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Plans to build more of these are causing disagreement... | 0:00:02 | 0:00:07 | |
..in the Montgomeryshire area. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
Those who protest against wind energy are threatening those in favour... | 0:00:10 | 0:00:16 | |
..thereby dividing the community. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:17 | |
Put simply, I feel intimidated. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
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A familiar scene in mid Wales. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
There are several wind farms here already. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
In the past five years... | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
..there's been a rise applications for planning permission for more. | 0:00:56 | 0:01:00 | |
Developers are following the lead of the Welsh Government... | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
..that Powys is a suitable location for them. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
Above Llanfair Caereinion... | 0:01:06 | 0:01:07 | |
..a turbine is awaiting connection to the National Grid. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:12 | |
Aled Morris is the owner and he and his brother, Gwyn... | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
..like many other farmers in Montgomeryshire... | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
..see payment from wind energy as a business venture. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
There aren't many options around here. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
There won't be any golf courses or anything up here. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
There's plenty of wind up here... | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
..and one turbine on the farm will be a big help... | 0:01:32 | 0:01:36 | |
..to keep things going over the coming years. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
But he's aware that some are opposed to having turbines on the land... | 0:01:40 | 0:01:44 | |
..and want to persuade farmers not to be tempted. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
They put my brother's mobile phone number on Facebook... | 0:01:48 | 0:01:54 | |
..and told people to contact him to tell him how evil he is. | 0:01:54 | 0:02:01 | |
There's one turbine on the farm. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:03 | |
Commercial companies are behind the biggest schemes... | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
..but there are several smaller developments by local farmers. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
They feel that money is what angers many. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
Some of it is down to jealousy. There is some of that sometimes. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:18 | |
In what way? | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
If I can't have it, why should someone else? | 0:02:20 | 0:02:24 | |
Some say Powys is familiar with turbines like these. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:30 | |
The Carno Wind Farm was built in 1996. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
Since then, their technology and size have changed a lot. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
In the fog and rain on this common ground... | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
..one of Wales's latest wind farms is being built... | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
..on Mynydd y Betws between the Amman Valley and Cwmtawe. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:51 | |
After completion... | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
..these turbines will be more like those planned for mid Wales. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:59 | |
They will be 110 metres tall at the highest point. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:04 | |
That's taller than some of Wales's tallest buildings... | 0:03:04 | 0:03:08 | |
..like Meridien Quay in Swansea and the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
There are currently seven wind farms in mid Wales... | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
..with 267 turbines on them. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
Powys Council officials say there are plans for 23 more sites... | 0:03:20 | 0:03:25 | |
..with some having already obtained planning permission... | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
..and the rest are in the planning process. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
If they all go ahead, there could be more than 800 new turbines in Powys. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:38 | |
That's as well as 73 individual turbines on farms... | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
..which have already been approved. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
'No wind farms. No wind farms.' | 0:03:45 | 0:03:50 | |
Llandrindod and police monitor a protest... | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
..outside a Powys Council meeting... | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
..to discuss three applications for large wind farms. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
The plans have angered many and they're showing it. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
Near Llanfair Caereinion, Buddug Bates and her husband... | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
..former AM Mick Bates, are in favour of wind power. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:16 | |
She's concerned that the intensity of feeling is dividing the community. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
If you are not completely opposed to wind power and turbines... | 0:04:20 | 0:04:25 | |
..there's almost something wrong with you. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:29 | |
It's like you're ignorant or insane. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
We're scared to say anything in favour or renewable energy. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:37 | |
I had a horrible experience in Meifod at an exhibition. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
I was almost attacked, only my daughter was with me. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
The last time I went to Llanfair Caereinion... | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
..the National Assembly knew about this... | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
..they asked me if I was happy to go out to the car on my own... | 0:04:52 | 0:04:58 | |
..or did I want someone to escort me. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
She thinks the bad feeling... | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
..and people's behaviour towards each other will affect communities. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
It certainly has an effect. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
You're almost thinking who you should avoid in certain areas. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:15 | |
It's that kind of thing. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
Although he says he won't benefit financially... | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
..this man welcomes the energy plans. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
He doesn't want to say that publicly as the opposers are so vociferous. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:29 | |
The anti-pylon group are very strong in these meetings... | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
..to the extent that they can completely disrupt them. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
They're in front of you, arguing with you. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
I know of someone who was confronted. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
Someone came up to them and said they'd heard... | 0:05:44 | 0:05:49 | |
..they were going to have a turbine on their farm... | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
..and that they were clearly acceptingmoney for it. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
As if there was something wrong in doing that. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
Taro Naw has spoken to many wind farm supporters... | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
..who fear saying so in public meetings... | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
..because of the behaviour of some protestors. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
I think those against are in the minority. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
only when you oppose something do you tend to rant and rave. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:18 | |
But on the whole, I'd say opinion is either in favour... | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
..or indifferent either way. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
And yet people refuse to speak openly and are frightened of the minority. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:33 | |
Yes, that's right. We are frightened. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
You don't want to turn up to be frightened and intimidated. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:42 | |
Life is too short for that. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
But with so many anti wind farm campaign groups having been set up... | 0:06:45 | 0:06:50 | |
..there are clearly councillors who do represent those opinions. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
'Out of date. Out of date.' | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
1,500 people travelled from mid Wales to Cardiff... | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
..to protest last year. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
There are now protests outside almost all meetings... | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
..related to energy and the National Grid. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
One of the most familiar groups is MAP - Montgomeryshire Against Pylons. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:14 | |
They argue more pylons won't be needed... | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
..if wind farm development is halted. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
I'm sorry if there's a feeling of abuse... | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
.. but that abuse is felt on both sides. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:26 | |
We are, certainly here, in the Efyrnwy Valley, in a situation... | 0:07:26 | 0:07:31 | |
..that we've had something foisted on us unexpectedly... | 0:07:31 | 0:07:38 | |
..over which we have very, very little control. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
What we'd like to have is a reasoned dialogue... | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
..with farmers, landowners who are looking to develop. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
Do you think it's reasonable... | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
..to put telephone numbers and names on the internet, on Facebook? | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
I think that the people who are looking to develop... | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
..do so for their own reasons and I think it is reasonable to allow... | 0:08:00 | 0:08:08 | |
..people to engage in a dialogue... | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
..with people who are seeking to develop... | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
..and they shouldn't feel difficult about having that dialogue. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:18 | |
MAP does include individuals with many differing opinions... | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
..some more extreme than others. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
Some people feel that a more robust response is appropriate. I don't. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:33 | |
Taking direct action? | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
I don't know, I haven't had that said to me... | 0:08:35 | 0:08:40 | |
..but the feeling is there, I think. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
If this campaign... How can I put this? | 0:08:42 | 0:08:49 | |
If we fail in our ability to stop National Grid... | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
..and stop this development, I'm pretty sure that public feeling... | 0:08:52 | 0:08:57 | |
..is so strong, people will feel so desperate... | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
..that they'll feel they have no other option. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
If a number of wind farms are approved... | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
..the National Grid is obliged to ensure... | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
..a sufficient electricity supply is extended to mid Wales. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:12 | |
In June, the Grid announced that an electricity sub-station... | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
..would be built outside in a village outside Montgomeryshire. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:20 | |
The scheme includes the building of 30 miles of pylons... | 0:09:20 | 0:09:24 | |
..or underground wiring to connect Cefn Coch and Oswestry. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
It's part of a £200 billion investment needed in Britain... | 0:09:28 | 0:09:32 | |
..to expand the energy network by 2020. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
People don't like buying houses, especially historic ones... | 0:09:36 | 0:09:41 | |
..with something like pylons going around or over or in front. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:49 | |
In the Vyrnwy Valley, near Llansantffriad-Ym-Mechain... | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
..this house is 400 years old and is registered with Cadw. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
It's also in the planned path of National Grid's new pylons. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:03 | |
We don't want to fight for our cause in our own back yard... | 0:10:03 | 0:10:10 | |
..and say it has to go down the Severn Valley. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
That's not the response of the people of Montgomeryshire. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
I think the people of Montgomeryshire have looked at it... | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
..and said if this was sensible, if it would genuinely save the world... | 0:10:20 | 0:10:26 | |
..and it was effective, we would accept it. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
But it isn't effective. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
The accusation has been made repeatedly that you don't want... | 0:10:32 | 0:10:38 | |
Yes, NIMBY. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
..in your area. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:41 | |
But I don't want to prostitute this area... | 0:10:41 | 0:10:46 | |
..allow foreign landowners, firms and politicians to do that. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:53 | |
As well as support from the Government... | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
..to encourage the development of wind energy... | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
..the campaigners are concerned about the height of the turbines. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:04 | |
Llandinam wind farm is one of the oldest in Britain. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:08 | |
It was opened in 1992 and at one time there were more turbines... | 0:11:08 | 0:11:14 | |
..on this site, 103, than any other site in Britain. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
These are around 45 metres high... | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
..and they produce around 31 megawatt of energy. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
The aim is to treble the amount of energy that's produced here... | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
..by demolishing the 103 and replacing them with 39. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
The new turbines would be taller, but not as tall as the ones... | 0:11:33 | 0:11:38 | |
..that have been recommended in another part of Powys. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:42 | |
There are seven wind farms in Mid Wales at the moment... | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
..and 23 new ones are in the planning system. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
That, as well as the network of pylons to carry electric wire... | 0:12:05 | 0:12:10 | |
..that would be needed, has caused discontent. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
There's a wonderful view in the hills near Llanfair Caereinion... | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
..towards Llanerfyl and Dyfnant Forest. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
The National Grid is intending to place turbines... | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
..across this landscape. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
Through the Efyrnwy Valley and in the direction of England. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
This tourism business, which includes an old farm house... | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
..and 12 holiday cottages benefits from the area's beauty. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
At the end of a wet September... | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
..these two from Devon have come here on holiday. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
Every year, the area attracts thousands of similar visitors. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:51 | |
If you go on our website... | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
..we market Graig Farm as "peace and quiet". | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
A chill-out zone. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
There is very beautiful scenery in the area. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
I want to try and keep that. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
We're not sure how much of an affect it will have. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
I don't think it's ever been assessed. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
I'm willing to stand here and say it won't affect our business. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
But it'll be too late then to put things in place... | 0:13:19 | 0:13:24 | |
..to help businesses that could be closed in 10 years. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:29 | |
People who live near the new line of pylons... | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
..are worried the plans will reduce house prices. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
According to the estate agents we've talked to... | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
..it seems that's already happening. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
It can have an affect of anything from no affect... | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
..up to as much as 40% of the market value... | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
..especially if they're close to the pylon route. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
People buy property in our area... | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
..because they want green fields, forests and trees. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:01 | |
They don't want to be looking at metal pylons. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
Several purchasers have pulled out of properties... | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
..because of the uncertainty over where the pylon route would go. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
They're not willing to take the risk. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
But some beautiful areas of Wales... | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
..have had electric pylons for decades. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
In Snowdonia, there are several popular attractions... | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
..that can't avoid the shadow of the metal towers... | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
..including the village of Portmeirion. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
The Brynteg Holiday Park is in Llanrug near Caernarfon. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
It's a stone's throw away from several pylons... | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
..but the managers say there have been no complaints. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:48 | |
They haven't affected this park. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
They were here before the park... | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
..and nobody has said anything about them. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
They seem natural to us because they've always been there. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
It would be better for everyone if they were underground... | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
..but they're here and if they work, why not leave them? | 0:15:03 | 0:15:08 | |
Further along this pylon path... | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
..are some of the area's most striking views in Ceinant... | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
..looking down at the Menai and the town of Caernarfon. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:19 | |
This woman has been enjoying the view for almost 50 years... | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
..and has lived in this house since before the pylons were built. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:29 | |
The first thing I see in the morning are the boats in Holyhead. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:34 | |
I've sold it two or three times... | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
..but I've changed my mind because I don't want to leave. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
Nobody said anything about these. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
Near Llanberis, a part of the village is overshadowed by pylons. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
This house is close to two of them. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
When it was built in the '80s, the pylons were already there. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
Rhian Thomas was brought up here and remembers moving to the house. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:02 | |
I was 15 and I thought it was big. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
But as soon as the house was built and we were in... | 0:16:06 | 0:16:11 | |
..you didn't hear any noise. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:13 | |
When it rains or it's damp, you hear crackling. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:17 | |
But apart from that, you wouldn't know it's there. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
Her parents have no intention to move... | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
..and Rhian's not worried about her children spending time... | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
..so close to electricity wires. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
But her friends reacted differently when they saw the place. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
They said it was big... | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
..and if it was raining, they'd ask what the noise was. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:42 | |
But after that, they got used to it. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
In Powys, the county council has already rejected applications... | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
..for five new wind farms this year. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
That will lead to public and expensive investigations. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:59 | |
The UK Government's energy department has the authority... | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
..to reject or approve developments... | 0:17:03 | 0:17:05 | |
..that produce more than 50 megawatts of energy. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
Near Llanwddyn and Lake Vyrnwy, these conifer trees... | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
..are part of Dyfnant Forest. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
The Forestry Commission controls it, a body that's about to join... | 0:17:18 | 0:17:23 | |
..the Environment Agency and the Countryside Council. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
So the real owners are the Welsh Government... | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
..and some of these trees will make way to around 35 turbines. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:35 | |
The initial plans emphasise that some of the turbines... | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
..could be 185 metres high. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
That's over 600 feet. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:43 | |
That's seven times taller than some of the trees that grow here. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:48 | |
Scottish Power Renewables has the contract to build the wind farm... | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
..but the Spanish company, Iberdrola, owns Scottish Power. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
Many believe this row wouldn't have emerged... | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
..if it wasn't for planning policy and a document called TAN 8... | 0:18:03 | 0:18:08 | |
..that was published in 2005. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
The Environment Minister at the time was Carwyn Jones... | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
..who's now the First Minister. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:16 | |
TAN 8 noted seven areas the Government believes... | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
..are suitable for development. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
It was also meant to offer leadership to local authorities... | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
..on what should be considered when decisions were made... | 0:18:27 | 0:18:31 | |
..on planning applications for wind farms. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
But Taro Naw has spoken to several of the local authorities... | 0:18:34 | 0:18:38 | |
..that were involved in the process. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
One former senior official says the document was a fait accompli. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
There was agreement... | 0:18:45 | 0:18:46 | |
..that the Government's consultation wasn't sufficient. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
TAN 8 doesn't consider how rural roads would cope... | 0:18:49 | 0:18:54 | |
..with big lorries carrying turbine parts. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
There's also been little consideration... | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
..as to how to connect this energy to the Grid. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:02 | |
Iwan Evans was a Chief Planning Officer in Gwynedd seven years ago. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
He agrees that the consultation was not thorough enough. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
There was a consultation. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
How much attention was paid to comments made by individuals... | 0:19:15 | 0:19:21 | |
..I'm not completely sure. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
There wasn't much difference between the draft and final versions. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:28 | |
Some say the final version was pushed through... | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
..more quickly to avoid carrying out an environmental assessment... | 0:19:33 | 0:19:40 | |
..on the final version before environmental rules and laws... | 0:19:40 | 0:19:45 | |
..came into being in 2005. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
The TAN 8 final document was passed before those rules were enforceable. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:55 | |
According to TAN 8... | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
..three areas in mid Wales were suitable for wind farms. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
It was an effective means of attracting... | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
..big business and local developers. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
While discussing the policy with the Welsh Government... | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
..several planning officers predicted problems. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
Not everyone agreed. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:13 | |
It didn't matter if some disagreed... | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
..it was a Government matter to form a policy. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:22 | |
As Carwyn Jones was Wales's Environment Minister... | 0:20:22 | 0:20:27 | |
..who introduced the controversial TAN 8 policy in 2005... | 0:20:27 | 0:20:31 | |
..we were keen to interview him but he refused. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
While preparing this programme, it was suggested to me... | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
..that the First Minster was advised not to be interviewed on the subject. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:43 | |
But this situation exists in Powys because TAN 8 earmarked three areas.. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:50 | |
..to develop wind energy here in mid Wales. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
A number of people have told Taro Naw that they too... | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
..would like to meet face-to-face with Carwyn Jones... | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
..to discuss their concerns. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:02 | |
A hundred miles of pylons and 20 acre sub-station... | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
At last year's show in Builth Wells... | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
..members of MAP invited the First Minister to Powys to meet them. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:13 | |
Why don't you come to Montgomeryshire? | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
I'll make a deal. You get the UK Government there... | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
A year later, the campaigners are still waiting. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
During the past 15 months, Carwyn Jones has said... | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
.. it's unnecessary to overdevelop mid Wales. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
But he then said that the National Grid's plans should be supported. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
The local AM feels he should respond publicly... | 0:21:33 | 0:21:37 | |
..to allegations against TAN 8 and admits his view is confusing. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
After going there with protesters last year... | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
..he made a statement, and I agreed with and welcomed what he said. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:49 | |
But after returning to discussions with the companies... | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
..he changed his mind. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:53 | |
Now he's hiding and won't talk. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
Go and interview him now, on this programme. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
Where is he, under the desk? He won't talk at all. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
He agrees that TAN 8 was agreed before consultation. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:11 | |
Carwyn Jones wanted to be seen doing something. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:14 | |
He wanted to look the big man. He wanted to launch his new policy. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:19 | |
It was decided before they spoke to anyone. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
Some campaigners have told Taro Naw they would be prepared... | 0:22:23 | 0:22:27 | |
..to take their protest a stage further... | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
..to stop developments in Powys. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
Do you fear there will be violence? | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
Some have suggested to me that they would respond with violence. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
Well, people can lose their tempers. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
But no, it's a gentle area. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:45 | |
But there is a danger that if the turbines and pylons were approved... | 0:22:46 | 0:22:50 | |
..that the response would be angry. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
I think if every other avenue is exhausted... | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
..and our peaceful campaign fails... | 0:22:56 | 0:22:58 | |
..I can almost guarantee that there will be a degree of civil unrest. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
Gwyn Morris is waiting to hear whether he'll get permission... | 0:23:04 | 0:23:08 | |
..for one turbine on his farm next door to his brother's. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:12 | |
Although he won't change his mind, he thinks the protests... | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
..are already affecting some farmers. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
I'm sure there are, when you see this hysteria against these pylons. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:23 | |
Yes, they've backed off, thought twice. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
Others predicting that communities will divide... | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
..and be weary of attending public meetings in the future... | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
..because of the way the protesters make them feel. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:38 | |
Uncomfortable, certainly uncomfortable. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:41 | |
That's not how is used to be here. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 |