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Hello and good morning. The week began with resignations at Scotland

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Yard, high drama in parliament and a Prime Minister rushing back from

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Africa to face his critics. But the who did what to whom and when of

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the phone hacking crisis has been put firmly into perspective by the

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bloody events on an island off the coast of Norway. I am standing in

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for Andrew this morning when we will ask why a young Norwegian man

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felt the need to murder more than 90 of his fellow countrymen.

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According to his lawyer, he thought it was "gruesome but necessary". As

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well as going live to the island of Utoeya to hear the latest news of

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the police operation, to find out whether the gunman was working

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alone and how he had been planning the attack, we will be speaking to

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the British foreign secretary about what the government is doing in

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response to the tragedy. We will also be speaking to Sir Hugh Orde,

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the President of the Association of Chief Police officers. With

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continuing uncertainty about whether the latest bail-out for

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Greece will get the euro-zone out of the woods, the business

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secretary Vince Cable is here to tell us what it means for our own

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economy. We last came about whether the strength of Rupert Murdoch's

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empire is waning. We will talk to some distinguished

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athletes ahead of the London Olympics, young and old. Review the

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papers we have the former Home Secretary Jacqui Smith, the chief

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of Time magazine, Catherine Meyer, and Rory Bremner. But first, the

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news. The man accused of carrying out

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Friday's mass shooting in Norway has admitted responsibility. The

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lawyer representing 32 year-old Anders Behring Breivik says he is

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describing his own actions as atrocious but necessary. 85 people

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died when he opened fire in Utoeya, north-west of Oslo. After the

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violence, the investigation into Anders Behring Breivik is widening.

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It is centred on two areas, firstly this remote farm he was renting

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where it is believed he built the bomb detonated in Oslo on Friday,

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tearing through government buildings and killing at least

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seven people. We are going through the whole farm for technical

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evidence, looking for everything that could be connected to the late

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incident. Police have found several tons of fertiliser at the farm,

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which is a component in home-made bombs and explosives. After the

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bomb went off, he drove to the island of Utoeya and murdered at

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least 35 people. Locals were shocked that their seemingly

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harmless neighbour could be harbouring such murderous plans so

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nearby. It is very creepy because we have a child here, and he was

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building bombs over there. We could have been hurt so it is not good.

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The killer's lawyer says he has admitted responsibility for the

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killings and will explain himself in court on Monday. TRANSLATION: He

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has said he believes the actions were atrocious, but in his head

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they were necessary. Away from the farm, the investigation is also

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considering his writings and internet postings, particularly her

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1500 page manifesto, a rambling internet document which Anders

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Behring Breivik is believed to have been working on for several years.

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As Norway struggles to come to terms with the tragedy, was this

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the work of just one deeply disturbed individual or are there

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others in Norway with the same hate-filled ideology and access to

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weapons? Let's speak to our correspondent

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who is near the island of Utoeya. You have been finding out more

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about this manifesto which Anders Behring Breivik posted on the

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internet? Yes, good morning. The papers here in Norway today are

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dominated by one image, and this is it. A young man looking down the

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sights of a very high-powered weapon. With it are the details of

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this 15 page manifesto. There are tips about how to build bombs, he

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speaks about when he went out to buy fertiliser. He also charts down

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the days towards what he is alleged to have done two days ago, but

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crucially you get an idea of what he is thinking. There are a lot of

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remarks about Marxism but also immigration and his view that

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Europe has become dominated by it is mummification and his target are

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the political classes who made it possible. -- Islamisation. Briefly,

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what now in terms of the rescue operation itself? Whilst I have

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been speaking to you, several boats have been here, and they are still

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looking for about five people missing. But the rescue operation

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is still very much going on today. Tributes has been paid to the

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singer Amy Winehouse who was found dead in her London home yesterday.

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Police have described her death as one explained. The 27 year-old

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singer had struggled with drug and alcohol addiction in recent years.

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The President of the Football Federation has said he will appeal

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against a lifetime ban from the sport. The first found him guilty

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of trying to buy votes in his bid to become President of the

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organisation. That is it from me for now, back to you James.

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On Today's front pages, obviously they are dominated by events in

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Norway. The Sunday Times says about the witness Testament from people

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who watched it going on and were hiding. The Sunday Telegraph has a

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picture of the alleged killer, and pictures of the victims holding up

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their hands at the moment he was stalking them. The Independent on

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Sunday has a different take, they have gone for a slightly more

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subtle photograph of the bodies lying on the beach covered up. The

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other main story of this league is the death of Amy Winehouse, and the

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Sunday Mirror giving it more prominence than events in Norway.

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Now, we have Jacqui Smith, Catherine Meyer and Rory Bremner.

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Welcome to you. Obviously Norway is dominating here. Catherine, have

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the papers covered it for you? are trying to make sense of

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something senseless, so you have people focusing in on small parts

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of the picture. The Observer has this opinion piece really from a

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Norwegian newspaper editor who talks about the end of innocence in

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Norway, who sees this as something that could be profoundly changing

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to Norwegian society, but in his description of Norway's innocence,

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what you find yourself thinking, and it is something that Telegraph

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deals with about the rise of the far right and the home of the Nobel

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Peace Prize, is that a lot of this is about the failure of society to

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focus on where the threat might come from. That there had been

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perhaps too much attention paid to the threat from Islamic terrorism

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and too little to the pervasive... The thing about this suspect is it

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seemed that he may have been a lone operator in one sense but he was

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nevertheless very clearly with links to far right groups and

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influenced by this. Do you get that sense, too, that somehow the focus

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has been on Islamist terrorism? the Independent that is one of the

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criticisms made by a former Norwegian minister who is now a

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crime novelist. It is always easy with hindsight to recognise where

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the gaps in security operations were. It has been the case in the

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UK that there have been some success for a rest of people who

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appeared to have far-right sympathies, and who looked as if

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they were planning attacks, but it is also the case that the vast

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majority of the threat, the analysis suggests, is that it comes

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from the terrorist threat. There is also the debate about the way

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intelligence sharing can be used, and we will want put our expertise

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to put that to the Norwegians to help. In the Sun yesterday, it

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described Anders Behring Breivik as the Al-Qaeda convert. This 6 ft

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blonde, blue-eyed, Al-Qaeda convert, until the truth came out. In the

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Express, you don't find anything about Norway. He had to turn to

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page 6 before you find anything about it, apart from the front page

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which carries this very strong image of St George, which curiously

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it is the image that appears again and again on Anders Behring

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Breivik's website. I would like to pick up on the point about whether

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knitters an Islamic terrorist people talk about links to Al-Qaeda,

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with right-wing people write it off and say it is one lone mad man.

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They are very rarely on their own, they have links to the English

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Defence League and so on. And the idea, that has -- pervasiveness of

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the ideas, the way politicians link with voters, there are all sorts

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of... Sorry, go ahead. I do not think it is an excuse for right-

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wing terrorism. What is interesting about the previous governments and

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this government's prevent Strand, the how do we challenge violent

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extremism, if it does recognise there are similarities between

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right-wing extreme violent extremism and Islamist, and the

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answer to that is to base our approach in core values that we

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will expect from everybody. Isn't the bottom line that unless this is

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a network, you can't anticipate these things? It is difficult to

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get into that. If it turns out to be a lone individual, you can't

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prevent that. In the States obviously you had Timothy McVeigh

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much more recently, you had the shooter of Gabriel deferred. At

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that point, you could find out he had a social media presence, that

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there were signs of there. I don't know with Anders Behring Breivik,

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it seems here reopened his Facebook and Twitter accounts recently, but

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there are things you can look for. There are some other practical

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things we have learnt as well in the UK. Anders Behring Breivik

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bought six tons of fertiliser in order to make his car bomb. I

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suspect it would be difficult in the UK to buy that much fertiliser

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without it being flagged up. Let's move on to other issues. Rory, the

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American economy. From Amy Winehouse to the White House. The

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extent of America's debt, they have this important decision about

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raising the debt ceiling from 14 trillion dollars. That beats Andrew

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Marr's salary as commission mark a decision has to be taken and the

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extent to which the Republicans are conducting this brinkmanship and

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refusing to allow this debt ceiling to be raised, and again we are

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talking about the influence of right-wing parties. There is the

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Tea Party in America, which is pushing the Republicans on this

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agenda say they will not tolerate another dollar of tax expenditure

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to try and deal with the crisis they have, they want to see it on

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with spending cuts. The gap is so small, the Republicans themselves

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so they want to see 85% spending cuts, and 15% of tax measures. They

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are at 83% to 17% now but they are still holding the ground on the

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Republicans and also willing to let their country go down. You can't

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Some of this is about getting to grips with the Government.

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Obviously, phone hacking is still in the papers this morning. There

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is a lot in the papers. It has been driven off the front pages but in

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the Observer, we have victims of the 77 bombing in London worried

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that the police gave their details to News of the World reporters. I

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have found the whole issue about the police the most disturbing. You

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have a police force in Scotland Yard that has worldwide renown.

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They have been approached to help with Norway and yet, here they are,

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presumably a small number but nevertheless a small number of

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people possibly passing information. They are the people you should

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trust. I went to the Home Affairs Committee the other day. It was an

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extraordinary set of testimony about how, with News International

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and the police, the police seem to have blurred and become one

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organisation at certain points. did they first here about Amy

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Winehouse, by the way? I was worried that the first reports came

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through the Sunday Mirror. Now, they may have come by that

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legitimately. It may also not just be the police. Michael Hutchins

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told a mutual friend, never use your name when you're calling an

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ambulance because the paparazzi will get there first. There is the

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suggestion that was his experience, the emergency services had links to

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the tabloids this up questions for the emergency services. Questions

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for the Murdochs. This has reduced in priority after Norway but a good

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article in the Observer talking about the culture of intimidation

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that News International. When Vince Cable was coming out as the

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strongest voice against the Murdoch empire he was quickly shoved off

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that partly by the Daily Telegraph stinger on him. Henry Porter in the

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Observer details a number of the intimidation and the warnings of

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but went on under Murdoch, specifically the Independent about

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the way they were covering his son, James Murdoch. This rumbles on but

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I think we have lifted the lid on a very dark part of the media. And a

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link with the BBC. This week there has been discussions about whether

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or not David Cameron's meetings with News International and BSkyB

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executives was appropriate or in appropriate. Suggestions in the

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Sunday Telegraph but it led to changes in policy, plans to use the

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BBC licence fee to promote a bit more diversity in the media and

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television was stamped on by James Murdoch. Very briefly, a

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humanitarian disaster going on in the Horn of Africa. There is some

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coverage getting in on that. Independent have actually not

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sidelined this issue. They have made it their central campaign

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today, give a day's pay for Africa and they have a very rich reporting

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from across the famine region. I was glad to see that. Obviously,

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Amy Winehouse, a big story for the papers. Yes, very good piece by

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Neil McCormick. Tony Bennett came out as saying he worked at the

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recently and said how much he admired her. They recorded recently.

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Neil McCormack says he was there in the studio when their record of

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this piece of music and how wonderful it was. He said it looked

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like she was feeling well, clearly sober, steady. The first time in a

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studio for one year. They sang a beautifully together. It was

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clearly a very exciting thing about to happen. But equally, Jacqui

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Smith, lots of questions about drugs and alcohol. I think this

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suggestion about the 27 Club, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, they were 27

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when they died. Actually, what they have in common is they could not

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get off drugs. It is a tragic waste which has come from this addiction

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and the inability to move away from it. Thank you all very much indeed.

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Now, one year from this Tuesday, the greatest show on earth gets

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under way. The 2012 Olympics. Most buildings are finished and the main

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stadium, where Barack Obama and more than 100 presidents and prime

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ministers and others will watch the opening ceremony, is ready for

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action right now. London last hosted the Games in 1948 and I

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recently had the privilege of meeting two British competitors

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from that time. Dorothy and John Parlett. Both were runners. John

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took part in the men's 800 metres, while Dorothy Manley, as she then

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was, won the silver medal in the women's 100 metre dash. Dorothy

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explained how she went from being a shorthand typist and talented club

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They drew up a list of possibles in 1947 and I found myself in the high

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jump. Because I was on this list I was put into the hand of Sandy

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Duncan, a very eminent athlete in his own right. And when he saw me

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running, he said one day, "Dorothy, I don't think you're going to make

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it on the high jump, but I can see potential in your running". That

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was in March. On the 2nd August, but very same year, I got the

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silver medal in the Olympic Games. They're so much hoopla and build up

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about this. The athletes train for many years. There's a huge media

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build up. Villagers are built for the athletes and you're talking

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about a very different event, aren't you? Well, it wasn't the be

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all and end all. Nowadays, you are aiming for gold and that is the one

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word you hear all the time. Personally, I didn't go into it

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thinking I was don't get a gold medal, not at all. I was just happy

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to have taken part and that's it. These were very much the post-war

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Olympics. A chance for countries to come together on the sporting field

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rather than the battlefield. A time of optimism but also of austerity.

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A lot of comment in some of the papers that the Olympics was a

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waste of money. We have other things we should be spending our

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money on. There was quite a lot of opposition from that point of view.

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There were only two years to do the preparation. They took place at a

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time when there was still rationing. What was your intake of food? What

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were you eating at the time? All I can remember is we were given extra

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rations of meat at the Olympics. I had a stake. I can remember my

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mother buying it for me. She and my father couldn't have it because it

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was fashioned. That's the only thing extra. -- it was rationed.

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The Easter before the Games, Billy Butlin invited the hopefuls to his

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holiday camp at Clacton with a couple first met. John cab to the

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weekend on his home a movie camera. If the chance for the athletes to

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socialise together although Dorothy admits she was never very good at

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being relaxed. Dorothy, let's talk about the day itself and take me

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through the final. The 100 metres final at the Olympics. How were you

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feeling beforehand? Terrible, terrified. I always said, if I

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could have run away, I would have done. I felt terrible. I was more

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nervous than I would have liked to have been. And when the gun went

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off, I got the best start I ever had in my life and I thought for a

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moment, we were going to be recalled. Of course, I shouldn't

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have been thinking about that. I shouldn't have been thinking that,

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I should be thinking I have got to get from here to there and that's

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it. And also, I had the lane at which was nearest to all the people,

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but I would have loved to have had one of the centre ones because then

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you can sense the people either side of you. Because I was very

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stupid, I won't like that at one point. It was a reflex action but

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my head turned. I presumed it to see where everybody else was. All

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these things obviously went against me a bit. Tell me, what was it like

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to race against fanny? I wouldn't have beaten her, in a month of

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Sundays but I thought I could have been nearer to her had not been for

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the silly things I did. Do you follow athletics today? No.

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not? It just isn't the sport that I enjoyed. And I don't like watching

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it and I don't like all the flag- waving. No. This nasty triumphalism.

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It has become the norm. None of us won't like this, did we? If you

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watch the films, you don't see that sort of thing. Will you be going to

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the Olympics next year? I don't know. We are supposed to be getting

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a ticket. If you are in the last Olympics, the last I heard, you

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would get a ticket but I made it clear that I would like to be there

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just for one occasion, the women's final of the 100 metres because I

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would like to see that because it's time another British could not the

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place. There's only two of us who have ever done it since 1960. No-

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one has then been placed in 100 metres women. But you will watch,

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won't you? Yes, I will watch some of it on television, yes. I'm only

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interested in football and cricket really. How about that? I am joined

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now by two women who can only aspire to such spirit. Dame Kelly

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Holmes, the double gold winning heroine of the 2004 Athens Olympics.

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And Tessa Jowell, the Shadow Olympics minister who sits on the

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Olympics Board. Tessa, before I talk to Dame Kelly, can't you do

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something about that? Surely a ticket for the women's 100 metres

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can be found for Dorothy Parlett? Of course, it must be possible.

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Dorothy must be they're taking a pride of place, and I'm sure there

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will be people listening at the organising committee at this very

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moment and I hope that they will be sorting out the tickets for Dorothy

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and John. Excellent. Thank you very much indeed. Dame Kelly, you heard

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what she was saying there. The world has changed. She didn't have

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any dietary help, she did little training. She only started training

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in the march of. The world has changed completely. Has it gone too

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far the other way, do you think? the professionalism in Sport and

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the Olympics has been heightened. Of course, the media exposure, the

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interest in sport and the way people become role models and

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heroes in that changed the outlook of what the sport is about.

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Representing the country, more countries are now taking part, of

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course. There is more finance put into sport so we have bigger

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showcases. Yes, it has changed, but we have to change with that

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unfortunately for the isn't there a risk of there is too much pressure

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put on the athletes, their expectations are too high? And they

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lose a little bit of the spirit of the fun of competing? Yes, you're

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absolutely right. 2012 is going to be the best Olympic Games ever. It

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will be extraordinary for our country. The expectations and

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pressures of the team and the British team especially is going to

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be so heightened because it is on home turf, and I think there's

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going to be a lot of young athletes that people don't know about. It

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will be there kind of, "I am at the Olympic Games and nobody would

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expect anything" And they will get some medals and then you get the

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established stars. We will see a lot of people falling and that's a

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balance of what the Olympic Games brings but you can't underestimate

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how fantastic it's going to be. it as a prediction. I'll be going

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to do better than last and? I think, in Beijing, we came 4th in the

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medal table, not where we want to come because now the pressure is on,

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but the funding has been a tremendous. Every sport has stepped

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up their game and I do absolutely believe we will have more success

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in a broader range of sport. I wouldn't want to predict how many

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medals that's going to be, but, you know, we have to do very well over

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every sport and I think that is given to be our success but the

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success is not just going to be what happens in the stadium, it's

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also going to be how we, as a nation, showcase the Olympic Games.

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We have got a really unique country, our culture, media, music and

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everything. If we can bring that together and let the fans of sport

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and the country enjoyed and no that we have the Olympic Games, that

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will be our success. Thank you very much indeed for telling us that.

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Tessa Jowell, we have had the optimistic outlook from Dame Kelly.

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Let's look first of all that ticketing. A lot of people right

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now thought they were going to get a ticket but didn't. What went

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wrong? What else is being done about it? Well, nothing went wrong,

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James. What happened was that their work 22,000 applications bought 6.5

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million tickets. So we are facing the amazing prospect of being the

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first a sell out Olympic Games. The only sport, as of now, for which

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tickets have been released and are available but has not sold out his

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football. Particularly the football and outside London. There will,

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however, be a bit over one million tickets released at the end of the

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year, the beginning and texture, and I know that everybody's aim is

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to make sure those people, to 0.2 million people applying for tickets,

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and have been disappointed, get tickets. The extent to which that

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is possible is obviously a matter of arithmetic. But the fact is,

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there is a will to address that disappointment. But let's not

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forget that the fact that many people have not got the tickets

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they wanted, is a function of the enormous enthusiasm that people

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How concerned are you that the Olympics will be a target for

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terrorism, and what is being done about it? I was interested to

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listen to the peace on Norway, and obviously Jacqui Smith's comments.

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She was Home Secretary when we were working on the early stages of the

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security plan. That has preceded, after the election, in a pretty

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seamless way. All I can say it is that the aspect of the present

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strategy to engage young people who might be at risk of radicalisation,

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but also the mobilisation of police forces around the country is in

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advanced state of organisation. We can take confidence I think from

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the fact the rest of the world looks to our security services at

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times like this for advice on how to do it. We are confident in the

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capability and vigilance is going to be absolutely vital, but

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everybody should be assured that the Security Planning is very well

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under way and it is in good hands. Even if the Metropolitan Police is

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in the state it is now, you retain that confidence? Yes, I think it is

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absolutely right that the successor to Stevenson needs to be appointed

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as quickly as possible. Obviously he has been the figurehead, but

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underneath his level the work goes on. It goes on not just in the Met,

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the leading police authority, but also with the Olympic security

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executive within the Home Office. Thank you.

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A bit of sunshine in the south today, let's hear what the

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today, let's hear what the prospects are across the UK now

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with the weather forecast. Today the weather will be behaving

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reasonably well, and for most that means it should be a dry day. It

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will feel warmer than yesterday but there are exceptions. South-west

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Wales and south-west England could be cloudy with spots of rain, and

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the far north-east of Scotland stays cloudy as well with outbreaks

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of rain continuing across the northern isles. In the sunshine, it

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will feel warmer with temperatures of 24 degrees in London. Through

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this evening and overnight it is a chilly night across parts of

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northern England and southern Scotland. Further west it will turn

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murky with fog patches developing across Wales and south-west England.

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Some rain forecast for Northern Ireland, that will work into the

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West of England in the afternoon with the best of the sunshine

:34:20.:34:25.

further east. Depending on how much sunshine we see, we could see the

:34:25.:34:35.
:34:35.:34:35.

temperatures climbing as high as 26 This morning we are learning more

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about the potential motives of the killer in Norway, and the full

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scale of the tragedy but what are the implications? William Hague,

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the foreign secretary, joins me now. You have been speaking to your

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counterpart in Norway, what has he been saying? By yes, I was in touch

:34:56.:35:06.
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with the Norwegian foreign secretary, as ambassador in Oslo

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has been in close touch with the Norwegian authorities and we have a

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British police officer based there in our embassy to co-ordinate

:35:15.:35:19.

assistance. In all those conversations we have expressed

:35:19.:35:23.

their deep condolences of the people of Britain to the people and

:35:23.:35:27.

the government of Norway, and we have offered any practical

:35:27.:35:32.

assistance that can be useful to them. Practical assistance in terms

:35:32.:35:37.

of police co-operation and also in terms of our experience in this

:35:37.:35:41.

country of coming to terms with tragedies of this kind. We will

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keep in close touch with them of course over the coming hours and

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days as more information develops. How do you do that? How do you

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share experience of incidents like Dunblane with the Norwegian

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authorities? As I say, we will be working on that over the coming

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days and weeks, if the Norwegians want to take us up on that kind of

:36:08.:36:12.

assistance, but we have local authorities, police forces,

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individuals with immense experience of what we have been through in

:36:18.:36:22.

this country. Norway does not have that experience, this is one of the

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reasons why it it is such a profound shock. It is the worst

:36:27.:36:31.

event in Norway since the end of the Second World War, so we can

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personally have that experience passed on. If necessary we will

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have people visit Norway and give the benefit of our advice and

:36:39.:36:44.

experience. As foreign secretary, you are formally responsible for

:36:44.:36:50.

MI6. What is taking place at the moment to try and make our own

:36:50.:36:53.

assessment of further threat there may be out there as a result of

:36:53.:36:58.

what has happened in Norway? can't ever go into details on

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intelligence matters, but I will say that the work I see first hand

:37:03.:37:09.

every day, and the Home Secretary seas, the work of our intelligence

:37:09.:37:15.

services, shows that a tremendous job is done day-by-day for our

:37:15.:37:19.

country and in co-operation with our allies in keeping this country

:37:19.:37:25.

as safe as possible from terrorism. We have many many successes in

:37:25.:37:29.

trying to keep this country safe from terrorism, and costs are

:37:29.:37:34.

allies include Norway. This on the face of it at the moment is not an

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event that has arisen from an international network or

:37:40.:37:45.

international conspiracy, but it is early days in looking into it.

:37:46.:37:51.

Across the countries of Europe and globally, we have extremely strong

:37:51.:37:56.

counter-terrorism co-operation. We are reinforcing that all the time,

:37:56.:37:59.

and Aaron contest was published a couple of weeks ago saying that we

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must be ready to face all forms of terrorism. The main terrorist

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threat remains Al-Qaeda or or people inspired by it Al-Qaeda, but

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that is not the only kind of extremist or terrorist threat.

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These events are a sad reminder of that. How do you respond to the

:38:21.:38:25.

charge that Western countries have focused too much on Islamist

:38:25.:38:32.

terrorism and not enough on the threat of right-wing terrorism?

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There are two answers to that. Firstly, we must not think because

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of this event that Al-Qaeda inspired terrorism is not a threat.

:38:41.:38:48.

It remains in all assessment the single biggest terrorist threat to

:38:48.:38:54.

the UK and to our European allies. That remains the case. The other

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answer to that is that in our counter-terrorism strategy, it is

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very clear that is not the only form of threat we may face. The

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National Security Council will meet tomorrow in London and we will look

:39:07.:39:11.

at the lessons to be learned from this. We will check that enough

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attention is being given to all forms of terrorism, and of course

:39:16.:39:22.

we put in place over the last few years for strong defence. We had

:39:22.:39:26.

tight firearms controls in Britain and very tight controls on the sale

:39:26.:39:31.

of material needed to manufacture a bomb, and we have the most highly

:39:31.:39:35.

professionally trained firearms officers in the world, and we have

:39:35.:39:40.

the police and intelligence agencies working well together in

:39:40.:39:46.

making sure, best as we can, the country is safe from a tax. Isn't

:39:46.:39:51.

there a bottom line that, however good the strategy is, you can't

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stop alone individual carrying out something like this unless he has

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some trace, unless he is part of a network you can break into?

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course it is much harder in the case of a lone individual or a

:40:07.:40:11.

couple of people, that is much harder than combating a terrorist

:40:11.:40:15.

network and that is why you have to have the other things, the firearms

:40:15.:40:20.

legislation, the control on material needed to manufacture a

:40:20.:40:27.

bomb, but even then you can't guarantee being able to prevent

:40:27.:40:34.

every attack or every kind of attack. That is why we have levels

:40:34.:40:38.

of warnings about terrorist attack which we published openly. That

:40:38.:40:43.

level in this country is currently rated as substantial, that there is

:40:43.:40:49.

a possibility of an attack and an attack without warning. It always

:40:49.:40:53.

requires vigilance from members of the public and it always requires

:40:53.:40:59.

us to think of a new situation or a new kind of threat. It is exactly

:40:59.:41:03.

to make sure we are preparing ourselves for that that we will be

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discussing it in the National Security Council tomorrow. Thank

:41:07.:41:12.

you. This week the Metropolitan Police

:41:12.:41:17.

Commissioner Sir Paul Stevenson resigned, as did his assistant

:41:17.:41:22.

commissioner John Yates. Both were casualties of the phone hacking

:41:22.:41:29.

crisis. So what now for the Met? I am joined now by Sir Hugh Orde, the

:41:29.:41:37.

President of the Association. -- the Association of Chief Police

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Officers. Firstly, let's speak about Norway. Can you talk to me

:41:43.:41:46.

about what kind of experience and support and help the British police

:41:46.:41:51.

can provide? It will be a substantial inquiry by the

:41:51.:41:55.

Norwegian police, who are a competent police service. We have

:41:55.:42:02.

already offered help, which is very reassuring. I spoke to the national

:42:02.:42:06.

co-ordinator only this morning, he assures me we have made those

:42:06.:42:16.
:42:16.:42:18.

offers, as has my organisation. We have many years of experience and

:42:18.:42:24.

will help if asked to do so. How do you deal with the lone gunman who

:42:24.:42:29.

has not got any present on the internet may be, not part of any

:42:29.:42:34.

network, and they go out and do something like this. Can you defend

:42:34.:42:39.

against something like that? You do your level best. First of all, we

:42:39.:42:44.

do not know if this was a lone gunman. To a substantial degree in

:42:44.:42:49.

this country, you plan for and prepare for those events which

:42:49.:42:55.

slipped through the intelligence net. In 1984 we looked like a

:42:55.:42:59.

liberal democracy compared to the structures you need to know about

:42:59.:43:04.

everything and everybody, but recently we ran a major exercise to

:43:04.:43:08.

make sure we were as well prepared as we can be to deal with that sort

:43:08.:43:13.

of threat in this country, and the Test stood up to its name. We

:43:13.:43:17.

delivered. Why did you do that test? Because you think there is a

:43:17.:43:21.

real prospect of it happening? Because you have to keep ahead of

:43:21.:43:27.

the game. We knew from Mumbai for example that we have to start

:43:27.:43:32.

thinking in different ways. Terrorism moves all the time. The

:43:32.:43:35.

experience from Northern Ireland comes in there, and a fertiliser

:43:35.:43:40.

bomb is likely, so things move on. The trick of policing is we look at

:43:40.:43:45.

these things, we learn from them, we engage with the government, and

:43:45.:43:53.

prepared to protect the citizens in this country as best we can. Let's

:43:53.:43:58.

move on to phone hacking. Appal investigation, incredibly close

:43:58.:44:02.

links to News International, two of the most senior police officers

:44:02.:44:07.

forced to resign, give me a sense of the crisis the Metropolitan

:44:07.:44:13.

Police is facing this morning. First of all, we have queued

:44:13.:44:18.

strength in depth. My sense is 140,000 police officers in this

:44:18.:44:23.

country are looking at this and they are clearly worried. They need

:44:23.:44:26.

new leadership to be put in, and the advertisement has already gone

:44:26.:44:31.

out, so there is a plan in place. We will continue to protect

:44:31.:44:37.

citizens. I am concerned about this suggestion that 140,000 police out

:44:37.:44:42.

there are taking payments, it is a bizarre suggestion, but we are not

:44:42.:44:46.

complacent about that. Her Majesty's respect is looking at

:44:46.:44:49.

that in a detailed way to form a clear view on just what the

:44:49.:44:54.

challenges are facing this police service. But there is some

:44:54.:44:58.

corruption. Some people will be potentially arrested for this. How

:44:59.:45:03.

does the Met restore confidence without having some kind of formal

:45:03.:45:11.

By continuing to deliver the service for people of London

:45:11.:45:15.

require. Confidence at precinct is at a far higher level than it was

:45:15.:45:19.

when I joined. Let's not lose our nerve here. We need to put in the

:45:19.:45:25.

right structure. Officers look for leadership, that's clear. The chief

:45:25.:45:30.

officer of this country, Sir Paul Stephenson said he was responsible,

:45:30.:45:38.

and therefore, he is handing in his notice. You think a couple of

:45:38.:45:42.

resignations will restore confidence? No, I think the public

:45:42.:45:47.

will judge us on how we deliver police services day-in and day-out.

:45:47.:45:53.

Crime is falling. Conference in policing continues. Let's not be

:45:53.:45:58.

complacent but let's not create a crisis which does not exist.

:45:58.:46:02.

policemen who have done wrong here, do we need to see them convicted

:46:02.:46:06.

and going to jail to convince people of your argument about the

:46:06.:46:12.

wider police force, there's no endemic corruption? I have zero

:46:12.:46:19.

tolerance of any officer who steps out of that. There is a zero-

:46:19.:46:24.

tolerance and this inquiry will look precisely at that. I think

:46:24.:46:28.

when we look at that inquiry... needs some prosecutions. Is it

:46:28.:46:32.

feasible we will see that? I think this inquiry will pursue that.

:46:32.:46:38.

Absolutely. Any corrupt officer that lets the side down, who does

:46:38.:46:42.

huge damage to policing, expect to be locked up and the key thrown

:46:42.:46:46.

away. This week we had an estimate how many police numbers are going

:46:46.:46:51.

to be cut, substantially across the place. The government says it's

:46:51.:46:55.

necessary. The police after do things more efficiently. We're

:46:55.:46:59.

doing our level best to be as efficient as we can be. A report

:46:59.:47:04.

was released this week saying, despite a 20% cuts, we have

:47:04.:47:07.

maintained frontline services by doing things in different ways. We

:47:07.:47:12.

do need to look more widely at policing through commission. We are

:47:12.:47:20.

Karen be delivering 21st century ruffs with a twentieth-century

:47:20.:47:26.

police force. Sir Hugh Orde, thank you very much for coming in this

:47:26.:47:31.

morning. So, a second bail-out for Greece has been agreed. The

:47:31.:47:34.

eurozone and the markets can breathe a sigh of relief. Or can

:47:34.:47:36.

they? As economists pore over the detail, questions remain over

:47:36.:47:39.

whether the deal agreed in Brussels is just a temporary sticking

:47:39.:47:45.

plaster or a sustainable answer to the euro's woes. Britain is not in

:47:45.:47:48.

the eurozone but its economy is utterly intertwined. So what does

:47:48.:47:51.

it mean for us? The business secretary, Vince Cable is here.

:47:51.:47:57.

Good morning. Answer but first question. As the deal which has

:47:57.:48:02.

been agreed this week, is at a sticking plaster for the short term

:48:02.:48:06.

or today sustainable solution? has unsolved the big problems but

:48:06.:48:10.

is a big step forward. Essentially, what they have agreed is that some

:48:10.:48:14.

of the great debt will be written off. The banks will absorb the cost

:48:14.:48:19.

of that. They have agreed to a bigger package of measures for

:48:19.:48:22.

future difficulties and take a Nicky step forward in the economic

:48:22.:48:31.

union. -- a huge step forward. The biggest threat to the world

:48:31.:48:35.

financial system comes from a few right-wing nutters been the

:48:35.:48:40.

American Congress rather than the eurozone. Temporary measures. More

:48:40.:48:45.

will have to be done but it's a step forward. Is it enough?

:48:45.:48:51.

issue of Greig debt, they grasp the principle of debt reduction. --

:48:51.:48:58.

Greek debt. They had just begun to take the first steps to accepting

:48:58.:49:04.

there will have to be much closer economic integration. Does it need

:49:04.:49:13.

more structural change? I think those people are irresponsible be

:49:13.:49:20.

become of those who are rubbing their hands with glee hoping that

:49:20.:49:23.

the eurozone will collapse for that it is in that Britain's interest,

:49:23.:49:27.

as the Chancellor pointed out this week, the eurozone succeeds, and

:49:27.:49:31.

they had taken a few key steps to make sure it does succeed. Of

:49:31.:49:36.

course, we are not likely to be part of it in the future, but it is

:49:36.:49:39.

very important for our economy in terms of trade and stability of our

:49:39.:49:45.

banks, it does succeed. We want them to succeed. In the UK we have

:49:45.:49:49.

the growth figures this week. You spend a lot of your time touring

:49:49.:49:53.

the country. How concerned are you about the state of the economy and

:49:53.:49:59.

growth? It isn't great and it's not surprising. That's because of the

:49:59.:50:04.

problems we inherited, the banking collapse, the recession, the

:50:04.:50:13.

unsustainable boom up. We had to put public financials in order.

:50:13.:50:20.

These are not easy problems. First of all, we are in a German block

:50:20.:50:22.

than a Greek position in the financial markets, which is very

:50:22.:50:30.

positive. We are beginning to see real evidence of rebalancing. I

:50:30.:50:34.

travel around the country a lot, the aerospace industry, the car

:50:34.:50:39.

industry, real private sector investment is taking place. The

:50:39.:50:44.

beginnings of a rebirth of manufacturing exports. The growth

:50:44.:50:49.

is and they yet, is it? There is a genuine problem with demand.

:50:49.:50:55.

Consumer demand. Again, it's not surprising. The world commodity

:50:55.:50:59.

prices have gone up. Its other big effect on consumer confidence here

:51:00.:51:04.

but the Bank of England has played a key role in keeping interest

:51:04.:51:09.

rates down. And, if necessary, using a money supply to deal with

:51:09.:51:16.

this problem if weak demand continues. You think more printing

:51:16.:51:21.

of money could be one of the solutions to tide us over this lack

:51:21.:51:27.

of growth? The Bank of England is independent. But if there is a

:51:27.:51:32.

sustained period of weakness in demand, the right approach to that

:51:32.:51:35.

is not for the government to relax its fiscal discipline, we have to

:51:35.:51:39.

keep that going, but the Bank of England must pursue policies of low

:51:39.:51:44.

interest rates which keeps the exchange rate down, but also using

:51:44.:51:51.

expansion of quantity easing in more imaginative ways, not just

:51:51.:51:54.

government security acquiring. do you mean by more imaginative

:51:55.:51:59.

ways? There are members of the Monetary Policy Committee which

:51:59.:52:06.

float in different ideas would hope to do wants to be easing. It is for

:52:06.:52:13.

them to form their own judgment -- -- different ideas to implement

:52:13.:52:22.

quantities of the easing. -- quantitative easing. We realise it

:52:23.:52:29.

is a difficult. There are weaknesses which we have inherited.

:52:29.:52:31.

We realise they are deep-rooted. The problem we have is not simply

:52:31.:52:36.

getting growth started again, but getting it started in a sustainable

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way. It has got to come through business investment, exports,

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manufacturing, and we're putting in place policies to make sure that

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happens. You still responsible for media ownership rules. This will be

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looked at other levels of inquiry. What would you like to see?

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depends what they come up with but I think we have learned from the

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past that having media moguls dominating British media is deeply

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unhelpful, not in terms just a plurality but the wider impact on

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the political world. What I would like to see is a set of very clear

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unambiguous rules about market shares, so we don't have dominant

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players. Limits? Yes, a presumption against cross ownership between the

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press and television. A some would say Rupert Murdoch brought

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plurality to this country by having television and newspapers and

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without him we would have had fewer newspapers boss of the Times and

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the Independent may not have been existing. He has made a positive

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contributions, in a balanced view. I don't want to detract with that.

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In the world, we have had some very dominant media companies and I

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think we need to draw lessons from that, not in a personal way. We

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need diversity, plurality and twice. It has got to come from wider

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ownership. Rupert Murdoch's dominance will never happen again?

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Well, it isn't simply Rupert Murdoch for the there are other big

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media companies to cut other the same influence in the future and we

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have got to stop that happening. You heard what Sir Hugh Orde said

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about his view of the Metropolitan Police at the moment. Are you

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satisfied with what is going on at the moment? You have been critical

:54:29.:54:34.

of the sleazy links between media and police, the corruption, a word

:54:34.:54:37.

which is now being used by the Prime Minister about what has gone

:54:37.:54:41.

on. I'm a very worried about it because, like most people, I have

:54:41.:54:45.

tremendous respect for the police, and the vast majority of the police

:54:45.:54:50.

are completely honest and feel anger about the way they have been

:54:50.:54:54.

let down by people higher up the system. There does need to be a

:54:54.:54:58.

proper independent investigation so that if there are bad apples, they

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do need to be removed from the barrel for a you famously told the

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Telegraph undercover reporter I have declared war on Mr Murdoch and

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I think we're going to win. Have you won? I don't see it like that,

:55:11.:55:18.

actually? I had responsibility for that problem and I made sure the

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bid was referred to an independent regulator. There was a lot of

:55:23.:55:27.

advice just to let it through. It would do the regulator and as a

:55:27.:55:30.

result, it was stopped and as a result, we are a much more held the

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position today. What are your thoughts about members of the Lib

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Dem been bullied by News International staff? Is there

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something you have experienced? There was heavy lobbying but

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perfectly legal. Nobody is suggesting anything illegal

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happened on that front but I don't want to dwell on the past I want to

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focus on reforming the system of competition. So then begin other

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more plural system in the future. Finally, do you believe News

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International is a fit and proper organisation to own its existing

:56:09.:56:14.

stock of BSkyB? But the big question to ask in view of what has

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happened but fortunately, it's not up to politicians to decide. The

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regulator Ofcom is now looking at whether they are fit and proper

:56:24.:56:27.

people to continue to have their share and ownership and they will

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come to a decision. Would you do that if they're at it Rupert

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Murdoch just pitched up his tent and left? I'm not personalising it.

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They have got to look at the question of fit and proper people

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and we will wait and see what happens. Excellent. Thank you very

:56:45.:56:51.

much for joining us. I think a defined a new phrase, "Heavy

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lobbying". Now over to Kate for the news headlines.

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James, thank you. William Hague has said Al-Qaeda poses the biggest of

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terror threat to the terror threat despite the shooting in Norway from

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a man with extreme right-wing links. He said Britain had a strong

:57:13.:57:19.

defence there is any similar actions by activists including

:57:19.:57:24.

extreme high laws and highly trained officers. In Oslo, a

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cathedral service are taking place today to commemorate those who were

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killed in Friday's attacks. The man accused, 32-year-old Anders Behring

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Breivik has told his lawyer that his actions were atrocious but

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necessary. He says he will explain himself in court tomorrow. That is

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all from me for now. The next news is that my day. First a look at

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what is coming up after the show. Today on Sunday morning live,

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should we have a right to know if our part as a violent past? A

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father says it would have saved his daughter. We will ask acyclic if

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she should be banned for charging for her services? Should we be

:58:05.:58:15.
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proud of our political leaders? Go to the website to join in. James.

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Right, we're out of time. Sophie Rayworth is here at the same time

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next Sunday, keeping the Marr flame burning bright while Andrew is

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filming on the other side of the world. And in all the tributes to

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Amy whitehouse that have emerged in the last few hours, I was struck by

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