rate of Tory resignations, | :02:01. | :02:03. | |
Mr Cameron could be speaking to an empty hall when he makes his keynote | :02:04. | :02:07. | |
address to the Tory conference here in Birmingham tomorrow. | :02:08. | :02:10. | |
It's been a classic car crash of a start to the conference, with a UKIP | :02:11. | :02:14. | |
defection, a minister shamed into resignation by a sex scandal and | :02:15. | :02:18. | |
Ed Miliband's memory lapses now look like a little local difficulty. | :02:19. | :02:24. | |
Here's what the Prime Minister had to say | :02:25. | :02:31. | |
These things are frustrating and frankly counter-productive and | :02:32. | :02:43. | |
rather senseless. If you want to have a European referendum, if you | :02:44. | :02:47. | |
want to get the deficit down, if you want to build a stronger Britain | :02:48. | :02:50. | |
that we can be proud of, there is only one option, which is to have a | :02:51. | :02:54. | |
Conservative government after the next election. | :02:55. | :02:56. | |
And Mark Reckless joins me now from Rochester. | :02:57. | :03:04. | |
Welcome to the programme. Why did you lie to all your Conservative | :03:05. | :03:12. | |
colleagues and mislead those who elected you? Well, I am keeping | :03:13. | :03:15. | |
faith with my constituents and keeping my promises to them. You | :03:16. | :03:19. | |
heard the Prime Minister saying that the Conservative led government was | :03:20. | :03:22. | |
dealing with the deficit and cutting immigration. The reality is, we have | :03:23. | :03:27. | |
increased the national debt by more in five years than even Labour | :03:28. | :03:31. | |
managed in 13, and immigration is back up to the levels we saw under | :03:32. | :03:36. | |
Labour. I believe in the promises I made in 2010, and I want to keep my | :03:37. | :03:40. | |
words to my electorate, not least to deal with the deficit, cut | :03:41. | :03:43. | |
immigration, reform the political system, to localise powers back to | :03:44. | :03:48. | |
the community, particularly over house-building. The government has | :03:49. | :03:51. | |
broken its word on all those things are. I want to keep my word to my | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
voters here, and that is why I have done what I have done, by moving to | :03:57. | :04:02. | |
UKIP. You have not kept your words to your Conservative constituency | :04:03. | :04:06. | |
chairman. You assured him 48 hours ago that you would not defect, and | :04:07. | :04:10. | |
you left his voice mail on the Conservative Party chairman's office | :04:11. | :04:15. | |
telephone, missing to come to Birmingham to campaign for the | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
Tories. This is your voice mail... I have just picked up your e-mail... | :04:21. | :04:41. | |
So, Friday night, telling Grant Shapps you are coming to Birmingham | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
to campaign for the Tories. The next day, you are joining UKIP. Why did | :04:47. | :04:53. | |
you are a? I sounded a bit more hesitant on that call than I usually | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
do, and I am not sure if that was the full conversation. But you | :04:59. | :05:00. | |
cannot discuss these things in advance, you have to make a | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
decision. I have decided the future of this country is better served by | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
UKIP then it is by the Conservative Party under David Cameron. I made a | :05:09. | :05:14. | |
lot of promises to my constituents, and I want to keep those promises. | :05:15. | :05:23. | |
That is why I am moving to UKIP, so I can deliver the change this | :05:24. | :05:29. | |
country really needs. In May of this year, you said that Nigel Farage, | :05:30. | :05:35. | |
quote, poses the most serious threat to a Tory victory at the election. | :05:36. | :05:40. | |
So, you agree, voting UKIP means a Labour government? I think voting | :05:41. | :05:46. | |
UKIP means getting UKIP. While in the past a disproportionate number | :05:47. | :05:49. | |
of UKIP people were ex-Conservatives, now, they are | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
winning a lot more people, from all parties. People are so disillusioned | :05:54. | :05:56. | |
with the political class in Westminster, that they have not | :05:57. | :05:59. | |
voted often for a generation. Those are the people Nigel Farage is | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
inspiring, and frankly, he has also inspired me. What he has done in the | :06:05. | :06:09. | |
last 20 years, building his party, getting people from all walks of | :06:10. | :06:14. | |
life, sending up for ordinary people, I think deserves support. | :06:15. | :06:17. | |
That is a key reason why I am moving. UKIP are now the agents of | :06:18. | :06:24. | |
change. You said it poses them a serious threat to a Tory victory? My | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
ambition is not a Tory victory. We made all of these promises in 2010 | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
as Conservatives, and they have been broken. We now hear from David | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
Cameron about English votes for English laws, supported by Nick | :06:38. | :06:41. | |
Clegg as well, but that is what we said in our manifesto in 2010, and | :06:42. | :06:45. | |
we have done absolutely nothing about it. It is not credible now to | :06:46. | :06:48. | |
pretend that you are going to do those things. They have omitted to | :06:49. | :06:54. | |
give every Scot ?1600 per year in definitely. If you want to stand up | :06:55. | :07:01. | |
for the English taxpayer, and really tackle the debt, then UKIP are the | :07:02. | :07:10. | |
party who will do that. But there is nothing principled about this, this | :07:11. | :07:14. | |
is just an attempt to save your skin. You said UKIP stopped you | :07:15. | :07:19. | |
winning in 2005 - UKIP did not stand in 2010, and you won. You are | :07:20. | :07:23. | |
frightened that UKIP would beat you in the next election, this is to | :07:24. | :07:29. | |
save your skin to me you think I am doing this because I am frightened, | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
you think this is the easy option, to abandon my position in | :07:34. | :07:36. | |
Parliament, but my principles on the line? On the contrary, you look at | :07:37. | :07:47. | |
MPs who have moved party before, almost none of them have given their | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
voters to chance to have a say on what they have done. I am asking | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
permission from my voters, and I am moving to UKIP because I believe | :07:56. | :07:59. | |
many of the people in my constituency have been let down by a | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
Conservative led government, and that what UKIP is saying appeals to | :08:04. | :08:06. | |
decent, hard-working people, who want to see real change in our | :08:07. | :08:14. | |
country. If they do not agree, then they can vote in a by-election and | :08:15. | :08:17. | |
have their say on who they want to be their MP. I am being open and | :08:18. | :08:25. | |
honest, giving people a say. I am trying to do the right thing by my | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
constituents, and whatever the risk is to me personally, I think it is | :08:30. | :08:34. | |
the right thing to do. It is what MPs should be in politics to try and | :08:35. | :08:38. | |
do for the people they represent. Your defection, coming after Douglas | :08:39. | :08:45. | |
Carswell's, confirms the claim that UKIP is largely a depository for | :08:46. | :08:47. | |
disaffected right-wing Tories like yourself, isn't it? On the contrary, | :08:48. | :08:54. | |
the number of people I met in Doncaster yesterday was | :08:55. | :08:57. | |
extraordinary. When I first went to Conservative conferences 20 years | :08:58. | :09:02. | |
ago, there was some enthusiasm for politics, I remember Norman Tebbit | :09:03. | :09:05. | |
speaking against Maastricht, people fought they could change things, | :09:06. | :09:09. | |
there was real politics. But I do not think you will see that at | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
Birmingham this week, it is PR people, lobbyists, corporate, few | :09:15. | :09:17. | |
ordinary members of. At Ancaster, people had saved up for months just | :09:18. | :09:21. | |
to get the rail ticket to Doncaster. People who believe in UKIP, who | :09:22. | :09:26. | |
believe in Nigel Farage, who believe in the team, as agents of change, | :09:27. | :09:33. | |
who can actually deal with a political class at Westminster which | :09:34. | :09:40. | |
has let able down. We want proper reform to the political system, | :09:41. | :09:43. | |
which David Cameron promises but does not deliver. Final question - | :09:44. | :09:50. | |
after the next election, the Prime Minister is going to be either David | :09:51. | :09:53. | |
Cameron or Ed Miliband, that is the choice, one or the other - who would | :09:54. | :10:00. | |
you prefer? Well, what we would prefer is to get the most UKIP | :10:01. | :10:03. | |
policies implemented. We want a first rate we want to deal with | :10:04. | :10:10. | |
immigration. I asked about who you wanted to be Prime Minister. We will | :10:11. | :10:16. | |
look at the circumstances. We need as many UKIP MPs as possible, to | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
restore trust in politics. If people vote UKIP, they will get UKIP. How | :10:22. | :10:34. | |
serious is this? I think it is very serious. It is the old Tory disease, | :10:35. | :10:39. | |
destroyed John Major, and it has been bubbling away again. It is | :10:40. | :10:42. | |
beginning to feel like the worst days of Labour in the early nineteen | :10:43. | :10:46. | |
eighties. It matters, because people care passionately. It is nothing | :10:47. | :10:52. | |
like Labour in the early 1980s, it is bad, but it is nothing like that. | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
There are these very strong strands. People like David Davis | :10:58. | :11:01. | |
writing a large piece in the Daily Mail attacking the leader on the | :11:02. | :11:04. | |
first day of the conference. That is the kind of thing that Labour used | :11:05. | :11:08. | |
to do. That is what David Davis does all the time! But this is authentic | :11:09. | :11:14. | |
in the sense that there is a real, genuine dispute about Europe. Some | :11:15. | :11:19. | |
of us were not around in the 1980s, but I imagine it is pretty bad. | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
There is the short-term problem of the by-election they might lose, the | :11:24. | :11:26. | |
media problem of the general election which they cannot win if | :11:27. | :11:29. | |
UKIP remain anywhere near their current level of support. But in | :11:30. | :11:32. | |
many ways the longer term question is the most pressing, which is, does | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
it make sense for the Conservative Party to remain one party, or would | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
it not be better for the hard-core of 20-30 intransigent Eurosceptics | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
to essentially join UKIP or form their own party? At least the | :11:47. | :11:52. | |
Conservatives would become more internally manageable. And probably | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
lose the next election. Probably, yes. That is what you are advising | :11:57. | :12:03. | |
them? If the reward is to have a coherent party in 15 years' time. It | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
is just as well you are a columnist, not a party strategist. I | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
was an anorak in the 1980s, who watched the Labour conference on the | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
TV. Were you wearing your anorak? Of course I was, that is how sad I am. | :12:19. | :12:22. | |
But once again the crisis from UKIP has forced the Prime Minister to | :12:23. | :12:26. | |
step in an even more Eurosceptic direction. Said on television what | :12:27. | :12:32. | |
he was trying not to say, which is that if he does not get his way in | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
the European negotiations, he will recommend to the British people that | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
we should go. He began by saying, as I have always said, and when they | :12:41. | :12:44. | |
say that, you know they are saying something new. He basically said, | :12:45. | :12:49. | |
Britain should not stay if it is not in Britain's interests. I think this | :12:50. | :12:54. | |
is big stakes for both the Tories and four UKIP. The Tories are able | :12:55. | :13:01. | |
to write off Clacton. Rochester is number 271 on the UKIP friendly | :13:02. | :13:05. | |
list. If the Tories win it, big moment for them. If UKIP lose it, | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
this strategy of various will be facing a bit of a setback. | :13:11. | :13:22. | |
To what extent are Mark Reckless's views shared by Conservative | :13:23. | :13:24. | |
The Sunday Politics commissioned an exclusive poll of Conservative | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
Pollsters ComRes spoke to over 1,000 councillors - | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
that's almost an eighth of their council base - and Eleanor Garnier | :13:35. | :13:36. | |
There is not a single party conference at the seaside this year, | :13:37. | :13:50. | |
and Sunday Politics could not get through them all without a trip to | :13:51. | :13:53. | |
the coast. So here we are on the shore in Sussex. There are plenty of | :13:54. | :13:57. | |
Conservative councillors here, and Tory MPs as well, but one challenge | :13:58. | :14:03. | |
they all face is UKIP, who have got their sights on coastal towns. | :14:04. | :14:09. | |
Places like Worthing East and surer and, with high numbers of | :14:10. | :14:12. | |
pensioners, providing rich pickings for UKIP. In West Sussex, the Tories | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
run the county council, but UKIP are the official opposition, with ten | :14:18. | :14:24. | |
councillors. We cannot lose any more ground to UKIP. If we lose any more | :14:25. | :14:28. | |
ground, if you look at the way it has swung from us to them, it is | :14:29. | :14:33. | |
getting near to being the middle point, where we might start losing | :14:34. | :14:36. | |
seats which we have always regarded as safe seats. So, it has got to be | :14:37. | :14:45. | |
stemmed, it cannot go any further. Our exclusive survey looked at the | :14:46. | :14:48. | |
policy areas where the Conservatives are vulnerable to UKIP. If an EU | :14:49. | :14:54. | |
Referendum Bill is called tomorrow, 45% say they would vote to leave, | :14:55. | :15:00. | |
39% would stay in. Asked about immigration... | :15:01. | :15:12. | |
It was those issues, Europe and immigration, that Mark Reckless said | :15:13. | :15:20. | |
were the head of his decision. I promised to cut immigration while | :15:21. | :15:25. | |
treating people fairly and humanely. I cannot keep that promise as a | :15:26. | :15:30. | |
Conservative, I can keep it as UKIP. When asked if Conservative | :15:31. | :15:34. | |
councillors would like an electoral pact with UKIP in the run-up to the | :15:35. | :15:39. | |
general election, one third said they support the idea. 63% are | :15:40. | :15:46. | |
opposed and 7% don't know. Conservative councillors who left | :15:47. | :15:51. | |
the party to join UKIP say it wasn't easy. I left because basically the | :15:52. | :15:58. | |
Conservatives left me. I saw it as a difficult decision to change, but | :15:59. | :16:03. | |
what I was seeing with UKIP was freed. Me being able to speak for my | :16:04. | :16:12. | |
residents. Back to our survey and on climate change 49% said it was | :16:13. | :16:17. | |
happening, but that humans are not to blame. Our survey showed that 60% | :16:18. | :16:24. | |
think David Cameron was wrong to pursue legalising gay marriage, with | :16:25. | :16:30. | |
31% saying it was the right thing to do and 9% not sure. In Worthing | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
councillors said gay marriage was divisive. That has really been an | :16:36. | :16:41. | |
issue here, it might have damaged the party slightly, and I think in a | :16:42. | :16:48. | |
way by setting a rule like that, it is a very religious thing and it is | :16:49. | :16:53. | |
almost trying to play God to make that decision. But some of the | :16:54. | :16:59. | |
party's toughest decisions have been over the economy. 56% in our survey | :17:00. | :17:05. | |
thought the spending cuts the Government has so far announced have | :17:06. | :17:10. | |
not gone far enough. 6% were not sure. They are prepared for | :17:11. | :17:16. | |
difficult decisions, but local activists say the party's voice must | :17:17. | :17:21. | |
be clearer. I think the message has to be more forceful, it has to be | :17:22. | :17:27. | |
specially targeted to the ex-Conservative voters who now vote | :17:28. | :17:33. | |
UKIP, especially in this area, the vast majority of UKIP people are | :17:34. | :17:36. | |
disillusioned Conservatives. The message has to be loud and strong, | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
come back and we are the party to give you what you want. With just | :17:42. | :17:45. | |
eight months until the general election, the pressure is on and | :17:46. | :17:50. | |
local Conservatives are searching for clues to help their party stem | :17:51. | :17:57. | |
the flow of defections. Joining me now is William Hague, the former | :17:58. | :18:03. | |
Foreign Secretary and the Leader of the House of Commons. | :18:04. | :18:07. | |
Tories like Mark Reckless are defecting to UKIP because they don't | :18:08. | :18:10. | |
trust the party leadership to deliver on Europe, do they? They | :18:11. | :18:16. | |
believe people like you and David Cameron will campaign to stay in and | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
they are right. They said before they defected that people should | :18:22. | :18:27. | |
vote Conservative to get a referendum on Europe, and that is | :18:28. | :18:33. | |
right of course. The only way to get a referendum is to do that and this | :18:34. | :18:37. | |
is the point, the people should decide. However a future government | :18:38. | :18:42. | |
decides it will campaign, it should be the people of the country who | :18:43. | :18:47. | |
decide. Can you say to our viewers this morning that is not enough | :18:48. | :18:52. | |
powers are repatriated back to Britain, you would want to come | :18:53. | :18:57. | |
out, can you say that? Our objective is to get those powers and stay in. | :18:58. | :19:03. | |
The answer to the question is I won't be deciding, David Cameron | :19:04. | :19:08. | |
won't be deciding, you the voters will be deciding. But you have to | :19:09. | :19:14. | |
give us your view. If you don't get enough powers back, would you vote | :19:15. | :19:19. | |
to come out and recommended? Our objective is to get those powers and | :19:20. | :19:25. | |
be able to stay in. You just get endless speculation years in | :19:26. | :19:29. | |
advance. I will decide at the time how I will vote. Surely that is the | :19:30. | :19:34. | |
rational position for everyone to take but I want a referendum to take | :19:35. | :19:40. | |
place. I understand that. As you pointed out to Mark Reckless just | :19:41. | :19:44. | |
now, unless there is a Conservative government, people won't have that | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
choice. Under a Labour government they will not get a choice at all. | :19:50. | :19:57. | |
Our survey of Tory councillors shows that almost 50% would vote to leave | :19:58. | :20:01. | |
the EU in a referendum. I think it showed, wasn't it 45, and 39%, but | :20:02. | :20:09. | |
again, I'm pretty sure they will decide at the time. They will want | :20:10. | :20:15. | |
to see what a future government achieves in a renegotiation before | :20:16. | :20:19. | |
they decide what to vote in a referendum. Unless David Cameron is | :20:20. | :20:23. | |
Prime Minister and there is a Conservative government, there will | :20:24. | :20:31. | |
not be a renegotiation. That is a point you have made four times. I | :20:32. | :20:36. | |
think they have got it. Your Cabinet colleague says we should not be | :20:37. | :20:39. | |
scared of quitting the EU, but you went native in the Foreign Office, | :20:40. | :20:44. | |
didn't you? You used to be a Eurosceptic, you are now the Foreign | :20:45. | :20:49. | |
Office line man. No, I don't think so! We brought back the first | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
reduced European budget ever in history. Even Margaret Thatcher... | :20:55. | :21:01. | |
Leaving the EU scares you, doesn't it? Not much scares me after 26 | :21:02. | :21:06. | |
years in politics but we want to do the best thing for the country. | :21:07. | :21:15. | |
Where we scared when we got us out of liability for Eurozone bailouts? | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
We were not scared of anybody. People said we couldn't achieve | :21:20. | :21:22. | |
things but we negotiated these things. We can do that with a wider | :21:23. | :21:30. | |
negotiation in Europe. Mr Reckless says he cannot keep the Conservative | :21:31. | :21:37. | |
promise to tackle immigration. You have failed to keep your promise to | :21:38. | :21:50. | |
keep net immigration down. You promised to cut it below 100,000, | :21:51. | :21:56. | |
you failed. It is over 200,000 people. We have cut it from 250,000 | :21:57. | :22:14. | |
in 2005, the last figures were 240,000. I think we can file that | :22:15. | :22:22. | |
under F four failed. It includes students, we want them in the | :22:23. | :22:26. | |
country. You knew that when you made the promise. But has it come down? | :22:27. | :22:31. | |
Yes, it has. Have we stopped the promise. But has it come down? | :22:32. | :22:38. | |
coming here because of our benefit system? Yes. None of that happened | :22:39. | :22:42. | |
under Labour. If Mark Reckless had his way, it would be more likely we | :22:43. | :22:48. | |
would have a Labour government. They have an open door policy on | :22:49. | :22:53. | |
immigration. You are not just losing MPs to UKIP, you are losing voters. | :22:54. | :22:59. | |
Polling by Michael Ashcroft shows that 20% of people who voted Tory in | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
2010 have abandoned youth and three quarters of them are voting UKIP | :23:05. | :23:09. | |
now. We will see in the general election. Politics is very fluid in | :23:10. | :23:15. | |
this country and we shouldn't deny that in any way but UKIP thought | :23:16. | :23:20. | |
they were going to win the by-election in Newark, we had a | :23:21. | :23:24. | |
thumping Conservative victory, and I think opinion polls are snapshots of | :23:25. | :23:29. | |
opinion now. They are not forecast of the general election and we will | :23:30. | :23:33. | |
be doing everything we can to get our message across. Today we are | :23:34. | :23:37. | |
announcing 3 million more apprenticeships in the next | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
Parliament. I think this is what people will be voting on, rather | :23:43. | :23:47. | |
than who has defected. Your activist base once parked with UKIP. Our | :23:48. | :23:55. | |
survey shows a third of Tory councillors would like a formal pact | :23:56. | :24:01. | |
with UKIP. Why not? It shows two thirds are against it. No, it shows | :24:02. | :24:10. | |
one third want it. I read the figures, it showed 67% don't want | :24:11. | :24:17. | |
it. We are not going to make a pact with other parties, and they don't | :24:18. | :24:21. | |
work in the British electoral system even if they were desirable. You are | :24:22. | :24:28. | |
sharing the Cabinet committee on English votes for English laws. Is | :24:29. | :24:33. | |
further devolution for Scotland conditional on progress towards | :24:34. | :24:38. | |
English devolution? No, the commitment to Scotland is | :24:39. | :24:41. | |
unconditional. We will meet the commitments to Scotland but we | :24:42. | :24:45. | |
believe, we the Conservatives believe, that in tandem with that we | :24:46. | :24:49. | |
have to resolve these questions about fairness to the rest of the UK | :24:50. | :24:55. | |
as well. That will depend on other parties or the general election | :24:56. | :24:59. | |
result. Are you committed to the Gordon Brown timetable? Yes, | :25:00. | :25:05. | |
absolutely. So you are committed to producing draft legislation by Burns | :25:06. | :25:10. | |
night, that is at the end of January. Will you produce proposals | :25:11. | :25:15. | |
for English votes on English laws by then? We will, but whether they are | :25:16. | :25:20. | |
agreed across the parties will depend on the other parties. There | :25:21. | :25:26. | |
was no sign that they were agreeable at the Labour conference. We will | :25:27. | :25:34. | |
produce our ideas on the same timetable as the timetable for | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
Scottish devolution. You will therefore bring forward proposals | :25:39. | :25:42. | |
for English votes for English laws by the end of January? Yes. And will | :25:43. | :25:48. | |
you attempt to get them on the statute book before the election? | :25:49. | :25:52. | |
The commitment in Scotland is to legislate after the election. You | :25:53. | :25:58. | |
will publish a bill beforehand? We will publish proposals beforehand. I | :25:59. | :26:03. | |
don't exclude doing something before the election, but the Scottish | :26:04. | :26:07. | |
timetable is to legislate for the further devolution after the general | :26:08. | :26:12. | |
election, whoever wins the election. Have you given thought as to what | :26:13. | :26:18. | |
English votes for English laws would mean? I have thought a lot of it | :26:19. | :26:24. | |
over 15 years. I am not going to prejudge what the outcome will be, | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
but it does mean in essence that when decisions are taken, decisions | :26:30. | :26:35. | |
that only affect England or only England and Wales, then only the MPs | :26:36. | :26:40. | |
from England and Wales should be making those decisions. You can | :26:41. | :26:43. | |
achieve that in many different ways. Is that it for English | :26:44. | :26:47. | |
devolution, is that what it amounts to? That is devolution to England if | :26:48. | :26:54. | |
you like, but within England there is a lot of other devolution going | :26:55. | :26:58. | |
on and we might well want to extend that further. We have given more | :26:59. | :27:03. | |
freedom to local authorities, there is a lot of scope to do more of | :27:04. | :27:08. | |
that, but that in itself is not the answer to the problem of what | :27:09. | :27:17. | |
happens at Westminster. You haven't just given Scotland more devolution | :27:18. | :27:22. | |
or planned to do it, you have also enshrined the Barnett formula and | :27:23. | :27:27. | |
that seems to be in perpetuity. It is widely regarded as being unfair | :27:28. | :27:31. | |
to Wales and many of the poorer English regions. Why do you | :27:32. | :27:36. | |
perpetuate it? It will become less relevant overtime if more | :27:37. | :27:43. | |
tax-raising powers... It goes all the way back to the 1970s, we made a | :27:44. | :27:49. | |
commitment on that, we will keep our commitments to Scotland as more -- | :27:50. | :27:53. | |
but as more tax-raising powers devolved, the Barnett formula is | :27:54. | :28:01. | |
less significant. If you transfer ?5 billion of tax-raising powers to | :28:02. | :28:06. | |
Scotland, 5 billion comes off the Barnett formula? It will be a lot | :28:07. | :28:11. | |
more complicated than that, but yes, as their own decisions about | :28:12. | :28:16. | |
taxation are made, the grand from Westminster will go down. And you | :28:17. | :28:21. | |
can guarantee that if there is a majority Conservative government, | :28:22. | :28:25. | |
there will be English votes for English laws after the election? | :28:26. | :28:29. | |
Yes, I stress again that there are different ways of doing it but if | :28:30. | :28:33. | |
there is no cross-party agreement on that, the Conservatives will produce | :28:34. | :28:37. | |
our proposals and campaign for them in the general election. Don't go | :28:38. | :28:43. | |
away because I want to move on to some other matters. | :28:44. | :28:48. | |
Now to the fight against so-called Islamic State terrorists. | :28:49. | :28:51. | |
Yesterday, RAF Tornado jets carried out their first flights over Iraq | :28:52. | :28:53. | |
since MPs gave their approval for air-strikes against the militants. | :28:54. | :28:56. | |
When you face a situation with psychobabble -- psychopathic killers | :28:57. | :29:05. | |
who have already brutally beheaded one of our own citizens, who have | :29:06. | :29:09. | |
already launched and tried to execute plots in our own country to | :29:10. | :29:14. | |
maim innocent people, we have a choice - we can either stand back | :29:15. | :29:19. | |
from this and say it is too difficult, let's let someone else | :29:20. | :29:23. | |
try to keep our country safe, or we take the correct decision to have a | :29:24. | :29:27. | |
full, comprehensive strategy but let's be prepared to play our role | :29:28. | :29:32. | |
to make sure these people cannot do not trust harm. | :29:33. | :29:36. | |
And William Hague is still with me - until July he was, of course, | :29:37. | :29:39. | |
Why have only six Tornado jets being mobilised? Do not assume that is all | :29:40. | :29:52. | |
that will be taking part in this operation. That is all that has been | :29:53. | :29:55. | |
announced and I do not think we should speculate. Even the Danes are | :29:56. | :30:03. | |
sending more fighter jets. There is no restriction in the House of | :30:04. | :30:05. | |
Commons resolution passed on Friday on what we can do. So why so | :30:06. | :30:11. | |
little? Do not underestimate what our Tornados can do. They have some | :30:12. | :30:16. | |
unique capabilities, capabilities which have been specifically asked | :30:17. | :30:20. | |
for by our allies. When you are on the wrong end of six Tornados, it | :30:21. | :30:24. | |
will not feel like a small effort. But there will be other things which | :30:25. | :30:29. | |
can add to that effort. We are joining in a month after the | :30:30. | :30:33. | |
operation started, we are late, we are behind America, France, | :30:34. | :30:39. | |
Australia, Jordan, the UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, one hand tied behind our | :30:40. | :30:42. | |
backs cause of the rule about not attacking Syria - why is the British | :30:43. | :30:48. | |
government leading from behind? First of all, we are a democratic | :30:49. | :30:51. | |
country, and you know all about Parliamentary approval. You could | :30:52. | :30:57. | |
have recalled parliament. We have done that, with a political | :30:58. | :31:01. | |
consensus. Other European countries also took the decision on Friday to | :31:02. | :31:06. | |
send their military assets. Our allies are absolutely content with | :31:07. | :31:09. | |
that, and Britain will play an important role, along with many | :31:10. | :31:12. | |
other nations, including Arab nations. General Sir David Richards | :31:13. | :31:20. | |
Sheriff, who just steps down as the Nato Deputy Supreme Commander, he | :31:21. | :31:25. | |
condemns the spineless lack of leadership and the absence of any | :31:26. | :31:27. | |
credible strategy. It is embarrassing,isn't it? Of course, | :31:28. | :31:38. | |
they turn into armchair generals. We are playing an important role, we | :31:39. | :31:42. | |
are a democratic country. Your viewers will remember, we had a vote | :31:43. | :31:46. | |
last year on military action in Syria and we were defeated in the | :31:47. | :31:50. | |
House of Commons, a bad moment for our foreign policy. We have taken | :31:51. | :31:54. | |
care to bring this forward when we can win a vote in the House of | :31:55. | :31:57. | |
Commons, and that is how we will proceed. The air Chief Marshal until | :31:58. | :32:06. | |
recently in charge of the RAF, he says, it makes no sense to bomb Iraq | :32:07. | :32:11. | |
but not Syria. He calls the decision ludicrous. Of course, it DOES make | :32:12. | :32:18. | |
sense to bomb Iraq, because the Iraqi government has asked for our | :32:19. | :32:26. | |
assistance. This came up a lot in the debate on Friday, and the Prime | :32:27. | :32:29. | |
Minister explained, similar to what I have just been saying, that there | :32:30. | :32:35. | |
is not a political consensus about Syria in the House of Commons. When | :32:36. | :32:39. | |
we did it last year, we were defeated, and it was described by | :32:40. | :32:43. | |
all commentators as a huge blow to the government and to our foreign | :32:44. | :32:49. | |
policy. So, we will bring forward proposals when there is a majority | :32:50. | :32:52. | |
in this country to do so in the House of Commons. Professor Michael | :32:53. | :32:57. | |
Clarke, one of the world top experts on military strategy and history, he | :32:58. | :33:04. | |
says there are very few important IS targets in northern Iraq, that they | :33:05. | :33:08. | |
are all in Syria, and we are limiting ourselves to the periphery | :33:09. | :33:12. | |
of the campaign. First of all, just because you are not doing everything | :33:13. | :33:16. | |
does not mean you should not do something. Secondly, the United | :33:17. | :33:20. | |
States and other countries are engaged in the action against | :33:21. | :33:24. | |
targets in Syria. This is a coalition effort, with people doing | :33:25. | :33:30. | |
different things. Thirdly, if we were to put their proposal to the | :33:31. | :33:33. | |
House of Commons tomorrow, and it was defeated, we would not have | :33:34. | :33:38. | |
achieved a great deal. You do not know it would have been defeated. | :33:39. | :33:42. | |
The Labour Party has given no indication they would have supported | :33:43. | :33:46. | |
that. So, you are hostage to the Labour Party? We have to win a | :33:47. | :33:50. | |
democratic vote in the House of Commons, and the Labour Party is a | :33:51. | :33:54. | |
very large part of the House of Commons. You are asking us to pursue | :33:55. | :34:00. | |
a policy which at the moment could be defeated in Parliament. Is it not | :34:01. | :34:05. | |
embarrassing to be on the wrong side of so many of these military | :34:06. | :34:10. | |
experts? Why should we trust the judgment of here today, gone | :34:11. | :34:14. | |
tomorrow, politicians? We have the military experts with us now. We | :34:15. | :34:21. | |
have a national security council, we do not have sofa government, unlike | :34:22. | :34:24. | |
the last government. The national security council is chaired by the | :34:25. | :34:28. | |
Prime Minister. Alongside the Chief of Defence Staff and the heads of | :34:29. | :34:36. | |
the intelligence agencies. And we take decisions together with the | :34:37. | :34:40. | |
people who have the information now. So, you will know what British | :34:41. | :34:46. | |
and American intelligence says about Syria. The Prime Minister has said | :34:47. | :34:51. | |
there is a danger that the British-born jihadists will come | :34:52. | :34:55. | |
back and attack us. But the intelligence reports which you will | :34:56. | :34:57. | |
have seen are clear - Al-Qaeda and its associates are selecting, | :34:58. | :35:03. | |
indoctrinating and training jihadists in Syria, not Iraq. Does | :35:04. | :35:09. | |
that not make the Syrian exclusion even more ludicrous? I cannot | :35:10. | :35:16. | |
comment on intelligence. Is the situation in Syria I direct threat | :35:17. | :35:21. | |
to this country? Yes, it is. Have we excluded action? No, we haven't. | :35:22. | :35:26. | |
Could you come back to the House? The Prime Minister said, it was in | :35:27. | :35:31. | |
the motion put to the House of Commons, that if we want to take | :35:32. | :35:35. | |
action in Syria, we will come back to the House of Commons. But we have | :35:36. | :35:39. | |
not taken any decision about that and we would not do so if we thought | :35:40. | :35:45. | |
we were going to be defeated again. The government supports US strikes | :35:46. | :35:48. | |
on Syria, show you must relieve they are legal. Either way the legal | :35:49. | :35:55. | |
basis differs from one country to another, according to their reading | :35:56. | :35:59. | |
of international law. But you have supported it. We do believe that | :36:00. | :36:05. | |
they and Arab countries are taking action legally and we support their | :36:06. | :36:09. | |
action. But I understand your legitimate questions. But it comes | :36:10. | :36:16. | |
back to your basic question, why in Iraq and not Syria. Nonetheless, it | :36:17. | :36:22. | |
is important to take action in Iraq. We are also engaged in Syria | :36:23. | :36:27. | |
in building up the political strength of the more moderate | :36:28. | :36:33. | |
opposition and in trying to bring about a peace agreement, and we do | :36:34. | :36:37. | |
not exclude action in Syria in the future. If we propose doing | :36:38. | :36:44. | |
something, then we ask for the specific legal advice. Why would you | :36:45. | :36:48. | |
not ask for the legal advice anyway? Because you have to be sure | :36:49. | :36:54. | |
of the legal advice at the time, and also we do not comment on the advice | :36:55. | :36:58. | |
given to us by the Law officers. Mr Blair ended up publishing his. That | :36:59. | :37:03. | |
was because there was a huge legal dispute. So you have not had legal | :37:04. | :37:07. | |
advice yet that Britain attacking Syria would be legal? The legal | :37:08. | :37:12. | |
situation is unlikely to be the barrier in this case, let me put it | :37:13. | :37:16. | |
that way. Within international law, you can act in the event of extreme | :37:17. | :37:26. | |
humanitarian distress and elective self-defence, so one can imagine | :37:27. | :37:29. | |
strong legal justification, but of course, we will take the legal | :37:30. | :37:30. | |
advice at the time. watching The Sunday Politics. We say | :37:31. | :37:32. | |
goodbye to viewers in Scotland, who Scotland. Coming up here in 20 | :37:33. | :37:37. | |
minutes, The Week Ahead. Scotland. Coming up here in 20 | :37:38. | :00:44. | |
My thanks to you both. Andrew, back to you. | :00:45. | :00:58. | |
Here we are back in Birmingham with the Conservatives. The Tories | :00:59. | :01:06. | |
thought all they had to do was come here, have a rally, a jamboree, and | :01:07. | :01:12. | |
off they go to the races, or in their case the general election. Two | :01:13. | :01:17. | |
races later it hasn't quite worked out like that. Let's look at the | :01:18. | :01:23. | |
state of this conference as it gets under way. On our panel we are | :01:24. | :01:29. | |
joined by David Davis. You wrote an article in the Mail on Sunday this | :01:30. | :01:34. | |
morning which was an Exocet at the heart of David Cameron's modernising | :01:35. | :01:40. | |
strategy. It was designed to act as a lever. It was designed to cause | :01:41. | :01:47. | |
trouble. No, we are in the running for the next general election. One | :01:48. | :01:51. | |
of the characteristics of having a five year fixed term Parliaments is | :01:52. | :01:55. | |
that the last year is about campaigning. It is important we beat | :01:56. | :02:00. | |
Miliband, he would be a disastrous Prime Minister. You think the whole | :02:01. | :02:06. | |
modernising strategy was a wrong turn, that is what the article said. | :02:07. | :02:14. | |
Yes. Has that opened the door to UKIP? It has left a lot of people | :02:15. | :02:34. | |
disillusioned with politics. What do you do to get it right? Who was | :02:35. | :02:36. | |
listening to you? Frankly we need to take a more | :02:37. | :03:11. | |
robust series of policies. How many more UKIP defections will there be? | :03:12. | :03:15. | |
I do not think there will be any more. I would be very surprised. I | :03:16. | :03:25. | |
know Nigel Farage has a brilliant sense of timing, but I do not think | :03:26. | :03:29. | |
he has got the resources to do that, namely, another Tory MP. So it could | :03:30. | :03:35. | |
be another Labour one, maybe? I think an awful lot will hinge on | :03:36. | :03:40. | |
what happens in Rochester. Because that is not a slam dunk. Clack and | :03:41. | :03:46. | |
unfortunately looks like it will be a walkover for them. But Rochester | :03:47. | :03:58. | |
is a different scene. And so, there could be a kind of Newark situation. | :03:59. | :04:04. | |
When I campaigned in Newark, two labour families I spoke to said they | :04:05. | :04:09. | |
would vote Tory to keep UKIP out. How bad was the Labour conference | :04:10. | :04:14. | |
last week? One politician said after he had a really bad performance that | :04:15. | :04:19. | |
his television performance was suboptimal. I think that would be a | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
good way of describing Ed Miliband's speech. The problem for | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
Ed Miliband in memorising speeches is that we are not auditioning for a | :04:29. | :04:31. | |
new lines Olivier, we're rehearsing for Prime Minister. He failed the | :04:32. | :04:37. | |
Laurence Olivier test, and therefore failed the Prime Minister test. I | :04:38. | :04:40. | |
think the real problem for him was forgetting to mention the deficit. | :04:41. | :04:43. | |
He spoke from the heart about issues which she really cares about, the | :04:44. | :04:49. | |
NHS, the rupture between wages and inflation, and forgot the deficit. | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
Those issues are important, but if you are not addressing things like | :04:54. | :04:56. | |
the deficit, then people are really not going to be listening to your | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
messages on the areas that matter. Was it bad? Yes, suboptimal, I am | :05:01. | :05:08. | |
afraid. I hope that this ends the nonsense of leaders wasting their | :05:09. | :05:11. | |
time learning speeches off by heart. You could learn a Shakespeare | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
play in the time it takes to learn 70 minutes of a leader's speech. I | :05:17. | :05:21. | |
think we should just go back to sensible reading what you have | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
written. You can then alter it just beforehand. A lot of things were | :05:26. | :05:29. | |
changing, which is not surprising, but he did not have time to learn | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
it. It is a silly gimmick, it worked once or twice, but that is enough | :05:34. | :05:37. | |
for that. Despite some of the derision of Mr Miliband, the Tories | :05:38. | :05:40. | |
are flat-lining in the sun decks, they have been there almost since | :05:41. | :05:45. | |
the disastrous budget, the omnishambles, of 2012, Labour is | :05:46. | :05:51. | |
still several points ahead, nothing seems to change? And David Cameron | :05:52. | :05:56. | |
is now the leader in trouble. It is almost as if a week is a long time | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
in politics. I thought the Labour and friends was Saab -- | :06:01. | :06:07. | |
sub-suboptimal. It was so parochial. You could've watched the top | :06:08. | :06:13. | |
speeches without knowing that the borders of Ukraine, and Iraq and | :06:14. | :06:18. | |
Syria were in question. I hope, because of Friday's discussion in | :06:19. | :06:21. | |
Parliament, that this conference will raise its sights a bit, and we | :06:22. | :06:26. | |
will have something in Cameron's speech, possibly that of George | :06:27. | :06:30. | |
Osborne as well, which is a bit more global. People hoped UKIP had gone | :06:31. | :06:35. | |
away during the summer, people at this conference, I mean, but it is | :06:36. | :06:42. | |
back with a bang. They are still up at 15% in the polls, the Tories | :06:43. | :06:46. | |
languishing on 32 - what is going to change? UKIP won 3% of the last | :06:47. | :06:51. | |
election, I always thought they would get about 6%. If, by the turn | :06:52. | :06:59. | |
of the year, they are still in double digits, I think at that point | :07:00. | :07:04. | |
you can begin to wake of his party's chances of winning. I have | :07:05. | :07:09. | |
had three people say to me so far, come election day, it will be fine, | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
people will sober up and so on. It will be all right on the night is | :07:14. | :07:17. | |
not a very good strategy, frankly. When they get past 5%, I start to | :07:18. | :07:25. | |
bite into our 3-way marginal seats, with liberals, Labour and Tories, | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
and we have got about 60 of those in the Midlands and the north, so it | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
really is quite serious. And if I may steal one of David's lines, when | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
you were interviewing Mark Reckless this morning, and was not talking | :07:39. | :07:43. | |
about the EU referendum, he was talking about how he felt he had | :07:44. | :07:46. | |
broken his pledges to the electorate because the Conservatives he said | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
had failed on immigration and on the deficit, and those sort of | :07:51. | :07:53. | |
bread-and-butter issues could be really potent on the doorstep, which | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
means the Tories have got to run the kind of campaign they ran in Newark, | :07:58. | :08:00. | |
which is a real centre ground, Reddan but a campaign, in which they | :08:01. | :08:05. | |
would hope to get Liberal Democrat and Labour voters out to vote | :08:06. | :08:10. | |
tactically against UKIP. I think today we have seen Cameron been | :08:11. | :08:15. | |
pushed to the right. He has had to say, yes, I would leave Europe, | :08:16. | :08:19. | |
which he has never said before. It is a huge stepping stone, a big | :08:20. | :08:23. | |
difference. It takes the Tory party somewhere else. May be get them a | :08:24. | :08:30. | |
lot of votes. But it has not so far. But I think it loses a lot of | :08:31. | :08:36. | |
people. The industry organisations, for example. The prospect of going | :08:37. | :08:40. | |
out of Europe, but is quite a fight for them. Is it not the lesson that | :08:41. | :08:46. | |
you can out UKIP UKIP? Well, you do not need to, really. I agree, last | :08:47. | :08:56. | |
week was sub-sub-suboptimal. Hold on, that is enough subs! I would not | :08:57. | :09:05. | |
be crowing too much! But what I was going to say, he left out something | :09:06. | :09:11. | |
incredibly important, the deficit. But how many people outside the M25 | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
are thinking about the deficit? One problem we face with Miliband is, he | :09:16. | :09:20. | |
is good at politics and bad at economics, in a way. He comes up | :09:21. | :09:25. | |
with bonkers policies which people love, price-fixing, things like | :09:26. | :09:29. | |
that. Our problem will be about relevance on the doorstep. I do not | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
think at the end of the day it will be about Europe. But was there not a | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
moment of danger for you at the conference, that one area where | :09:40. | :09:41. | |
Miliband is potentially vulnerable is not having credible team with | :09:42. | :09:45. | |
business. Who turned up at the Labour conference, the head of | :09:46. | :09:49. | |
Airbus, saying, we have got to stay in the European Union? The danger is | :09:50. | :09:54. | |
that Europe allows the Labour Party to gain credibility with business. | :09:55. | :10:02. | |
There is some truth in that. But we are in effectively the home | :10:03. | :10:06. | |
straight, the last six months, and people will be fussing about prices | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
and jobs. Very parochial. They will not be saying, what does the CBI | :10:12. | :10:14. | |
think about this? It is, what is happening to me, in my town, in my | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
factory, in my office. That is where the fight will be. Is it not the | :10:20. | :10:29. | |
truth that if UKIP stays anywhere near around this level of support, | :10:30. | :10:33. | |
it is impossible for the Tories to win an overall majority? I would | :10:34. | :10:37. | |
say, if it is this level of support, it is impossible for the Tories to | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
finish as the biggest party, even in a hung Parliament. The Tories keep | :10:42. | :10:45. | |
trying to win back UKIP voters with cold logic - witches it makes Ed | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
Miliband becoming prime minister more likely. UKIP is basically a | :10:51. | :10:56. | |
vessel phenomenon, coming from the gut, and David Cameron has never | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
found the emotional pitch in his rhetoric to meet that. I wonder | :11:01. | :11:02. | |
whether we will see that moron Wednesday. It is just not him. I | :11:03. | :11:14. | |
hope we do. -- more on Wednesday. I hope you're right that we do | :11:15. | :11:19. | |
actually engage on emotion. So far with UKIP, our policy has been to | :11:20. | :11:25. | |
insult them. It does not work. I know that from my constituency. We | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
have to say to them, there is a wider Tory family, we understand you | :11:30. | :11:32. | |
are patria, we understand you are worried about your family, and we do | :11:33. | :11:38. | |
the same. What does it tell us about the state of the Tories, seven | :11:39. | :11:40. | |
months from the election, the economy is going well, they are not | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
that far behind Labour, and yet there is all sorts of leadership | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
speculation? It is extraordinary. They are doing well, they are in | :11:50. | :11:52. | |
with a shout. It depends. UKIP has to be kept below 9% of. -- below | :11:53. | :12:05. | |
9%. I think David Cameron is one of the few who speaks human, actually | :12:06. | :12:09. | |
talks quite well to people and does not look like a swivel-eyed loons. | :12:10. | :12:12. | |
Whereas a lot of people behind him do. You look at Duncan Smith and | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
Eric Pickles, they are all kind of driven, ideological men, with very | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
right-wing policies. And nice people! Don't hold back! He is not | :12:23. | :12:30. | |
the Addams family, he is basically quite human. I think a lot of people | :12:31. | :12:36. | |
do not realise how ideological he is himself and how well he has led his | :12:37. | :12:39. | |
party in the direction they all want to go. You go on about him being | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
this metropolitan moderniser, I do not think that is what he is, | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
really. It may not be visible from the guardian offices in the | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
metropolis! Everybody where you are, Polly, is a metropolitan moderniser. | :12:54. | :12:59. | |
And where you are, too. That is the nature of living in London. The | :13:00. | :13:02. | |
trouble is, when these people get into Westminster, they are part of | :13:03. | :13:06. | |
Westminster, too. If you could only win by being an outsider, the moment | :13:07. | :13:12. | |
you get in, you are done for. All teeing up nicely for Boris Johnson | :13:13. | :13:15. | |
to be the next leader? I do not think so! The point of my Exocet, or | :13:16. | :13:24. | |
lever, this morning, is that I think this is winnable. If we are good | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
Tories for the next six months, we can do this. It is by denying ground | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
to UKIP, not giving in to them, not buckling. Denying ground. Thank you | :13:35. | :13:40. | |
to our panel. They did all right today, but the normal. That is your | :13:41. | :13:43. | |
lot for today. I am back tomorrow. We will have live coverage of George | :13:44. | :13:49. | |
Osborne's speech to the conference. I am back next week in Glasgow for | :13:50. | :13:53. | |
The Sunday Politics at the Labour conference. How could you miss | :13:54. | :13:58. | |
that? Remember, if it is Sunday, it is The Sunday Politics. Bye-bye. | :13:59. | :14:06. |