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And we are back after a summer in which, let's be honest,

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Labour in turmoil, Scottish independence

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on the agenda again, and, of course, here in London,

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a new Prime Minister starting to grapple with Brexit.

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A bigger, more complex task than any of her predecessors has

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In her first major interview since becoming Prime Minister, Theresa May

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talks about that challenge and makes it crystal clear there will be no

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general election until 2020. # Bend over let me see you shake a

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tail feather Ed Balls knock-about moves used to infuriate David

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Cameron. Week after week in the House of Commons for that now he

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hopes they will delight a nation on study come dancing. Are you quite

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sure about this? Among our paper abuse as a woman who's made

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headlines over the summer. Shami Chakrabarti, she did a major review

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on anti-Semitism for Jeremy Corbyn and was offered a place in the House

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of Lords by the same gentleman. She will tell us about that as she joins

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the conservative commentator Iain Martin and the Financial Times's US

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managing editor Gillian Tett to review the news in the papers and

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beyond. Or that plus Cillian Murphy from Peaky Blinders on his new

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thriller and playing a side, the godfathers of America, the Joe

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Kovacs. # Hey now... Tell me if there's something I should say... #

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Finding quiet corners in the air. But first, the news with Christian

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Fraser. Andrew, thank you very much. In the last few hours, Theresa May

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and Barack Obama have pledged the special relationship

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between the UK and the US will continue, despite Britain's

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decision to leave the EU. Standing side by side at the G20

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summit in China, the leaders But the Prime Minister has warned

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Britain should be prepared for tough times ahead in the wake

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of the Brexit vote. Our Diplomatic Correspondent James

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Landale is at the conference The first major summit for the Prime

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Minister. What are the things you have picked out? The Prime Minister

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came here and introduced herself to world leaders to try to reassure

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them that, despite Brexit, but it opened the business, it can be a

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dependable partner in the global stage. What we've seen this morning

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is an illustration of just how hard that could be. She met Barack Obama

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and he was pretty blunt and spoke of the turbulence which is followed

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Brexit, the potential adverse effects to UK US trade relations and

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made it very, very clear that when it came to trade deals, the USA

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would put a priority on the EU specific countries ahead of any deal

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with the UK, so not surprisingly, Theresa May made it clear both

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countries had to keep talking. The UK has always been a strong partner

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for the USA and that will remain the case. We have a thriving economic

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relationship, British businesses export twice as much to the USA than

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we do to the next largest market and the USA is the largest inward

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investor in Britain with total American investments providing more

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than 1 million jobs. We need to build on that strong foundation as

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the UK leaves the EU. We are both strong supporters of free trade and

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today we have discussed how to take forward consultations to ensure that

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the UK and the USA have the strongest possible trading

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relationship. In the meantime, tensions with a Chinese continue.

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The prime ministers will meet Li Keqiang and also the row over the

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delayed Hinkley point nuclear power plant for the Chinese want to invest

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billions into that and the whole thing is being delayed on the

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grounds they think of cost and security concerns but on the plane

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on the way over, she was asked if she trusted the Chinese and said

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simply, well, of course we have a relationship with them and we want

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to build on that relationship. We also want to build on other

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relationships, too, so a totally different tone to the previous

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government. OK, James, for the moment, thank you very much. James

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Landale there in Hangzhou. Enough local authority places

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to resettle 20,000 Syrian refugees The Home Secretary Amber Rudd said

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Britain was on track to deliver the promise made by David Cameron

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to find homes for the refugees A total of ?10 million has also been

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pledged for language tuition. Half a million people are expected

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to attend a service in Rome this morning when Mother Teresa will be

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made a saint. The nun, who devoted her life

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to helping the poor of India's She'll be canonised as Saint Teresa

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of Calcutta in a ceremony The special mass will be

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broadcast in the Indian city, The Sunday papers. The front pages,

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as usual. The Sunday Times, Theresa May flies into new Chinese security

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row. I will talk about that later with her. The Sunday express, the

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spies in Theresa May 's bedroom. The suggestion the Chinese have so many

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cameras in the bedrooms used by the incoming leaders, they will have to

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get undressed under the duvet to avoid exposing themselves to the

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gaze of all China. Keith Vaz, an important chair, one of the key

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select committees, he's been accused in a string of being involved with

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prostitutes and he has apparently resigned a taste for the time being

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from a job this morning. He's referred it to his lawyers but it is

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a huge story and I'm sure we'll talk a bit about that. Finally I think

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the most depressing headline of the Sunday Telegraph, modern life is

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killing children. It's all about cancer, and pollution but it seems

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pretty grim. I'm sure we could find more important things to talk about.

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Let's start off with a G20. A very important moment for the government

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and for Theresa May. It is, and she is back from a summer walking in the

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Swiss Alps. It's a very important moment because she's waited a long

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time for her debut on the international stage. It's the first

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summit after Brexit and you get a bit of an indication of how things

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might be different, that she's having bilaterals with the USA,

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China, Russia and India but no equivalent meetings with EU leaders,

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and that's an indication that which is foreign policy, she's looking in

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a different direction, she has to because of the vote. The big problem

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she has, the Hinkley point investment, because the Chinese are

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very keen on this and then building a new nuclear reactor from scratch

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at Bradwell. Her own private secretary Nick Timothy says he

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doesn't like the idea of a Communist country having eyes and ears inside

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our and existing system. It's extremely tricky but there something

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rather at report about this that she's at least taking her time and

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has not rushed into this. It's an indication of how her style will be

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quite different from David Cameron and George Osborne. You have more on

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this? The challenge she faces come on one hand they want trade

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relations with China and this is part of that whole reach towards the

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east but on the other hand, you have intelligence services warning

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repeatedly of the security issues. Today we have in the Sunday Mirror,

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the undercover Prime Minister talking about problems of the

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Chinese spying on the due 20 summit in Hangzhou. Sexy honey trap spies,

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G20 officials warned in the Sunday Telegraph, and there's the ability

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of the Chinese to essentially provide almost a new Cold War.

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Surely if you are Theresa May with her political background, one of the

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most successful long serving home secretaries, aren't you going to

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have an instinct to put security first? Even at times above trade in

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a calculation of this kind? If she says to the Chinese, we are pulling

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the plug on these nuclear power stations, that will be a humiliating

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moment for president Xi Jinping for them after all the work George

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Osborne was doing, getting to China and being nice to them for so long.

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I think she will be guided here by her understanding of what has turned

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to the intelligence sharing relationship. I think that will

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steer her towards Australia, the USA, Canada, and New Zealand.

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Obviously that comes with difficulties in terms of trade. She

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still wants to trade with China but her attitude to China will be very,

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very different than that of George Osborne particularly. The issue of

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cyber security is at the top of everybody's mind. It's not China

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only but of Russia as well, so it world. One of slightly odd moments,

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Shami, I did an interview with Theresa May and it appeared in the

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newspapers. She won't go for an election until 2020. Congratulations

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because this is the interview everybody is talking about today.

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She has said it would seem unequivocally armour we will watch

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it in a bit, there will be no snap election. It isn't a snap election

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if you say there will be one. Maybe, I don't know, circumstances could

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change in the future. With Brexit negotiations and so on. It's very

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much in her character as a politician to be stability first. A

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safe pair of hands. I'm not a showboat, she many times. I get on

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with the work. People are trusting in me at this moment. I will steady

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the ship. Even above personal interests. She is grappling with so

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much uncertainty right now and the business community is so worried

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about it. I think she's trying to indicate we will stay as we go, the

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one part of a timetable people to know about. They are very conscious

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of the parallel with what happened to Labour in 2007 and the mess.

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Gordon Brown addressing the nation. That was your game. Things went

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downhill for him after that. The mistake he made was to sacrifice and

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risk his strongest card. Theresa May's strongest card is she is a

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steadying the figure. You picked up a piece in the Observer suggesting

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she is not quite astonishing scenes. It's a great column talking about

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her vulnerabilities, and just reminding everyone really that every

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Prime Minister, almost every prime Mr, gets this honeymoon phase in

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which the polls look fantastic. The British are conditioned to giving

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new leader is a chance. -- Prime Minister. I think early on in a

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10-year, you very often see glimmers of what is going to do the men and I

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think if there is... He said gleefully. I think there is a

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tendency on the part of her and her team to a certain paranoia. That

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could turn into control freaks. To that end, it seems clear that they

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are attempting to run every single media request, interview, lunch

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request, which horrifies journalists, all being passed

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through number ten. The reality is, this is never ever going to work. If

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you want to be like the President Obama presidency. Every Gutmann

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tries to clamp down on lunches. The problem is this too many moving

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parts. Follow the ambitious people. You have been in the newspapers

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yourself, Shami, because you've accepted a seat in the House of

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Lords. Do you know what you're going to be yet? Shami Chakrabarti is

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still my name. You are a lady? The criticism is you did a job to Jeremy

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Corbyn looking at racism and anti-Semitism in the Labour Party

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and therefore, there was a perception of a clear

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conflict-of-interest. It's not been a summer of Love in the Labour Party

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or British politics, nor generally. Lots of blood has been slung about.

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It was transactional, etc. I wrote a whitewash? I did not. I know what

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it's like to be offered transactional favours by Prime

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Minister's. Not by Billy good leaders of the Labour Party. I wrote

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a report. Tell me more, but I don't think you will. I wrote a report to

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try to civilise the Labour Party and I get to completely succeed in that

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enterprise, but I stand by it. To be clear, you went off the period

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before you did the report? No. It was after the Brexit, after the

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report, as a resignation honours. Were there any discussions about

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going to the Lords before Brexit? Jeremy Corbyn is not a corrupt man

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and I am not a corrupt woman. Nothing remotely transactional about

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this. Another question is, why would you want to go to the House of Lords

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in the first place? You have a platform, national name, for the

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issues you care about, what it is about the House of Lords which is

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attractive? I thought there's lot which is an attractive about the

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House of Lords? It is our second legislative chamber and I feel our

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country is in probably the most difficult moments of my life time.

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And the lifetimes of lots of other people. If the second legislative

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chamber and there will be Brexit legislation going through that

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house, there will be issues about protecting people's rights and

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freedoms in this difficult moment. If I can do a little bit of

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something to help out, I will do my best. If I was Jeremy Corbyn,

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unlikely thought, I would say, Shami Chakrabarti, coming to the Shadow

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Cabinet, maybe as Shadow Justice Secretary or something. I think he

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has got a leadership election to win before anything like that. OK. Do

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you think this has damaged your reputation at all? When people sling

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mud at you it is designed to damage your reputation but I haven't done

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anything really in my working life and I do my best to make a

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difference. Let's move on to somebody who has a grim morning,

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Keith Vaz across two front pages. This is some kind of sting operation

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for that we don't absolutely know if he has resigned from his position as

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chair the committee. That's what the Mail on Sunday said that we have no

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independent confirmation of that. Kallis first of all why this is

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important story. Theit is a clear public interest because of his role

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in terms of the home affairs Select Committee. The subjects have been

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directly... Class A drugs... If it is suggested or proved that he has

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voted in a particular way that is in line with interests, that will be a

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problem. It's unclear whether he has resigned or not. I can see it's

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obviously very embarrassing and terrible for the family. He is a big

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public figure. It might be regarded by some people as distasteful but it

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certainly an old-fashioned Fleet Street operation, but the public

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interest defence is very clear in this case. And even the News of the

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World may get involved. Let's move to a more cheerful political story,

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it brought a smile to everybody's faces if not Ed Balls's wife, Yvette

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Cooper. A happy story, Ed Balls, Strictly Ed Balls. Wearing an

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amazing shirt! And moving on with his career, possibly reaching more

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people, new audiences than he has ever done before. He also has a book

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out, I know you will be talking to him. It's rather a good book. Maybe

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some people will watch Strictly and then read his book. Politicians seem

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to get blown at the system younger and younger, Ed Balls is a

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relatively young guy, he has made a lot of mistakes as the book shows

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but he has experience will stop want if he will come back into politics.

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We a which celebrates reinvention and learning from your mistakes and

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having a second chance? -- are we a culture which celebrates. It would

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be nice to see that changing, because we need some grey hairs,

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people with experience. Like us! Intensive vertical stories with a

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private aspects, Nicola Sturgess has given an interview... Sturgeon. Here

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is the true story. She cuts the core of the big issue which is that we

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have more women than ever before on the political stage globally and the

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question of how they handle the motherhood issue, their personal

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life, is critical post she has bravely come out and admitted she

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had a miscarriage a few years ago, she is not childless by choice,

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that's not only very useful in terms of opening the debate on this very

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painful issue that affects so many women but also raises the question

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of, if she had been a man who had to admit that he wanted children and

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wasn't able to, would he have at the same issues in public life? I

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suspect not. I salute her doing this and it shows she has the ability to

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both show leadership and connect with people. A very difficult time

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for her, I it happened a declaration in Ibrox, it could not have been

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more public and painful. Whatever your politics, you can't help but

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admire her as a role model... I've been on the debt should be inspired.

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-- a female leader. That great A number of Church of England clergy

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in same-sex marriages have called on bishops to do more to include gay

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people in the life of the Church. It comes just days after

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Bishop Nicholas Chamberlain said I think it had an impact beyond the

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tri- world of the city. It had an enormous cultural impact... How we

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value success, how we measure success, how we value the

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connection, people took the money and ran, I think it was a very

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significant cultural moment. You are going to join me later on, Shami

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Chakrabarti, but so to the weather. Over the past couple of days,

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it's as if a huge, stubby, divine finger has pressed

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the button marked autumn. So, as we start to enjoy cooler

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nights, are they here to stay or might there be

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an Indian Summer ahead? A bit early for an Indian summer but

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some significant changes on the way next week. Today it's been a lovely

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colour. To and on the whole, a better day, some sunshine around. A

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few showers, most of them very light and a lot of places will still be

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dry. Later on we could see Saint Dundry showers, slow-moving, crossed

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the northern half of Scotland. -- some thundery showers. A dry day

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then yesterday, the sunshine very hazy across the South and the

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south-west of Wales. From eastern areas out of the West will see rain

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coming in, this athletic influence continuing, a lot of cloud overnight

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so it shouldn't get too chilly. If you are hoping for rain in the

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eastern areas, you will probably not going to get it, this rain doesn't

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go very far. A bit of health, a lot cloud tomorrow, precious little

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sunshine but quite warm and muggy air we are getting so temperatures

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about 20. We change our wind direction next week, coming in from

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the continent, picking up the cloud, more sunshine, temperatures into the

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mid-20s, summer is set to return! When you watch Ed Balls,

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former Labour cabinet minister, strutting his stuff on Strictly,

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you either think, The man's got a sense of humour",

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or you think his mid-life crisis is At any rate, he's also written

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a really interesting book Shock and trauma is what your wife

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Yvette Cooper said. I hope it's not veering out of

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control but it was pretty traumatic watching that. I'm not sure if I was

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more traumatised by my dad moves, which looked more dad like than I

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expected all the pictures of me with all the sparkling celebrities, me

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looking at the guy who was going to serve them the drinks in a bow tie!

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You are more formally dressed than the rest but you're slimmed down

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dramatically. I'm expecting to slim down dramatically over the next few

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weeks. I could have decided to spend the next month and a half slimming

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and practising but that wouldn't be considered with the spirit of the

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show, you have to go in as you, which for me if slightly overweight

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and with no dancing ability at all and I'm hoping that Katya my partner

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will wreak a translation. My editor really wanted the ask, can you

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dance? I can line dance, with pensioners! I did once when I was

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20. I can sort of jive but it turns that they think it means wiggling

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your legs and I can't do that bit. My hips don't move in the way you

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need to for letting. Lots to learn. Maybe I will emerge from a chrysalis

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or it may turn out I was a slug all along! I am trying to get that image

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out of my head! The serious point is once you have been on one of these

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shows, it sticks in peoples minds and they can't not see it. I think

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of George Galloway in his green catsuit... I will never forget you

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in your leathers and chains dancing on a Friday night a few years back.

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I thought that might come back! This is something that is not easy to do

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as a serious politician and then go back into politics without being

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ripped forever. If I was trying to go back in the buttocks I don't

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think I would do something so far out of my comfort zone where clearly

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I get... It is good for people to see politicians are also human

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beings, they want to be back in politics, I would go back but I

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don't think I'm the answer. You have written an interesting book, which

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is very open about all sorts of things. The thing that interested me

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most is you give a long list of mistakes that you and others have

:24:45.:24:51.

made, about Brexit, all sorts of the political decisions and you ask the

:24:52.:24:54.

question, how could politicians avoid making so many mistakes? Is it

:24:55.:24:58.

because you always just talking between a small group of people and

:24:59.:25:05.

the UI in a consensual bubble? I read the book to my 27-year-old self

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to say, if you're preparing for politics, these are things to take

:25:10.:25:14.

on board. I also was writing my mother-in-law to say, this is why we

:25:15.:25:17.

do all this crazy stuff. The answer is, there is something which turns

:25:18.:25:24.

out to be a mistake but other things where you can see the mystic is

:25:25.:25:27.

happening and it takes leadership and strength to step in and solve

:25:28.:25:31.

it, and sometimes in politics that doesn't happen. I think Theresa May

:25:32.:25:35.

may be making a mistake at the moment, she has not defined her

:25:36.:25:40.

position on Brexit, she's allowing expectation of an early move on

:25:41.:25:47.

Article 50, she has Johnson, Box, Davis, in different directions, it

:25:48.:25:50.

feels like a car crash. I think she has to do it quickly, maybe she will

:25:51.:25:54.

in your interview but if the scripts for a month or two, it feels like

:25:55.:25:57.

one of those mistakes which need to be sold now rather than allowed to

:25:58.:26:04.

drift along. One of the things you say in the book is that cabinets are

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really boring, not much happens, a dreary time of the week. Is it that

:26:10.:26:13.

politicians could allow themselves to be challenged hard enough on

:26:14.:26:16.

their ideas when they are in the job? Honour to be in the Cabinet and

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you do feel you are in a privileged position around the table. There are

:26:23.:26:29.

moments of crisis where it is hugely important but often felt like the

:26:30.:26:32.

biggest issue of the day wasn't the thing being discussed on that

:26:33.:26:36.

agenda, that was happening outside of the Cabinet room. If you wanted

:26:37.:26:40.

to build a consensus or solve a problem, that tended to happen

:26:41.:26:45.

outside the meeting. It may be hard in modern politics to go through the

:26:46.:26:48.

hardest issues in a meeting but I think it's a good thing if you can

:26:49.:26:52.

have that discussion and in my experience, I am not sure that has

:26:53.:26:57.

happened in Cabinet government for a while. In the late 60s Wilson was

:26:58.:27:04.

having votes in his Cabinet... You are very tough on Jeremy Corbyn in

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this book and pretty tough on Ed Miliband as well. You put them

:27:08.:27:12.

together in one sentence as left-wingers who fought the Labour

:27:13.:27:15.

Party could win by being further and further to the left. Wasn't the

:27:16.:27:19.

great mistake from the point of view of people in your position, the

:27:20.:27:21.

three current membership and changing the rules to allow the

:27:22.:27:25.

Labour Party this huge new left-wing membership, that was on your watch

:27:26.:27:31.

and Ed Miliband's, and that has changed the Labour Party and in the

:27:32.:27:37.

view of some, destroyed it. The irony is that the pressure for a ?3

:27:38.:27:40.

mentorship wasn't coming from the left, it was coming from the right,

:27:41.:27:47.

supporters of Tony Blair thought those people would shift things

:27:48.:27:50.

towards the centre ground. And actually that reform was backed by

:27:51.:27:55.

people who supported Ed Miliband and David Miliband. In retrospect it was

:27:56.:28:00.

a catastrophic mistake. The level of unexpected consequences. Did you see

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it coming? I said to Ed Miliband I was worried about these changes but

:28:06.:28:08.

prices had gone on which people like me were not involved in, we were

:28:09.:28:13.

told this was necessary, I didn't foresee how bad it would be but a

:28:14.:28:16.

new enough about labour history to be worried and the outcome has been

:28:17.:28:22.

much worse than I expected. This has allowed lots and lots of blood to

:28:23.:28:26.

begin the poor who are idealistic, have a view about changing politics

:28:27.:28:30.

dramatically, to come in and play inside the system -- lots of young

:28:31.:28:35.

people. Jeremy has put in lots of new numbers, which is a good thing,

:28:36.:28:39.

but if the consequence was that Labour was winning the argument and

:28:40.:28:43.

was leading in the polls, I would have to praise it. But that isn't

:28:44.:28:48.

how things are turning out. And what I see is too many times, when people

:28:49.:28:52.

say this isn't working, we're not going to appeal the centre ground

:28:53.:28:56.

voters, what happens is you get attacked as a neoliberal or a Tory.

:28:57.:29:04.

I was in labour for 20 years, I'm not a Tory, I just don't agree with

:29:05.:29:07.

some of the things Jeremy Corbyn advocates. Let's play a thought

:29:08.:29:14.

experiment. Jeremy Corbyn wins again, wins big, stays as Labour

:29:15.:29:17.

leader, let's assume that you are someone you know is in the House of

:29:18.:29:21.

Commons still, how do you behave? You could say, it's over, he has won

:29:22.:29:27.

both the elections, it's time to end the feud, come back into the Shadow

:29:28.:29:30.

Cabinet couldn't fight it and try and make it work. Or sit on the

:29:31.:29:36.

backbenches and sulk for four years, wait to be deselected or try and set

:29:37.:29:41.

up a new party. Because there is the left, there was the Conservative

:29:42.:29:44.

Party, and a lot of people think there is a huge gap in the middle.

:29:45.:29:49.

The country is crying out for a serious opposition to take on

:29:50.:29:52.

Theresa May, there is no doubt about that. I am voting for Owen Smith

:29:53.:29:57.

individual election but the result will be the result, it has to be

:29:58.:29:59.

accepted. Would you say to Labour people in

:30:00.:30:06.

the House of Commons to come back into the Shadow copied it and make

:30:07.:30:10.

it work? It is clear there is a fundamental problem in the

:30:11.:30:13.

relationship between Jeremy Corbyn and the Parliamentary Labour Party.

:30:14.:30:16.

I think it's likely the Parliamentary Labour Party will want

:30:17.:30:20.

to have elections for the Shadow Cabinet but I absolutely think

:30:21.:30:23.

senior people need to stand for election and serve as part of the

:30:24.:30:26.

Labour opposition. The third option you rate was the idea of a split for

:30:27.:30:29.

that I think that would be a catastrophe for Labour. We have a

:30:30.:30:34.

long history, tradition, values. Whether it's about fighting a case

:30:35.:30:46.

in Europe, or as an individual politician, walking away from the

:30:47.:30:48.

table is never a good idea. You should stay and fight for what you

:30:49.:30:51.

believe in and it's really hard and we need a tough opposition and a

:30:52.:30:53.

good opposition. My colleagues need to stay in and do their bit to make

:30:54.:30:56.

sure at the next election, Labour can appeal to centre ground voters

:30:57.:30:59.

and say, trust us, not the Conservatives. Much more to talk

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about. For now, thank you very much indeed.

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The assassination of the SS leader Heydrich in 1942 shook Hitler's high

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command to its core and caused vicious Nazi reprisals

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Anthropoid, a film named after the Operation to kill

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The Butcher of Prague, opens this week.

:31:13.:31:15.

The star of Peaky Blinders, Cillian Murphy, plays a Czech

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soldier parachuted back into his occupied homeland.

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He soon finds that it's not just the Germans he's up

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How much did the Germans pay you for turning

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Czechoslovakia as it was at the time was occupied by the Third Reich.

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This was this very, very daring operation to assassinate Heydrick,

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who was the most senior Nazi ever to be assassinated.

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It's clearly a heroic story but you could argue

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it was a disaster really for all concerned because of the huge

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reprisal killings the Germans carried out and also the fact

:32:35.:32:38.

the Czech government showed the fighting spirit didn't matter

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because the Russians took over in due course.

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And I think those are the kinds of moral questions the characters

:32:43.:32:48.

are faced with and I think it's the moral questions

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every sort of resistance movement is faced with.

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What are the repercussions of what you're doing?

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That's quite interesting to play as an actor, because the last sort

:32:58.:33:00.

of act of this film, they are living with this guilt.

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They know Ledice has been wiped off the face of the earth.

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Innocent women and children have been killed.

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It's kind of fascinating to play that.

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They dont have the benefit of history to look back and realise

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arguably it changed the course of the Second World War.

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The moral dilemmas take you straight to Tommy Shelby and again,

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very interesting character because he so damaged

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One thing I've noted about the series is,

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as it goes on, women take control back hour by hour.

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It's very, very macho, all the violence and torture

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and bloodshed, but it's also mildly feminist in its underlying message.

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Helen McCrory's character as an example is

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She's definitely the only one Tommy really trusts, certainly

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Yet, in terms of the damaged men, I guess I'm kind of attracted

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to playing those kinds of characters but to me there is some sort

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of truth in that because these men historically were just spat back

:34:15.:34:17.

into society after the First World War.

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They were shellshocked, but it was something you just kind

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Everybody expressed it in a different way.

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Whoever it is up there he gave the wrong name.

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We asked him the name and he gave the wrong one.

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It's a fascinating foundation from which to take a character.

:34:47.:34:50.

It's quite a bold and experimental drama and has been hugely successful

:34:51.:34:58.

and it's recently been argued British TV and particularly

:34:59.:35:02.

the BBC has been a bit safe as television.

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I can only speak from my own experience.

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I think with Peaky Blinders, we have tried to compete

:35:10.:35:12.

with the great American shows and I think that,

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in terms of the production design and the quality of the actors,

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the quality of the writing, we certainly can compete.

:35:23.:35:25.

I think it's important that British television desk keep pushing

:35:26.:35:27.

the envelope a little bit for them it's great that this series has been

:35:28.:35:31.

You got to give things time to evolve and develop, you know,

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I think certainly if you look back at this series, I think the third

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compared to the first has been a big revolution and that taken bravery.

:35:44.:35:47.

Cillian, thanks very much for talking to us.

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Now, we'll hear from the Prime Minister in a moment but first,

:35:49.:35:59.

let's find out what's happening after this programme.

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Good morning. It's the biggest industrial action in NHS history but

:36:03.:36:09.

should doctors even have the right to go on strike? Amid calls for

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button to take on more migrants, will assess what our responsibility

:36:13.:36:17.

really is. And bestselling crime writer Val McDermott tells us about

:36:18.:36:20.

her dark side. Join us at ten o'clock. Self-deprecatingly, no

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mention at all odds to become dancing where she did really well.

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-- of Strictly Come Dancing. Theresa May is today at the G20

:36:30.:36:31.

in China hob-knobbing On Friday, however, she invited us

:36:32.:36:34.

to her Maidenhead constituency to give her first impressions

:36:35.:36:37.

of the task facing the Government as it

:36:38.:36:39.

unwinds its relationships I started by asking about that

:36:40.:36:41.

striking speech she gave outside Downing Street,

:36:42.:36:44.

when she first became Prime Minister promising to take action

:36:45.:36:46.

against burning injustices around Frankly, I wanted to

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know, did she mean it? Well, I want to see a country that

:36:49.:37:00.

works for everyone, Andrew, and that's what's going to be the

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driving force of my government and that is looking at, a society which

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works for everyone, an economy which works for everyone, looking across

:37:09.:37:12.

the border issues like schools, hospitals, and opportunities to

:37:13.:37:16.

ensure that people can actually get on and take those opportunities

:37:17.:37:19.

regardless of their background and it's about their talents and their

:37:20.:37:22.

willingness to work. In concrete terms, a lot of people on your side

:37:23.:37:27.

of politics who would say that, in terms of education, grammar schools

:37:28.:37:31.

are the way forward. You went to a grammar school and it became a

:37:32.:37:34.

comprehensive. Lots of people like you got to the top by going to

:37:35.:37:37.

grammar schools for them are you prepared to allow more grammar

:37:38.:37:41.

schools to open an existing rammer schools to expand? With schools I

:37:42.:37:45.

want to build on the success of the six years under David Cameron 's

:37:46.:37:49.

premiership when we have now seen more children in good and

:37:50.:37:52.

outstanding schools but there are still more to be done. There are

:37:53.:37:56.

still parents who feel their children are not getting the

:37:57.:37:58.

opportunities they want them to have because of what happens at the local

:37:59.:38:02.

school so I want to make sure that children have those opportunities,

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all schools offer a good education for children. Not quite an answer to

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my question about grammar schools, though. Justine Greening said you

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would look at these issues, which she is doing, so we will look at the

:38:15.:38:17.

work she's doing, but the abiding theme I want to ensure is there is

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that of giving opportunity to young people. Ensuring that whatever

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school anybody goes to, wherever they are, whatever part of the

:38:27.:38:30.

country, they are able to ensure they get a good quality of

:38:31.:38:33.

education, which gives them the opportunities to get on in life.

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Would you like to see at the end of the first Theresa May administration

:38:39.:38:41.

more grammar schools open than there are now? What I would like to see is

:38:42.:38:46.

ensuring an education system, regardless of where people are,

:38:47.:38:50.

regardless of the school they go to, ensuring they get the quality of

:38:51.:38:54.

education that enables them to take on those opportunities because when

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I talk about a country that works for everyone, it's about ensuring

:38:58.:39:01.

that whatever peoples talents, it's about how far those talents can take

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them but also about government ensuring that those jobs and

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opportunities are there for everybody and I think that there are

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sadly some people in the country who do feel that actually benefits of

:39:12.:39:16.

what's happened over the last few years have gone to other people and

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not to them. It's ensuring that it is that government and country that

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works for everyone. If you're going to operate on the basis of people at

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the bottom of the heap, why to water down the obesity strategy where

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there was a very, very carefully worked out complicated thought

:39:34.:39:36.

through strategy to help the problem of obesity which particularly

:39:37.:39:39.

affects poorer people and it was dismantled the last moment? What we

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have come forward is an obesity strategy which I think will work and

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will have an impact on people through the work we will be doing in

:39:50.:39:53.

terms of reductions of sugar and so forth. There is an issue here I

:39:54.:39:58.

think which is first of all, you say we want to help those at the bottom

:39:59.:40:05.

of society. But I also want to help, as I said on the steps of Downing

:40:06.:40:10.

Street, those people who are perhaps in work but for whom life is still a

:40:11.:40:14.

struggle. I think it's often those people who feel that they have been

:40:15.:40:17.

particularly left behind. If it's not to be more than warm words, you

:40:18.:40:23.

have to take on some of the big interests and did seem you sided

:40:24.:40:27.

with big food companies at the advertisers rather than the medical

:40:28.:40:31.

people and the lobbyists on the obesity issue. I've been clear and

:40:32.:40:33.

not afraid to take on the big interests. When I spoke in

:40:34.:40:37.

Birmingham at the start of what was going to be the national leadership

:40:38.:40:41.

campaign, of course things turned out a little differently, I spoke

:40:42.:40:45.

about the importance of actually dealing with irresponsible behaviour

:40:46.:40:48.

in companies, so, as you would have seen in my time as Home Secretary,

:40:49.:40:52.

I'm not afraid to take on big interests when I think it's the

:40:53.:40:57.

right thing to do. You've already mentioned Brexit. It means Brexit,

:40:58.:41:03.

you said, but what does Brexit mean? It's about coming out of the

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European Union at its simplest, listening to the British people, the

:41:07.:41:09.

only party now who is actually saying we are prepared to accept the

:41:10.:41:13.

vote that people gave and we have listened to people and we will now

:41:14.:41:17.

make a success of that. Obviously there was going to be a period of

:41:18.:41:20.

negotiations. What I'm very clear about particular and this is a

:41:21.:41:23.

message I will be taking to the G20 in China, is that this is not about

:41:24.:41:30.

the UK suddenly wanting to be inward looking. Actually, we will continue

:41:31.:41:34.

to be bold and outward looking, we want to forge new deals, be an

:41:35.:41:38.

independent Britain, forging our own way in the world. At Chequers, you

:41:39.:41:43.

made it clear, as far as you are concerned, part of Brexit is strict

:41:44.:41:47.

controls on immigration. Will your success as Home Secretary, if she's

:41:48.:41:51.

in the job in five years' time, be able, if she chooses, to say no

:41:52.:41:56.

immigration at all or only a dribble from the EU? What leaving the

:41:57.:42:00.

European Union does enable us to do is to say what I think the British

:42:01.:42:05.

people were very clear about, they don't want free movement continuing

:42:06.:42:09.

the way it has done in the past. They do want to see controls of

:42:10.:42:13.

movement of people coming in from the European Union but people also

:42:14.:42:17.

want to see the job opportunities, to see the economic opportunities,

:42:18.:42:22.

so getting a good deal in trade and goods and services, is also

:42:23.:42:26.

obviously important for us. This is the problem for them as Philip

:42:27.:42:29.

Hammond has said, it's very important to get access to European

:42:30.:42:33.

markets, particularly the banking sector, the finance sector but many

:42:34.:42:36.

others as well. You may have to do trades in terms of the amount of

:42:37.:42:40.

people you allow in from the EU, it may not quite be an end to free

:42:41.:42:44.

movement of people if you want full access to those markets? Are you

:42:45.:42:48.

prepared to do those trades? We need to take some time to prepare the

:42:49.:42:52.

position we want to take as the UK, that's why I said we won't trigger

:42:53.:42:58.

article 50, which starts the former negotiation process with the EU

:42:59.:43:02.

before the end of this year. So we are taking that time, David Davis is

:43:03.:43:07.

the Secretary of State. He will make a statement to Parliament this week

:43:08.:43:10.

about the work that the government has been doing over the summer. And

:43:11.:43:14.

how we will take that forward in shaping the sort of relationship we

:43:15.:43:22.

want with the EU. It's a matter of huge importance to people when

:43:23.:43:27.

Article 50 is triggered because the clock starts ticking. Next year,

:43:28.:43:32.

will it have been triggered by then? I don't think it should be triggered

:43:33.:43:35.

before the end of the air because we need to have a period of

:43:36.:43:38.

preparation. I think it's actually good for the European Union that

:43:39.:43:42.

they are also able to have that period of preparation so that when

:43:43.:43:46.

we start the process of negotiations, the process I think

:43:47.:43:50.

will be smoother and we can ensure that there is as little disruption

:43:51.:43:54.

as possible. But I'm very clear also that the British people don't wonder

:43:55.:43:58.

the issue of article 50 being triggered just being kicked into the

:43:59.:44:01.

long grass. Should we have access to the single European market? What I

:44:02.:44:06.

want to see is the best possible deal for the UK in trade, goods and

:44:07.:44:11.

services. I don't want to adopt a particular model and people use

:44:12.:44:16.

phrases about access to the market, about customs unions and so forth,

:44:17.:44:21.

but I prefer to look at it and say let's work out what the best deal

:44:22.:44:24.

for us would be in trade in goods and services and then let the

:44:25.:44:27.

ambitious and go out there and fight for it. As you head off to the G20

:44:28.:44:31.

20s, everybody wants to hear more about Brexit and how it's going but

:44:32.:44:35.

you leave with economic figures which could hardly be better,

:44:36.:44:39.

employment is right up, consumer confidence is very strong indeed and

:44:40.:44:43.

we had some excellent manufacturing index figures. That suggests all

:44:44.:44:46.

those people who said Brexit would put a bomb under the British

:44:47.:44:53.

economy, a DIY bomb, all of that was scaremongering? We have had some

:44:54.:44:59.

good figures and better figures than some had predicted would be the

:45:00.:45:04.

case. But what is important for us now is that we maintain that policy

:45:05.:45:09.

of ensuring economic stability and a strong economy for the future and

:45:10.:45:13.

part about is going to be, as we come out of the European Union,

:45:14.:45:15.

ensuring we have trade deals around the world. I want the UK to be a

:45:16.:45:19.

global leader in free trade and one of the things I will be doing at the

:45:20.:45:24.

20 is emphasising the role that we will be playing in the world but

:45:25.:45:27.

also in a number of discussions I will be having with President Obama,

:45:28.:45:35.

for example,... We will be talking about how we can start to scope out

:45:36.:45:40.

what is a trade deal and negotiations on trade deals and what

:45:41.:45:43.

they will be like so when the time comes to sign those deals, real do

:45:44.:45:44.

our best. All those warnings about a bomb

:45:45.:45:53.

under the British economy appeared to be completely wrong at the moment

:45:54.:45:57.

or do you think it's too early to tell and there are dangers ahead?

:45:58.:46:02.

I'm not going to pretend it's all going to be plain sailing, we must

:46:03.:46:05.

be prepared for the fact there may be difficult times ahead. But I'm

:46:06.:46:09.

optimistic. This was the message that came from the Cabinet when we

:46:10.:46:13.

were sitting around the table this week and talking about these things,

:46:14.:46:18.

it's the same message I've had from businesses, and optimism about the

:46:19.:46:21.

future, the opportunities that are now open to the UK. An independent

:46:22.:46:26.

Britain, forging her own way in the world. He used the word British but

:46:27.:46:31.

you also said soon after he became Prime Minister that they water this

:46:32.:46:35.

to be an all United Kingdom thing and you wanted the Scots to be happy

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and satisfied way things are going and the way negotiations were going

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before you triggered Article 50, is that still the case? What I've said

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to Nicola Sturgeon is I want them to be fully involved and engaged in

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discussions about the position the UK is going to take on the other

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devolved administrations as well. The people of the UK took a decision

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to leave the European Union. I want to make a success of it although I

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will say to the people in Scotland that I want to ensure that is a

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successful people in Scotland. What I'm trying to get to is Scotland has

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very different views about some of these issues, there as much as worry

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about immigration among Scots and certainly the Scottish Government.

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Will they have a proper input into that process, will she be

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influential in the Brexit negotiations? I want them and the

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other devolved over the stations to be engaged with this as we determine

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the position the UK takes. -- devolved ministrations. The people

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of the UK took a view that we should leave the EU, we should try and say,

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let's have a second vote... No second referendum. We could say, we

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wish it hadn't happened so we get to try and wish it away. What I'm

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saying, what the Conservative Party is saying, the only party saying

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this is, we respect the wishes of the British people. The British

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people want us to leave the European Union and that's what we will do. In

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Scotland there is a feeling that we in Scotland voted to stay, we didn't

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vote the same way as England and we would like to stay inside the EU.

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That in itself is triggering pressure for a second Scottish

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independence referendum. If that came about would you prevent the

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second referendum happening? I think it's a question of whether there

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should be, there was a vote in 2014... But there has been a

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maternal changed since then. There has been about the UK that it wants

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to come out of the European Union, Scotland wasn't the only part of the

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UK that voted overall to Remain, but the overall view of the UK and the

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public was to come out of the European Union. Some people might

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say, let's row back on that, find a way out of that, but a decision was

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taken, the job now is to get on with it. A lot of people watching and not

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only in Scotland want to know whether, if there are proposals for

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a second Scottish independence referendum quite soon, Theresa May

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as Prime Minister of the UK will say, I am not going to let that

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happen. I think it's whether question of whether there should be.

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If you look at some of the results now coming out of polling in

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Scotland, they suggest the Scottish people don't want a second

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referendum. Let me move on to the position of people living and

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working and contributing to this economy, there are millions of them,

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many of them watching, they are very worried about their own personal

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futures. Some of them are already going home, people in top jobs,

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universities, returning to the continent because they have not

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heard any reassuring words, particularly from you. Can you give

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them some reassurance now? As long as we're still in the EU, then the

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position of people born in other EU countries and living in the UK

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doesn't change. Their status remains the same stop I want to be able to

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guarantee their status for the future, I expect to be able to

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guarantee their status for the future but the only circumstances in

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which that wouldn't be possible would be if the status of British

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citizens living in other European Union countries was not guaranteed.

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Do you feel that could happen? It's important that we are clear that I

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expect the status of British citizens in other EU countries to be

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going to need as I expect to be able to guarantee the status of EU

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citizens living here. We've talked about a possible Scottish referendum

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and the timing of Article 50 and so on, then you're asking about the

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next general election. If you look at the polling, and a lot of people

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in your party are excited about this, if you went to the country

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now, you would get a huge majority, that seems a wonderful opportunity

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for you. Are you tempted to call a snap election? I think what's

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important, having had the referendum vote, is that we have a period of

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stability. There is a challenge ahead in ensuring that we make a

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success of coming out of the European Union and it's important we

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focus on that and the other reform agenda that I have for the country

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as we go forward. We will be continuing the manifesto on which

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the Conservative government was elected in 2015, so I don't think

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there is a need for an election, the next election will be Twenty20.

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Under current law, the next election will be then, no ifs, no buts, no

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snap election, is that absolutely certain, we're not going to see an

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election before then? I am not going to be calling a snap election, I

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have been clear that we need a period of time, that stability to

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deal with the issues the country is facing and have the election in the

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year 2020. You would be meeting the Chinese, if you full the plug on

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Hinckley committee will cause enormous offence and the personal

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humiliation for the Chinese president, are you going to do that?

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It's about how I approach these things, don't just come in and say,

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this is the decision I take my look at the evidence, take the advice,

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listen to that, that's what I am doing, there will be bit edition in

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September. One of your senior advisers Nick Timothy said he was

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worried about security in of the commonest country having its hands

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on the windpipe of our nuclear industry. -- communist country. They

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could close down our electricity supply, do you share those worries

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about China having a strategic plate at the centre of our nuclear

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industry? I am looking at this decision, across the board at the

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various aspects and looking at the various aspects... Then we will come

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to a view as a result of the work I'm doing, I said in September, and

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as Home Secretary in the past and Prime Minister now, national

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security is a key issue for us but in terms of that individual

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decision, I will be looking at all aspects and come to a decision in

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September. It would be something to have a communist country in control

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of our nuclear industry, they want to build their own station as well,

:53:36.:53:40.

this is a big strategic position. And yet if they are offended by the

:53:41.:53:44.

way we approach this, we are cutting off our noses and spiking with our

:53:45.:53:48.

really important partners in the future, post-Brexit. You're trying

:53:49.:53:52.

to get me to give an indication about my decision, which I'm not

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going to do. The way I work is to assemble the evidence, that

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carefully and then come to a decision and that's the process I am

:54:05.:54:05.

going through. Thank you. Well, after 17 minutes

:54:06.:54:08.

from our Tory PM, I'm rejoined by two people who,

:54:09.:54:11.

just about, remain Can the party reunite after the

:54:12.:54:31.

election? Absolutely full stop on one of hundreds of thousands of

:54:32.:54:34.

people who have joined the party in recent months and I've done that for

:54:35.:54:39.

a reason, because it's a great part with a great history and a great

:54:40.:54:43.

future and as Ed said in his interview, which I took some heart

:54:44.:54:46.

from, this country needs an opposition and a Labour government

:54:47.:54:51.

very soon. Do you both think there can be a conciliation period after

:54:52.:54:56.

the election, even if it's Jeremy Corbyn, you could come back into the

:54:57.:54:59.

Shadow Cabinet, work together, bury the hatchet? I hope so. It's too

:55:00.:55:05.

important to stop this isn't a private members club the dealing

:55:06.:55:09.

with grievances again and again. Let the membership have the election and

:55:10.:55:15.

let there be a healing. It's important to say, they don't support

:55:16.:55:19.

Jeremy Corbyn, doesn't make you a Tory or a neoliberal, it may be that

:55:20.:55:23.

we just disagree but what we had to agree on is the purpose. We are not

:55:24.:55:28.

a permanent party of opposition. We shouldn't feel good about the fact

:55:29.:55:32.

we agree with each other in a room of 1001 what matters is the voters

:55:33.:55:36.

at the ballot box, we have to be a party of government. It takes two to

:55:37.:55:41.

tango, we have got to be a proper opposition which wants to win power.

:55:42.:55:46.

In our earlier conversation I asked you whether you had a concession at

:55:47.:55:50.

that Jeremy Corbyn before you were asked to do the enquiry and use it,

:55:51.:55:53.

I am not corrupt and he is not corrupt, which I'm sure is true but

:55:54.:56:00.

it wasn't quite an answer. Let me give you the clearest answer I can.

:56:01.:56:03.

I joined the Labour Party because they wanted to be part of its

:56:04.:56:08.

future. I did my report into racism and anti-Semitism would no

:56:09.:56:11.

inducement, no office, no threats, no interference. Did you discuss the

:56:12.:56:18.

arrangement before? No, but he offered it to me knowing I am a

:56:19.:56:20.

Labour person and I want to help. Join me again at the earlier time

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of 8.30am next Sunday. For one week only, that's a half

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