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The Lleyn Peninsula is known for its views and tranquillity. | 0:00:01 | 0:00:05 | |
Beneath that calm surface, communities are starting to split. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:10 | |
Accusations have been made that information isn't being shared... | 0:00:10 | 0:00:15 | |
..and that a Government department's figures are wrong. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:19 | |
One councillor has been called upon to resign. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
People are unwilling to share their views... | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
..in case they upset either side. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
What has caused this situation? | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
Plans to develop wind turbines. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
They say this is our Tryweryn. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
I don't believe there is a sadder scene in Welsh history... | 0:00:36 | 0:00:41 | |
..than that group of people running down the slope in Cwm Celyn. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
They divide society completely. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:47 | |
That is one of the worst things about the whole situation. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
We're seeing people who have been family friends for decades... | 0:00:51 | 0:00:56 | |
..are falling out. It's terrible. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
Where agricultural communities are keen to have renewable energy... | 0:00:59 | 0:01:03 | |
..I believe that development should continue... | 0:01:03 | 0:01:08 | |
..as long as the development is sustainable... | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
..and isn't detrimental. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
I can't see anything detrimental in this turbine. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
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This was the first wind turbine to be erected on Lleyn. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
It's 34 metres high. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
It won't be the last... | 0:01:47 | 0:01:48 | |
..but you can't erect a turbine just anywhere on Lleyn. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
Some areas are recognised as Areas of Outstanding Natural Beauty. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:56 | |
But some familiar faces want the rules to be relaxed... | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
..so that turbines located anywhere. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
But opponents say this has angered them. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
They can't see much benefit for the community. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
They're also worried about the landscape. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
Llanaelhaearn, the village at the foot of the Tre'r Ceiri hillfort. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:24 | |
Part of the community is within the Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:29 | |
But recent figures show severe problems with poverty here. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:33 | |
Many families live in fuel poverty. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
One of the biggest disputes about wind turbine development is here. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
If you look across the valley, you can see the anemometer. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:47 | |
Saint Tudwal's Islands are next to it, well, in the sea nearby. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
The turbine will measure 67 metres. So, half again. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
David Hoole is the third generation of his family to live here. | 0:02:55 | 0:03:00 | |
He realized his dream of coming to live in the family home where he... | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
..spent most of his childhood. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
He knew nothing of the plans for a wind turbine. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:11 | |
If it's a community project, everybody should know in advance. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
I wasn't aware of it. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
Most people in the area didn't know about it... | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
..including the villagers. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
This has come in under the community banner. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
But the community wasn't able to express its views. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:31 | |
This is the anemometer which measures wind speeds on the site... | 0:03:32 | 0:03:37 | |
..where the turbine would be. The turbine would be 67 metres tall. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:43 | |
But it's claimed local people weren't given enough information. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:48 | |
I don't think they wanted people to know what was happening... | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
..and that there was a meeting. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
When we walked in, there were only half a dozen chairs out. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
Almost 100 people turned out. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
They weren't advertising it. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
Why? What's the reason for that? I don't know. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
But I, and some of my neighbours, thought people deserved to know. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:11 | |
As the news of the wind turbine scheme came to light... | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
..so did the differences between supporters and opponents. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:22 | |
Others were too scared to speak in public... | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
..in case they upset either side. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
It's already split long-standing friendships and family ties... | 0:04:28 | 0:04:33 | |
..just this single proposal. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:35 | |
I can't imagine that this proposal... | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
..is any different to others on the peninsula. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
So, it's very sad when kids that went to school together... | 0:04:41 | 0:04:46 | |
..and are now in their 40s and 50s, no longer speak. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
That's the case. That's where we are. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
Steve Dorling has lived in this valley for 14 years. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:58 | |
He believes people aren't prepared to speak about the plan in public. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:03 | |
I guess, in a close-knit community... | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
..people are going to be related to, married to, in business with... | 0:05:06 | 0:05:11 | |
..old friendships... | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
..and any other range of inter-connections... | 0:05:13 | 0:05:18 | |
..any other networking situations that you can describe. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
It's a very small community. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
If I speak to somebody in Llanaelhaearn this morning... | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
..somebody on Bardsey will tell me what I said this afternoon. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
At the root of the row is Antur Aelhaearn. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
It is a co-operative enterprize established 40 years ago... | 0:05:36 | 0:05:40 | |
..where local people made clothes to sell. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
That ended and there hasn't been much talk of the Antur until now. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:49 | |
The founder, Dr Carl Clowes... | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
..has returned to help set up the wind turbine scheme. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
People tend to oppose the idea on the whole... | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
..because they are concerned about the visual impact on the area... | 0:05:59 | 0:06:04 | |
..and the fantastic landscape here. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
Dr Clowes is well-known as a man with vision... | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
..who helps communities. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
He wants the turbine to help fund a project... | 0:06:13 | 0:06:17 | |
..to turn the old Babell Chapel into a nursery and heritage centre. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
For me, it would be, and I tell colleagues this... | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
..colleagues from Lleyn and opponents in the area... | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
..concerned about the landscape... | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
..the environment is much greater than the physical environment. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:40 | |
It would be a dangerous victory... | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
..if we managed to preserve this landscape as it is forever. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:48 | |
Taro 9 has also spoken with village residents... | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
..but they weren't prepared to be filmed. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
One person agreed to talk as long as we kept their identity secret. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
We have used an actor's voice. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
Some people are clearly in favour of the turbine... | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
..but half the village are against. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
There are basic problems with what's being offered. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
One offer is for Babell Chapel to be revamped. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
But who will benefit? | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
Is it the four investors or the community? | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
This is one question being asked. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
There's a feeling that the four investors and their families... | 0:07:22 | 0:07:26 | |
..will benefit from the Babell Chapel scheme. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
We haven't seen everything. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
They should show us their accounts and their business plan... | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
..so we can see how the village will benefit. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
We just want transparency. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
If the village gets some money, it will benefit the community. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
But are they using that to get this through planning? | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
Is it being used because they know the only way they'll get... | 0:07:47 | 0:07:52 | |
..something so industrial in such a beautiful place... | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
..is this community aspect? | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
The Antur says that's not true. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
The community would benefit from £100,000 per annum. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
To suggest for a second this is dealing with... | 0:08:05 | 0:08:09 | |
..some individuals more than others, that's not fair. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
It doesn't reflect the cooperative spirit... | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
..that we've got in mind for the area. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
Four local farmers are part of the scheme. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
Iolo Ellis, John Pritchard and Richard Parry Hughes. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
They all own land that's associated with the turbine development. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
The fourth, Dewi Hughes, John Pritchard's father-in-law... | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
..doesn't own land which is part of the development. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
I think you're going into detail now. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
Dewi is a local landowner. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
But not on the site where the turbine will be erected. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
He has the right... | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
..to buy into the scheme like everyone else. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
We have to differentiate between rumours and fantasy... | 0:08:54 | 0:08:58 | |
That's what we're trying to do. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
I'm sure you are. I'm trying to give you the facts... | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
..so you have a balanced and transparent programme. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
Following criticism about the lack of information... | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
..about the application, we contacted the four farmers... | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
..to ask for an interview. They declined. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
So we sent them a series of questions. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
Why are they supporting the scheme? | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
How much profit would they make? | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
Where will the road to the mast be built? | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
What about the concerns this could lead to more turbines... | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
..and that there won't be much community benefit. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
In response, the farmers said the project... | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
..was similar to other renewable energy projects... | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
..backed by the Welsh Government. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
They said a final business plan hasn't been completed yet. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
A comprehensive planning application will be introduced... | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
..later on, and the details about land usage will be given then. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
Steve Dorling is one of the few who's willing to go on camera. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
He said the Antur threw him out because he raised... | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
..difficult questions about the scheme. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
I have a letter saying I was thrown out because I brought... | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
..the Antur into disrepute. I did that by criticizing their aims... | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
..as far as this wind turbine proposal goes. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
I became outspoken and I became, if you like... | 0:10:18 | 0:10:23 | |
..the opposing voice, although I didn't elect myself... | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
..to be the opposing voice. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
Most of the opposing voice are my Welsh speaking... | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
..farming friends and neighbours. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:35 | |
In a response to Taro 9 a spokesman for the Antur said Mr Dorling... | 0:10:36 | 0:10:41 | |
..said he'd been thrown out for breaking constitutional rules. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
They wouldn't elaborate further. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
The turbine for Llanaelhaearn... | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
..isn't within the borders of the Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty. | 0:10:55 | 0:11:00 | |
But there are concerns over it's affect on the landscape. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:04 | |
I'm glad to be called a NIMBY. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
At the end of the day, this is my back garden. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
I don't want see turbines dotted all over this area. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
We have to protect these areas. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
You have to draw a line in the sand and say no. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
Industrial buildings won't be built in these areas. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
But protecting the landscape isn't the only concern. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:28 | |
One of Wales' naturalists is worried about the wider effects... | 0:11:28 | 0:11:32 | |
..based on his experience of turbines in other parts of Wales. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:36 | |
He questions companies' practice of offering something... | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
..to the communities. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
There's a lot of blackmail. We'll build a new centre. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
I've seen that in Mid Wales. Communities are split. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
That's one the worst things about it. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
We see people who have been family friends for decades... | 0:11:53 | 0:11:58 | |
..arguing and that's disgusting. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
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How should Welsh communities in the Lleyn Peninsula be developed... | 0:12:17 | 0:12:22 | |
..and protected? And how should the environment to be protected? | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
In several communities, that's what's led to disagreements... | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
..over wind turbines. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
Supporters see them as a renewable way of supporting rural areas... | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
..but opponents say that's nonsense. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
They aren't green. They're built abroad. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
The expertise is based abroad. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
They're imported here. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
They're then brought here on huge lorries. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
Roads need to be improved. These small tracks need to be improved... | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
..so they can be taken to where they'll be erected. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
Even with the smallest turbines, you need 200 tonnes of concrete... | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
..to place every one of them in the ground. What's green about that? | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
Those arguments have reached the tip of the peninsula... | 0:13:07 | 0:13:12 | |
..to the coast near Aberdaron, an area where it's all turned sour. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:18 | |
They say this is our Tryweryn. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
Certainly, there is no sadder sight in Welsh history... | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
..than seeing those people rushing down the slopes... | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
..after Cwm Celyn was drowned. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:30 | |
It will be sad to come to Lleyn a few years from now... | 0:13:30 | 0:13:34 | |
..with the place destroyed and the views spoilt. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
What's angered some local people is the application... | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
..for two turbines on Bodrydd farm, four miles from Aberdaron. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
The document stating who the landowners were was wrong. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
There were basic errors in the information prepared... | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
..by Natural Resources Wales. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
A letter from an opposer wrote a letter to the department... | 0:13:56 | 0:14:01 | |
..was somehow given to the land agency dealing with case. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:04 | |
Every planning application has to have a certificate showing... | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
..who owns the land. In the case of the Bodrydd turbine... | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
..the farm's owner, Huw Evans, who refused to speak to us... | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
..claimed he was the owner. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
But following further research, an Isle of Man company, Henniker... | 0:14:18 | 0:14:22 | |
..owns the land. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:24 | |
The Bodrydd application has been presented... | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
..and many erroneous landowner certificates... | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
..have been presented. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
Why that has happened, I don't know. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
A company from the Isle of Man that won't have to pay taxes... | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
..now owns that land. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
Another person opposing this is David Graves. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
He spent his childhood on the peninsula... | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
..and after settling here as an adult, he was shocked... | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
..by the applications to build turbines. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
As an engineer and surveyor, he questioned the Bodrydd application. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
He delayed the Bodrydd application by challenging... | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
..Natural Recourses Wales' report on the turbines' effect... | 0:15:07 | 0:15:12 | |
..on the nearby Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
The NRW said it would be 870 metres away from the AONB. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:19 | |
They passed that information on to the NRW and Gwynedd... | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
..and despite knowing it was wrong and the NRW knew it was wrong... | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
..the information was used in the report by the Welsh Government. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
That report is quite a big deal. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
It was also a big deal when they called it back in to say... | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
..we didn't do our due diligence, we didn't check the figures. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
We produced a report for a turbine in the wrong place. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
But in response to Mr Graves' complaint... | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
..while acknowledging they made mistakes... | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
..Natural Resources Wales said that didn't change their attitude... | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
..towards the development. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
David Graves discovered a letter he'd sent to NRW and others... | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
..had been given to the Bodrydd land agent, Dylan Evans. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:05 | |
He's the son of Bodrydd's developer and owner, Huw Evans. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
How he got it has been almost impossible because the NRW... | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
..have refused to ask Dylan Evans the simple question, "Who sent it?" | 0:16:14 | 0:16:18 | |
Perhaps it's an answer they don't want to hear. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
Taro 9 contacted everyone who received the letter... | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
..and they all, including Natural Resources Wales... | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
..deny giving it to Bodrydd's land agent. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
The situation was made more complicated because... | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
..Bodrydd is within the area represented... | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
..by Plaid Cymru councillor, Gareth Roberts. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
He backed the application but people were unhappy... | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
..as he hadn't declared his wife had been the business partner... | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
..of Huw Evan's sister in the past. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
I'd say it was because people were angry... | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
..I went contrary to their opinions. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
As far as the connection's concerned, my wife... | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
..was Wilma's business partner when we farmed Bardsey Island... | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
..as Cig Enlli. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:07 | |
That business ended about 12 years ago. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
So... | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
Gareth Roberts is a local farmer who supports... | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
..the idea of developing wind turbines. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
He says them as a way of supporting communities. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
But his views have angered some because he used to chair... | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
..the local Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty Committee. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:32 | |
I wouldn't feel comfortable to be chair... | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
..of Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty Committee and I'd resign. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
But Gareth Roberts says he did resign as chairman... | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
..a few days before the planning meeting... | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
..where he spoke in favour of the Bodrydd application. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
One of our problems here in Lleyn is we can't create wealth... | 0:17:52 | 0:17:57 | |
..to keep our children here, to create a future for them. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
Are we creating a museum here? | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
Nobody indigenous lives here, they can't afford to live here... | 0:18:04 | 0:18:08 | |
..and everything is prohibited here. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
It's a perfect place for visitors while no-one lives here. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
Despite the opposition, this application was passed last month. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:21 | |
Two turbines will be built here. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
But opponents will push for the decision to be overruled... | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
..on the basis that information by Natural Resources Wales was wrong. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:33 | |
What's angered people who have spoken to Taro 9 is... | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
..that rules for Areas of Outstanding Natural Beauty... | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
..which can be seen here in dark green... | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
..have prevented them from making small changes to their homes. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
They argue attitudes towards turbines appears different... | 0:18:52 | 0:18:56 | |
..but the local AM is in favour of relaxing the rules. | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
Where there are rural communities that are eager... | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
..for renewable energy on their land, that development... | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
..should be permitted as long as it is renewable... | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
..and won't be detrimental. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
I can't see anything detrimental in this wind turbine. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
He denies saying he doesn't see the point in protecting landscapes... | 0:19:18 | 0:19:23 | |
..for a few immigrants. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
But he does think people moving into an area... | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
..should be more tolerant. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
I have said I've noticed there are many people... | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
..who have moved into Wales and are voicing their opinions strongly... | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
..against Wales developing natural resources. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
I think that's very serious. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:44 | |
If people move to live in an area... | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
..they have to co-operate with the people of that area. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
The economy of this area is important to us all. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:55 | |
But a Llais Gwynedd councillor says wind turbines aren't the answer. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
Anwen Davies, who farms locally, started a needlework business... | 0:19:59 | 0:20:04 | |
..in order to make ends meet. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
But she understands the financial appeal of turbines. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
She was made an offer by a developer. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
The price he was going to pay was about £70,000 per annum. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
I've left it there. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
I don't want a turbine here. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
I don't want to see a turbine in my back garden either. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
People have to be cautious. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
What I've got to say is this. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
I'm not going to point the finger at people. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
I've got nothing against the landowners... | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
..but I am against their turbines. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
There's a difference between people and turbines. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
According to opponents, there's general concern... | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
..about the number of applications. The green ones have been passed. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
The ones in red have been rejected, and those in yellow are proposed. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
Why are they taking so long? | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
Because the wind turbines are still coming in. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
They take so long. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
I know there is time to put things together... | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
..but they have to realize that these turbines are still coming in. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:16 | |
It won't be long before they've closed in on us here. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
Gwynedd Council told Taro 9 they are still in consultation... | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
..over the wind planning guidelines on wind energy on land. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
They hope to publish a report next year. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
In the meantime, as more applications are made... | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
..opinions are split on the effects turbines will have... | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
..on the main industry here - tourism. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
The Lleyn Peninsula's relationship with tourism... | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
..has been quite odd over the years. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
We are dependant on tourism, although its impact sometimes... | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
..in places like Abersoch, isn't what you'd hope for. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
You have to face the fact that we're dependant on tourism. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:02 | |
Tourism is all important to us now. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
I'd say that tourism is the most important thing we have now. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:10 | |
We discovered that during foot and mouth. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
A number of companies folded. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
I'm in favour of renewable energy because it's good for the world. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
If Iolo Williams wants to protect the Snowdon lily... | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
..from climate change and its effect on Snowdon... | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
..the way to do that is to create carbon-free energy. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
Over the next few months, the debate on wind turbines... | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
..their cost and effect on the landscape will intensify... | 0:22:36 | 0:22:40 | |
..in this beautiful part of Wales. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
There will be further applications and further opposition. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
According to those in favour, they can secure a future... | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
..for communities in a Welsh stronghold. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
But according to opponents, they could threaten those communities. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:58 | |
At the end of the day, I see this as a test case. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
If it's passed in a place as beautiful as this... | 0:23:14 | 0:23:19 | |
..and so prominent in Lleyn's landscape... | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
..even though we are in Eifionydd, just a stone's throw away... | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
..it's all over for the Lleyn Peninsula. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
There's plenty of work to be done with the money. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
Everyone will benefit. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
I predict that the Antur and Llanaelhaearn... | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
..will be a village that will be treasured. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
It will be something people will realize is the way forward. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:51 | |
We've been pillaged right from the start. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:59 | |
We've been pillaged for our lead... | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
..for our gold, for our iron, for our steel... | 0:24:02 | 0:24:06 | |
..for our coal, for our water. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:08 | |
The last thing left is the beautiful scenery. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:13 | |
As chairman of the Environment and Sustainability Committee... | 0:24:19 | 0:24:23 | |
..it's my duty to support, in principle, renewable energy... | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
..in order to protect the area and create a livelihood for people. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:31 | |
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