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And we are back after a summer in which, let's be honest, | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
Labour in turmoil, Scottish independence | :00:07. | :00:10. | |
on the agenda again, and, of course, here in London, | :00:11. | :00:12. | |
a new Prime Minister starting to grapple with Brexit. | :00:13. | :00:17. | |
A bigger, more complex task than any of her predecessors has | :00:18. | :00:20. | |
In her first major interview since becoming Prime Minister, Theresa May | :00:21. | :00:49. | |
talks about that challenge and makes it crystal clear there will be no | :00:50. | :00:51. | |
general election until 2020. # Bend over let me see you shake a | :00:52. | :01:14. | |
tail feather Ed Balls knock-about moves used to infuriate David | :01:15. | :01:18. | |
Cameron. Week after week in the House of Commons for that now he | :01:19. | :01:23. | |
hopes they will delight a nation on study come dancing. Are you quite | :01:24. | :01:27. | |
sure about this? Among our paper abuse as a woman who's made | :01:28. | :01:33. | |
headlines over the summer. Shami Chakrabarti, she did a major review | :01:34. | :01:36. | |
on anti-Semitism for Jeremy Corbyn and was offered a place in the House | :01:37. | :01:39. | |
of Lords by the same gentleman. She will tell us about that as she joins | :01:40. | :01:44. | |
the conservative commentator Iain Martin and the Financial Times's US | :01:45. | :01:48. | |
managing editor Gillian Tett to review the news in the papers and | :01:49. | :01:57. | |
beyond. Or that plus Cillian Murphy from Peaky Blinders on his new | :01:58. | :02:00. | |
thriller and playing a side, the godfathers of America, the Joe | :02:01. | :02:09. | |
Kovacs. # Hey now... Tell me if there's something I should say... # | :02:10. | :02:20. | |
Finding quiet corners in the air. But first, the news with Christian | :02:21. | :02:21. | |
Fraser. Andrew, thank you very much. In the last few hours, Theresa May | :02:22. | :02:25. | |
and Barack Obama have pledged the special relationship | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
between the UK and the US will continue, despite Britain's | :02:29. | :02:30. | |
decision to leave the EU. Standing side by side at the G20 | :02:31. | :02:32. | |
summit in China, the leaders But the Prime Minister has warned | :02:33. | :02:35. | |
Britain should be prepared for tough times ahead in the wake | :02:36. | :02:39. | |
of the Brexit vote. Our Diplomatic Correspondent James | :02:40. | :02:42. | |
Landale is at the conference The first major summit for the Prime | :02:43. | :02:53. | |
Minister. What are the things you have picked out? The Prime Minister | :02:54. | :02:59. | |
came here and introduced herself to world leaders to try to reassure | :03:00. | :03:03. | |
them that, despite Brexit, but it opened the business, it can be a | :03:04. | :03:06. | |
dependable partner in the global stage. What we've seen this morning | :03:07. | :03:09. | |
is an illustration of just how hard that could be. She met Barack Obama | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
and he was pretty blunt and spoke of the turbulence which is followed | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
Brexit, the potential adverse effects to UK US trade relations and | :03:20. | :03:23. | |
made it very, very clear that when it came to trade deals, the USA | :03:24. | :03:28. | |
would put a priority on the EU specific countries ahead of any deal | :03:29. | :03:31. | |
with the UK, so not surprisingly, Theresa May made it clear both | :03:32. | :03:36. | |
countries had to keep talking. The UK has always been a strong partner | :03:37. | :03:40. | |
for the USA and that will remain the case. We have a thriving economic | :03:41. | :03:43. | |
relationship, British businesses export twice as much to the USA than | :03:44. | :03:49. | |
we do to the next largest market and the USA is the largest inward | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
investor in Britain with total American investments providing more | :03:54. | :03:57. | |
than 1 million jobs. We need to build on that strong foundation as | :03:58. | :04:00. | |
the UK leaves the EU. We are both strong supporters of free trade and | :04:01. | :04:06. | |
today we have discussed how to take forward consultations to ensure that | :04:07. | :04:09. | |
the UK and the USA have the strongest possible trading | :04:10. | :04:14. | |
relationship. In the meantime, tensions with a Chinese continue. | :04:15. | :04:20. | |
The prime ministers will meet Li Keqiang and also the row over the | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
delayed Hinkley point nuclear power plant for the Chinese want to invest | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
billions into that and the whole thing is being delayed on the | :04:29. | :04:30. | |
grounds they think of cost and security concerns but on the plane | :04:31. | :04:34. | |
on the way over, she was asked if she trusted the Chinese and said | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
simply, well, of course we have a relationship with them and we want | :04:39. | :04:41. | |
to build on that relationship. We also want to build on other | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
relationships, too, so a totally different tone to the previous | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
government. OK, James, for the moment, thank you very much. James | :04:50. | :04:52. | |
Landale there in Hangzhou. Enough local authority places | :04:53. | :04:55. | |
to resettle 20,000 Syrian refugees The Home Secretary Amber Rudd said | :04:56. | :04:57. | |
Britain was on track to deliver the promise made by David Cameron | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
to find homes for the refugees A total of ?10 million has also been | :05:03. | :05:05. | |
pledged for language tuition. Half a million people are expected | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
to attend a service in Rome this morning when Mother Teresa will be | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
made a saint. The nun, who devoted her life | :05:14. | :05:15. | |
to helping the poor of India's She'll be canonised as Saint Teresa | :05:16. | :05:18. | |
of Calcutta in a ceremony The special mass will be | :05:19. | :05:22. | |
broadcast in the Indian city, The Sunday papers. The front pages, | :05:23. | :05:47. | |
as usual. The Sunday Times, Theresa May flies into new Chinese security | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
row. I will talk about that later with her. The Sunday express, the | :05:52. | :05:56. | |
spies in Theresa May 's bedroom. The suggestion the Chinese have so many | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
cameras in the bedrooms used by the incoming leaders, they will have to | :06:02. | :06:04. | |
get undressed under the duvet to avoid exposing themselves to the | :06:05. | :06:09. | |
gaze of all China. Keith Vaz, an important chair, one of the key | :06:10. | :06:15. | |
select committees, he's been accused in a string of being involved with | :06:16. | :06:19. | |
prostitutes and he has apparently resigned a taste for the time being | :06:20. | :06:23. | |
from a job this morning. He's referred it to his lawyers but it is | :06:24. | :06:26. | |
a huge story and I'm sure we'll talk a bit about that. Finally I think | :06:27. | :06:30. | |
the most depressing headline of the Sunday Telegraph, modern life is | :06:31. | :06:38. | |
killing children. It's all about cancer, and pollution but it seems | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
pretty grim. I'm sure we could find more important things to talk about. | :06:43. | :06:46. | |
Let's start off with a G20. A very important moment for the government | :06:47. | :06:51. | |
and for Theresa May. It is, and she is back from a summer walking in the | :06:52. | :06:55. | |
Swiss Alps. It's a very important moment because she's waited a long | :06:56. | :06:59. | |
time for her debut on the international stage. It's the first | :07:00. | :07:04. | |
summit after Brexit and you get a bit of an indication of how things | :07:05. | :07:11. | |
might be different, that she's having bilaterals with the USA, | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
China, Russia and India but no equivalent meetings with EU leaders, | :07:16. | :07:22. | |
and that's an indication that which is foreign policy, she's looking in | :07:23. | :07:26. | |
a different direction, she has to because of the vote. The big problem | :07:27. | :07:31. | |
she has, the Hinkley point investment, because the Chinese are | :07:32. | :07:34. | |
very keen on this and then building a new nuclear reactor from scratch | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
at Bradwell. Her own private secretary Nick Timothy says he | :07:40. | :07:42. | |
doesn't like the idea of a Communist country having eyes and ears inside | :07:43. | :07:46. | |
our and existing system. It's extremely tricky but there something | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
rather at report about this that she's at least taking her time and | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
has not rushed into this. It's an indication of how her style will be | :07:56. | :07:58. | |
quite different from David Cameron and George Osborne. You have more on | :07:59. | :08:04. | |
this? The challenge she faces come on one hand they want trade | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
relations with China and this is part of that whole reach towards the | :08:09. | :08:12. | |
east but on the other hand, you have intelligence services warning | :08:13. | :08:15. | |
repeatedly of the security issues. Today we have in the Sunday Mirror, | :08:16. | :08:19. | |
the undercover Prime Minister talking about problems of the | :08:20. | :08:23. | |
Chinese spying on the due 20 summit in Hangzhou. Sexy honey trap spies, | :08:24. | :08:29. | |
G20 officials warned in the Sunday Telegraph, and there's the ability | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
of the Chinese to essentially provide almost a new Cold War. | :08:34. | :08:40. | |
Surely if you are Theresa May with her political background, one of the | :08:41. | :08:44. | |
most successful long serving home secretaries, aren't you going to | :08:45. | :08:47. | |
have an instinct to put security first? Even at times above trade in | :08:48. | :08:53. | |
a calculation of this kind? If she says to the Chinese, we are pulling | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
the plug on these nuclear power stations, that will be a humiliating | :08:58. | :09:02. | |
moment for president Xi Jinping for them after all the work George | :09:03. | :09:05. | |
Osborne was doing, getting to China and being nice to them for so long. | :09:06. | :09:10. | |
I think she will be guided here by her understanding of what has turned | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
to the intelligence sharing relationship. I think that will | :09:16. | :09:21. | |
steer her towards Australia, the USA, Canada, and New Zealand. | :09:22. | :09:25. | |
Obviously that comes with difficulties in terms of trade. She | :09:26. | :09:29. | |
still wants to trade with China but her attitude to China will be very, | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
very different than that of George Osborne particularly. The issue of | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
cyber security is at the top of everybody's mind. It's not China | :09:39. | :09:44. | |
only but of Russia as well, so it world. One of slightly odd moments, | :09:45. | :09:49. | |
Shami, I did an interview with Theresa May and it appeared in the | :09:50. | :09:55. | |
newspapers. She won't go for an election until 2020. Congratulations | :09:56. | :09:57. | |
because this is the interview everybody is talking about today. | :09:58. | :10:00. | |
She has said it would seem unequivocally armour we will watch | :10:01. | :10:05. | |
it in a bit, there will be no snap election. It isn't a snap election | :10:06. | :10:12. | |
if you say there will be one. Maybe, I don't know, circumstances could | :10:13. | :10:16. | |
change in the future. With Brexit negotiations and so on. It's very | :10:17. | :10:20. | |
much in her character as a politician to be stability first. A | :10:21. | :10:28. | |
safe pair of hands. I'm not a showboat, she many times. I get on | :10:29. | :10:33. | |
with the work. People are trusting in me at this moment. I will steady | :10:34. | :10:38. | |
the ship. Even above personal interests. She is grappling with so | :10:39. | :10:44. | |
much uncertainty right now and the business community is so worried | :10:45. | :10:47. | |
about it. I think she's trying to indicate we will stay as we go, the | :10:48. | :10:52. | |
one part of a timetable people to know about. They are very conscious | :10:53. | :10:55. | |
of the parallel with what happened to Labour in 2007 and the mess. | :10:56. | :11:01. | |
Gordon Brown addressing the nation. That was your game. Things went | :11:02. | :11:07. | |
downhill for him after that. The mistake he made was to sacrifice and | :11:08. | :11:14. | |
risk his strongest card. Theresa May's strongest card is she is a | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
steadying the figure. You picked up a piece in the Observer suggesting | :11:19. | :11:23. | |
she is not quite astonishing scenes. It's a great column talking about | :11:24. | :11:28. | |
her vulnerabilities, and just reminding everyone really that every | :11:29. | :11:31. | |
Prime Minister, almost every prime Mr, gets this honeymoon phase in | :11:32. | :11:36. | |
which the polls look fantastic. The British are conditioned to giving | :11:37. | :11:40. | |
new leader is a chance. -- Prime Minister. I think early on in a | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
10-year, you very often see glimmers of what is going to do the men and I | :11:45. | :11:52. | |
think if there is... He said gleefully. I think there is a | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
tendency on the part of her and her team to a certain paranoia. That | :11:58. | :12:03. | |
could turn into control freaks. To that end, it seems clear that they | :12:04. | :12:10. | |
are attempting to run every single media request, interview, lunch | :12:11. | :12:15. | |
request, which horrifies journalists, all being passed | :12:16. | :12:19. | |
through number ten. The reality is, this is never ever going to work. If | :12:20. | :12:28. | |
you want to be like the President Obama presidency. Every Gutmann | :12:29. | :12:32. | |
tries to clamp down on lunches. The problem is this too many moving | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
parts. Follow the ambitious people. You have been in the newspapers | :12:38. | :12:40. | |
yourself, Shami, because you've accepted a seat in the House of | :12:41. | :12:44. | |
Lords. Do you know what you're going to be yet? Shami Chakrabarti is | :12:45. | :12:54. | |
still my name. You are a lady? The criticism is you did a job to Jeremy | :12:55. | :13:00. | |
Corbyn looking at racism and anti-Semitism in the Labour Party | :13:01. | :13:03. | |
and therefore, there was a perception of a clear | :13:04. | :13:06. | |
conflict-of-interest. It's not been a summer of Love in the Labour Party | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
or British politics, nor generally. Lots of blood has been slung about. | :13:11. | :13:16. | |
It was transactional, etc. I wrote a whitewash? I did not. I know what | :13:17. | :13:20. | |
it's like to be offered transactional favours by Prime | :13:21. | :13:23. | |
Minister's. Not by Billy good leaders of the Labour Party. I wrote | :13:24. | :13:29. | |
a report. Tell me more, but I don't think you will. I wrote a report to | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
try to civilise the Labour Party and I get to completely succeed in that | :13:35. | :13:39. | |
enterprise, but I stand by it. To be clear, you went off the period | :13:40. | :13:43. | |
before you did the report? No. It was after the Brexit, after the | :13:44. | :13:51. | |
report, as a resignation honours. Were there any discussions about | :13:52. | :13:58. | |
going to the Lords before Brexit? Jeremy Corbyn is not a corrupt man | :13:59. | :14:02. | |
and I am not a corrupt woman. Nothing remotely transactional about | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
this. Another question is, why would you want to go to the House of Lords | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
in the first place? You have a platform, national name, for the | :14:12. | :14:14. | |
issues you care about, what it is about the House of Lords which is | :14:15. | :14:17. | |
attractive? I thought there's lot which is an attractive about the | :14:18. | :14:21. | |
House of Lords? It is our second legislative chamber and I feel our | :14:22. | :14:24. | |
country is in probably the most difficult moments of my life time. | :14:25. | :14:29. | |
And the lifetimes of lots of other people. If the second legislative | :14:30. | :14:32. | |
chamber and there will be Brexit legislation going through that | :14:33. | :14:36. | |
house, there will be issues about protecting people's rights and | :14:37. | :14:39. | |
freedoms in this difficult moment. If I can do a little bit of | :14:40. | :14:43. | |
something to help out, I will do my best. If I was Jeremy Corbyn, | :14:44. | :14:48. | |
unlikely thought, I would say, Shami Chakrabarti, coming to the Shadow | :14:49. | :14:51. | |
Cabinet, maybe as Shadow Justice Secretary or something. I think he | :14:52. | :14:55. | |
has got a leadership election to win before anything like that. OK. Do | :14:56. | :15:00. | |
you think this has damaged your reputation at all? When people sling | :15:01. | :15:05. | |
mud at you it is designed to damage your reputation but I haven't done | :15:06. | :15:12. | |
anything really in my working life and I do my best to make a | :15:13. | :15:15. | |
difference. Let's move on to somebody who has a grim morning, | :15:16. | :15:22. | |
Keith Vaz across two front pages. This is some kind of sting operation | :15:23. | :15:26. | |
for that we don't absolutely know if he has resigned from his position as | :15:27. | :15:30. | |
chair the committee. That's what the Mail on Sunday said that we have no | :15:31. | :15:34. | |
independent confirmation of that. Kallis first of all why this is | :15:35. | :15:42. | |
important story. Theit is a clear public interest because of his role | :15:43. | :15:46. | |
in terms of the home affairs Select Committee. The subjects have been | :15:47. | :15:57. | |
directly... Class A drugs... If it is suggested or proved that he has | :15:58. | :16:03. | |
voted in a particular way that is in line with interests, that will be a | :16:04. | :16:06. | |
problem. It's unclear whether he has resigned or not. I can see it's | :16:07. | :16:14. | |
obviously very embarrassing and terrible for the family. He is a big | :16:15. | :16:20. | |
public figure. It might be regarded by some people as distasteful but it | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
certainly an old-fashioned Fleet Street operation, but the public | :16:25. | :16:29. | |
interest defence is very clear in this case. And even the News of the | :16:30. | :16:36. | |
World may get involved. Let's move to a more cheerful political story, | :16:37. | :16:40. | |
it brought a smile to everybody's faces if not Ed Balls's wife, Yvette | :16:41. | :16:50. | |
Cooper. A happy story, Ed Balls, Strictly Ed Balls. Wearing an | :16:51. | :16:57. | |
amazing shirt! And moving on with his career, possibly reaching more | :16:58. | :17:03. | |
people, new audiences than he has ever done before. He also has a book | :17:04. | :17:07. | |
out, I know you will be talking to him. It's rather a good book. Maybe | :17:08. | :17:13. | |
some people will watch Strictly and then read his book. Politicians seem | :17:14. | :17:19. | |
to get blown at the system younger and younger, Ed Balls is a | :17:20. | :17:23. | |
relatively young guy, he has made a lot of mistakes as the book shows | :17:24. | :17:28. | |
but he has experience will stop want if he will come back into politics. | :17:29. | :17:33. | |
We a which celebrates reinvention and learning from your mistakes and | :17:34. | :17:40. | |
having a second chance? -- are we a culture which celebrates. It would | :17:41. | :17:43. | |
be nice to see that changing, because we need some grey hairs, | :17:44. | :17:50. | |
people with experience. Like us! Intensive vertical stories with a | :17:51. | :17:59. | |
private aspects, Nicola Sturgess has given an interview... Sturgeon. Here | :18:00. | :18:09. | |
is the true story. She cuts the core of the big issue which is that we | :18:10. | :18:13. | |
have more women than ever before on the political stage globally and the | :18:14. | :18:16. | |
question of how they handle the motherhood issue, their personal | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
life, is critical post she has bravely come out and admitted she | :18:22. | :18:24. | |
had a miscarriage a few years ago, she is not childless by choice, | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
that's not only very useful in terms of opening the debate on this very | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
painful issue that affects so many women but also raises the question | :18:34. | :18:37. | |
of, if she had been a man who had to admit that he wanted children and | :18:38. | :18:40. | |
wasn't able to, would he have at the same issues in public life? I | :18:41. | :18:45. | |
suspect not. I salute her doing this and it shows she has the ability to | :18:46. | :18:49. | |
both show leadership and connect with people. A very difficult time | :18:50. | :18:57. | |
for her, I it happened a declaration in Ibrox, it could not have been | :18:58. | :19:01. | |
more public and painful. Whatever your politics, you can't help but | :19:02. | :19:05. | |
admire her as a role model... I've been on the debt should be inspired. | :19:06. | :19:10. | |
-- a female leader. That great A number of Church of England clergy | :19:11. | :19:20. | |
in same-sex marriages have called on bishops to do more to include gay | :19:21. | :19:23. | |
people in the life of the Church. It comes just days after | :19:24. | :19:27. | |
Bishop Nicholas Chamberlain said I think it had an impact beyond the | :19:28. | :19:50. | |
tri- world of the city. It had an enormous cultural impact... How we | :19:51. | :19:57. | |
value success, how we measure success, how we value the | :19:58. | :20:03. | |
connection, people took the money and ran, I think it was a very | :20:04. | :20:08. | |
significant cultural moment. You are going to join me later on, Shami | :20:09. | :20:11. | |
Chakrabarti, but so to the weather. Over the past couple of days, | :20:12. | :20:15. | |
it's as if a huge, stubby, divine finger has pressed | :20:16. | :20:18. | |
the button marked autumn. So, as we start to enjoy cooler | :20:19. | :20:20. | |
nights, are they here to stay or might there be | :20:21. | :20:22. | |
an Indian Summer ahead? A bit early for an Indian summer but | :20:23. | :20:36. | |
some significant changes on the way next week. Today it's been a lovely | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
colour. To and on the whole, a better day, some sunshine around. A | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
few showers, most of them very light and a lot of places will still be | :20:47. | :20:53. | |
dry. Later on we could see Saint Dundry showers, slow-moving, crossed | :20:54. | :20:58. | |
the northern half of Scotland. -- some thundery showers. A dry day | :20:59. | :21:01. | |
then yesterday, the sunshine very hazy across the South and the | :21:02. | :21:10. | |
south-west of Wales. From eastern areas out of the West will see rain | :21:11. | :21:14. | |
coming in, this athletic influence continuing, a lot of cloud overnight | :21:15. | :21:18. | |
so it shouldn't get too chilly. If you are hoping for rain in the | :21:19. | :21:22. | |
eastern areas, you will probably not going to get it, this rain doesn't | :21:23. | :21:30. | |
go very far. A bit of health, a lot cloud tomorrow, precious little | :21:31. | :21:34. | |
sunshine but quite warm and muggy air we are getting so temperatures | :21:35. | :21:41. | |
about 20. We change our wind direction next week, coming in from | :21:42. | :21:45. | |
the continent, picking up the cloud, more sunshine, temperatures into the | :21:46. | :21:48. | |
mid-20s, summer is set to return! When you watch Ed Balls, | :21:49. | :21:53. | |
former Labour cabinet minister, strutting his stuff on Strictly, | :21:54. | :21:55. | |
you either think, The man's got a sense of humour", | :21:56. | :21:57. | |
or you think his mid-life crisis is At any rate, he's also written | :21:58. | :22:01. | |
a really interesting book Shock and trauma is what your wife | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
Yvette Cooper said. I hope it's not veering out of | :22:07. | :22:22. | |
control but it was pretty traumatic watching that. I'm not sure if I was | :22:23. | :22:25. | |
more traumatised by my dad moves, which looked more dad like than I | :22:26. | :22:32. | |
expected all the pictures of me with all the sparkling celebrities, me | :22:33. | :22:36. | |
looking at the guy who was going to serve them the drinks in a bow tie! | :22:37. | :22:43. | |
You are more formally dressed than the rest but you're slimmed down | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
dramatically. I'm expecting to slim down dramatically over the next few | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
weeks. I could have decided to spend the next month and a half slimming | :22:53. | :22:56. | |
and practising but that wouldn't be considered with the spirit of the | :22:57. | :23:00. | |
show, you have to go in as you, which for me if slightly overweight | :23:01. | :23:03. | |
and with no dancing ability at all and I'm hoping that Katya my partner | :23:04. | :23:10. | |
will wreak a translation. My editor really wanted the ask, can you | :23:11. | :23:19. | |
dance? I can line dance, with pensioners! I did once when I was | :23:20. | :23:24. | |
20. I can sort of jive but it turns that they think it means wiggling | :23:25. | :23:27. | |
your legs and I can't do that bit. My hips don't move in the way you | :23:28. | :23:35. | |
need to for letting. Lots to learn. Maybe I will emerge from a chrysalis | :23:36. | :23:40. | |
or it may turn out I was a slug all along! I am trying to get that image | :23:41. | :23:48. | |
out of my head! The serious point is once you have been on one of these | :23:49. | :23:51. | |
shows, it sticks in peoples minds and they can't not see it. I think | :23:52. | :23:58. | |
of George Galloway in his green catsuit... I will never forget you | :23:59. | :24:01. | |
in your leathers and chains dancing on a Friday night a few years back. | :24:02. | :24:07. | |
I thought that might come back! This is something that is not easy to do | :24:08. | :24:11. | |
as a serious politician and then go back into politics without being | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
ripped forever. If I was trying to go back in the buttocks I don't | :24:16. | :24:19. | |
think I would do something so far out of my comfort zone where clearly | :24:20. | :24:24. | |
I get... It is good for people to see politicians are also human | :24:25. | :24:29. | |
beings, they want to be back in politics, I would go back but I | :24:30. | :24:36. | |
don't think I'm the answer. You have written an interesting book, which | :24:37. | :24:38. | |
is very open about all sorts of things. The thing that interested me | :24:39. | :24:44. | |
most is you give a long list of mistakes that you and others have | :24:45. | :24:51. | |
made, about Brexit, all sorts of the political decisions and you ask the | :24:52. | :24:54. | |
question, how could politicians avoid making so many mistakes? Is it | :24:55. | :24:58. | |
because you always just talking between a small group of people and | :24:59. | :25:05. | |
the UI in a consensual bubble? I read the book to my 27-year-old self | :25:06. | :25:09. | |
to say, if you're preparing for politics, these are things to take | :25:10. | :25:14. | |
on board. I also was writing my mother-in-law to say, this is why we | :25:15. | :25:17. | |
do all this crazy stuff. The answer is, there is something which turns | :25:18. | :25:24. | |
out to be a mistake but other things where you can see the mystic is | :25:25. | :25:27. | |
happening and it takes leadership and strength to step in and solve | :25:28. | :25:31. | |
it, and sometimes in politics that doesn't happen. I think Theresa May | :25:32. | :25:35. | |
may be making a mistake at the moment, she has not defined her | :25:36. | :25:40. | |
position on Brexit, she's allowing expectation of an early move on | :25:41. | :25:47. | |
Article 50, she has Johnson, Box, Davis, in different directions, it | :25:48. | :25:50. | |
feels like a car crash. I think she has to do it quickly, maybe she will | :25:51. | :25:54. | |
in your interview but if the scripts for a month or two, it feels like | :25:55. | :25:57. | |
one of those mistakes which need to be sold now rather than allowed to | :25:58. | :26:04. | |
drift along. One of the things you say in the book is that cabinets are | :26:05. | :26:09. | |
really boring, not much happens, a dreary time of the week. Is it that | :26:10. | :26:13. | |
politicians could allow themselves to be challenged hard enough on | :26:14. | :26:16. | |
their ideas when they are in the job? Honour to be in the Cabinet and | :26:17. | :26:22. | |
you do feel you are in a privileged position around the table. There are | :26:23. | :26:29. | |
moments of crisis where it is hugely important but often felt like the | :26:30. | :26:32. | |
biggest issue of the day wasn't the thing being discussed on that | :26:33. | :26:36. | |
agenda, that was happening outside of the Cabinet room. If you wanted | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
to build a consensus or solve a problem, that tended to happen | :26:41. | :26:45. | |
outside the meeting. It may be hard in modern politics to go through the | :26:46. | :26:48. | |
hardest issues in a meeting but I think it's a good thing if you can | :26:49. | :26:52. | |
have that discussion and in my experience, I am not sure that has | :26:53. | :26:57. | |
happened in Cabinet government for a while. In the late 60s Wilson was | :26:58. | :27:04. | |
having votes in his Cabinet... You are very tough on Jeremy Corbyn in | :27:05. | :27:07. | |
this book and pretty tough on Ed Miliband as well. You put them | :27:08. | :27:12. | |
together in one sentence as left-wingers who fought the Labour | :27:13. | :27:15. | |
Party could win by being further and further to the left. Wasn't the | :27:16. | :27:19. | |
great mistake from the point of view of people in your position, the | :27:20. | :27:21. | |
three current membership and changing the rules to allow the | :27:22. | :27:25. | |
Labour Party this huge new left-wing membership, that was on your watch | :27:26. | :27:31. | |
and Ed Miliband's, and that has changed the Labour Party and in the | :27:32. | :27:37. | |
view of some, destroyed it. The irony is that the pressure for a ?3 | :27:38. | :27:40. | |
mentorship wasn't coming from the left, it was coming from the right, | :27:41. | :27:47. | |
supporters of Tony Blair thought those people would shift things | :27:48. | :27:50. | |
towards the centre ground. And actually that reform was backed by | :27:51. | :27:55. | |
people who supported Ed Miliband and David Miliband. In retrospect it was | :27:56. | :28:00. | |
a catastrophic mistake. The level of unexpected consequences. Did you see | :28:01. | :28:05. | |
it coming? I said to Ed Miliband I was worried about these changes but | :28:06. | :28:08. | |
prices had gone on which people like me were not involved in, we were | :28:09. | :28:13. | |
told this was necessary, I didn't foresee how bad it would be but a | :28:14. | :28:16. | |
new enough about labour history to be worried and the outcome has been | :28:17. | :28:22. | |
much worse than I expected. This has allowed lots and lots of blood to | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
begin the poor who are idealistic, have a view about changing politics | :28:27. | :28:30. | |
dramatically, to come in and play inside the system -- lots of young | :28:31. | :28:35. | |
people. Jeremy has put in lots of new numbers, which is a good thing, | :28:36. | :28:39. | |
but if the consequence was that Labour was winning the argument and | :28:40. | :28:43. | |
was leading in the polls, I would have to praise it. But that isn't | :28:44. | :28:48. | |
how things are turning out. And what I see is too many times, when people | :28:49. | :28:52. | |
say this isn't working, we're not going to appeal the centre ground | :28:53. | :28:56. | |
voters, what happens is you get attacked as a neoliberal or a Tory. | :28:57. | :29:04. | |
I was in labour for 20 years, I'm not a Tory, I just don't agree with | :29:05. | :29:07. | |
some of the things Jeremy Corbyn advocates. Let's play a thought | :29:08. | :29:14. | |
experiment. Jeremy Corbyn wins again, wins big, stays as Labour | :29:15. | :29:17. | |
leader, let's assume that you are someone you know is in the House of | :29:18. | :29:21. | |
Commons still, how do you behave? You could say, it's over, he has won | :29:22. | :29:27. | |
both the elections, it's time to end the feud, come back into the Shadow | :29:28. | :29:30. | |
Cabinet couldn't fight it and try and make it work. Or sit on the | :29:31. | :29:36. | |
backbenches and sulk for four years, wait to be deselected or try and set | :29:37. | :29:41. | |
up a new party. Because there is the left, there was the Conservative | :29:42. | :29:44. | |
Party, and a lot of people think there is a huge gap in the middle. | :29:45. | :29:49. | |
The country is crying out for a serious opposition to take on | :29:50. | :29:52. | |
Theresa May, there is no doubt about that. I am voting for Owen Smith | :29:53. | :29:57. | |
individual election but the result will be the result, it has to be | :29:58. | :29:59. | |
accepted. Would you say to Labour people in | :30:00. | :30:06. | |
the House of Commons to come back into the Shadow copied it and make | :30:07. | :30:10. | |
it work? It is clear there is a fundamental problem in the | :30:11. | :30:13. | |
relationship between Jeremy Corbyn and the Parliamentary Labour Party. | :30:14. | :30:16. | |
I think it's likely the Parliamentary Labour Party will want | :30:17. | :30:20. | |
to have elections for the Shadow Cabinet but I absolutely think | :30:21. | :30:23. | |
senior people need to stand for election and serve as part of the | :30:24. | :30:26. | |
Labour opposition. The third option you rate was the idea of a split for | :30:27. | :30:29. | |
that I think that would be a catastrophe for Labour. We have a | :30:30. | :30:34. | |
long history, tradition, values. Whether it's about fighting a case | :30:35. | :30:46. | |
in Europe, or as an individual politician, walking away from the | :30:47. | :30:48. | |
table is never a good idea. You should stay and fight for what you | :30:49. | :30:51. | |
believe in and it's really hard and we need a tough opposition and a | :30:52. | :30:53. | |
good opposition. My colleagues need to stay in and do their bit to make | :30:54. | :30:56. | |
sure at the next election, Labour can appeal to centre ground voters | :30:57. | :30:59. | |
and say, trust us, not the Conservatives. Much more to talk | :31:00. | :31:01. | |
about. For now, thank you very much indeed. | :31:02. | :31:03. | |
The assassination of the SS leader Heydrich in 1942 shook Hitler's high | :31:04. | :31:06. | |
command to its core and caused vicious Nazi reprisals | :31:07. | :31:08. | |
Anthropoid, a film named after the Operation to kill | :31:09. | :31:12. | |
The Butcher of Prague, opens this week. | :31:13. | :31:15. | |
The star of Peaky Blinders, Cillian Murphy, plays a Czech | :31:16. | :31:18. | |
soldier parachuted back into his occupied homeland. | :31:19. | :31:22. | |
He soon finds that it's not just the Germans he's up | :31:23. | :31:25. | |
How much did the Germans pay you for turning | :31:26. | :31:55. | |
Czechoslovakia as it was at the time was occupied by the Third Reich. | :31:56. | :32:12. | |
This was this very, very daring operation to assassinate Heydrick, | :32:13. | :32:19. | |
who was the most senior Nazi ever to be assassinated. | :32:20. | :32:28. | |
It's clearly a heroic story but you could argue | :32:29. | :32:30. | |
it was a disaster really for all concerned because of the huge | :32:31. | :32:34. | |
reprisal killings the Germans carried out and also the fact | :32:35. | :32:38. | |
the Czech government showed the fighting spirit didn't matter | :32:39. | :32:40. | |
because the Russians took over in due course. | :32:41. | :32:42. | |
And I think those are the kinds of moral questions the characters | :32:43. | :32:48. | |
are faced with and I think it's the moral questions | :32:49. | :32:50. | |
every sort of resistance movement is faced with. | :32:51. | :32:53. | |
What are the repercussions of what you're doing? | :32:54. | :32:57. | |
That's quite interesting to play as an actor, because the last sort | :32:58. | :33:00. | |
of act of this film, they are living with this guilt. | :33:01. | :33:09. | |
They know Ledice has been wiped off the face of the earth. | :33:10. | :33:12. | |
Innocent women and children have been killed. | :33:13. | :33:14. | |
It's kind of fascinating to play that. | :33:15. | :33:21. | |
They dont have the benefit of history to look back and realise | :33:22. | :33:24. | |
arguably it changed the course of the Second World War. | :33:25. | :33:27. | |
The moral dilemmas take you straight to Tommy Shelby and again, | :33:28. | :33:29. | |
very interesting character because he so damaged | :33:30. | :33:31. | |
One thing I've noted about the series is, | :33:32. | :33:36. | |
as it goes on, women take control back hour by hour. | :33:37. | :33:38. | |
It's very, very macho, all the violence and torture | :33:39. | :33:40. | |
and bloodshed, but it's also mildly feminist in its underlying message. | :33:41. | :33:45. | |
Helen McCrory's character as an example is | :33:46. | :33:52. | |
She's definitely the only one Tommy really trusts, certainly | :33:53. | :33:58. | |
Yet, in terms of the damaged men, I guess I'm kind of attracted | :33:59. | :34:11. | |
to playing those kinds of characters but to me there is some sort | :34:12. | :34:14. | |
of truth in that because these men historically were just spat back | :34:15. | :34:17. | |
into society after the First World War. | :34:18. | :34:18. | |
They were shellshocked, but it was something you just kind | :34:19. | :34:28. | |
Everybody expressed it in a different way. | :34:29. | :34:31. | |
Whoever it is up there he gave the wrong name. | :34:32. | :34:42. | |
We asked him the name and he gave the wrong one. | :34:43. | :34:46. | |
It's a fascinating foundation from which to take a character. | :34:47. | :34:50. | |
It's quite a bold and experimental drama and has been hugely successful | :34:51. | :34:58. | |
and it's recently been argued British TV and particularly | :34:59. | :35:02. | |
the BBC has been a bit safe as television. | :35:03. | :35:04. | |
I can only speak from my own experience. | :35:05. | :35:09. | |
I think with Peaky Blinders, we have tried to compete | :35:10. | :35:12. | |
with the great American shows and I think that, | :35:13. | :35:17. | |
in terms of the production design and the quality of the actors, | :35:18. | :35:22. | |
the quality of the writing, we certainly can compete. | :35:23. | :35:25. | |
I think it's important that British television desk keep pushing | :35:26. | :35:27. | |
the envelope a little bit for them it's great that this series has been | :35:28. | :35:31. | |
You got to give things time to evolve and develop, you know, | :35:32. | :35:38. | |
I think certainly if you look back at this series, I think the third | :35:39. | :35:43. | |
compared to the first has been a big revolution and that taken bravery. | :35:44. | :35:47. | |
Cillian, thanks very much for talking to us. | :35:48. | :35:48. | |
Now, we'll hear from the Prime Minister in a moment but first, | :35:49. | :35:59. | |
let's find out what's happening after this programme. | :36:00. | :36:02. | |
Good morning. It's the biggest industrial action in NHS history but | :36:03. | :36:09. | |
should doctors even have the right to go on strike? Amid calls for | :36:10. | :36:12. | |
button to take on more migrants, will assess what our responsibility | :36:13. | :36:17. | |
really is. And bestselling crime writer Val McDermott tells us about | :36:18. | :36:20. | |
her dark side. Join us at ten o'clock. Self-deprecatingly, no | :36:21. | :36:24. | |
mention at all odds to become dancing where she did really well. | :36:25. | :36:29. | |
-- of Strictly Come Dancing. Theresa May is today at the G20 | :36:30. | :36:31. | |
in China hob-knobbing On Friday, however, she invited us | :36:32. | :36:34. | |
to her Maidenhead constituency to give her first impressions | :36:35. | :36:37. | |
of the task facing the Government as it | :36:38. | :36:39. | |
unwinds its relationships I started by asking about that | :36:40. | :36:41. | |
striking speech she gave outside Downing Street, | :36:42. | :36:44. | |
when she first became Prime Minister promising to take action | :36:45. | :36:46. | |
against burning injustices around Frankly, I wanted to | :36:47. | :36:48. | |
know, did she mean it? Well, I want to see a country that | :36:49. | :37:00. | |
works for everyone, Andrew, and that's what's going to be the | :37:01. | :37:03. | |
driving force of my government and that is looking at, a society which | :37:04. | :37:08. | |
works for everyone, an economy which works for everyone, looking across | :37:09. | :37:12. | |
the border issues like schools, hospitals, and opportunities to | :37:13. | :37:16. | |
ensure that people can actually get on and take those opportunities | :37:17. | :37:19. | |
regardless of their background and it's about their talents and their | :37:20. | :37:22. | |
willingness to work. In concrete terms, a lot of people on your side | :37:23. | :37:27. | |
of politics who would say that, in terms of education, grammar schools | :37:28. | :37:31. | |
are the way forward. You went to a grammar school and it became a | :37:32. | :37:34. | |
comprehensive. Lots of people like you got to the top by going to | :37:35. | :37:37. | |
grammar schools for them are you prepared to allow more grammar | :37:38. | :37:41. | |
schools to open an existing rammer schools to expand? With schools I | :37:42. | :37:45. | |
want to build on the success of the six years under David Cameron 's | :37:46. | :37:49. | |
premiership when we have now seen more children in good and | :37:50. | :37:52. | |
outstanding schools but there are still more to be done. There are | :37:53. | :37:56. | |
still parents who feel their children are not getting the | :37:57. | :37:58. | |
opportunities they want them to have because of what happens at the local | :37:59. | :38:02. | |
school so I want to make sure that children have those opportunities, | :38:03. | :38:04. | |
all schools offer a good education for children. Not quite an answer to | :38:05. | :38:11. | |
my question about grammar schools, though. Justine Greening said you | :38:12. | :38:14. | |
would look at these issues, which she is doing, so we will look at the | :38:15. | :38:17. | |
work she's doing, but the abiding theme I want to ensure is there is | :38:18. | :38:23. | |
that of giving opportunity to young people. Ensuring that whatever | :38:24. | :38:26. | |
school anybody goes to, wherever they are, whatever part of the | :38:27. | :38:30. | |
country, they are able to ensure they get a good quality of | :38:31. | :38:33. | |
education, which gives them the opportunities to get on in life. | :38:34. | :38:38. | |
Would you like to see at the end of the first Theresa May administration | :38:39. | :38:41. | |
more grammar schools open than there are now? What I would like to see is | :38:42. | :38:46. | |
ensuring an education system, regardless of where people are, | :38:47. | :38:50. | |
regardless of the school they go to, ensuring they get the quality of | :38:51. | :38:54. | |
education that enables them to take on those opportunities because when | :38:55. | :38:57. | |
I talk about a country that works for everyone, it's about ensuring | :38:58. | :39:01. | |
that whatever peoples talents, it's about how far those talents can take | :39:02. | :39:05. | |
them but also about government ensuring that those jobs and | :39:06. | :39:07. | |
opportunities are there for everybody and I think that there are | :39:08. | :39:11. | |
sadly some people in the country who do feel that actually benefits of | :39:12. | :39:16. | |
what's happened over the last few years have gone to other people and | :39:17. | :39:20. | |
not to them. It's ensuring that it is that government and country that | :39:21. | :39:23. | |
works for everyone. If you're going to operate on the basis of people at | :39:24. | :39:29. | |
the bottom of the heap, why to water down the obesity strategy where | :39:30. | :39:33. | |
there was a very, very carefully worked out complicated thought | :39:34. | :39:36. | |
through strategy to help the problem of obesity which particularly | :39:37. | :39:39. | |
affects poorer people and it was dismantled the last moment? What we | :39:40. | :39:44. | |
have come forward is an obesity strategy which I think will work and | :39:45. | :39:49. | |
will have an impact on people through the work we will be doing in | :39:50. | :39:53. | |
terms of reductions of sugar and so forth. There is an issue here I | :39:54. | :39:58. | |
think which is first of all, you say we want to help those at the bottom | :39:59. | :40:05. | |
of society. But I also want to help, as I said on the steps of Downing | :40:06. | :40:10. | |
Street, those people who are perhaps in work but for whom life is still a | :40:11. | :40:14. | |
struggle. I think it's often those people who feel that they have been | :40:15. | :40:17. | |
particularly left behind. If it's not to be more than warm words, you | :40:18. | :40:23. | |
have to take on some of the big interests and did seem you sided | :40:24. | :40:27. | |
with big food companies at the advertisers rather than the medical | :40:28. | :40:31. | |
people and the lobbyists on the obesity issue. I've been clear and | :40:32. | :40:33. | |
not afraid to take on the big interests. When I spoke in | :40:34. | :40:37. | |
Birmingham at the start of what was going to be the national leadership | :40:38. | :40:41. | |
campaign, of course things turned out a little differently, I spoke | :40:42. | :40:45. | |
about the importance of actually dealing with irresponsible behaviour | :40:46. | :40:48. | |
in companies, so, as you would have seen in my time as Home Secretary, | :40:49. | :40:52. | |
I'm not afraid to take on big interests when I think it's the | :40:53. | :40:57. | |
right thing to do. You've already mentioned Brexit. It means Brexit, | :40:58. | :41:03. | |
you said, but what does Brexit mean? It's about coming out of the | :41:04. | :41:06. | |
European Union at its simplest, listening to the British people, the | :41:07. | :41:09. | |
only party now who is actually saying we are prepared to accept the | :41:10. | :41:13. | |
vote that people gave and we have listened to people and we will now | :41:14. | :41:17. | |
make a success of that. Obviously there was going to be a period of | :41:18. | :41:20. | |
negotiations. What I'm very clear about particular and this is a | :41:21. | :41:23. | |
message I will be taking to the G20 in China, is that this is not about | :41:24. | :41:30. | |
the UK suddenly wanting to be inward looking. Actually, we will continue | :41:31. | :41:34. | |
to be bold and outward looking, we want to forge new deals, be an | :41:35. | :41:38. | |
independent Britain, forging our own way in the world. At Chequers, you | :41:39. | :41:43. | |
made it clear, as far as you are concerned, part of Brexit is strict | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
controls on immigration. Will your success as Home Secretary, if she's | :41:48. | :41:51. | |
in the job in five years' time, be able, if she chooses, to say no | :41:52. | :41:56. | |
immigration at all or only a dribble from the EU? What leaving the | :41:57. | :42:00. | |
European Union does enable us to do is to say what I think the British | :42:01. | :42:05. | |
people were very clear about, they don't want free movement continuing | :42:06. | :42:09. | |
the way it has done in the past. They do want to see controls of | :42:10. | :42:13. | |
movement of people coming in from the European Union but people also | :42:14. | :42:17. | |
want to see the job opportunities, to see the economic opportunities, | :42:18. | :42:22. | |
so getting a good deal in trade and goods and services, is also | :42:23. | :42:26. | |
obviously important for us. This is the problem for them as Philip | :42:27. | :42:29. | |
Hammond has said, it's very important to get access to European | :42:30. | :42:33. | |
markets, particularly the banking sector, the finance sector but many | :42:34. | :42:36. | |
others as well. You may have to do trades in terms of the amount of | :42:37. | :42:40. | |
people you allow in from the EU, it may not quite be an end to free | :42:41. | :42:44. | |
movement of people if you want full access to those markets? Are you | :42:45. | :42:48. | |
prepared to do those trades? We need to take some time to prepare the | :42:49. | :42:52. | |
position we want to take as the UK, that's why I said we won't trigger | :42:53. | :42:58. | |
article 50, which starts the former negotiation process with the EU | :42:59. | :43:02. | |
before the end of this year. So we are taking that time, David Davis is | :43:03. | :43:07. | |
the Secretary of State. He will make a statement to Parliament this week | :43:08. | :43:10. | |
about the work that the government has been doing over the summer. And | :43:11. | :43:14. | |
how we will take that forward in shaping the sort of relationship we | :43:15. | :43:22. | |
want with the EU. It's a matter of huge importance to people when | :43:23. | :43:27. | |
Article 50 is triggered because the clock starts ticking. Next year, | :43:28. | :43:32. | |
will it have been triggered by then? I don't think it should be triggered | :43:33. | :43:35. | |
before the end of the air because we need to have a period of | :43:36. | :43:38. | |
preparation. I think it's actually good for the European Union that | :43:39. | :43:42. | |
they are also able to have that period of preparation so that when | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
we start the process of negotiations, the process I think | :43:47. | :43:50. | |
will be smoother and we can ensure that there is as little disruption | :43:51. | :43:54. | |
as possible. But I'm very clear also that the British people don't wonder | :43:55. | :43:58. | |
the issue of article 50 being triggered just being kicked into the | :43:59. | :44:01. | |
long grass. Should we have access to the single European market? What I | :44:02. | :44:06. | |
want to see is the best possible deal for the UK in trade, goods and | :44:07. | :44:11. | |
services. I don't want to adopt a particular model and people use | :44:12. | :44:16. | |
phrases about access to the market, about customs unions and so forth, | :44:17. | :44:21. | |
but I prefer to look at it and say let's work out what the best deal | :44:22. | :44:24. | |
for us would be in trade in goods and services and then let the | :44:25. | :44:27. | |
ambitious and go out there and fight for it. As you head off to the G20 | :44:28. | :44:31. | |
20s, everybody wants to hear more about Brexit and how it's going but | :44:32. | :44:35. | |
you leave with economic figures which could hardly be better, | :44:36. | :44:39. | |
employment is right up, consumer confidence is very strong indeed and | :44:40. | :44:43. | |
we had some excellent manufacturing index figures. That suggests all | :44:44. | :44:46. | |
those people who said Brexit would put a bomb under the British | :44:47. | :44:53. | |
economy, a DIY bomb, all of that was scaremongering? We have had some | :44:54. | :44:59. | |
good figures and better figures than some had predicted would be the | :45:00. | :45:04. | |
case. But what is important for us now is that we maintain that policy | :45:05. | :45:09. | |
of ensuring economic stability and a strong economy for the future and | :45:10. | :45:13. | |
part about is going to be, as we come out of the European Union, | :45:14. | :45:15. | |
ensuring we have trade deals around the world. I want the UK to be a | :45:16. | :45:19. | |
global leader in free trade and one of the things I will be doing at the | :45:20. | :45:24. | |
20 is emphasising the role that we will be playing in the world but | :45:25. | :45:27. | |
also in a number of discussions I will be having with President Obama, | :45:28. | :45:35. | |
for example,... We will be talking about how we can start to scope out | :45:36. | :45:40. | |
what is a trade deal and negotiations on trade deals and what | :45:41. | :45:43. | |
they will be like so when the time comes to sign those deals, real do | :45:44. | :45:44. | |
our best. All those warnings about a bomb | :45:45. | :45:53. | |
under the British economy appeared to be completely wrong at the moment | :45:54. | :45:57. | |
or do you think it's too early to tell and there are dangers ahead? | :45:58. | :46:02. | |
I'm not going to pretend it's all going to be plain sailing, we must | :46:03. | :46:05. | |
be prepared for the fact there may be difficult times ahead. But I'm | :46:06. | :46:09. | |
optimistic. This was the message that came from the Cabinet when we | :46:10. | :46:13. | |
were sitting around the table this week and talking about these things, | :46:14. | :46:18. | |
it's the same message I've had from businesses, and optimism about the | :46:19. | :46:21. | |
future, the opportunities that are now open to the UK. An independent | :46:22. | :46:26. | |
Britain, forging her own way in the world. He used the word British but | :46:27. | :46:31. | |
you also said soon after he became Prime Minister that they water this | :46:32. | :46:35. | |
to be an all United Kingdom thing and you wanted the Scots to be happy | :46:36. | :46:40. | |
and satisfied way things are going and the way negotiations were going | :46:41. | :46:44. | |
before you triggered Article 50, is that still the case? What I've said | :46:45. | :46:53. | |
to Nicola Sturgeon is I want them to be fully involved and engaged in | :46:54. | :46:56. | |
discussions about the position the UK is going to take on the other | :46:57. | :47:00. | |
devolved administrations as well. The people of the UK took a decision | :47:01. | :47:06. | |
to leave the European Union. I want to make a success of it although I | :47:07. | :47:09. | |
will say to the people in Scotland that I want to ensure that is a | :47:10. | :47:14. | |
successful people in Scotland. What I'm trying to get to is Scotland has | :47:15. | :47:17. | |
very different views about some of these issues, there as much as worry | :47:18. | :47:23. | |
about immigration among Scots and certainly the Scottish Government. | :47:24. | :47:27. | |
Will they have a proper input into that process, will she be | :47:28. | :47:30. | |
influential in the Brexit negotiations? I want them and the | :47:31. | :47:36. | |
other devolved over the stations to be engaged with this as we determine | :47:37. | :47:42. | |
the position the UK takes. -- devolved ministrations. The people | :47:43. | :47:46. | |
of the UK took a view that we should leave the EU, we should try and say, | :47:47. | :47:53. | |
let's have a second vote... No second referendum. We could say, we | :47:54. | :47:56. | |
wish it hadn't happened so we get to try and wish it away. What I'm | :47:57. | :48:01. | |
saying, what the Conservative Party is saying, the only party saying | :48:02. | :48:05. | |
this is, we respect the wishes of the British people. The British | :48:06. | :48:09. | |
people want us to leave the European Union and that's what we will do. In | :48:10. | :48:15. | |
Scotland there is a feeling that we in Scotland voted to stay, we didn't | :48:16. | :48:18. | |
vote the same way as England and we would like to stay inside the EU. | :48:19. | :48:24. | |
That in itself is triggering pressure for a second Scottish | :48:25. | :48:27. | |
independence referendum. If that came about would you prevent the | :48:28. | :48:33. | |
second referendum happening? I think it's a question of whether there | :48:34. | :48:37. | |
should be, there was a vote in 2014... But there has been a | :48:38. | :48:44. | |
maternal changed since then. There has been about the UK that it wants | :48:45. | :48:48. | |
to come out of the European Union, Scotland wasn't the only part of the | :48:49. | :48:54. | |
UK that voted overall to Remain, but the overall view of the UK and the | :48:55. | :48:59. | |
public was to come out of the European Union. Some people might | :49:00. | :49:04. | |
say, let's row back on that, find a way out of that, but a decision was | :49:05. | :49:09. | |
taken, the job now is to get on with it. A lot of people watching and not | :49:10. | :49:13. | |
only in Scotland want to know whether, if there are proposals for | :49:14. | :49:16. | |
a second Scottish independence referendum quite soon, Theresa May | :49:17. | :49:21. | |
as Prime Minister of the UK will say, I am not going to let that | :49:22. | :49:25. | |
happen. I think it's whether question of whether there should be. | :49:26. | :49:30. | |
If you look at some of the results now coming out of polling in | :49:31. | :49:33. | |
Scotland, they suggest the Scottish people don't want a second | :49:34. | :49:39. | |
referendum. Let me move on to the position of people living and | :49:40. | :49:41. | |
working and contributing to this economy, there are millions of them, | :49:42. | :49:47. | |
many of them watching, they are very worried about their own personal | :49:48. | :49:50. | |
futures. Some of them are already going home, people in top jobs, | :49:51. | :49:54. | |
universities, returning to the continent because they have not | :49:55. | :49:59. | |
heard any reassuring words, particularly from you. Can you give | :50:00. | :50:03. | |
them some reassurance now? As long as we're still in the EU, then the | :50:04. | :50:08. | |
position of people born in other EU countries and living in the UK | :50:09. | :50:14. | |
doesn't change. Their status remains the same stop I want to be able to | :50:15. | :50:17. | |
guarantee their status for the future, I expect to be able to | :50:18. | :50:21. | |
guarantee their status for the future but the only circumstances in | :50:22. | :50:23. | |
which that wouldn't be possible would be if the status of British | :50:24. | :50:28. | |
citizens living in other European Union countries was not guaranteed. | :50:29. | :50:33. | |
Do you feel that could happen? It's important that we are clear that I | :50:34. | :50:38. | |
expect the status of British citizens in other EU countries to be | :50:39. | :50:41. | |
going to need as I expect to be able to guarantee the status of EU | :50:42. | :50:46. | |
citizens living here. We've talked about a possible Scottish referendum | :50:47. | :50:49. | |
and the timing of Article 50 and so on, then you're asking about the | :50:50. | :50:54. | |
next general election. If you look at the polling, and a lot of people | :50:55. | :50:58. | |
in your party are excited about this, if you went to the country | :50:59. | :51:02. | |
now, you would get a huge majority, that seems a wonderful opportunity | :51:03. | :51:07. | |
for you. Are you tempted to call a snap election? I think what's | :51:08. | :51:12. | |
important, having had the referendum vote, is that we have a period of | :51:13. | :51:18. | |
stability. There is a challenge ahead in ensuring that we make a | :51:19. | :51:22. | |
success of coming out of the European Union and it's important we | :51:23. | :51:25. | |
focus on that and the other reform agenda that I have for the country | :51:26. | :51:31. | |
as we go forward. We will be continuing the manifesto on which | :51:32. | :51:35. | |
the Conservative government was elected in 2015, so I don't think | :51:36. | :51:38. | |
there is a need for an election, the next election will be Twenty20. | :51:39. | :51:44. | |
Under current law, the next election will be then, no ifs, no buts, no | :51:45. | :51:51. | |
snap election, is that absolutely certain, we're not going to see an | :51:52. | :51:56. | |
election before then? I am not going to be calling a snap election, I | :51:57. | :51:59. | |
have been clear that we need a period of time, that stability to | :52:00. | :52:03. | |
deal with the issues the country is facing and have the election in the | :52:04. | :52:11. | |
year 2020. You would be meeting the Chinese, if you full the plug on | :52:12. | :52:15. | |
Hinckley committee will cause enormous offence and the personal | :52:16. | :52:20. | |
humiliation for the Chinese president, are you going to do that? | :52:21. | :52:24. | |
It's about how I approach these things, don't just come in and say, | :52:25. | :52:28. | |
this is the decision I take my look at the evidence, take the advice, | :52:29. | :52:32. | |
listen to that, that's what I am doing, there will be bit edition in | :52:33. | :52:38. | |
September. One of your senior advisers Nick Timothy said he was | :52:39. | :52:43. | |
worried about security in of the commonest country having its hands | :52:44. | :52:45. | |
on the windpipe of our nuclear industry. -- communist country. They | :52:46. | :52:52. | |
could close down our electricity supply, do you share those worries | :52:53. | :52:56. | |
about China having a strategic plate at the centre of our nuclear | :52:57. | :53:01. | |
industry? I am looking at this decision, across the board at the | :53:02. | :53:05. | |
various aspects and looking at the various aspects... Then we will come | :53:06. | :53:15. | |
to a view as a result of the work I'm doing, I said in September, and | :53:16. | :53:21. | |
as Home Secretary in the past and Prime Minister now, national | :53:22. | :53:24. | |
security is a key issue for us but in terms of that individual | :53:25. | :53:27. | |
decision, I will be looking at all aspects and come to a decision in | :53:28. | :53:33. | |
September. It would be something to have a communist country in control | :53:34. | :53:35. | |
of our nuclear industry, they want to build their own station as well, | :53:36. | :53:40. | |
this is a big strategic position. And yet if they are offended by the | :53:41. | :53:44. | |
way we approach this, we are cutting off our noses and spiking with our | :53:45. | :53:48. | |
really important partners in the future, post-Brexit. You're trying | :53:49. | :53:52. | |
to get me to give an indication about my decision, which I'm not | :53:53. | :54:02. | |
going to do. The way I work is to assemble the evidence, that | :54:03. | :54:04. | |
carefully and then come to a decision and that's the process I am | :54:05. | :54:05. | |
going through. Thank you. Well, after 17 minutes | :54:06. | :54:08. | |
from our Tory PM, I'm rejoined by two people who, | :54:09. | :54:11. | |
just about, remain Can the party reunite after the | :54:12. | :54:31. | |
election? Absolutely full stop on one of hundreds of thousands of | :54:32. | :54:34. | |
people who have joined the party in recent months and I've done that for | :54:35. | :54:39. | |
a reason, because it's a great part with a great history and a great | :54:40. | :54:43. | |
future and as Ed said in his interview, which I took some heart | :54:44. | :54:46. | |
from, this country needs an opposition and a Labour government | :54:47. | :54:51. | |
very soon. Do you both think there can be a conciliation period after | :54:52. | :54:56. | |
the election, even if it's Jeremy Corbyn, you could come back into the | :54:57. | :54:59. | |
Shadow Cabinet, work together, bury the hatchet? I hope so. It's too | :55:00. | :55:05. | |
important to stop this isn't a private members club the dealing | :55:06. | :55:09. | |
with grievances again and again. Let the membership have the election and | :55:10. | :55:15. | |
let there be a healing. It's important to say, they don't support | :55:16. | :55:19. | |
Jeremy Corbyn, doesn't make you a Tory or a neoliberal, it may be that | :55:20. | :55:23. | |
we just disagree but what we had to agree on is the purpose. We are not | :55:24. | :55:28. | |
a permanent party of opposition. We shouldn't feel good about the fact | :55:29. | :55:32. | |
we agree with each other in a room of 1001 what matters is the voters | :55:33. | :55:36. | |
at the ballot box, we have to be a party of government. It takes two to | :55:37. | :55:41. | |
tango, we have got to be a proper opposition which wants to win power. | :55:42. | :55:46. | |
In our earlier conversation I asked you whether you had a concession at | :55:47. | :55:50. | |
that Jeremy Corbyn before you were asked to do the enquiry and use it, | :55:51. | :55:53. | |
I am not corrupt and he is not corrupt, which I'm sure is true but | :55:54. | :56:00. | |
it wasn't quite an answer. Let me give you the clearest answer I can. | :56:01. | :56:03. | |
I joined the Labour Party because they wanted to be part of its | :56:04. | :56:08. | |
future. I did my report into racism and anti-Semitism would no | :56:09. | :56:11. | |
inducement, no office, no threats, no interference. Did you discuss the | :56:12. | :56:18. | |
arrangement before? No, but he offered it to me knowing I am a | :56:19. | :56:20. | |
Labour person and I want to help. Join me again at the earlier time | :56:21. | :56:24. | |
of 8.30am next Sunday. For one week only, that's a half | :56:25. | :56:30. | |
eight start here on BBC One Until then we leave | :56:31. | :56:33. | |
you with the sound of The Jayhawks. According to Rolling Stone magazine, | :56:34. | :56:36. | |
"Long before Americana music had From their new album, | :56:37. | :56:39. | |
Paging Mr Proust, here they are with Quiet | :56:40. | :56:44. | |
Corners And Empty Spaces. # Aside the wandering | :56:45. | :56:50. | |
eye has opened. # A stare all the way | :56:51. | :56:57. | |
bare and broken. # The start of a brand | :56:58. | :57:06. | |
new adventure. # Tell me if there's | :57:07. | :57:15. | |
something I should say. # I'll find the quiet corners | :57:16. | :57:24. | |
and the empty spaces. # Tell me if there's | :57:25. | :57:31. | |
something I should say. # I'll find the quiet corners | :57:32. | :57:57. | |
and the empty spaces. # In the end there's | :57:58. | :58:03. | |
no way in redemption. # Tell me if there's | :58:04. | :58:45. | |
something I should say. # I'll find the quiet corners | :58:46. | :58:55. | |
and the empty spaces. | :58:56. | :59:03. |