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Good morning and welcome. A new season, a new vehicle, a new studio,

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we have made changes over the summer. What a summer it's been.

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Look up at the stars, not down at your feet said Professor Stephen

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Hawking, but how do we keep that spirit of optimism and human

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possibility going. It is a challenge for my guests this

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morning who come from the the worlds of education and sport. The

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papers are full of upbeat coverage of the Paralympics and here to

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review them, Tim Hollingsworth, head of the British British

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Paralympic Association and Sarah Baxter, editor of the Sunday Times

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magazine. As politicians return to Westminster, it is back to earth

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with a bump. The economy has come to a shuddering halt, among many

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critics of the government, the Tory peer Lord MacLaurin says the whole

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thing is Mori bund. You get to some momentum into industry. You have to

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change something, growth will not just happen. That is aimed at the

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chancellor George Osborne. There's been more of the same over the past

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week. How does he respond. Tax cuts? Spending on infrastructure?

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This morning we are going to be asking him just what he intends to

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do now about Britain's grim economic plight.

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No doubt the shadow business secretary secretary will have

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plenty of advice. Is there any new thinking from Labour. Also this

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morning, schools are back and thousands of them are going to be

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told they must do better as a new inspection regime for England comes

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into force. The head of Ofsted and Chief Inspector for schools is here

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to explain. I will be asking about the row over GCSE results. Parades

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end has been winning plaudits for showing costume drama doesn't have

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to be cosy. I will be joined by the screen writer behind this, Sir Tom

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Stoppard. Finally, be uplifted by the wonderful violinist Nicola

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Benedetti. One of the stars of this Proms

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season, she will be performing for us later in the show.

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A busy first show back. Let's kick off with the news.

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Good morning. The Prime Minister has indicated he will try to

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reassert his political authority with a series of measures to get

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the economy moving again. Writing in the Mail on Sunday, David

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Cameron made clear he was ready to take on his critics with

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controversial plans to boost growth. Mr Cameron has been challenged by

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some Conservative MPs to prove he isn't what he call a political

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mouse. He's also working on his first major cabinet reshuffle.

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There's been a gold rush for the British Paralympics team at London

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2012. Crowds cheered Ellie Simmonds to gold. Richard Whitehead came

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from behind to a stunning victory in the 200m. Golds in the dressage

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and cycling also. The poster girl of the pool

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fulfilling a Paralympic dream. After double successes as a 13-

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year-old four years ago, she delivered gold in done done and --

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London and with it a record to delight the home crowd. The race

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was billed as a battle between Simmonds and Victoria ar Len, and

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didn't disappoint. Stroke by stroke Ellie Simmonds wrote her name in

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history. There could be more to smile about.

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An historic day for Queen of the velodrome, with one gold already in

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the Games, Sarah Storey was aiming for the ninth of her career, after

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watching her husband win gold with Neil Fachie in the tandem, another

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performance saw her roar home to victory victory.

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To a golden day in Greenwich where Natasha Baker was victorious in the

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individual grade 2 dressage. She set a new Paralympic record. For

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Lee Pearson it was silver. But perhaps the most startling sight of

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the day was that of Richard Whitehead. He holds the world

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record for the marathon but denied the chance to compete over the

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longest distance, he took to sprinting. How his endurance would

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show. In last place coming out of the bend, he stormed through on the

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home strait a show of strength to rival anything already seen in the

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Olympics stadium. A Superman on a truly superSaturday for Great

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Britain. Police have begun an investigation

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after the bodies of a man and two children were found at a flat in

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Wiltshire. Officers had been called to the scene in Tidworth by

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paramedics. The deaths are being treated as sprition but police say

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they are not looking for anyone else. Jordan says it needs more

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money to cope with the influx of refugees from Syria. The request

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comes as fighting continues to rage across Syria, increasing the number

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of fleeing civilians. One of the most celebrated

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lyricists in popular music Hal David has died in Los Angeles at

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the aining of -- age of 91. What Do You Get When You Fall In

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Love. Ha he was well-known for his long

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standing musical partnership with Burt Bacharach.

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That is all from me for now. I will be back with the headlines just

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before 10.00. To the front pages as usual. Lots

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Politics is making its return as well.

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The Sunday Times has a different take. Party threat to oust Clegg.

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And Ellie Simmonds is on more front pages than any other face we will

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see this morning. There is a very nice picture on the front of the

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Observer. More politics as well. Tony Blair

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should face trial over the Iraq war, says Desmond Tutu.

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Mail on Sunday, again, Ellie Simmonds, but another political

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story, Cameron roars back "I'm no Scotland on Sunday, different story

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there about breast cancer treatment on the National Health Service in

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spont land and also campaigning for every school child in Scotland to

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be taught a classical instrument. We have Nicola Benedetti on talking

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about that. She is Scottish and a great violinist. That is all good

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and organised. Tim and share Tim Sarah, thank you for joining us.

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You must be thrilled by the extent and tone of the Paralympic coverage

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this morning?. I am, the job this morning was to pick the paper to

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The The one I want for was the Telegraph. There's more coverage of

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the Paralympics than there was of the Olympics. I think what there is

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is the most astonishing growth of coverage. I am very proud of it. We

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can talk about how the nation is reacting, but we had fantastic

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performances yesterday. My one in the Telegraph was this pure gold of

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Ellie. I was in the Aquatics Centre shouting my head off yesterday for

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what was an incredible race. She was just one, we saw Richard

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Whitehead on the news, Sarah Storey, Barney Storey.

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Why has the coverage and interest in the Paralympics suddenly taken

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off in this way. I don't remember this being the case in the same way

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at Beijing. Three reasons actually. One we have an organising commitee

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for London 2012, which right from the get go has seen Paralympics as

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part of the story. They have done in all their work, as we have tried

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to, to build the pro fail with the media. The fact we had such a

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fantastic Olympics has to be part of the mix. It was a great wave we

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were riding. This is a genuinely sport loving nation and we have got

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it and it's at home. We have been falling in love with people every

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day. A new star is created every five minutes. That is very exciting.

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The opening ceremony made a big splash. Bits of it I didn't quite

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understand at the beginning, because it was quite scientific.

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was. Enlightenment was the theme and it shone through. Being in the

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stadium which was a huge privilege, perhaps you didn't get everything

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people at home were getting. I think we did the event enormous

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achievement by that opening ceremony, to bring to life the

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issues we are seeing in front of us with the sport. It is really the

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people that are coming through. Ellie, she seemed like a 13-year-

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old girl city when she talks, but in the pool what a tiger.

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Let's talk about some other stories. What is your first story. I was

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going to briefly mention another side to things, because there is an

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astonishing extract from Victoria Pendleton's memoir today. What it

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took for her to become a Gold Medalist. We shouldn't lose sight

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of that, for our ordinary Murphy- O'Connor for ordinary Olympians.

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She had a difficult relationship with her dad. She was questioning

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whether he he loved her. On the night she won gold in Beijing she

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cut herself. It was extraordinary, lifting of the curtain really on

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sometimes what goes on, but all power to her and to all our

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wonderful stars. This is sports stars coming into the realm of real

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superstars. It also means that all the under side of sport is there

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for the Paralympics too, accusations of cheating. You have a

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story about the French. I found it somewhere. It wasn't too high-

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profile. The Mail on Sunday has got a piece, we can't afford to compete

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with you. The French have accused us of what they call techno

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cheating, which is the equipment that is needed for the athletes and

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they are talking about wheelchair racers and the chairs they are

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using in the Games. They had a go at our Olympic colleagues during

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the cycling, saying their wheels were too round. I would say one

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thing on this, the technology in Paralympic sport is the essential

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part of it. But David Weir who seems to be our wheel care racer

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racing tonight, who wouldn't have made the final without his chair,

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but he won two golds in Beijing without the chair. Let's return to

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politics. It's pretty clear politics is back at full throttle.

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The big beasts of the jungle are back. But the big question is are

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they really mice. The Independent going for the mice look. Here is

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David Cameron going for the big beast effect, saying he is no mouse.

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He's written an article to prove it, but he says it is time to stop

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dithering. It sounds a bit wingy this article, but he is saying it

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is our fault, he is saying there is so much holding us back. What we

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are really saying is come on David, get on with it and show us some

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government. I have noticed, everyone knows there is a

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government reshuffle coming. But the more you look at all the

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stories about it, the clearer it is, nobody has the faintest clue about

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who is going to be moved. wonder if David Cameron has a clue.

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People do want to see some change. I don't know whether it will be

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tinker about the edges. They are in a bit of a bind because the Lib

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Dems have their own problems. The Conservatives, David Davies is out

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in force today saying cut taxes, do something more dramatic. You can't

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have a cut on wealth. The Americans have a real contest going on and

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there is good coverage of the American elections too. We are only

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just start to go notice how interesting it is. People have been

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feeling disappointed with Obama and Romney has become known as the 50

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shades of grey man without the sex! But it is an important election, an

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important divide between the two, and important for the rest of us.

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Janet daily is interesting on that in the Sunday Telegraph today

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because the question is whether the free market and capitalism can pay

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for all the social benefits we expect. We have been getting along

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well having both. She has been asking a question which connects

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the American choice with what is happening here, can we pay for it

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all. Yes, ever since the crash of 2008, that's becoming the big

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question. I don't think we are ready to give up welfare and we

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don't want to give up the free market either. Who is going to

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resolve this. It is a big question. You have chosen a story about

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another fallen American hero, Lance Armstrong. It was partly to pay

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tribute to the Sunday Times. Still want to be careful in terms of what

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one says, but without question the story that's highlighted here and

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the headline on the front page. cyclist accused of cheating using

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drugs who has dropped his fight to clear his name. Yes. The reason for

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picking this out is that I know your paper Sarah had six or seven

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years ago was taken to court by him and sued by him. For the story that

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is coming out. When he was part of his team, seven times Tour de

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France winner. The wider point is that this was a cultural thing

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within the sport of cycling which we are seeing across the tour and

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the Olympics and Paralympics, sweeping the nation. It is a craze

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in sporting terms. You can see from what is going on in the tour, the

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times are slower, the journeys up the hill are slower. You get the

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sense the sport is changing. David Walsh needs credit for the work he

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did. Let's get down and dirty with The People, finally, my wild night

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with naked Harry. Not my wild night! Let's be clear about this.

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am not even sure if it was her wild night. It is a very fuzzy picture

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of a lady who claims to have spent the night with our young Prince.

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it was a real kiss and tell there would have been more detail, it

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would have been a bigger story. wouldn't have seen these smudged

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posing for the People's camera. This story comes with a health

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warning but it is quite fun. Something for all tastes, thank you

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both very much indeed. It's been the wettest summer in a century. I

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had some excellent refreshing rain therapy in the Westcountry but if

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there was any justice we would be in for an Indian summer. So, are

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we? Let's hear from the weather Things are set to improve,

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brightening up from the north. The cloud is extensive across the

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southern half of the UK. There has been rain across Wales. But most of

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that will tend to fade by the afternoon. The best of the sunshine

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is to be found further north. Should be lovely across Scotland.

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The winds are lighter than yesterday.

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Always more cloud across the southern counties but the rain has

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fizzled out. We will see bright spells coming through. A a

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reasonable afternoon. In the south-west there is the

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chance of a spot of rain. Most places will be fine and dry

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with bright spells. Similar story in the south of Wales. The odd spot

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of rain around. A lovely afternoon in Northern

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Ireland. A a different day for Northern Ireland and Scotland

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tomorrow, because wind and rain will be gathering for later in the

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day. For England and Wales, a lovely day.

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Early mist and fog clearing to Before politics and this programme

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took a summer break things were looking good for Labour. Yet their

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policies were just a little vague. Nothing much has changed. As the

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conference season approaches the party's economic policy is becoming

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under renewed scrutiny and reports of tensions suggest a new autumn

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drama to amuse the political classes. I am joined by Chuka

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Umunna, shadow business secretary. You are bibs secretary, you are in

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government, what is the first thing you do? We would give an immediate

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stimulus to our economy. Remember, we are in our third quarter of

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negative growth now. The reality of these big national figures, I have

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over ten people people chasing every job, and so we would give an

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immediate boost to the economy. What does that mean? In London at

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the moment micro businesses do not get a national insurance break when

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they take on extra workers. We would give them a national

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insurance break to encourage them to take on extra workers. We would

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reduce VAT, reversing the hike the government implemented towards the

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beginning of this parliament, which would get money money back into our

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economy and also the big thing which is going to figure in the

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discussion this week, bringing forward infrastructure investment.

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Because that has a dual benefit. Not Not only does it provide a

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boost to the economy but also provides a platform for future

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growth. One of the problems we have is that at the moment major

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infrastructure investment projects are falling back backwards. If you

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hear they are going to bring forward infrastructure structures,

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you will say we will vote for that, we applaud what the government is

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doing. That will be very welcome. There's been delay and indecision

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all along the way. What you can't do presumably is a great big old-

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fashioned boost for the economy. Look at the borrowing figures and

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no government has much wriggle room. You can cut VAT but you will have

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to find a way for baying for that. You can't spend more money?

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point is, unless we get people into work, over 275 million people out

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of -- 2.5 million people out of work. You can't nonetheless push

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borrowing up even beyond where it is at the moment. Despite the

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rhetoric, this government hasn't cut much when it comes to current

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expenditure. Unless you get people back into work, you can't reduce

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the borrowing. One of the interesting things is, some

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business organisations have not seen eye to eye with what we have

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been saying around deficit reduction, but one interesting and

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quite quite interesting moment this week, head of the British Chambers

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of Commerce said there was wriggle room to do a stimulus. They want to

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tear up a lot of the regulations to make it difficult to hire and fire

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people, fewer controls, fewer regulations. Many of them want a

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cut in the minimum wage. All things labour will never give them.

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thing he said, is that in the same way if you don't sort out your debt

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problems and deficit, that will spook the bum market. You have got

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to get growth back again. In terms of actual measures, the key thing

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and this is something that came out from the Institute of Directors

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poll of their members a couple of weeks ago, yes, I am not saying

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that for businesses regulation is not an issue, but the problem at

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the moment is confidence and their worry about the economy. The other

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really big issue is that if we want to unlock the private sector

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investment that many people talk about, there's a lot of talk about

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companies sitting on a lot of cash, you have got to provide them with

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policy certainty. What we are going to see announcements later this

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week around planning. This is a classical example of where the

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government creates huge policy uncertainty. You must applaud a

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relaxation in planning laws, if that is what we see, because that

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is the kind of structural boost you have been talking about. But what

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you want is certainty in your policy-making. I am not saying

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don't do something about planning but I am saying make your mind up

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and stake to it. The problem was they published a whole new national

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planning policy framework, back in March, which local authorities have

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been working to ensure they comply with by April and now we are going

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to see them throwing all the chips up in the air again. That makes it

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impossible to plan when you want to make investment decisions. Let me

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ask you about some domestic issues Labour Party wise. You sit in the

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cabinet shadow meetings. Does Ed Balls Does -- it has been reported

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through the naips there is tension between Ed Balls and edmill land.

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It's not true. I won't deny all of us have checked our black bris

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during meetings. I have the second principal brief during Shadow

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Cabinet. There are large parts of the policy review, looking at plans

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for a British investment bank, which report to the three of us,

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two Eds and myself. The picture I have seen paint indeed these

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frivolous pieces is... No bad blood, no tension, no difficulty, the big

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beast Ed Balls flexing his muscles and think about the top spot?

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We are singly focused on the moment on winning back the support of the

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British people. We went to a catastrophic defeat and we have to

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approach that task with humility and we do and we have to be focused

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on what concerns people and what we learnt towards our end of our time

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in government when we turned in on ourselves, it didn't work. Thank

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you very much for joining us this morning.

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Sir Michael willshire appointed to be Chief Inspector of schools, has

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been described as a hero by the Education Secretary. They share a

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vision of schools characterised by strong discipline and rigorous

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academic standards and thousands are going to be told to pull their

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socks up. The satisfactory grading is being abolished. What will this

:25:54.:25:58.

mean for school heads, teachers and students. Sir Michael is with me

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now. Good morning. Some people would say that just

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changing a piece of terminology and saying satisfactory isn't

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satisfactory, it has to be good is window dressing. It is not window

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dressing. It is not just changing the terminology. At the heart of

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what we are trying to do is ensure all children have the chance of a

:26:20.:26:23.

good education. They have one chance at it. What happens in

:26:23.:26:27.

school determines what happens for the rest of their life. Parents

:26:27.:26:30.

want to send their children to a good school. Children want to go to

:26:30.:26:36.

a good school. Two-thirds of our schools are good or better. We have

:26:36.:26:40.

got a third of schools, 6,000 schools that are not good, that are

:26:40.:26:46.

satisfactory and below. Your argument is that schools that are

:26:46.:26:50.

called satisfactory aren't satisfactory at all, they are not

:26:50.:26:52.

good enough. They are not good enough, the teach something not

:26:52.:26:57.

good enough, the leadership often isn't good enough and the progress

:26:57.:27:00.

and outcomes of children aren't good enough. We have to make sure

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that schools know they have got to get to good s soon as possible. We

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have given them a prescribed period of time in which to get to good.

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You are going to change the way inspections happen, they are going

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to be more sudden? Yes. The day before, there will be a day before

:27:16.:27:21.

notice, rather than the two day- knots now because we want to see

:27:21.:27:24.

schools as they normally are. We want to reduce the tension that

:27:24.:27:29.

builds up before inspectors walk in. You want to catch people out?

:27:29.:27:34.

it is not about catching people out. This is about actually seeing

:27:34.:27:41.

schools as they are. I suppose the fundamental question is how you

:27:41.:27:44.

measure what a good school really is, because you have all the

:27:44.:27:48.

statistics, you have the exam results, some of them are

:27:48.:27:52.

controversial and measurements of different kinds but presumably you

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would agree it is about the inspirational teachers who draw

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people out and make kids think about things they have never

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thought about before. Inspectors will be spending more time in

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lessons now than ever before. We won't be looking at as much

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paperwork as we used to. It is about being in the heart of the

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school, looking at what really matters, which is what is happening

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in the classroom. A good school is about good teaching. It is simply

:28:24.:28:29.

about good teaching. The Big Issue is that head headteachers have to

:28:29.:28:33.

see themselves as leading teaching. They are not head administrators or

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organisers or head business managers, they are headteachers.

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They have to be remarkable people. There are not good headteachers,

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the question is how do you get more of these people. They don't grow on

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trees. I am optimistic we are. I have seen, I have been in teaching

:28:49.:28:54.

a very long time, better people coming into teaching now than ever

:28:54.:28:58.

before. The status has risen. We are getting really talented people

:28:58.:29:03.

coming in. They will emerge into leadership positions. They will

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become - they will go into headteacher positions as a younger

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age. The person who took over my job in Hockney is a person in their

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30s. We have a growing number of strong powerful leaders who are

:29:19.:29:23.

taking over groups of schools who can help and support less

:29:23.:29:26.

experienced colleagues. How do you get rid of the people you want to

:29:26.:29:30.

get rid of. You are talk being getting rid of people too?. It is

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about good performance management in schools and up to now it has not

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been robust enough. That is something we will look at more

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carefully in the new round of inspections. It is making sure

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headteachers identify and reward good teachers and do something

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about the teachers who are not good enough. The GCSE row, there is a

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good argument that GCSEs need fob looked at, but a large co hort of

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kids who have taken these examines have been treated unjustly. The

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exam was being marked as a level they didn't realise. Many have lost

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their only chance of a good College Place. We inspect a lot of things

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but don't inspect the inspection system. You need to talk to Ofqual.

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But what I will say, this is a really good opportunity for our

:30:31.:30:35.

system and the Secretary of State to look at our examination system

:30:35.:30:38.

and ask whether it is rigorous enough, whether what's happened

:30:38.:30:44.

over the last few years in terms of resits, early entries and modular

:30:44.:30:48.

approach to to examination is actually raising standards. Because

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the issue is not really summer against January and what happened

:30:52.:30:56.

last year as opposed to this. It is whether our examination system

:30:56.:30:59.

stands up with the best in the world. One of the worries I have

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and I know other people have, is that our standards are falling in

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relation to other countries in the rest of the world. As a former

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headteacher would you like to see GCSEs thoroughly overhauled.

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Absolutely. We should not be looking at how we have done in the

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past, we should be looking at how we are doing around the world.

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We are getting worse. Reading and English is the world language, it

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is the business language, we know that we have fallen from seventh in

:31:26.:31:32.

reading tho 25th in the world. In maths from 7th to 28th. That is not

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good enough. We have to look at what is happening in the rest of

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the world. Our youngsters when they leave school, will be going into a

:31:39.:31:43.

global marketplace, they have to compete not just against

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competitors here but the rest of the world. Ofqual are right in

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tanging tough on this? Yes. returning to what appears to be an

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injustice done to a particular group of people, you have no

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thoughts about what might happen. It is an issue for Ofqual, I would

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rather wait for the final report to come out. Thank you very much.

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He is one of Britain's, indeed Europe's greatest living writers W

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a catalogue of famous plays spanning five decades, Rozencrantz

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and Guildenstern Are Dead, Arcadia, these are the ones constantly in

:32:21.:32:25.

production around the world. Sir Tom Stoppard is no less eminent a

:32:25.:32:28.

screen writer. Shakespeare in Love was one of the aclaimed scripts to

:32:28.:32:35.

emerge from his pen. He now has two dramas to talk about, the film

:32:35.:32:43.

version of Anna Karenina, and Parade's End. It is the duty of the

:32:43.:32:52.

employers to look after the welfare of their employers. Who thinks

:32:52.:33:01.

that? You married above your intellect. The new liberal peers

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won't be necessary. Sir Tom welcome. I will have to confess, I am one of

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a large number of people never read the novels on which you have based

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this. There are some devastating script lines in there, I am

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wondering how many of those are Stoppard. Sometimes actually I have

:33:29.:33:32.

difficulty in remembering which ones came out of the book and which

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ones from my head. I did identify with that world very strongly in

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the year I was writing it. The best line in episode one involves the

:33:42.:33:45.

steam coming off the water at the crocodile house in the in the zoo

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as a met for as the sexual vapour coming off the crowd, that is Ford.

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It is an unusual, certainly a very unusual protagonist for an evening

:33:58.:34:03.

historical drama on television because you have a man who is too

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honourable to act on his sexual and emotional impulses. He is a very

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buttoned up, very English character of perhaps a kind we don't see so

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much of these days. I don't know you saw that much of him in those

:34:18.:34:23.

days either. What you say of him is true. Of course he does go as we

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say in the business on a journey. He ends up actually in the end, he

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is really saying that when you live by a code of honour, people take

:34:36.:34:40.

you to be a fool and he says I am coming round to their opinion.

:34:40.:34:50.
:34:50.:34:56.

is in many ways, particularly the way it looks, a anti-down tonne -

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anti-Downton Abbey. Did you see that period needs reviving and we

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need to think about it again? never really consider Parade's End

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out of its own context. The proposal was to make a television

:35:13.:35:23.
:35:23.:35:25.

drama from this book. I have always been attracted to the period. This

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is a period which is reasonant with what's to come and what it's

:35:32.:35:38.

emerged from. It is a key period. The book is a key book in that

:35:38.:35:45.

cauldron where modernism in literature was emerging. So I had a

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strong pre-disposition. Ford Maddocks Ford, a good show on him

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last night, he was the centre of this. He was mates with Joseph

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Conrad and almost anybody who was anybody in writing at that period?

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Ford had two critical moments, was the editor of a literary magazine

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and had a good touch of knowing what was coming, should be coming,

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DH Laurence. Anna Karenina, it is hard to think of a larger canvass

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to be asked to put on to an ordinary length cinema film. It's

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got a huge swathes of the Russian countryside, different love affairs,

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complicated family arrangements. How do you set about turning that

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into a film? The first thing you do is tell each other we are going to

:36:41.:36:45.

leave out everything about local government and agriculture. There

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is a lot about that. There is a lot about that. The character of Levin

:36:50.:36:58.

-- the story is two love stories, Tolstoy used Levin as something as

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a spokesperson for himself, not a phrase he would have used, but it

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is really a book which is famously a romantic drama, it is about love,

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the penalties to be paid for certain kinds of love or narrowing

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of the possibilities of love. have Keira Knightley as the adult

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certificate adult -- adulter ess. She is younger than many people

:37:28.:37:35.

conceive of Anna as being, but I think the director went young, he

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wanted to go young. It is about to hit the cinema screens, a very big

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moment. Any dramatic, any of your own plays beginning to gestate at

:37:46.:37:56.
:37:56.:37:59.

the moment? Gestating I would say is fair. Thank you very much indeed.

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From all sides George Osbourne is being told he needs to plan for

:38:03.:38:08.

growth, since the Government came to office the economy has in effect

:38:08.:38:11.

flat-lined. For the past nine months it's been shrinking. This is

:38:11.:38:16.

its second bout of recession. Public spending is soaring. Any

:38:16.:38:20.

serious government it says would now reaffirm its determination to

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get the economy under the control. George Osbourne joins me now. These

:38:24.:38:28.

are grim times? They are difficult times for the British economy.

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Difficult times for the world economy but our economy is healing.

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Jobs are being created. It is taking time. But there is no easy

:38:36.:38:40.

route to a magical recovery. We have got to do the hard work of

:38:40.:38:47.

paiing off our debts, booking a more competitive -- becoming a more

:38:47.:38:49.

competitive country and make can sure Britain has its place in the

:38:49.:38:53.

world. Borrowing is rising. You haven't been able to cut

:38:53.:38:58.

expenditure in a substantial ways. Three-quarters of negative growth.

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Zero percent is what we are told this way. It isn't working. I would

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disagree with all of that. It is statistically unexceptional.

:39:08.:39:12.

deficit is down by 25% since the Government came into office.

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much have you been able to cut current spending by. We have cut

:39:18.:39:23.

welfare spending by �18 billion but debt interest, because of the debts

:39:23.:39:26.

we inherited is making up a larger proportion of currency. You are

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falling back. I want to make sure we are not paying so much in debt

:39:30.:39:33.

interest to the creditors around the world. We are getting on top of

:39:33.:39:37.

the deaf sit. Private sector are being created. If you are telling

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me there are a lot of economic challenges out there, I know that.

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If you look around the world, every western government is basically

:39:43.:39:48.

facing the same choice, which is do you sink for swim in the economy of

:39:48.:39:52.

the future. I am absolutely clear, as you saw with the Olympic Games,

:39:52.:40:00.

Britain can compete and succeed, Britain can be its best if we

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confront the difficult times, that we are not been prepared to

:40:03.:40:07.

confront. People like the British Chambers of Commerce, representing

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100,000 of the businesses we all depend fon for prosperity, say you

:40:11.:40:14.

have to do a lot more faster. would agree with that. We have to

:40:14.:40:20.

do more and we have to do it faster. In the next weeks you will see us

:40:20.:40:23.

introducing into parliament legislation to speed up planning

:40:23.:40:31.

decisions, speed up the processes which means we can build roads more

:40:31.:40:34.

quickly, guarantee infrastructure projects. We will have legislation

:40:34.:40:38.

published next week so government can use the low interest rates we

:40:38.:40:41.

have earned by being tough on the deficit to underwrite construction

:40:42.:40:46.

probably jects. We are doing all these things to use the good name

:40:46.:40:49.

the government has built up internationally, the low interest

:40:49.:40:54.

rates we've got to fund our banks. To get the economy moving to make

:40:54.:40:59.

sure the jobs we are create nothing this economy continue to be created.

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Let's pick through some of those. Changes to the planning laws. Will

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that involve making easier to build on the green belt? First of all we

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already have in place important changes to the planning laws which

:41:10.:41:13.

are bringing about important development around our country. I

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was in the north-east of England this week and saw that for myself.

:41:17.:41:23.

We can speed up planning. It is It is absolutely ludicrous that it

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takes years to get planning decisions in this country. You can

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get much faster decisions on the Continent of Europe. This country

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in the in the current economic environment cannot afford to wait

:41:36.:41:40.

years for development. When it comes to the green belt, we have

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published our national planning fame work in March. We are not

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proposing to tear that up. If you look ats around Cambridge, one of

:41:49.:41:53.

our great success stories as a city, they have been smart about swapping

:41:53.:41:58.

some bits of the green belt for other bits, allowing developments

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om some parts of the green belt. Those powers exist. I would like to

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see more of that. It doesn't sound like a big bang?. We are making

:42:11.:42:14.

substantial changes to planning that make it easier to have

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sustainable development. At the moment it is not working. We are

:42:17.:42:22.

not getting the growth we are looking for?. I would say jobs are

:42:22.:42:25.

being created, 9,000 jobs in the private sector. But Britain's

:42:25.:42:30.

economic problems are deep-rooted, built up over many years. We have a

:42:30.:42:35.

very unbalanced economy. It is healing but there is not some easy

:42:35.:42:39.

road. Believe you me, if there was a quick fix or an easy road, I

:42:39.:42:43.

would be the first on it. There isn't. It is a hard road to

:42:43.:42:48.

recovery but there is no alternative easy road. What about

:42:48.:42:52.

your critics on the Conservative right, who say you need to cut back

:42:53.:42:56.

taxes, slash regulation, you need to make it easier for people to

:42:56.:43:00.

hire and fire as well as build. want to make it easier to build. I

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want to make it easier to hire people, do all those things.

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you? I look forward to the support of Conservative MPs in in doing

:43:09.:43:12.

those things. And the support of the Liberal Democrats. We are a

:43:12.:43:16.

coalition. One of the thing the country has is political political

:43:16.:43:19.

stability a strong government with a big majority in government that

:43:19.:43:24.

is able to do these things because we have a coalition. Quef a

:43:24.:43:34.
:43:34.:43:37.

government, whether it is a strong government people would ask. There

:43:37.:43:40.

is a more left wing version which is spend a lot more money and you

:43:40.:43:45.

can't do that, and therefore it is a little bit of that and a bit of

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that and you can't make the bid radical changes you would like to.

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Even though we are a coalition government, the first in a

:43:53.:43:57.

generation, we have actually taken very big radical decision toss

:43:57.:44:02.

reform education and welfare, cut business tax, make this a more

:44:02.:44:05.

attractive country for wealth creators. We are doing difficult

:44:05.:44:08.

things on top of dealing with the deficit. Of course, I read all

:44:09.:44:12.

these people coming out with different proposals of what we

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should do, quite often they are mutually contradictory. I would say

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get behind the government, on the labour side and even in the

:44:21.:44:24.

coalition, I would say get behind the government in making it easier

:44:24.:44:28.

to develop things, get things built, to support infrastructure

:44:28.:44:32.

development. That is deregulation. That is all about speeding up the

:44:32.:44:37.

creation of jobs in our country. Let me ask but a specific specific

:44:37.:44:42.

thing in the papers, which is either a third runway at Heathrow,

:44:42.:44:48.

or if not that, speedy plans to build a new major airport for the

:44:48.:44:53.

south east. Where do you stant on this? We need more airport capacity

:44:53.:44:57.

in the south-east of England. We need more runway capacity. Then

:44:57.:45:02.

there is a question of where it should go, Heathrow, new airport,

:45:02.:45:08.

Stansted, Gatwick, people have lots of options. Let's examine all the

:45:08.:45:13.

options, do it now, let's make sure we can try and create a political

:45:13.:45:19.

consensus. Can we not have a commission for another few years.

:45:19.:45:24.

There is opposition across communities to particular airport

:45:24.:45:27.

developments, I represent a constituency with Manchester

:45:28.:45:31.

airport in it, I understand about the local pressures, but you have

:45:31.:45:36.

to as a nation be able to overcome those and make a sensible decision

:45:36.:45:40.

about where it should be. We are going to get no kind of decision

:45:40.:45:43.

before the election?. What we are going to get is a decision that we

:45:43.:45:47.

need new runway capacity and seek to achieve a political agreement

:45:47.:45:51.

across the political parties on where that should be. What about

:45:51.:45:55.

new roads and railways, are you going to speed those up? I would

:45:55.:46:00.

like to see the speeding up of the delivery of those things. You are

:46:00.:46:05.

prepared to open the coffers to get infrastructure spending now?.

:46:05.:46:08.

prepared to underwrite big infrastructure projects, that is

:46:08.:46:13.

something no chancellor has done before me. In the past,

:46:13.:46:15.

infrastructure spending has been cut? Infrastructure spending

:46:15.:46:19.

compared to the plans we inherited from the Labour Party is higher.

:46:19.:46:24.

But what I would say is, I am as frustrated as anyone that it takes

:46:24.:46:28.

so long to get a road built, so long to do the rail improvements.

:46:28.:46:33.

We have tried to make that easier. You will see in the next couple of

:46:33.:46:37.

weeks legislation to speed up the process of development. Of course

:46:37.:46:44.

to allow for legitimate objection, but it can be heard and

:46:44.:46:47.

acknowledged and adjudicated on in less than a couple of years. We

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don't need to take so long. What I think we have found... Are you

:46:51.:46:57.

going to speed up planning? building a new runway was simple it

:46:57.:47:04.

would have been done over the last 20 years. You have to find ways of

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doing this more quickly and you are going to radically simplify the

:47:09.:47:13.

planning system? We have to up the tempo of development and activity

:47:13.:47:18.

in this country. All of us as a nation have to come to terms with

:47:18.:47:21.

the fact, not only have we had a difficult five years as an economy,

:47:21.:47:25.

but this country faces a big question about its future in the

:47:25.:47:29.

world and whether it is about our school system, our welfare system

:47:29.:47:32.

or about the the infrastructure we have, have we got the appetite as a

:47:32.:47:36.

country to make the changes necessary to provide the nobs, not

:47:36.:47:46.

just today -- job, not just today, but for our grandchildren. I talk

:47:46.:47:49.

to people with smaller companies, they still say they can't get the

:47:49.:47:52.

money from banks. They are quite attracted to the notion of some

:47:52.:47:56.

kind of government-backed bank to get more money into business more

:47:56.:48:00.

quickly. The weakness in our banking sis tempt is one of the --

:48:00.:48:04.

system is one of the biggest problems we have got. We have

:48:04.:48:09.

announced a funding for lending scheme, to help reduce the cost of

:48:09.:48:13.

lending so businesses can borrow more. We do need to consider now

:48:13.:48:18.

and work on as we are in the Treasury, a small business bank

:48:18.:48:24.

sponsored by the government that can bring together all the alphabet

:48:24.:48:28.

soup of existing schemes and also have existing powers. It is true

:48:28.:48:33.

small businesses are the innocent victims of the credit crunch.

:48:33.:48:37.

Listening to you it sounds like there is a new sense of energy, we

:48:37.:48:42.

must do that and this, we have had a silly argument some people might

:48:42.:48:48.

say about plan A, plan A plus and all the rest of it. Is it the case,

:48:48.:48:53.

looking at the dep of the 69 -- depth of the trouble, that you have

:48:53.:48:57.

a renewed since you have to do more and more quickly. This government

:48:57.:49:01.

means business. We have come back this autumn from the Olympics and

:49:01.:49:04.

Paralympics absolutely determined to confront the problems the

:49:04.:49:08.

British economy has, to overcome the objections to growth that exist

:49:08.:49:13.

in our country. We have got that energy. You have come back from the

:49:13.:49:17.

summer to go faster and further?. We are determined to do more,

:49:17.:49:21.

whether it is in terms of economic development or reforming education

:49:21.:49:25.

or welfare to make sure this country can earn its way not just

:49:25.:49:29.

today but in the future. Western countries are going to sink or swim

:49:29.:49:33.

over the next few decades and I am absolutely determined Britain is

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one of the great success stories of the future. The reason that you are

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talking this way presumably is that what has happened so far isn't

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working. We can argue about the reasons for it, but you look at the

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statistics and they could not be clearer. You could have any Finance

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Minister of any western country in the world, we are all confronting

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similar problems of weak banking systems, big borrowing in the good

:50:02.:50:05.

years. This government has a confidence around the world by

:50:06.:50:09.

confronting those problems. Of course, I would like the recovery

:50:09.:50:15.

to be stronger. But we are overcoming enormous deep-seated

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problems in our own economy. We have a difficult international

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backdrop against which to be doing it. I would say people look at the

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UK over the last few months and they say not only have they a

:50:26.:50:29.

strong government commanding the confidence of the debt market. They

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are saying we can put on things like the Olympic Games, we can can

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deliver when they have the effort and energy. I think we have

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demonstrated this summer that we are a competent and strong nation.

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Let's carry that spirit through the autumn. People may not apply it

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directly to the government. A lot of your own critics say if there is

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one person who ought to be 110% focused on the economy, it is you

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and therefore it is wrong that you are also having the strategic role

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as an election planner and adviser on the Conservative cause and you

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should put that to one side and simply concentrate on the day job.

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It is nonsense, I am 110% focused on the economy. The government's

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political strategy is tightly burned out with its economic

:51:24.:51:28.

strategy as well. A lot stems from people not really prepared to

:51:28.:51:31.

accept that the Prime Minister and chancellor work incredibly closely

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and spend a lot of time talking to each other about these problems. I

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know that is unusual given our recent history in Britain. I know

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it is unusual. You were asking Chuka Umunna about Ed Balls and

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edMiliband. But in this government, we spend a huge amount of time at

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the top of government working together on some of the biggest

:51:53.:51:58.

problems that country has faced. the coming reshuffle you will carry

:51:58.:52:04.

on doing two two jobs. You need to get David Cameron into your new set

:52:04.:52:08.

if you want to talk about the reshuffle. The top team is

:52:08.:52:14.

absolutely focused on the economic recovery. It won't change? You can

:52:14.:52:17.

ask David Cameron about the reshuffle. I am clear the economy

:52:17.:52:21.

team in the government which starts with the first lord of the Treasury

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is totally focused on getting the economy moving. Vince Cable to stay

:52:26.:52:30.

doing his job as business secretary, working closely with you? I work

:52:30.:52:36.

very closely with Vince Cable. This country did not elect a majority

:52:36.:52:41.

government. In exceptionally difficult political circumstances,

:52:41.:52:44.

Vince Cable, Nick Clegg myself, David Cameron and others have put

:52:44.:52:49.

together a stable government that is there for the five years and of

:52:49.:52:53.

course we are all focused on the economy recovery. You mention Nick

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Clegg here. When you hear him saying this is a time for the rich

:52:57.:53:01.

people in the country to pay quite a bit more in tax to help everybody

:53:01.:53:07.

out, do you just snort and say this is pre-conference manoeuvring it

:53:07.:53:13.

means nothing? Of course, they have been calling for wealth taxes for

:53:13.:53:20.

100 years, it is not surprising. We have asked the rich to pay more. I

:53:20.:53:24.

have increased taxes on the rich, but we have also got to be careful

:53:24.:53:30.

going forward we do not drive away wealth creators from this country.

:53:30.:53:35.

And we are in a fiercely competitive world. I thought it was

:53:35.:53:39.

reassuring last week, one of the world's biggest companies moved

:53:39.:53:42.

back to Britain, having moved away from Britain a few years ago.

:53:42.:53:47.

are terribly unpopular as chancellor. You don't seem to

:53:47.:53:51.

radiate self-doubt but do you ever ask yourself am I the right person

:53:51.:53:55.

for this job or do you feel completely confident that you are

:53:55.:54:00.

across this? Personally I am focused on this and I feel a very

:54:00.:54:03.

heavily responsibility to get this job right, to do what I can and

:54:03.:54:07.

make sure the government does what it can to get the economy going. If

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I was trying to win a popularity stakes there are easier things I

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could do. In a difficult economic environment it is not surprising

:54:19.:54:22.

the Chancellor is not the most popular member of the government.

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It would be somewhat surprising if he was. Thank you very much.

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Now the news headlines. The Chancellor has told this

:54:34.:54:38.

programme the economy is healing. But there is no easy route to

:54:38.:54:42.

recovery. Mr Osbourne said there would be new legislation to speed

:54:42.:54:48.

up the planning process, this could include building on the green belt

:54:48.:54:54.

if it is swapped for other land. That is all from me for now. The

:54:54.:55:00.

next news on BBC One is at midday. Now a look at what is coming up

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after the programme. Today on Sunday morning live

:55:04.:55:07.

squatting in England and Wales became a criminal act yesterday but

:55:07.:55:12.

with many empty houses and homelessness rising, is squatting

:55:12.:55:17.

actually immoral? And the Government is giving Ghana over �80

:55:17.:55:20.

million in foreign aid but is it time to prioritise the vulnerable

:55:20.:55:27.

here? The violinist Nicola Benedetti has

:55:27.:55:34.

been one of the of the stars of the Proms season. It's been a busy year

:55:34.:55:44.
:55:44.:55:45.

for her. She has performed at the Titanic centenary contest in

:55:45.:55:54.

Belfast. And she's just released a new album, the silver violin.

:55:54.:55:59.

Welcome. You have had to work very hard to

:55:59.:56:04.

achieve everything you have done. There is a big drive in your native

:56:04.:56:09.

Scotland to get kids learning classical instruments. Do you think

:56:09.:56:13.

there is a simple get out there, hard work, practise message that

:56:13.:56:18.

people need to relearn perhaps in this country? Absolutely. It is a

:56:18.:56:22.

privilege for me to be able to really give that message at a time

:56:22.:56:27.

when so many people are. In Scotland it is an incredible time.

:56:27.:56:30.

There are a lot of key inspirational people who are

:56:30.:56:35.

serious about culture and music and young people working hard. You have

:56:35.:56:45.

done rock concerts, the Proms. Do you have a venue you prefer?

:56:45.:56:49.

best acoustics are where you feel most comfortable but I am

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determined classical music can fit into lots of setings. You have Last

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Night of the Proms. Tell us a bit about what you are going to be

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playing for us now. This is film music from Schindler's List? Yes,

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the theme tune to Schindler's List. A piece that I recorded on my CD. A

:57:11.:57:19.

very emotive piece. Most popular down load I think. It went to one

:57:19.:57:24.

in the pop charts, but it is great for classical music. Thank you very

:57:24.:57:28.

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