08/06/2014 The Andrew Marr Show

If there's an Islamist plot bubbling in Britain's schools, extremists

have this morning claimed their first scalps - a battered Home

Secretary forced to fire her closest adviser and an Education Secretary

damaged after being made to publicly apologise. There's even talk

That doesn't matter very much, two damaged Cabinet egos.

What does matter is what's going on in these classrooms and

This isn't about two ministers' futures, it's about Britain's.

And joining me today for our review of the Sunday newspapers, the former

First Sea Lord and one-time Security Minister, Admiral Lord West.

And the mothership of the Liberal Democrats,

Of course, this week we've been remembering D-Day.

The EU may have helped keep the peace in Europe since the War

but it's a fractious and uneasy union now, as the recent

Violence is growing worse in Ukraine and, in the west,

political strife has been driven by the economic crisis - not over -

as I've been hearing from the head of the IMF, Christine Lagarde.

She's been in London to report on the relative health

But, of course, we talked about European politics too and

Some think she'd be the best woman for the top job of President

And we'll talk more about EU reform and those Cabinet

battles later on with the Foreign Secretary, William Hague.

UKIP failed to win its by-election battle with the Tories this week but

seems increasingly to be training its guns on the Labour Party.

Should Labour respond with a tougher policy on immigration?

The woman who has to decide is the Shadow Home Secretary,

Also, with 100 days to go until the referendum on Scottish independence,

we'll be joined by somebody who certainly does want to be in Europe,

What does he make of President Obama's unexpected

And our music this morning hails from Scotland too:

Eddi Reader is here with a song from her latest album.

First though, it's over to Sian for the morning's news headlines.

The Education Secretary, Michael Gove, has apologised to the Prime

Minister following a bitter public row with the Home Secretary, Theresa

May, over reports that hard-line Muslims had attempted to influence

Mrs May's special advisor has resigned after David Cameron

Our political correspondent, Chris Mason, reports.

Wednesday was supposed to be the day at Westminster dominated by this...

My Lords and Members of the House of Commons.

The Queen 's Speech, the Government setting out

Never mind the pomp and ceremony, instead there was a public spat

between two of the Government's most senior Conservative ministers,

The row broke out because of the allegations still hovering over

21 schools in Birmingham and the suggestion there has been a takeover

Michael Gove told the Times the Home Office 's response to extremism

was inadequate and that some had been very wary of drawing attention

to the alleged events here as it might be seen as Islamophobic.

This woman, the Home Secretary 's special

adviser, Fiona Cunningham, told reporters that Mr Gove was trying to

The resignation leaves the Home Secretary wounded.

Michael Gove 's apology to the Prime Minister and a senior Home Office

It will not be easy for him to face questions from MPs

in the Commons tomorrow after the inspectors' reports into those

Football's world governing body, FIFA, is under growing pressure

over its decision to award the 2022 World Cup to Qatar.

One of its main sponsors, Sony, has called for a thorough investigation

into allegations of corruption during the bidding process.

Here's our sports editor, David Bond.

It has not been an easy ride but with a few days to go Brazil is

getting ready to stage football 's biggest party.

For the men who run the global game, it is the World Cup in Qatar

Today more allegations about how the tiny Gulf State won the right

The Sunday Times says Qatar 's disgraced former football chief,

Mohamed bin Hammam, brokered deals and favours to secure

However, both Qatar and bin Hammam have repeatedly denied he played any

Britain 's most senior football official admits it has been another

tough week but he says FIFA is changing.

Mr bin Hammam, who there has been a lot of talk about recently, he

Many of these are the people who are mentioned are no

In the meantime, Qatar are getting on with their plans.

They and FIFA will be hoping the football in Brazil will take

Security is tight in the Egyptian capital, Cairo, ahead of

the swearing-in ceremony of the new president, Abdel Fattah el-Sisi.

Mr el-Sisi won last month's elections by a landslide,

The elections came less than a year after he deposed the

Here, the Health and Safety Executive has

begun an investigation into the death of a ten-year-old boy, who was

It happened on a farm near Dunloy in County Antrim yesterday afternoon.

The boy's father has been left critically injured.

A Royal Navy warship has been deployed to the Baltic Sea for a

military exercise, amid continuing tensions with Russia over Ukraine.

The Defence Secretary, Philip Hammond, has announced that

British forces will take part in three operations in the Baltic

region to provide reassurance to allies in Eastern Europe.

He added that the situation in Ukraine continues to be

of great concern to the international community.

I'll be back with the headlines just before 10am.

The Mail on Sunday talks about bloodbath over Muslim schools the --

fiasco. Michael Gove is forced to apologise. A moving story in the

Independent on Sunday about rape in wall. When we rape, we feel free.

Finally, the Sunday Times, carrying on its assault on FIFA, which seems

to be bearing a lot of fruit at the moment, judging by the news

headlines. And with me to review the papers are

Shirley Williams and Lord West. Be Michael Gove and Theresa May

story is quite serious. They are both substantial contenders for

future Prime Minister. They are probably the most significant,

specific Cabinet ministers on the right of the Conservative Party. One

would have thought they would be singing in chorus. They have broken

their relationship of the Muslim issue in Birmingham. I think one of

the real problems is that Mr Gove has brought in a policy under which

the Department of Education is almost solely responsible for the

way schools are run - whether they practice the National Curriculum. He

has a contract with every single academy and every free school helped

by the Department of Education. If there is a free school, it is his

responsibility? It is his responsibility and it is too much.

He simply cannot do this. You wear a former Education Secretary. You have

sat in the chair and looked at the scale of the job. I think he has

taken on too much. He is terribly dependent on Ofsted. They may miss

something for a couple of years. I am going back to the Muslim issue,

it is crucial we have a consensus on the approach to that. It really

means we have to respect the National Curriculum for all

schools. We have another Former Minister and you are on the security

side. Do you regard this as a security story rather than a Cabinet

row? This is something of great concern. There is an article by Toby

Young in the Mail on Sunday and an article in the Sunday Telegraph

which expose some of the real difficulties. We have not got this

right. Alasdair Palmer points out that back in the mid-90s we were

ignoring these things beginning to happen. The French warned us. They

had a term for it. Are we ignoring it again? There has been a huge

debate about multiculturalism. I think we have gone the wrong way. We

have a wonderful society. Britain is a marvellous place. We cannot allow

little groups to form which have a different agenda and the different

way of looking at things. Michael Gove is essentially right to warn

about this? He was warned by a highly regarded headmaster in 2010.

We are all in 2014. I have to say, I do not think he has the time or

energy to follow these things up. Sky it is understood. We have to get

the local community, local government and local educational

parity. Everyone needs to be involved in this, otherwise we will

not get that. We also have to get non-Muslims involved with Muslims

together. We have to move on. We have been talking all week about the

D-Day celebrations. You had a programme on the radio about the

Navy. It looks to me like the Mail on Sunday again. This is Bernard

Jordan, the great escapee. What a wonderful thing! The aspect I really

picked up was he was in naval officer. He said he was involved

with the Enigma machines and our ability to crack the German codes

and beat them. There was a piece in the Sunday Times, a lovely page

showing the level of ships involved. That shows the individual.

All of this, we forget with these huge pivotal events, that everyone

involved is an individual. It talks about this chap being sunk and

climbing out. We have seen the pictures of the troops that went

ashore and the veterans from the Army. Perhaps we forget how many

people died in the Navy. The other thing we should be proud of, there

have been about 6000 ships. Of those ships, about 5000 were British.

Imagine that. There is a tendency to call it the American invasion. That

wretched film that we do not talk about. I want to say there is a

wonderful spirit. He said, I loved every minute of my great escape and

I would do it again. You can see the whole of the older generation

mobilising. We are still there as individuals and we are as gutsy as

we ever were. Do you think we are going to see a whole wave of

pensioners absconding from homes? Almost certainly. Climbing out of

windows! A number of veterans have said, people keep saying this is our

last gathering. We intend to be there in ten years. When you are

looking back as a historian, what do you feel about the scale of the

cuts? I think we have gone too far with the Navy. We still run global

shipping from London and we are totally reliant on those sinews that

keeps the global village together. To have 19 escorts is a national

disgrace. We have to think very hard about that. We are in a very

dangerous world. Every 20 hours from Qatar, which we come on to another

reason, there is an LNG carrier. If you stop that, suddenly you have no

power. That is the same with food and other things. Build more ships.

We are engaging in exercises on the border at the moment. It is

important that we show... We should have been quicker. Do not try to

mess with that line. It just reinforces that.

have been quicker. Do not try to mess with that line. It is probably

a good thing to do these exercises. I think President Putin was caught

out with what happened in Ukraine. I do not think he really wants to get

involved with eastern Ukraine. He is in a bit of a mess. I think he has

the bit he really wants, Crimea. I mentioned at the beginning the story

in the Independent about the behaviour of soldiers in the Congo.

This is a terrible story, the commanders are saying to them in, go

out and rape women. A terrible phrase was used, that this makes us

feel free. Our Foreign Secretary we make is taking this very seriously.

-- William Hague. We are seeing this use of sexual violence as a major

weapon in war increasingly. In the case of Congo, what we are seeing

more and more is men soldiers being used as attackers on women, using

rape as their main attack form. That raises whole issues including

domestic violence and so on. There is a conference involving Angelina

Jolie and so on. There is a conference this week, and also with

William Hague. Where ever there is war, there is rape used...

Particularly in Bosnia. There is one thing to add, there is a strong

feeling that we are not treating women who flee as refugees from rape

areas with the sympathy that we should have. It takes police and

immigration officials to understand that this is a serious crime and not

something to be waved away. Lord West, your next story. This is the

World Cup issue and the allegations about bribery and things like that.

When it was announced that Qatar was doing it, were any of us surprised

that this nation got the thing? It made one wonder. And in a

temperature of 50 degrees or something like that. What is the

essence of the Sunday Times? Their second week of attacking on this

story. They are showing there is a case to answer. We have got to see

it fully but more and more is coming out and I think it is and about. I

feel in sport, but it clearly football, there was almost too much

money involved -- particularly in football, there was almost too much

football. There is a story of a Durham miners team that won the

equivalent of the World Cup in 1916. What a wonderful time that was.

Corinthian days. I would like to skip to this story about Margot

Asquith. She was a very waspish lady, reading through diaries and

making comments about them. I remember a famous story when she was

introduced to Jean Harlow, remember a famous story when she was

Harlow said, high, how nice to see you. Lady Asquith looked at her with

complete loathing and said, that he is silent -- the T is silent. When

we say waspish, it is more than that. This is Churchill in the First

World War. Winston's vanity is septic, he would die of blood

poisoning if it was not for the red blood that circulates through his

heart and stomach. It is savage stuff. We need more diarists like

that. The last story... The greatest grand strategic threat to the

security and defence of our islands is the possibility of Scotland

separating. There is an article in the Independent that looks at the

nuclear clean-up, talks about nuclear submarines. This is a

serious issue. There was no doubt that if Scotland separated, it would

diminish our ability to defend these islands. That is the fault of the

mystery of defence not preparing properly, many would say. -- the

Ministry of Defence. I am not blaming anybody but it would have a

huge impact. We have to leave it there, thank you both.

That's perhaps the earliest quotable line in English poetry,

and shows that it was a notable relief, when summer limped in

Still is. Over for further details, not necessarily in rhyming

I love your hands to the weather, I think you should come here and do

the weather yourself. For most of us it is going to be a beautiful day

with warm sunshine. There is a chance of catching one or two heavy

showers. On the satellite picture, vast swathes of the UK enjoying

early morning sunshine, mid-morning sunshine. The showers will be

brewing over the next few hours, probably across Wales, England,

Scotland and Northern Ireland. Most of us will miss them, temperatures

getting up into the mid-20s, maybe higher in the south-east. Through

tonight, with the cloud and the moisture coming in from the near

continent, it will be muddy. It is warm across continental Europe. 15

or 16 first thing in the morning -- it will be

a chance of catching a shower but still really warm, up to 25 degrees

in the south-east, more like 20 degrees across the warm spots in the

rest of the country. A quick outlook on what we can expect for Tuesday

and Wednesday, still a mix of showers that in the south it looks

as though it will stay warm. So, now we know what Barack Obama

thinks about the prospect But will the President's view -

that the UK should stay strong and united - have the slightest

influence on voters in Scotland? Will they be more swayed

by the latest promises from the unionist parties, of more power to

Scotland, if it doesn't break away? With 100 days to go now until

the crucial vote, I'm joined now from Aberdeen by the First Minister,

Alex Salmond - good morning. Good morning. Did you regard

President Obama's intervention as under the matter? -- undiplomatic?

It was surprising, America had made it clear they were staying

studiously neutral by the democratic referendum that was taking place in

Scotland. Then of course, David Cameron has been baying everybody

internationally to say everything. He is right to be worried. Perhaps

in the Richter scale of presidential interventions, this is mild. It is a

matter for the folks in Scotland. He hopes the UK will be strong and

united as an ally. If Scotland becomes independent, America will

have two allies. One of them is determined to get rid of nuclear

submarines. That is presumably what is worrying the Americans most. I

heard Lord West, he is exercised by it, but he believes Trident

submarines make the country more secure, I don't. A number of his

former colleagues share my view rather than his. If the rest of the

UK wants to retain a nuclear tape ability they can do so for the bid

would be an unwise -- nuclear capability, they can do so. I think

it would be unwise. It would not be wise to have nuclear station in

Scotland after independence. I am not saying they would have to be

moved in the day after, but remove they should be. You mentioned in a

newspaper article that the unionist parties have come up with different

tax-raising ideas for the Scottish Parliament. I have been talking to

yes campaigners and there is a general sense that this is an

inevitable process, that even if the vote doesn't go the way you hope,

Scotland will get more power and eventually independence will come.

Will you agree with that? The only guarantee of getting more powers is

to vote yes on September the 18th. Anything else is in the grace and

favour of the unionist parties. They have form in these sorts of things.

You and I are old enough to remember 1979, not just Alec Douglas Hume but

Margaret Thatcher indicated that if Scots voted no, there would be a

better deal coming along. Scots voted yes, we did not get

devolution, we got 18 years of Margaret Thatcher's government. I

think having had that experience, it would be foolish to rely on promises

from unionist parties. Far better to take the matter into our own hands

on September the 18th. The political atmosphere in Scotland is completely

different to 79. Do you think in these circumstances, the unionist

parties are not telling the truth when they say they would give the

Scottish Parliament new powers if there was a no vote? I am just

saying we should not rely on pre-referendum promises by parties

which are under pressure, under pressure because we have that

referendum date, we have the ability on September 18 to take the decision

for ourselves. It would be wise for us to do so. There is no doubt that

the Scottish Parliament, since 1999, as accumulated substantially more

power. That has been a good thing for Scotland. -- has accumulated.

You might argue that we have had a 100 year process of devolution of

power being devolved to Scotland and perhaps in the next 100 days we can

complete that journey. I have been talking to lots of people in

Scotland and I find it is completely impossible to guess what is going to

happen. So many people say, I don't know. Keeping things to themselves.

Do you think this is about ex-Labour voters in central Scotland, that is

the big battle ground area? There are a number of issues which will

decide the election. Rather than to King about individual categories of

voters... -- Rather than talking about. People who would normally

vote Labour, a large number of them will vote yes in the referendum and

rightly so. What would matter is the assessment of whether we can have a

more prosperous economy but also an equal society, that we can marry

natural resources and human resources and talents together in a

better way than Westminster control allows us to do. If we win that

argument, we win the referendum. One of the most vexed issues has been

the currency. You say quite rightly that the Scots have the power to

decide their own future in their own referendum. A poll this morning in

Scotland on Sunday suggests 60% of English voters don't want to go into

a currency union with an independent Scotland, don't they also have a

right to say no? That was a published poll from yesterday. If

you examine the question -- populist pal. If you examine the question I

have great sympathy for being less people trying to answer it. We are

not -- sympathy for the English people trying to answer it. We are

saying let's keep sterling, we're not asking them to move to a

different currency, just to keep the pound that we both have. It is

Scotland's pound as well as London's pound. It is a shared

currency and we think it is perfectly reasonable to say that

after independence, we can continue to share a currency for the bid has

been done before rather successfully to in Belgium and Luxembourg for

about 80 years -- between Belgium and Luxembourg. Does it not mean

that each side has to agree? The point I make is that the people in

the rest of the UK are not being asked to change their currency and

parliament would be well able to decide that. The point about keeping

the pound, it is not just in the interest of Scotland, we have been

outlining why we think it is in the joint interests of Scotland and the

rest of the UK. We have 100 days to go, many interesting and enjoyable

jousts, is this going to be your last hurrah? If you don't win, we

have another last hurrah? If you don't win, we

stay on? I thought you were going to say it would be my last appearance

on your programme! There will be plenty of opportunities. Lucky

Britain! Whatever happens, I will continue to serve the people of

Scotland in whatever capacity they choose for me to do so. We are

anticipating a yes vote on September 18, and the chance to take matters

into our own hands and to take charge of our own destiny in

Scotland. You won't come back yourself leading another referendum

campaign? I have said a number of times that my view on the referendum

and the Constitution, it is one's inability call generation -- once in

a political generation. This is the first Democratic consented

opportunity to vote for independence. People are talking

about it is the most important vote for 300 years, it is the first

aquatic vote on Scottish independence. It is a fantastic --

first democratic vote. It is a fantastic opportunity that we should

grasp with both hands. Thank you for joining us.

What message should Labour take from the recent European

Some in the party see UKIP's success as a big threat and are urging

Ed Miliband to send out a tougher message on immigration.

Others are warning him not to become a pale imitation of Nigel Farage.

The Shadow Home Secretary says Labour should be ready to

But what exactly would Labour do, if it gets into government?

Yvette Cooper is with me now - welcome. I must ask you about the

current front page row between Theresa May and Michael Gove. It is

very serious what has happened. It has been a very chaotic government

over something so important. There are concerns in the schools in

Birmingham and how over something so important. There

are concerns in the schools in you make sure it has been a balanced

education. There are problems in communities which prevent strategy.

Having gaps because of the department not working together.

First of all, in terms of the positions of the two ministers

involved, you know from your own experience in government it is not

entirely unique. I have never seen it on something so important which

has implications for national security. The Education Secretary

has apologised. The special adviser to the Home Secretary has resigned.

We have heard nothing from the Home Secretary. It looks pretty clear she

has breached the Ministerial Code. The response -- the Prime Minister

is responsible for enforcing the Ministerial Code. He needs to act

and make sure they are forcing these issues. What should Theresa May do

now? She needs to come out publicly and answer what she did to publish

this letter. The Ministerial Code says that ministerial correspondence

in Cabinet committee should not be published. She presumably must have

authorised that. Why has she not apologised and recognise that? There

are questions to answer. We need to recognise the more important issues

in terms of schools and communities are addressed. Do you think there is

a problem with Islamist propaganda being enforced and girls being full

to sit at the back of classrooms? Is it a real description of what is

going on? We need to look at the Ofsted report. It is about children

not getting a balanced education, not having a balanced curriculum.

The problem is the reforms from Michael Gove have made it harder to

have the kind of local oversight that you need to prevent problems

arising and make sure the curriculum is balanced. He did not investigate

this earlier that he has made it harder for local authorities as

well. It is not necessarily the case that handing it to the local

authority is the problem. Do you need to have a centralised attack on

the draining the swamp issue? I think you need a broad strategy to

prevent extremism. It is becoming particularly significant in Syria

and the Syrian conflict. Young people are potentially becoming

radicalised and returning. Is it more widespread than Birmingham?

More widely around communities. It is really important. You have gaps.

What Theresa May has done is to treat to a police -based approach.

Police work is really important, particularly when there is a concern

that someone is getting involved in violent extremism. You also need to

work closely with communities and support communities who want to take

a lead in tackling extremism, as many of them do. That work seems to

have stopped altogether. The departments are not resolving a

because they are too busy fighting each other. You took quite a

whacking from UKIP. There are lots of areas around the country where

labour is fighting UKIP quite hard. Do you think the party needs to

think again and come up with new messages? We did increase the number

of councillors. We won 300 more councillors. You are raising the

issue about UKIP. UKIP, I think, has been playing on people 's fears and

exploiting that. People do have legitimate concerns about

immigration. That is why we have said reforms are needed on

immigration, on things like stronger border controls. On the impact of

immigration, jobs and wages. I think the concern that people have most

seriously is that. Immigration over many years has brought great

benefits to Britain and is important for the future. White rapper you

announce these policies in the past before you got damaged by UKIP. --

you announced these policies in the past. You like we've found talking

about immigration rather than shouting about it does help stop we

have found talking about immigration. It is about stopping

dodgy employers and firms exploiting it. Getting rid of zero hours

contracts. If those are the answers, you would have done much better but

it is said you are failing old-fashioned communities, the

people the Labour Party was founded to protect. This is because of

unlimited migration within the European Union. Are you prepared to

do anything about this? What Rachel and Hazel and others have said is

the same as Ed Miliband has said. Working people are feeling left

behind. All I am asking is what she will do about it? Concerning Europe,

I do think rules should be made about introducing stronger

transitional controls for new countries arriving and also changes

to the rules around people who have committed crimes. You should not

have free movement for criminals. We have talked before about the impact

of employers and dodgy employers. Do not underestimate the importance.

Nobody is addressing this. UKIP 's policies would make it worse by

making it easier for employers to undercut local wages and jobs. If

that is not dealt with, we would see growing concern and UKIP would

continue to exploit it. We cannot imitate UKIP. We need to take them

on. Historically,

the head of the International Monetary Fund has always been

a figure of immense influence. With the election of Christine

Lagarde to the role of World Finance Minister, the Fund's first female

director has really made her mark. Last year, the IMF caused

a furore by accusing George Osborne of "playing with fire" by insisting

on austerity in the UK. When I met her there,

she told me why the IMF is now inclined to give Britain

a fairly clean bill of health. We do see the UK

economy as growing well. It is one of the highest growth rates of the

advanced economies at the moment. Added to which, that growth is

fuelled both by consumption but also now by investment. Not just public

investment, as we had recommended earlier on, but also with private

investment. Export is lagging behind a little bit. Those two big

cylinders of growth, if you will, consumption and investment, are

fuelling growth which, in our view, makes it more sustainable than if it

was fuelled exclusively by consumption as was feared a few

months back. So, that is a pretty sustainable and good position to be

in. But, there are obviously risks on the horizon. We see two

categories of risks - the domestic risks, the external risks. The

domestic risks are number one, relatively low productivity, which

might go away and I am happy to discuss that and the second is the

housing rising prices. You say rising prices, you do not think a

boom at this point or a bubble? No. What our team has clearly seen and

acknowledge is that the housing market in the UK is multifaceted.

The secondary risks are external risks. The Eurozone? The slow down

in emerging market economies. We read that you are a friend of

George Osborne. Has he taken you to one side and said, I am terribly

sorry. We accused you of playing with via a year ago. You were wrong

-- we were wrong and you were right. We said we had underestimated growth

for the UK. Our forecast had been proven wrong by the reality of

economy developments. Have you apologised to George Osborne for

what he said a year ago? He resisted very strongly, as she would. Did you

apologised to him for it? I completely acknowledged we

underestimated growth. Do I have to go on my knees and bend over

backwards? We underestimated it. We got it wrong. We acknowledged it. We

were not the only ones to get it wrong. We were in good company. Most

forecasters got it wrong. Clearly, the confidence building that has

resulted from the economic policies adopted by the Government has

surprised many of us. I promise this is not rich will media flagellation,

some people say, the British economy has some serious problems with its

fragility, too much consumer debt, too much boom aspects of the housing

market, exports are not strong enough, industrial investment is not

very good. You in danger of being too positive, just as you are too

negative last time? If the recovery had boosted essentially by

consumption, our take would have been different. The fact that it was

consumption led and now private investment is taking the baton of

that race for gross, I think is comforting and leads us to believe

it is much more sustainable going forward. You are right to mention

exports. Exports is sub Jude and could certainly be improved over

time. -- subdued. If productivity increases going forward, that should

help with exports. Overall, what you are saying sounds like an

endorsement of the chancellorship of George Osborne. We are not focusing

on endorsing one group or the other, taking sides if you will.

That is often what journalists would like to corner us over. It has been

under his watch and he has been quite steely in the face of

criticism in sticking to his course. We have to look at numbers. What

numbers are telling us is that growth is one of the strongest in

the advanced economies and seems to be sustainable based on its -- it

being too strong going forward. Inflation has been lowered. Getting

the financial sector healthier. We hope reforms will continue. I

personally hope there will be a strong emphasis on the change of

culture in that particular sector. Strengthen the institution is, well

resourced and totally independent is key to that happening. We believe

that is important. That is the overall landscape as we see it at

the moment and it is rather good. We are not back to where we were

pre-the crash? We have not recovered all the way. We are getting there.

The European Commission said there should be higher taxes in this

country to build more public investment and so forth. Do you

agree with that? The mixture between tax and spending cuts is something

that we regard as fairly balanced and the right mix, if you well. Do

you do not really agree with that? We do not see massive increased tax

as recommendable at the moment. I guess you are the most powerful

woman in the world. You have to be one of them. When you are in that

position, lots of people try to find two other jobs. People have asked if

you are interested in the top European job. I think the only

position that has not been debated for me at the moment is that can.

Queen of England, I do not think? I do not want to offend your who is on

the shores of my region, Normandy, at the moment. Look, I have a job! I

am not a candidate to any other position. I think it is a rather

important job at the moment. We are not done yet with the crisis. We

need to continue helping countries at the crisis. The IMF, I believe,

is a strong institution that needs continuity going forward. I intend

to participate in that. I can see this is very irritating to keep

being asked about it hit is very persistent. There is a disagreement

going on at the moment. Lots of people in London would love you to

be a candidate for the job. I you saying there is no chance for that

at all? It is very kind of them. I am flattered and honoured. I would

very much hope, being a European at heart, born in France and having

been brought up in Normandy, I would hope that everybody would spend as

much time on, what do we do with Europe? Where is it heading? That is

critical for the future. Rather than, what is he going to do? What

is he going to do? All the rest of it. What about the structures of

Europe at the moment. Is there a serious disconnect between the

people in Europe European elite? In many countries, we have seen the

revolt of anti-European parties, anti-Brussels parties. Is there a

serious problem to be addressed? Where I see the strongest connection

is when I talked to my children. They are in their mid-20s. They feel

very much French but they feel Europeans. Many of their friends are

going on in Rasmus programmes, moving from one country to the other

without border checking points for Europeans, using the same currency

when they are within the Eurozone. We regard that as a given, it is

granted. When I look at the 70th anniversary of D-Day, it was not

granted in those days. We should highly valued the journey that our

grandparents, parents have taken for us, and be a bit inventive about how

we build a future. At some point clearly you will leave the job. Do

you see a future with other French politics? I will be a happy

grandmother. You will retire and watch the waves in Normandy, will

you? From my hometown in Normandy. The head of the IMF,

Christine Lagarde. I'm joined by the Foreign Secretary,

William Hague - good morning. In terms of self-inflicted wounds,

the Theresa May and Michael Gove row is something of a belter. There has

been a disciplinary matter which the Prime Minister has dealt with in a

very clear way, there will be discipline within the government.

The main thing is the issue itself, tackling extremism in schools. Being

no doubt that the government will be very robust and clear about anything

that puts children in our schools at risk of extremism and at risk of

their safety and learning. The Home Secretary's special adviser has been

sacked because the Home Secretary's website revealed a statement

publicly. Surely the Home Secretary must have known and she should be

apologising? This has been looked into by the Cabinet Secretary.

Michael Gove has written his letters of apology. The Home Secretary

special adviser has indeed reside. That is clearly the appropriate

response to this investigation -- indeed resigned. We are talking

about ministers doing a fantastic job for this country. There has been

a disciplinary matter but this is the Home Secretary presiding over a

sustained reduction in crime... They are ministers taking answer of each

other. If Theresa May knew her department was leaking by that

information, surely she should have to apologise as well as Michael

Gove. What has happened is the product of the Cabinet Secretary's

investigation. After that the Prime Minister is clear that Michael Gove

should apologise and the necessary consequences would follow for the

Home Secretary's special adviser. That is the right thing to do, a

good Prime Minister making sure there is discipline in the

government, and David Cameron is equally timid to make sure this

challenge is dealt with. The Education Secretary will make a

statement tomorrow about the result of the Ofsted investigations --

David Cameron is equally determined to make sure. We will deal with this

very rigorously Indy. If this had happened in a school everybody would

be put on the naughty step. -- rigorously indeed. Is this a

shambles? Absolutely not. The issue has to be dealt with but seen in the

context of a Home Secretary bringing down crime, online Education

Secretary who is bringing about the most important changes and

improvements in decades, I don't think what has happened is going to

damage the overall record and achievements of the government. It

is clear that team discipline will be maintained. The Prime Minister is

meeting Angela Merkel and others tomorrow to talk about the junk

question. Can you stop Jean Claude Junker becoming President of the

European Commission? On the technical question of a veto, it is

decided by majority voting. It is important in our view that a range

of candidates are looked at. This is only one of the top jobs being

decided in the European Union. There are four or five such jobs. It is

very important there is a political balance, a geographic balance, it is

important there are women in the top jobs. After the severity of the

words that have been used, it would be a disaster for Britain if Mr

Junker got the job. The important thing is that the European Union is

focused on reform and change, it is not going to deliver what the people

of any European country needs if it carries on as business as usual. The

point the Prime Minister has been making is that the people chosen to

lead the commission, the council, have to be chosen with that in mind.

Up to now the Prime Minister has said Junker is not that kind of

person. If he wins the battle, you will kiss and make up and do a deal

with him? We will come with other governments, sort out who is going

to fulfil these positions. Most importantly, that the next European

Commission is one that delivers flexibility, democratic

accountability, freer trade with the west of the world -- rest of the

world. That is what matters rather than the personalities. That is what

we are focusing on. It includes having individuals that will push

that agenda. The connection is that the individuals will drive or not

drive. Do you have a candidate you would like to see get that job?

There are talented candidates around Europe. I am not going to set up a

candidate to embarrass a candidate today, who will then be attacked by

the media or other countries. We will keep our counsel, keep in close

touch with other countries, the Prime Minister will have further

discussions over the next few days. The important thing for us is the

trajectory of the European Union and our ability to deliver reform,

renegotiation... If you get the wrong people you will not be able to

negotiate what you need ahead of the referendum as promised. This is why

we need the right people. This is why we need the right people. This

it is what we want Europe to achieve and Britain to achieve, rather than

the personalities of the individuals. President Putin has

come over, do you think he is having second thoughts, starting to rein

back the dog is a bit in Ukraine? The test of that will be over the

coming days, will Russia stop allowing arms to go over the border,

people to go over the border into Ukraine who then join violent

supporters groups? We look to Russia to take action on that, the Prime

Minister made it clear to President Putin a few days ago. Do you see any

change question not There is some change in tone. President Putin had

a normal meeting with the new president of Ukraine and it is very

important that Russia and Ukraine discuss things together. We will

keep up this balance of pressure on Russia, including the possibility of

more wide-ranging sanctions and diplomacy with Russia. The

diplomatic doors are fully open. We were talking about the use of rape

in a -- as a weapon of war, Angelina Jolie will be at a summit with you.

It will be co-chaired by Angelina Jolie and me, it is like no other

summit. People can come, your viewers can come from Tuesday to

Thursday, they don't have to register in advance, there are 150

fringe meetings, people who want to join us in ending sexual violence in

conflict can comfort of this is the most important event in a two-year

campaign that Angelina Jolie I have been waging EU will hear about it

over the week. -- you will hear about it.

Now over to Sian for the news headlines.

The Shadow Home Secretary Yvette Cooper also told this programme that

she thinks Theresa May needs to come out publicly and explain what she

knew in advance about the publication of a letter at the

centre of a row with her Cabinet colleagues on the Michael Gove. --

Cabinet colleagues, Michael Gove. The First Minister of Scotland has

said he was "surprised" by President Obama's comments on the

Scottish Independence Referendum. Speaking earlier on this programme,

Alex Salmond said that if Scotland did become independent, "America

will have two allies, not one". Mr Salmond referred to

the referendum as a moment that comes along only

"once in a political generation". William Hague is still here,

and we've been joined again by Yvette Cooper.

You heard Christine Lagarde there, she thinks the British

economy is in pretty good shape now. She is endorsing the austerity

programme. Finally the economy is growing, thank goodness for that,

but too many people are not feeling it, too many people are being left

behind across the country. The IMF are right to one about some of the

concerns about the housing market, we have got to build more homes or

we will see an ongoing balance of power in the future. The whole world

admires what this country is doing. It is only the British Labour Party

that cannot see that. There are a lot of people across the country

that don't admire the fact that their cost of living has gone

backwards. In a moment,

we'll hear from Eddi Reader - she had a series of hits with

the band Fairground Attraction back in the 1980s and is now pursuing

a very successful solo career. She's headlining at the opening

concert for the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow next month, and her new

album, Vagabond, is out now. Eddi -

what are you going to play for us? It is a song about leaving home and

standing on your own two feet, it is called baby's boat.

We're back next week with the "Better Together" view from

Scotland, the gutsy American actress Kathleen Turner and much more.

But right now, as promised, Eddi Reader.

# Baby's boat. # A silver moon, sailing in the sky.

# Baby's fish. # For dreams.

# Fishing near and far for dreams. # Sale, baby, sale.

# Out upon the sea. # Only don't forget, sail back to

me. # Fish for dreams.

# You are fishing near and far. # Is like a silver moon.

# His bait a Silver Star. # Sale, baby, sale, out upon the

sea. # Only don't forget.

# Sail back to me. # Only don't forget.

# Sail back to me. # Only don't forget, sail back to

me. # Sail, baby, sail, out upon the

sea. # Only don't forget.