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don't get too worried because in rates will be higher than they are

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now, rates will be higher than they are

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You are watching Breakfast. The

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people dead and injuring residence before shooting three

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connection with shooting at the Jewish

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the European and lush directions. -- national elections.

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the European and lush directions. Let's talk

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tremors from the local elections have started to subside, this is

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Shipper Sunday. We will be talking to the main parties as they emerge

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blinking from the rubble. Joining me, two-bedroom seismologists, the

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LBC broadcaster Iain Dale and the actress Sheila Hancock. Nigel Farage

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propose to say that the UKIP foxes in the Westminster Ham --henhouse,

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grinning from one ear to the other with blood and feathers all over his

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face. European votes are still to be counted so who knows what will

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happen later denied when results start coming? The challenge to the

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main parties is how to learn lessons that rampant rise of the UKIP. The

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Conservatives have long sensed the electoral threat. Theresa May will

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be here to assess what has happened. Quite a competition to

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wait forever, as she took on the police Federation in a very daring

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speech which has led to more talk for her as leader, but she has also

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been talking about immigration, which hasn't fallen anywhere near as

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far as the Prime Minister promised and helped drive angry voters to

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UKIP. It has been a disastrous time in the local elections for the Lib

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Dems, and they are bracing themselves for trouble in the

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European elections as well. Tim Barron joins us later. They are

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looking to each Nick Clegg. Labour want to be poised for victory at the

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next General Election, but it doesn't seem that way. Harriet

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Harman joins me today, one question being asked by many supporters after

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a lacklustre campaign is does Labour have an Ed Miliband problem? And we

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will have one of the foremost stars of his generation later on. James

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McAvoy has been sounding off to Sophie about superheroes, politicos

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and his misgivings about 3-D movies. It bumps the DVD price up and I

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think it is a con, a lot of the time. All of that and more in a

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while. First, over two the news. It has emerged overnight that the

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student gunmen who killed six students in California began his

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killing spree by stabbing to death three housemates at his university

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residence. British-born Elliott Roger, the son of a Hollywood film

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director, had posted online video and a 141 page document detailing

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his feelings of isolation and desire to commit mass murder, before

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embarking on his rampage yesterday morning. Security has been stepped

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up at Jewish chides across Belgium after a gunman killed three people

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at Jewish Museum in Brussels. And fourth victim remains in critical

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condition. The authorities fear that the gun attack was anti-Semitic. Two

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Israeli tourists are among the dead. A arrested yesterday has been

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released after questioning and is being treated as a witness.

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Nick Clegg is under increasing pressure from members of his own

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party to stand down as the leader of the Liberal Democrats. Two members

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of the party said the public had lost trust in Mister Clegg. The

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Independent on Sunday say a number of unnamed MPs are poised to demand

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his resignation. A party spokesman said the Lib Dem's message should

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not be distorted by needless infighting.

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The Bank of England interest rate will settle at an average 23-5% in

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the next three years, according to the outgoing deputy governor.

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Charlie Bean said there was a case for starting to put rates up early,

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so the overall increase can be achieved gradually.

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The majority of EU countries go to the polls today to select their

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representatives in the European Parliament. People in the UK and

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Ireland, along with five other countries, cast their votes earlier

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this week. By this evening, a clear picture should have emerged as to

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how Europe voted although final results are not expected until

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tomorrow. That is all from me, I will be back

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with the headlines just before 10am. Many thanks. As usual, the front

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pages of the Sunday Times, an interesting story, Tories pressing

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for an early EU poll in 2016, not 2017. The Sunday Telegraph has the

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Prince Charles against Putin story, Putin saying it is not fit for a

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future monarch. A story here to make everyone at the BBC feel happy,

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Jeremy Clarkson with a new ?12 million BBC deal. We are all very

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pleased about that. We had sex in Katie's stable, I don't know who it

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is and I don't care. And the Observer, triumphant UKIP draws a

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paid list of 20 key seeds to storm the Commons. --seeds. Ian Bell and

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Sheila Hancock, so thank you for coming in early on a Sunday

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morning. You will start with the UKIP story? We will quickly look at

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the Mail on Sunday, about this man in California who has slaughtered so

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many young girls and also one man. This is yet another gun story from

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America, this time it is a British-born student. He has clearly

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got mental health issues, I suppose anybody who does this sort of thing

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has, and it is all to do with the fact that he's sexually frustrated.

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It is very petulant his message, I am 22, I am still a virgin, it is

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not fair. I suspect there are several around the world but none of

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them would look at doing something like this. We are horrified by it

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but I suspect that this does happen in other countries, but it does

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happen in America quite a lot and it will no doubt get the gun

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controversy going again. What comes out of it also is his hatred of

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women, which is really sad, but I don't want to discuss it, because

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those things are just so upsetting and so confusing. It is an example

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of a horrible story which teaches us nothing new. Absolutely, because it

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happens again and again and you think there must be some solution,

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but there isn't. In terms of a horrible story which we have to

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learn from, you have chosen the Great Wall. -- the Great War. As

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Quaker and a pacifist, I am worried about this year of celebration and

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commemoration of war. I am not sure it is celebration. Well,

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commemoration, and it can turn into nostalgic praise of war. This is a

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marvellous supplement by the Sunday people, with some of the most

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graphic trench pictures I have ever seen about the First World War.

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There is a man having his tooth taken out in the trenches, the

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horses scrambling up the trench walls. There is a man showing the

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only bit they have gained, 20,000 of them died for it. It is wonderful

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and I hope people will look at it. It is and I think you do have to

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commemorate events like this. Somebody said, if you don't learn

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the lessons of history, you are condemned to repeat them. I think it

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was Churchill. I think so far, we haven't stepped into a macabre

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celebration. A lot of people know nothing about the First World War in

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this country and I think it is something we need to learn from. If

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they know nothing about it, I urge them to look at this, because this

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gives them a very graphic idea of what war is like. I mentioned the

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Putin story in the Sunday Telegraph. Putin is hitting back. It has taken

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the Russians quite a long time to hit back, they seemed remarkably

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relaxed initially but the comment is, "he is an educated man, this is

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not royal behaviour, not what Mondex do". In a sense, he has a point,

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monarchs don't usually speak out on this. I think Prince Charles had

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every right to, it is a private conversation, if you can ever have

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one if you are Prince Charles. Surrounded by journalists. Yes, from

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the Daily Mail. But he did have a point, they have annexed Crimea and

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Hitler annexed the Sudetenland. He will have to stop doing it he picked

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-- becomes king, he will have to meet Putin. There is a good article

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here that talks about the monarchy and Charles and the fact that he is

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a man of opinions. He will not be like the Queen and I think we have

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to think about the monarchy very seriously, because it has to adapt

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to him. The comment at the end, it says, "as a monarchist, I would

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rather have a king in waiting who lived a little dangerously and I

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would rather have a republic than a king who thought it was his duty to

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be a silent dummy. " I think we have to think seriously about that,

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whether we approve or not. We do have to be careful, because many

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Russians died in the Second World War fighting against Hitler, let us

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not forget that. We do forget that, 20 million of millions. You have

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turned to the Sun. I wouldn't normally, but the headline is

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basically the Tory message for the next election campaign. How UKIP

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will put Ed Miliband into power. It is cunning of Lord Ashcroft to do

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this, lulling Labour into a false sense of security. Because they are

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ahead in many of security. Because they are ahead in many other battle

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grounds. They are, but that same poll that Steyn had a Conservative

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majority of 70, so if Labour are getting a bit confident after this,

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they shouldn't. -- last time. In the rest of the country, the results

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were patchy and there is a lot of evidence that UKIP are taking Labour

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votes, particularly in the North of England. Nobody knows how that will

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pan out in the election. Last week, Nick Clegg said to me the real story

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will be UKIP taking Labour votes, which there is a certain amount of

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truth too. There is. Everybody just thinks they take the Tory votes, but

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Nigel Farage will save a lot of votes come from people who have not

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voted for donkeys' years. He is right. Nobody can predict the next

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election result, no one knows what will happen to the UKIP abode. It

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may disintegrate over the next year, I don't think it will, but we have a

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fair idea of what will happen to Liberal Democrat votes. In London,

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it went to Labour. They were virtually wiped out. Nigel Farage

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has been a hugely successful leader and front man, but he is there by

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himself. When will we see other UKIP figures? We have seen that in this

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local election campaign. Suzanne Evans has come out of nowhere. I

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think she is probably a future leader for UKIP. She actually lost

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her seat in London. Their Deputy Leader, very good economics

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spokesman, it will take time for people to get into the media

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spotlight, but I think the BBC now ought to actually include UKIP on

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their panels. David Dimbleby had liberal Democrat, Labour and

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Conservative, no UKIP spokesman. We have been here so often before, all

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of this "the Lib Dems are going to destroy everybody because they have

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one local election". I think like Prince Charles, we have to rethink

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politics. I think the lesson we should learn from Nigel Farage...

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The thing I like about him, and I don't like much, is that he admits

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his mistakes. How often do you hear them say, " I am sorry, I was wrong

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about that, I take that back. " I am so sick of people, you will probably

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get it with ease to when they talk, I hope not, but this party line,

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they have been trained to speak to the cameras properly, they have been

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trained. Nigel Farage doesn't care. But sadly, he and Boris Johnson are

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the people that are doing at that, and the public are taking to them

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for that reason. I hate to advise you on interviewing technique, but

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if Theresa May or Harriet Harman say to you, we must listen to the

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message the voters have given to us, that is what they said a year ago.

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Well, what is this message? They say the same thing year after year. I am

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sure they weren't! They probably won't now they have heard you pry

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me. Let's move on to your old wood. It is a photograph story, I don't

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know Yarlswood, but I know other detention centres. We have talked

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about immigration hell of a lot, but let's talk about how we have been

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treated asylum seekers. A lot of nasty things going on barbed wire

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fences -- how we have been treating. I don't think the public would like

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it. There is a wonderful picture. Photographs can tell a story, this

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is a story of asylum seekers going onto a boat that very obviously is

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going to sink. It is a ramshackle thing. And I think we should just

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occasionally think of the human stories behind the mass immigration

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figures are what these people are getting away from and how proud we

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should be, in a way, that they think we are better than that. Good point.

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Chuka Umunna I think is your next story. The reason I picked this, it

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is of voters' crushing verdict, Labour can win if they dump Ed

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Miliband. If they replace him with "city slicker foes could Chuka

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Umunna. They have some evidence that he has emerged as a surprise new

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favourite Ed Miliband. On my radio show in the last hour, somebody rang

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in extolling his virtues, saying he is the man to win the election

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Labour. It was entirely spontaneous, and then entirely spontaneously,

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five or six others rang in and say the same thing. It wasn't organised,

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it was spontaneous and it did make me think, is he reaching parts of

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the electorate that Ed Miliband is failing to? He has talked about as

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the British Barack Obama, and he is someone to be reckoned with. I don't

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think Labour will dump Ed Miliband. It is like the next story with Nick

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Clegg in the Independent on Sunday. If the Liberal Democrats get rid of

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Nick Clegg, they have gone mad. He has brought them into Government for

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the first time. John Pugh is quoted as saying, "it doesn't follow that

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because the captain should go down with the ship, the ship is to go

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down with the captain. " Any Lib Dems that do this are stark raving

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mad. Sheila, you have got a big story. This is about Putin having a

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go at this opera singer because she was plump, and appallingly insulting

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reviews about the way she looks. This marvellous article in the

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Observer talking about that, saying this rather unattractive critic

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sitting there saying this girl who has the most beautiful voice is

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giving a bad performance because she is on the plump side and they cannot

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imagine her being sexually attractive. Sad little men. Then she

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goes into a more detailed critique of the critics, saying there they

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are, 70% male so it is not surprising they are sitting in front

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saying, she is not pretty enough for that part. I thought in the old days

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opera singers who were not large one not supposed to have as good voices.

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The men, I go and see opera occasionally and they are huge, and

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I don't care because they sound wonderful and it is a fantasy

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anyway. This particular opera is so complicated, she is meant to be a

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boy but she is a girl and she falls in love with a girl who falls in

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love with her, who thinks she is a boy. I love the fact there is an art

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critic called Clap! We move onto? Amazon, it is their tax affairs, it

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is incredible. They are incredible, anyone who orders from Amazon, rape

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customer service. Do you buy your books from Amazon? I do, I feel

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dirty doing it... But Amazon are paying ?4.2 million, they have a

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turnover of ?11 billion, they are hugely profitable company and they

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can do this because they funnel it through Luxembourg. Your local book

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shop cannot do that, and they sell lots of things obviously other than

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books but the VAT in Luxembourg is 5%. I will be doing the festival

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round in autumn and I enjoy it. This is a marvellous article about the

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Hay Festival, and there is a quote from Kennedy saying it is about the

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audiences, they are lovely, completely unrepresented in the

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British cultural debate. He said it is all toxic stuff about what people

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can and cannot say. Buy a book in the local book shop, and then go to

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your local festival whatever you do. It will restore your faith in

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humanity. The weather in a moment, but first of the Lib Dems. A

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hammering in the local elections was on the cards and that is what

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happened, they lost nearly 300 seats. Tonight we will find out how

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they fared in terms of European Parliament seats but how does this

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boat for the John the -- how does this bode for the general election

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in one year? I am joined by Tim Farron. We will be looking at the

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results, we will see what happens tonight and we will look ahead to

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2015 and Nick Clegg's leadership, to do what we have been doing all along

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and concentrate on our assets. There were a lot of people who didn't

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deserve to lose, who worked their socks off. All the same, in places

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like Hull, Sheffield, Sultan, Watford, we have seen the Liberal

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Democrats doing well and we have to build those fortresses. We have a

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first past the post system for the general election next year and we

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had to operate on that basis. Under the leadership of Nick Clegg, we

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will go forward and be proud behind our leader. You keep saying our

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leader, and the message is very clear, but this headline says there

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is a petition running on your supporters and party members for a

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change of leadership. What is your message to those people? I

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understand that there will be lots of people who are bruised by the

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results. I have lost elections before and it is miserable, and I

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also understand why many people will feel the message is a really

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difficult one. We will have lost people who voted for us four years

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ago, but I just think that this time it will be foolish for us as a party

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to turn on ourselves. What separates the Liberal Democrats from the

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Conservatives is that whilst the Conservative have been fighting with

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each other, we have is. United. -- we have stood united. It hasn't done

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very well for you, hasn't it? Being in government has clearly damaged

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our electoral standing and I think we could have predicted that at the

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beginning. It was the right thing to do for the country though. Is the

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answer not to ditch Nick Clegg, when what is the solution to your

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problem? A lot of Liberal Democrats feel they are facing oblivion at the

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moment. I don't downplay it in the slightest because one of the things

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I hate about this point in the cycle is that you end up in a position

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where you are having to talk about people losing their seats as

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collateral damage and these are real human beings who have worked their

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socks off for their party and community, often for donkeys years

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and have lost through no fault of their own. The idea we can dismiss

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this... It is not their fault? I have deep sympathy with the fact

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people feel the way they do but I don't agree with any conclusion.

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About 200 people signed the petition, some of whom are not party

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members, and the overwhelming majority of the party believes we

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took a tough decision four years ago and just at the point that decision

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is paying off with the economic recovery and we are being vindicated

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for the decisions we took in 2010, it would be weird for the party to

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change direction and somehow decided that all the things we got right we

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didn't mean to do. You are sinking and your messages to carry on

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straight towards the rocks? No, it isn't at all. It would be

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dishonest to say otherwise but we have done badly in many areas of the

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country over Thursday and Friday, but it is also important to remember

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how well we have done in places like Hull, Newcastle and Redcar. Some of

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them are not Liberal Democrats seats now but we have done well in others

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as well. In 2015 we will go forward with Nick Clegg and defend our

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record, and we have to apply our track record of community politics

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to our communities. If it is not just going to be under Nick Clegg

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but also underwater, you have to make some big changes, don't you? At

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what point are you going to start distancing yourselves more clearly

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from the Conservatives? My view is that we should have been perhaps

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more distinctive from the beginning on many issues but you cannot be so

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distinctive that you are disruptive. What is on trial here is plural

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politics, coalition government. If people come to the next election and

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think that coalition government is a mess and a non-stable thing, which

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it has not been, but if that was the case people would be pushed to the

:25:23.:25:28.

extremes again. They wouldn't want to vote for parties who could form

:25:29.:25:37.

part of the Coalition, all lead one. Now in 2014, when the tough

:25:38.:25:40.

decisions are paying off and their risk and economic recovery, it would

:25:41.:25:46.

be foolish to turn our back on that. If I was the Liberal Democrat MP

:25:47.:25:53.

calling today for the Nick Clegg to go, what would your message speak to

:25:54.:26:00.

me directly? I don't think John Pugh has called for Nick Clegg to go. He

:26:01.:26:05.

has expressed concern about the direction of the party, there are

:26:06.:26:10.

some fair points, and I am not dismissing the concerns people have

:26:11.:26:14.

about the state of the party and about our continuing poll ratings,

:26:15.:26:18.

but it is important to remember that we can make things a lot worse by

:26:19.:26:23.

turning in on ourselves. We can also make things worse by looking like we

:26:24.:26:28.

don't agree with the difficult things we did four years ago. If

:26:29.:26:32.

George Osborne had been in power on his own there would have been many

:26:33.:26:38.

more cuts and we would have seen demand sucked out of the recovery

:26:39.:26:43.

far more. I am sure it is down to the Liberal Democrats there is a

:26:44.:26:49.

recovery. Tim Farron, thank you for joining us. Now to the weather

:26:50.:26:54.

forecast. Thunder and lightning across the country yesterday, a sign

:26:55.:26:58.

of The Times? If you are wondering whether it is safe to get the

:26:59.:27:03.

barbecue out for the weekend, let's see what Phil has to say. It might

:27:04.:27:12.

be pushing it a bit far, talking about barbecue weather. There will

:27:13.:27:18.

be heavy, thundery showers in the mix. We have had rain this morning

:27:19.:27:24.

from the Midlands and on towards Lincolnshire, and in Scotland. I'm

:27:25.:27:30.

hoping this southern belt of weather will turn more showery through the

:27:31.:27:38.

afternoon. Brighter skies further south and east, 18 or 19 in the

:27:39.:27:44.

sunshine, but where you keep the cloud across the north of Scotland,

:27:45.:27:48.

11 only. Through the course of the night, more heavy showers and there

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will be another area of shower activity up through France into the

:27:56.:28:01.

south and the Midlands. Monday will be a mixture of sunny spells and

:28:02.:28:05.

some pretty heavy and frequent showers. Mention of the storm

:28:06.:28:12.

clouds, they will certainly be gathering in the forthcoming week. A

:28:13.:28:15.

fair amount of cloud bringing rain at times, it will also be breezy and

:28:16.:28:25.

feeling rather cool. Meteorological storms and political storms too. If

:28:26.:28:29.

the local election results are reliable, Ed Miliband's hopes of

:28:30.:28:32.

winning the next general election have been undermined by the surge of

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UKIP. Traditional Labour strongholds fell to Nigel Farage's candidates

:28:39.:28:44.

giving Ed Miliband a big problem. Many say the problem starts with the

:28:45.:28:49.

leader himself, his deputy Harriet Harman joins me now. Do you have a

:28:50.:28:54.

problem with Ed Miliband in your party? I disagree with the way you

:28:55.:29:00.

framed it. Many people feel really disaffected from politics and

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alienate it from politics, and in a way I think you could have benefited

:29:05.:29:10.

from that but it is not true to say we are all in the same boat and that

:29:11.:29:14.

Labour is facing difficulties. Next week I have to sit down and write

:29:15.:29:19.

300 letters to candidates who are now councillors who have won their

:29:20.:29:25.

seats. We have won more votes than the other parties and more

:29:26.:29:28.

councillors so I cannot answer a question about how bad things are

:29:29.:29:33.

for Ed Miliband. Compared to the other parties, we are moving

:29:34.:29:38.

forward. I agree with the point there is major disaffection and I

:29:39.:29:42.

think UKIP have benefited from that but they are not the answer to that.

:29:43.:29:49.

I have got to be congratulating our candidates when the Tories and the

:29:50.:29:53.

Lib Dems will be writing condolence letters. There was an argument

:29:54.:30:00.

running for a long time that it was a family split on the right, nothing

:30:01.:30:04.

to do with the Labour Party, and this shows that was not true. We

:30:05.:30:12.

never said that, we never said the rise of UKIP was a good thing

:30:13.:30:16.

because it splits the vote on the right politics. That is not what we

:30:17.:30:22.

said. We said we had to address the underlying causes of concern that

:30:23.:30:26.

people have that lead them to say... And I face people on their doorstep

:30:27.:30:29.

in the election and they would looked me straight in the eye,

:30:30.:30:32.

saying normally I am a Labour supporter but I am not going to vote

:30:33.:30:36.

for you, I will vote for UKIP because I think you need a shake-up.

:30:37.:30:43.

What do you think... It is like anti-politics, you have to get your

:30:44.:30:46.

act together and we are listening to that and dealing with the issues

:30:47.:30:50.

they are raising, the standard of living, hopes for the future,

:30:51.:30:55.

they are raising, the standard of You don't think it is to do with

:30:56.:30:59.

immigration? I think immigration is part and parcel of people's concern.

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They feel they are working hard, but pay is stagnating, it is difficult

:31:06.:31:09.

for them to get a home, they are concerned about those things. That

:31:10.:31:13.

is why issues like we have put forward, preventing agencies,

:31:14.:31:16.

exclusively bringing in employees from Poland rather than people here,

:31:17.:31:24.

they are important issues. You save you are listening to these people

:31:25.:31:28.

and you accept that immigration is one those things -- you say, but

:31:29.:31:33.

that use site policies you have already announced. So what are you

:31:34.:31:40.

going to do that is going to be different as a result? It is not

:31:41.:31:44.

only listening to people and making it clear to them that we make those

:31:45.:31:48.

concerns, I think that was one of the very important things people

:31:49.:31:52.

wanted to say, you have to listen to us, but more than that, we actually

:31:53.:31:58.

have to give them the confidence that in the Labour Party, we have

:31:59.:32:01.

the solution to those problems. It is not just enough to listen. We

:32:02.:32:05.

have to rebuild the confidence which has been eroded. In time, not in the

:32:06.:32:11.

most immediate past, but for some time. In the Labour Party? In the

:32:12.:32:17.

whole political process, since MPs' expensive, the financial crisis.

:32:18.:32:22.

People are thinking can any of this blog help with our problems which --

:32:23.:32:29.

expenses. Ed Miliband is one of the only party leaders who actually

:32:30.:32:32.

understands that people are having trouble making ends meet is and we

:32:33.:32:37.

no need to build their confidence. So having listened and listened and

:32:38.:32:40.

listened, is there a single policy you are going to change as a result

:32:41.:32:48.

or is it going on as before? It is not abstract listening, it is

:32:49.:32:52.

showing we have listened and developing those policies. We have

:32:53.:32:55.

developed policies to ensure people's rents do not go through the

:32:56.:33:02.

roof, fuel bills are frozen... Have we finished policy? Definitely not.

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These are past policies which resulted in these election results.

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They are good policies and there will be good policies in the future.

:33:12.:33:17.

Freezing the fuel bills and tackling rent? They are good policies. We

:33:18.:33:23.

need more. Anything on immigration or Europe? I think the question of

:33:24.:33:27.

ensuring that people's pay is not undercut by people coming in from

:33:28.:33:31.

Europe and elsewhere and making people feel as if they are working

:33:32.:33:37.

hard, their cost of living is slipping back. People are concerned

:33:38.:33:40.

because they feel their prospects for the future threat in an standard

:33:41.:33:45.

of living is stagnating. We have to address that was keeping England and

:33:46.:33:48.

the UK as a global, outward facing economy. We have read this morning

:33:49.:33:54.

that the Conservatives want tougher policies to penalised employers that

:33:55.:33:59.

are not paying minimum wage. That is something the Labour Party has

:34:00.:34:03.

talked about and is it something you welcome? Excuse me but just

:34:04.:34:07.

remembering that the Tories were against the minimum wage in the

:34:08.:34:10.

first place and secondly, have not been in favour of enforcing it. If

:34:11.:34:15.

they are repenting, yes, it is a good thing and it is important to

:34:16.:34:19.

have a floor under wages and have them effectively enforced, and more

:34:20.:34:23.

than that, Ed Miliband has been arguing for a living wage, which is

:34:24.:34:28.

making sure that we use the power of public policy to ensure that pay

:34:29.:34:33.

moves forward. Your own candidates have been saying over the last 12

:34:34.:34:37.

hours that Ed Miliband has been an issue on the doorstep. You are

:34:38.:34:40.

saying they are wrong and have picked up something that isn't

:34:41.:34:44.

there, or is there something there that can be sorted? With 300 new

:34:45.:34:48.

councillors, they will be baffled by the idea that we would be turning

:34:49.:34:54.

inward and criticising ourselves. And as far as the public are

:34:55.:34:58.

concerned, I was turning inwards and having self-criticism is not a good

:34:59.:35:03.

idea. -- us turning. We have to listen to their criticisms and act

:35:04.:35:08.

on them. I have designed those letters congratulating the

:35:09.:35:10.

councillors, whilst Grant Shapps will have to write and say, I am

:35:11.:35:17.

sorry you have lost your seat. All of the polling shows that Ed

:35:18.:35:21.

Miliband is less popular in the party by quite a margin and a third

:35:22.:35:24.

of Labour supporters prefer to have David Cameron try minister rather

:35:25.:35:32.

than Ed Miliband. There is something there, even if you don't want to

:35:33.:35:36.

acknowledge it. I am in favour of acknowledging everything but you

:35:37.:35:40.

can't look at every nuance of an opinion poll. Even in opposition, Ed

:35:41.:35:45.

Miliband has changed the political agenda, because the Tories and the

:35:46.:35:48.

Lib Dems did not even want to discuss the fact that there was a

:35:49.:35:52.

problem with the cost of living. They are busy saying there is a

:35:53.:35:55.

recovery and not recognising that many people feel the recovery has

:35:56.:36:00.

not come to their front door. Nothing to do with the

:36:01.:36:06.

presentational issue of the leader? Since 2010, when Ed Miliband became

:36:07.:36:11.

leader, we have had the momentum of moving forward when people are

:36:12.:36:14.

actually voting. So even before these election results, we had 1950

:36:15.:36:23.

more Labour councillors. On the basis of the results we have seen

:36:24.:36:26.

over the last few hours, you are not on course to win an overall majority

:36:27.:36:31.

at the next election, which you have two win to govern properly. I think

:36:32.:36:36.

the predictions about what these elections mean for 2015 are hard to

:36:37.:36:40.

make, because it is an unprecedented situation, with the Tories and the

:36:41.:36:45.

Lib Dems on coalition and you keep moving forward. I think easy

:36:46.:36:50.

predictions are for the birds. We know the facts, we are moving

:36:51.:36:53.

forward and Ed Miliband is in touch with people's concerns and we are

:36:54.:36:58.

putting forward those policies. I am sorry I cannot tear my hair out and

:36:59.:37:02.

agree with you that we are emerging blinking from the rubble. It might

:37:03.:37:06.

be the case for the other parties but not for us. There are concerned

:37:07.:37:10.

that we are determined to address them. Harriet Harman, I will let you

:37:11.:37:13.

write those letters. Thank you be joining us. And now to film. When

:37:14.:37:21.

they meet the media, movie stars often referred to cautious mode,

:37:22.:37:25.

steering clear of politics and avoiding controversy. That is not

:37:26.:37:28.

the style of James McAvoy, as soapy ray worth found at -- Sophie ray

:37:29.:37:35.

worth. The lead in the new X-Men movie cut his teeth in Shameless,

:37:36.:37:42.

going on to star in Atonement and the last King of Scotland. He was

:37:43.:37:47.

not afraid to speak his mind on a range of issues, from 3-D cinema,

:37:48.:37:52.

the cost of cinema tickets and the referendum, but first, he began by

:37:53.:37:57.

talking about the new X-Men film and why the characters fascinated him.

:37:58.:38:04.

The thing that makes them interesting is that they all have a

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really human crisis. They've got an existentialist human crisis going on

:38:10.:38:12.

which is that they are all persecuted. They are all closeted,

:38:13.:38:15.

all ghettoised, all feared for being different and if they aren't feared

:38:16.:38:18.

for being different it's because they are scared of revealing their

:38:19.:38:21.

true nature because they are worried about being persecuted. You can look

:38:22.:38:25.

around the world and see that that happens everywhere, and that makes

:38:26.:38:30.

it quite a human thing I think. And your character in particular I've

:38:31.:38:34.

got to say is one of the most interesting. All kinds of facets,

:38:35.:38:37.

all kinds of sides. Tell us about Professor X. Professor X is the most

:38:38.:38:43.

unmutant-like of all the mutants in that he is not ghettoised, and he's

:38:44.:38:47.

not conflicted and not afraid. Almost a selfless, wise, caring

:38:48.:38:50.

leader, almost kind of a priest-like person. In First Class, the original

:38:51.:38:59.

film I did, I got the opportunity to mix that up a little bit and warp

:39:00.:39:04.

that a little bit. In this movie I get to smash that persona to pieces.

:39:05.:39:10.

Dry your eyes, Eric, it doesn't justify what you've done. You've no

:39:11.:39:17.

idea what I've done. I know you took the things that mean the most to me.

:39:18.:39:21.

Maybe you should have fought harder for them. If you want to fight,

:39:22.:39:25.

Eric, I will give you a fight. You abandoned me, you took her away and

:39:26.:39:29.

you abandoned me. Mutant brothers and sisters, you abandoned us all.

:39:30.:39:35.

We were supposed to protect them. Eric!

:39:36.:39:44.

I get to show him on his knees like a wounded dog, abusing drugs,

:39:45.:39:49.

abusing alcohol, and rejecting his position as one of the benevolent

:39:50.:39:59.

leaders of a burgeoning new species. So yes, I get to mess with this

:40:00.:40:03.

audience of fans, his perception of him, these people who hold so dear

:40:04.:40:07.

and are really precious about his persona. I get to kick the front

:40:08.:40:17.

doors in of that the building and set it on fire. Tell me when you are

:40:18.:40:21.

filming what it is like, because it is a huge budget film, isn't it?

:40:22.:40:25.

$225 million. Something like that, yes. A lot of it is done with

:40:26.:40:30.

special effects. Were you filming in green screen studios? That's a

:40:31.:40:35.

little bit of it. Is it quite difficult to do that stuff? I always

:40:36.:40:41.

say I would rather be working in a green screen studio with a good

:40:42.:40:44.

script rather than working in a beautifully realised physical

:40:45.:40:49.

location that has a bad script. The thing that makes it difficult is

:40:50.:40:52.

when you are doing rubbish and it may just be the case that quite a

:40:53.:40:57.

lot of movies that utilise a lot of green screen have had rubbish

:40:58.:41:00.

scripts as well. This film is in 3D, I seem to remember with X-Men First

:41:01.:41:04.

Class you weren't very convinced by 3D and you were quite pleased it

:41:05.:41:07.

wasn't 3D. I was, because it makes it cheaper for people to go and see

:41:08.:41:12.

for a start. Am I convinced about 3D? Probably not, but I've watched a

:41:13.:41:18.

couple of movies that I thought, I was glad that was 3D, and I

:41:19.:41:21.

definitely feel that way about Days Of Future Past. Quite often I find

:41:22.:41:27.

that after the first five minutes you stop noticing it is 3D for a

:41:28.:41:31.

start. Why are they doing it? Just for money? Because it bumps the

:41:32.:41:36.

money up and bumps the DVD price up. I think it is a con a lot of the

:41:37.:41:41.

time, but not Days Of Future Past. I must ask you about the forthcoming

:41:42.:41:46.

referendum. Do you get dragged into this? I refuse point-blank, but I

:41:47.:41:56.

have got an issue with politicians. They seem to be very good at arguing

:41:57.:42:00.

and lying and I'm also part of a profession that are trained to lie,

:42:01.:42:04.

and to tell a story, win an audience over, win in 90 minutes so I always

:42:05.:42:08.

worry when politicians side with actors. -- win an argument. Even

:42:09.:42:14.

when they are not lying, they are the most untrustworthy people. I

:42:15.:42:22.

feel like the political argument is redundant. I'm not anti-political

:42:23.:42:28.

but I do feel in this case the political argument is redundant. The

:42:29.:42:35.

people we are listening to who are winning us over or not winning us

:42:36.:42:40.

over may not be there in five years, may not be there in ten years. The

:42:41.:42:49.

policies will change so we are basically listening to a political

:42:50.:42:52.

argument based on your lives will be better, the same as any political

:42:53.:42:55.

argument for any redact election. It is redundant. The people who

:42:56.:43:00.

takeover could change anything. If you want to be independent, then go

:43:01.:43:05.

for it and no matter how hard it is you will still get what you want,

:43:06.:43:09.

but if you are going into it because you think things will be better or

:43:10.:43:13.

worse, if you are voting for or against because you think it will

:43:14.:43:16.

they be better or worse, I think that is a vote that may or may not

:43:17.:43:21.

be backed up with the outcome and at the end of the day you have only

:43:22.:43:25.

done it because you want to improve the situation. Do you feel

:43:26.:43:29.

passionately about it yourself? Do you know how you will vote? I do,

:43:30.:43:34.

yes, but I won't be releasing it. I feel comfortable saying what I just

:43:35.:43:38.

said because I don't feel I am backing a party. Whatever way my

:43:39.:43:42.

country votes I will be so happy to support but, even if it goes against

:43:43.:43:46.

what I want, I hope my country votes because it is what they truly want,

:43:47.:43:49.

not because a politician is telling them things will be better. Because

:43:50.:43:54.

how many times have we heard that and how many times has that

:43:55.:43:57.

happened? Why will it be better simply because we are going to be

:43:58.:44:01.

independent? Why is it going to be right this time? If you want

:44:02.:44:06.

independence, go for it but go for it because you look yourself in the

:44:07.:44:09.

mirror and it is really important for you to be separate from the

:44:10.:44:13.

person down the road. If you want to be together, go for it but go for it

:44:14.:44:17.

because you believe in being together and the world being bigger

:44:18.:44:20.

instead of smaller. James McAvoy, thank you very much.

:44:21.:44:23.

If there is one issue which seems to have powered UKIP's success over the

:44:24.:44:27.

last few years, it is concerned about immigration and with

:44:28.:44:31.

immaculate timing on polling day itself, we got the latest

:44:32.:44:34.

immigration figures, which showed a big increase during last year,

:44:35.:44:38.

especially from eastern and southern Europe. The target of reducing net

:44:39.:44:42.

migration to tens of thousands looks an impossible dream now for the

:44:43.:44:46.

Conservatives, so what is the plan? The spotlight is on the Home

:44:47.:44:50.

Secretary, Theresa May, who joins me now. Before we turn to immigration,

:44:51.:44:55.

the UKIP effect? Would you acknowledge it has been damaging for

:44:56.:44:58.

the Conservatives and are you worried about what will be revealed

:44:59.:45:06.

over the next 12 hours? I try never to predict results so I will not

:45:07.:45:11.

comment on the European elections. Obviously on Thursday we saw UKIP

:45:12.:45:16.

taking seats, evidence showed they took votes from across the political

:45:17.:45:21.

parties, from Labour as well as the Conservatives, but if you look at

:45:22.:45:26.

what happened on Thursday I think the results are more complicated.

:45:27.:45:33.

We, as Conservatives, lost councils and councillors and there were many

:45:34.:45:37.

dedicated hard-working councillors who lost seats through no fault of

:45:38.:45:42.

their own. Also we held councils in key areas like Swindon and we took a

:45:43.:45:50.

council from the Liberal Democrats in Kingston. We lost some councils

:45:51.:45:55.

and councillors but we took one council and made gains in key

:45:56.:46:01.

areas. Some of your Conservative colleagues on the backbenches in

:46:02.:46:05.

particular feel they will lose their seats to UKIP, because we have lost

:46:06.:46:09.

activists and party members to UKIP and feel there should be leeway for

:46:10.:46:21.

local pacts with UKIP, would you allow that to happen? No, there will

:46:22.:46:30.

be no pacts with any other political party and the Conservatives. I

:46:31.:46:34.

believe in going out there and talking to people about what the

:46:35.:46:38.

Conservatives believe in and it is important we share what we will do

:46:39.:46:41.

in responding to the genuine concerns people have about a number

:46:42.:46:47.

of issues. On the issue of results, what is perhaps most interesting is

:46:48.:46:53.

that no party has actually won a general election without being the

:46:54.:46:59.

largest party in local government. Labour are not the largest party in

:47:00.:47:02.

local government now, the Conservatives are. Will you

:47:03.:47:06.

discipline and Conservative members who try to organise local pacts with

:47:07.:47:16.

UKIP? I expect Conservatives to be going out there and talking about

:47:17.:47:20.

what we believe in, what we have been doing. There will be no pacts

:47:21.:47:31.

between the Conservative party and UKIP or any other party because we

:47:32.:47:34.

recognise the concerns out there and we have a job to do. We have to

:47:35.:47:39.

persuade people who have moved away from us to come back and vote for us

:47:40.:47:46.

again. I recognise the genuine concerns people have, and we see

:47:47.:47:51.

that our economic plan is working, the economy is turning round but

:47:52.:47:57.

that has not perhaps fed through to everybody. They are concerned about

:47:58.:48:01.

issues like immigration and welfare. Which I would like to come onto

:48:02.:48:07.

right now. Do you accept the figures of 212,000 net immigration? The

:48:08.:48:15.

Office for National Statistics is an independent body and they produce

:48:16.:48:19.

these figures, and I accept the figures they produce. We have seen

:48:20.:48:24.

an upturn in immigration from the European Union but crucially,

:48:25.:48:29.

overall, since we came to power there are over 70,000 fewer people

:48:30.:48:35.

immigrated into the UK last year then did four years ago when we came

:48:36.:48:40.

into government. You are still 1 million miles away from the promise

:48:41.:48:43.

of tens of thousands that David Cameron said. He said that, and now

:48:44.:48:57.

it is over 200,000. I put it to you that you get rid of that promise, I

:48:58.:49:02.

don't see how you still could possibly do so? You are right, it

:49:03.:49:07.

has become more difficult and net migration is too high, that's why we

:49:08.:49:11.

want to continue working to bring it down. What we see is that in those

:49:12.:49:16.

areas that we can control, immigration from outside the

:49:17.:49:20.

European Union, everything we have done in government has been having

:49:21.:49:24.

an impact. We can see that net migration from outside the European

:49:25.:49:29.

Union is down to its lowest levels since the 1990s. Apart from that, it

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is very different. Is that promise down to tens of thousands now

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redundant? No, as I say, I have still got that target. It is a

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target, not a pledge? It has always been a target to drive towards that.

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Not a pledge, not a promise? It is a target that we have, to reduce net

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migration to the tens of thousands. We are seeing an impact in what we

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are doing, where we can control immigration from outside the

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European Union. As I say, net migration from outside the EU is

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down to its lowest levels since the 1990s. From inside the EU, we are

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doing what we can to affect that as well. It has been reported this

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morning there are range of things you are now looking at, including

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deporting people who have been in the country for six months and

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cannot get a job back to their own country, are you looking at that? We

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have been looking at various measures and we will continue to do

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so. We are looking at what happens... Yes, what happens to

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people when they have no longer exercising their treaty rights in

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the UK. We have already made a change in this area. Would you have

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to change the law in order to deport people who have come here and cannot

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all have not got a job? We are looking at a range of measures and

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in some areas there are ways you can do it without changing the rules,

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some may require a change in legislation, but we now have new

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legislation to toughen up our ability to deal with people who are

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here illegally. We can make it harder for people who are here

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illegally to access the things they need like a driving licence and bank

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accounts. We are tightening up the appeals process so there are fewer

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routes for people to play the system. What about the amount of

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time people can claim benefits for? system. What about the amount of

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One of the crucial changes we made this year for

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One of the crucial changes we made the European Union into

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One of the crucial changes we made that we said they cannot just come

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here and claim benefits straightaway, they have to wait

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three months to do that. Do you want to extend that now? We will look at

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that timing and see if it is right to make it six months overall. We

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haven't yet got agreement over the Coalition to do that but these are

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the sort of measures we are looking at. What about cracking down on

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employers who are not paying the minimum wage and therefore bringing

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on people who are undercutting British workers' pay? We are going

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to raise the fine and that is an important signal we are giving, that

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we are determined to take the measures that will make a

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difference. We are going to see a new package of measures that will

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include that, will include possible deportation and will include

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cracking down on so-called welfare benefits? We have a number of

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measures we are looking at, it is no surprise to anybody that there have

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been some long-standing, possibly heated discussions + among the

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Coalition on some issues of immigration. What matters to people

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is that where we have been able to control immigration, we are seeing

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an impact in the figures. What also matters is that we recognise we need

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to do something about European migration. Just look at the issue of

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free movement. Four years ago in Europe's people were not talking

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about the abuse of free movement. From the beginning I have been

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saying we need to deal with this, now we have a whole list of

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countries saying that this is an issue. But you need treaty changes

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to get that, don't you? There are measures that can be taken outside

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of treaty changes, but we need to look at what happens when countries

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come into the European Union and possibly not allow full free

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movement right until their economy has reached a certain level, but we

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are the only party that has the policy that ensures we can do the

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renegotiation that can put that into practice. You pressed very hard to

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get Abu Hamza extradited to the US, but why is it that it was possible

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to convict him of terrorist offences in New York based on British

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evidence, but it wasn't possible for our authorities to do that? Is there

:54:22.:54:27.

something wrong with our system? Abu Hamza is in the right place, behind

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bars, he is a dangerous man and it is right he is brought to justice.

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He did face charges in the UK, the decision to bring terrorism charges

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was a decision for the independent Crown Prosecution Service. That is

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where the decisions are taken in the UK, but I was clear that I needed to

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work hard to ensure that he could be extradited, that's what I did, we

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saw him on the plane, now we have seen him brought to justice and we

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wait for the sentencing but I suspect he will find himself behind

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bars for some time. There is no vacancy, but one day there will be,

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and you are now the number one favourite to take over on David

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Cameron in due course. How does that make you feel? There is no question

:55:21.:55:24.

about leadership in the Conservative party. The only question there is,

:55:25.:55:34.

is who is going to lead the country after the next general election. No

:55:35.:55:39.

arm wrestling with George Osborne, or heaven forbid Boris Johnson? No,

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we are all getting on with the job of getting across the message that

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it is our long-term plan as Conservatives that is turning the

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economy around and people should not be throwing that away. Thank you.

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The news headlines. The Home Secretary has told this pogrom the

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Conservatives still have the aim of reducing net migration to the tens

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of thousands, despite official figures showing net migration last

:56:09.:56:13.

year was more than 200,000. Theresa May said the Government was

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succeeding in the areas it could control and was looking to new

:56:17.:56:22.

measures to reduce immigration from within the EU.

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The president of the Liberal Democrats has called on colleagues

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to stand proudly behind Nick Clegg's leadership. Tim Farron was

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responding to calls from two MPs for a thorough review of the Lib Dem

:56:36.:56:40.

strategy. He said he understood why many party members felt bruised, but

:56:41.:56:46.

he said it would be foolish to turn in on ourselves. Labour's Harriet

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Harman has also defended her party leaders saying Ed Miliband was in

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touch with people 's concerns and Labour would develop more policies

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to address them. We will get back to Andrew the moment but first here is

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a little look at what is, not after this programme.

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Join us live at ten o'clock when we will be debated in the right to be

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forgotten, where -- whether there is a clash between being Christian and

:57:18.:57:28.

a member of UKIP. Is there still a problem of macho

:57:29.:57:32.

culture in the House of Commons generally because neither of your

:57:33.:57:36.

parties have as many women in the top seats as you would presumably

:57:37.:57:41.

hope for? There are still more to be done in terms of getting women into

:57:42.:57:45.

politics and the House of Commons and it is certainly the case this is

:57:46.:57:48.

not something that you just make one step. As the Conservative party, we

:57:49.:57:54.

have made a key increase in the number of women in parliament but

:57:55.:58:00.

you have to keep your foot on the accelerator. You cannot say at any

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stage that is it and we can go away. This is not actually what British

:58:07.:58:12.

politics looks like. We are highly unrepresentative, the two of us

:58:13.:58:18.

sitting here. We have made massive strides but men still outnumber

:58:19.:58:21.

women in British politics, although we have come a long way. Can I just

:58:22.:58:27.

say that I think it matters because we have been talking about the

:58:28.:58:30.

disconnection between people and politics, and a lot of women who are

:58:31.:58:35.

trying to go to work, bring up the kids, look after elderly relatives,

:58:36.:58:40.

if they see that politics is overwhelmingly dominated by men,

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they say, it has got nothing to do with my life. It is crucial we see a

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diversity of people in the House of Commons and that it is showing the

:58:51.:58:56.

people they see day in, day out. Thank you, that is all we have time

:58:57.:59:02.

for today. Next week I will be talking to a senior UKIP figure and

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there will be alive- in the studio, Terry Gilliam. -- a live python.

:59:08.:59:45.

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