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The Welsh coastline. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:03 | |
Depths teeming with wonders. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
But there's more to nature than a feast for the eyes. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:15 | |
In many parts of the world... | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
..there's real concern about the effect of over-fishing... | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
..on the ocean environment. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
If the seabed is destroyed... | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
..it can take a very long time for something similar to return. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:31 | |
But controversial plans to introduce more conservation... | 0:00:32 | 0:00:37 | |
..and close parts of the Welsh coastline have caused anger. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:41 | |
If this error-strewn scheme comes into existence... | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
..this is the biggest threat to our community in Lleyn... | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
..in living memory. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
These are my wages. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
There wouldn't be any work. | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
Tonight, Taro Naw is visiting the first place in Britain... | 0:01:00 | 0:01:04 | |
..to establish a Marine Conservation Zone... | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
..to ask whether a similar scheme in Wales... | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
..could undermine communities... | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
..while attempting to protect wildlife. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
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The tip of Lleyn... | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
..and a fisherman from the area preparing for a big day. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:55 | |
He'll be battling politicians in Cardiff Bay and opposing plans... | 0:01:56 | 0:02:02 | |
..which he feels could change his life forever. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
We're losing a traditional way of living... | 0:02:05 | 0:02:09 | |
..which has been in my family for six generations. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
I feel I have a duty to protect that way of life... | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
..to the end. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
This is the bay where he works every day. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
Colin Evans fishes the sea around Bardsey Island... | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
..by using the same methods as his ancestors. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
With static pots. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
This one is perfectly healthy. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
It can go back in and hopefully it'll come back in a year or two. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:51 | |
It's a male. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
Conservation is our daily life. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
If we over-fish an area or disrespect it in an way... | 0:02:58 | 0:03:03 | |
..it's not there for us tomorrow or for future generations. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
But that continuity is under threat... | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
..if the Welsh Government's consultation on banning... | 0:03:11 | 0:03:15 | |
..fishing around the island is approved. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:19 | |
And this is the reason - the rich wildlife. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:26 | |
It's home to many species and, as a result, there are plans... | 0:03:26 | 0:03:31 | |
..to create a nature reserve... | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
..or Marine Conservation Zone near Bardsey. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
For Colin Evans, who uses the profits from fishing... | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
..to subsidise his boat business, which carries goods and visitors... | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
..back and forth to the island, it would be a major blow. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:51 | |
Commercial fishing for crabs and lobsters has existed here... | 0:03:51 | 0:03:56 | |
..since the mid-18th century, if not earlier. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
The island has relied upon it and still relies upon it today. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:04 | |
My concern, other than my own livelihood... | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
..is that the island will die and we'll lose the community. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:12 | |
But others are more concerned about the implications... | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
..of losing more sea life. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
Across the world, there's concern about environmental damage... | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
..climate change and the effects of over-fishing. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
The European parliament wants to introduce more conservation... | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
..and strengthen regions which have some regulation, like Cardigan Bay. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:38 | |
After research carried out by the Countryside Council for Wales... | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
..these are the 10 areas under consideration... | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
..as Marine Conservation Zones. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
The objective is to agree on three or four possible areas. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
The regulations could be strict. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
No fishing or activities which could damage wildlife. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
The Welsh habitat needs protecting because... | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
..even within the protected zones we have... | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
..over 50% aren't in favourable conservation status. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
They're being impacted, not only from fishing, but dredging... | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
..and the potential of climate change, so we need to... | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
..build in some resilience and that's what these sites will do. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:18 | |
In the Pencaer area of Pembrokeshire... | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
..four square kilometres of the sea is under consideration... | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
..including Abercastle Bay. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
Neville George is a crab and lobster fisherman. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
He says eight local fisherman with small boats... | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
..who work for themselves, could be affected. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
I fish a mile down the coast and I'm in the thick of it. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:47 | |
These are my wages. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
There wouldn't be any work. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
It's not just the fishermen. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
It's also the people we buy the bait and pots from... | 0:05:58 | 0:06:02 | |
..the buyers. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
There are a lot of people involved. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
The Government wants to reduce the impact on the sea... | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
..to promote biodiversity, rather than protecting specific species. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:16 | |
The fishermen are worried that they will be pushed to work... | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
..in nearby areas and intensify the fishing there. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
The fishermen argue against change if there's no environmental damage. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:29 | |
There's no scientific evidence at all. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
We go on the sea every day and the crabs and lobsters are good. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:37 | |
The mackerel are good. I'd say the stocks are good. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
They say otherwise, but they don't have the evidence. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:48 | |
Anthony Harris is a builder who has enjoyed fishing... | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
..from the coast and on the sea since he was young. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:59 | |
Leisure time is important. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
It's what my brother and I did when we were young boys. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:11 | |
We'd cycle to Strumble Head and to Abermawr and Aberbach... | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
..with lunch boxes from Mam. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
We'd spend all day, every day, enjoying ourselves on the rocks. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:23 | |
But under the proposals... | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
..this would have to stop if Abercastle was chosen. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
Fishing as a hobby, from land or a boat, could be banned. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:36 | |
The feeling locally is that far more would be lost. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
I couldn't ask for a better life than this. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
Being out, doing something we've enjoyed for years... | 0:07:45 | 0:07:49 | |
..especially with the boys... | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
..catching fish, enjoying the views, the fresh air... | 0:07:52 | 0:07:57 | |
..and everything this area gives us. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
Where are the fish today? | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
It's about socialising, keeping the community together... | 0:08:05 | 0:08:10 | |
..to enjoy what we have here. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
It would be very sad to lose that. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
It's not just fishing which is under threat. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
The consultation lists all kinds of activities... | 0:08:22 | 0:08:27 | |
..like pedalos, walking the quay and riding horses on the beaches... | 0:08:27 | 0:08:32 | |
..if they affect wildlife. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
That's how foolish these plans are... | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
..and how much common sense they lack. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
Banning such activities would affect... | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
..local people and visitors in these tourist areas. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:50 | |
Although the Welsh Government has promised to consider... | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
..economic and social factors... | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
..there has been strong opposition in many coastal communities. | 0:08:56 | 0:09:01 | |
If visitors found out that the Lleyn Peninsula is closed... | 0:09:01 | 0:09:05 | |
..they wouldn't come. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
We would lose our tourism industry overnight. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
If this continues, people might buy boats and go elsewhere. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:17 | |
The cost is a stamp and two minutes to write a letter. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:22 | |
The cost of not doing that is a serious blow to the area. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
The Countryside Council and the government... | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
..have explained that many of the activities... | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
..protestors were worried about won't be banned... | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
..such as building sand castles on beaches and swimming in the sea. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:43 | |
But the uncertainty has made it difficult to win the support... | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
..of communities which could be affected... | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
..and has failed to calm many people's fears. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
However, environmentalists are emphasising the purpose... | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
..and size of the zones. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
These are conservation measures, not fisheries measures. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:05 | |
We'll see benefits, not only from the wildlife point of view... | 0:10:05 | 0:10:10 | |
..but improved fisheries will also improve the Welsh economy. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
It is less than 1% of the marine environment. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
Many tropical countries have been dealing with the problem for years. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:23 | |
If they work overseas without affecting the communities... | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
..are we in Wales making an unnecessary fuss? | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
In the Severn Estuary is an island... | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
..which could show the way forward for the Welsh coastline. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
It's home to all kinds of wildlife. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
Twelve miles off the North Devon coast... | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
..is a well-known nature reserve. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
It's the first in Britain to be free of any human interference. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
Ten years since the experiment started... | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
..Lundy Island is a successful Marine Conservation Zone. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
One person who has followed developments there for decades... | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
..is the marine biologist, Professor Tegwyn Harris. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
If the seabed is destroyed... | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
..it can take a very long time for something similar to return. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:31 | |
There are different levels of conservation... | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
..and activities which don't cause damage are permitted in some areas. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:41 | |
That is where the most protected Marine Zone is. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:45 | |
In the four square kilometres on this side... | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
..everything except diving and swimming is banned... | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
..including mooring boats, which is what's being considered in Wales. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:58 | |
The aim is to prevent the seabed being damaged by man... | 0:11:58 | 0:12:03 | |
..and there are other obvious advantages. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
Fish are easily frightened... | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
..and you can have shoals of fish avoiding specific places... | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
..because they are frightened time and again. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:20 | |
If you remove those factors, then the fish will return... | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
..and that can affect animals like seals, which eat the fish. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:30 | |
The effects can spread... | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
..way beyond the original objective. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
According to a study on the Marine Zone, within five years... | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
..there were four times more lobsters of commercial size. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
The evidence suggests that has a positive impact on nearby areas... | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
..where some forms of fishing are allowed. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
The result is that underwater life around this island has increased. | 0:12:53 | 0:13:00 | |
Even the animals people are allowed to fish have increased. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:05 | |
It's improved the fisheries for lobsters, for example. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:09 | |
They are protected so well... | 0:13:09 | 0:13:13 | |
..around this island... | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
..that more of them survive... | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
..and grow big enough to be eaten. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
They move out of the areas where they're born... | 0:13:23 | 0:13:28 | |
..and they get caught. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
It's not just fishermen who are affected. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
Lundy Island is further from the mainland... | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
..than the areas being considered in Wales. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
But the island has benefited from its special status. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
Some ten years down the line, what we're seeing here... | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
..is that tourism has actually benefited greatly... | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
..from the zone because a lot of divers now come to Lundy... | 0:13:52 | 0:13:57 | |
..where they may have gone somewhere else. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
We're seeing an increase in tourism directly as a result of the zone... | 0:14:00 | 0:14:05 | |
..and the wider Marine Nature Reserve. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
Nature is not black and white. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
Of the 20 species used in the Lundy study... | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
..only three saw a change since the restrictions came to force... | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
..all of which used to be fished. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:22 | |
And while lobster numbers have increased significantly... | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
..red eyed crab numbers, eaten by the lobsters, have declined. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:31 | |
Scientifically, it's too early to assess... | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
..the ecological effects of the reserve and celebrate success. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:39 | |
The fishermen report back that they've seen larger lobsters... | 0:14:39 | 0:14:44 | |
..but they tend to be male lobsters. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
Lobsters are predatory and cannibalistic... | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
..and they eat their own stock. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
The large males have been eating the smaller females so we wonder... | 0:14:54 | 0:14:59 | |
..how long this explosion of lobsters will continue. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
But what do spill out into the adjacent area... | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
..it's such a small area that the amount of lobsters is going to... | 0:15:07 | 0:15:12 | |
..make an insignificant benefit to the incomes of those fishermen. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
Back in Wales and, unlike Lundy Island... | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
..there are complaints of a lack of consultation. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
The general reaction of fishermen in Lleyn was anger... | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
..as they filled a questionnaire on the possible effects on them. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
The authorities say there were plenty of meetings... | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
..to discuss the proposals... | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
..and that there will be further consultation before moving forward. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:45 | |
The fishermen wanted to be consulted sooner... | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
..before the possibility of banning fishing in some areas was chosen. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
It wasn't published. We didn't know it was happening. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
We didn't get a chance to express our views at that time... | 0:15:57 | 0:16:02 | |
..and that is when the damage was done, to be honest. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:07 | |
I've told them to come out with us and see how it's done. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:13 | |
We don't want to destroy anything. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
Did anyone come? | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
No. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:19 | |
No-one. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:21 | |
At one meeting in Pembrokeshire... | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
..we understand the residents of Abercastle were surprised... | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
..when representatives from the Welsh Government... | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
..acknowledged they had never visited the area. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
We asked the government whether they had visited... | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
..any of the ten areas being considered to learn about... | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
..the community and the possible effects... | 0:16:41 | 0:16:43 | |
..the Marine Zones could have. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
A spokesperson told us that Welsh Government officials... | 0:16:46 | 0:16:50 | |
..weren't aware of any formal visits... | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
..to any of the ten areas. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:57 | |
There may be lessons to be learnt abroad. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
Tanzania in east Africa has a Marine Conservation Zone... | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
..to protect one of the richest marine habitats in the world. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
One person who helped establish the Marine Zones... | 0:17:14 | 0:17:19 | |
..in Tanzania during the 1990s says they have been a success... | 0:17:19 | 0:17:24 | |
..with the help of one vital element. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:26 | |
We made sure we communicated with local people. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
That process took around two years. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
Without their support through that communication... | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
..I don't know if it's possible. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
Dr Evans and his team were in daily contact with the local people... | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
..to prevent damaging methods of fishing, such as using dynamite. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
Because they were using big boats, they had to establish... | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
..a partnership with local people. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
You have so many people, including the fishermen, backing the idea. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:02 | |
They have the right to fish in certain places... | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
..if they do it in a sustainable way... | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
..and respect the conservation regulations. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
They need the place to work for them. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
With so many communities backing this idea... | 0:18:15 | 0:18:19 | |
..you have hundreds of police officers. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
You only need a few people to see something like this happening. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:27 | |
They won't stop it every time, but 90 times out of 100... | 0:18:27 | 0:18:32 | |
..with information, radios, simple equipment... | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
..you can call the enforcement officer into the area... | 0:18:36 | 0:18:41 | |
..and, after five years, it stopped. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
There are similar complaints in Wales. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
During the night, boats come into our waters... | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
..with more damaging fishing methods... | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
..like trawling with nets which scrape the seabed. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
Some are calling for this to be stopped... | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
..rather than the protection of areas rich in wildlife. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
When the scallops season starts... | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
..boats from all over the UK will come to Wales, to Cardigan Bay... | 0:19:10 | 0:19:15 | |
..and they will trawl up and down. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
They come into the Special Area of Conservation illegally at night... | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
..around a mile from land, and then they leave. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:29 | |
The Government can't do anything about it. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
They say they are monitoring it, sometimes with the RAF or Navy... | 0:19:33 | 0:19:38 | |
..and they monitor it at times, but you say it doesn't happen. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:43 | |
It doesn't happen enough. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
According to Welsh Government statistics... | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
..seven captains of boats were successfully prosecuted in 2010. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
Six last year. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
The guilty fishermen came from Wales... | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
..England, Scotland and other European countries. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:00 | |
The majority were guilty of breaking fishing laws... | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
..six miles or more out at sea. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
Cardiff Bay, and members of the Welsh Fishing Association... | 0:20:08 | 0:20:12 | |
..putting forward their proposals for the Marine Conservation Zones. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:17 | |
They suggest working together to police the Marine Zones... | 0:20:17 | 0:20:22 | |
..but call for areas which would allow... | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
..sustainable methods of traditional fishing. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
The Welsh Government promised... | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
..that the fishermen's economic and social views would be considered... | 0:20:30 | 0:20:35 | |
..along with the 7,000 replies received during the first... | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
..consultation period. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
The Striking the Balance document is very valuable for us... | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
..as part of that engagement and part of that process. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
The title, Striking the Balance, is absolutely what we're trying to do. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
Following the dispute... | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
..it is acknowledged that they are better off working together. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:03 | |
That's the view of an academic who is carrying out... | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
..a three-year government study of Welsh fisheries. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
It will provide some suggestions on the best way... | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
..to adopt sustainable fishing methods. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
We could look into more spatial-based management... | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
..and protect areas to which there is a greater threat... | 0:21:19 | 0:21:24 | |
..and then areas which are quite resilient... | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
..we can allow some activities to continue. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
Evidently, some of these activities have been around the Welsh coats... | 0:21:31 | 0:21:36 | |
..for quite a while and they haven't done any harm... | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
..so that would be the way forward. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
Unless the Assembly provides the resources... | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
..to employ a team of people to police it... | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
..how will it work? | 0:21:50 | 0:21:51 | |
The Welsh Government's plans have angered many. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
We wanted to speak to the Environment Minister... | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
..John Griffiths, whose department is responsible for the proposals... | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
..and will decide on the next step, but he refused. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
We also wanted to speak to the agency which advised... | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
..the government and carried out scientific research... | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
..the Countryside Council... | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
..but they refused because the minister wouldn't be interviewed. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:21 | |
The Government's next step is getting closer. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
It's committed to establishing Conservation Zones... | 0:22:25 | 0:22:29 | |
..and feels strongly that something must be done. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
The big question is what sort of regulations will be introduced? | 0:22:33 | 0:22:38 | |
We mustn't miss this opportunity. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
We can't let the Government bury this... | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
..and make no changes. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
We have an opportunity to create a new form of marine conservation... | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
..but I don't think Conservation Zones are the way forward. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
S4C subtitled by Red Bee Media Ltd | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
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