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Good morning from a crisply, sunny Birmingham. | :00:00. | :00:08. | |
Britain will once more be an independent and sovereign nation. | :00:09. | :00:12. | |
That's the Prime Minister's message to the Tory Conference | :00:13. | :00:15. | |
But as she lays out her plans for leaving the EU, what do those | :00:16. | :00:22. | |
Theresa May is still, frankly, the unknown | :00:23. | :00:44. | |
Today we'll try to find out a little more. | :00:45. | :00:57. | |
And speaking for the Tories' exiled regime, David Cameron's former | :00:58. | :01:00. | |
communications director Sir Craig Oliver, who's written | :01:01. | :01:01. | |
a book about how his former boss gambled and lost. | :01:02. | :01:06. | |
And speaking of drama at Westminster, | :01:07. | :01:10. | |
Dominic Cooper has been talking about playing London's wickedest | :01:11. | :01:15. | |
And here on a hugely significant weekend in politics, | :01:16. | :01:21. | |
to review the news, Anushka Asthana from the Guardian | :01:22. | :01:23. | |
and Matthew Parris of the Times, who's been warning Mrs May | :01:24. | :01:26. | |
All that coming up, but first the news with Sally Nugent. | :01:27. | :01:31. | |
Prime Minister Theresa May has said that her Government will introduce | :01:32. | :01:36. | |
a 'Great Repeal Bill' to begin the process for Britain's exit | :01:37. | :01:39. | |
The announcement comes as the first Conservative Party conference | :01:40. | :01:45. | |
since the referendum gets under way in Birmingham. | :01:46. | :01:47. | |
Our Political Correspondent Carole Walker's report contains flash | :01:48. | :01:49. | |
Theresa May arrived last night for her first party conference | :01:50. | :01:57. | |
Keen to demonstrate her Government is getting | :01:58. | :02:05. | |
She says shall begin the process of making the UK and sovereign | :02:06. | :02:10. | |
and independent country with a Great Repeal Bill to overturn | :02:11. | :02:14. | |
the legislation which took Britain into what was then | :02:15. | :02:16. | |
The European Communities Act 1972, set out on vellum scroll, will be | :02:17. | :02:25. | |
This will mean that all EU laws will be | :02:26. | :02:32. | |
transferred into UK law and will no longer override domestic | :02:33. | :02:34. | |
The new bill will be introduced next spring but it will | :02:35. | :02:38. | |
not take effect until the moment Britain leaves the EU, and does not | :02:39. | :02:42. | |
affect the formal process of negotiations under Article 50. | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
The move to give the UK control over its | :02:48. | :02:50. | |
own laws is exactly what many of the leading figures in campaign | :02:51. | :02:53. | |
to leave the EU have been calling for, and it | :02:54. | :02:57. | |
will delight many at this conference, but it still leaves | :02:58. | :02:59. | |
questions over when the Prime Minister will trigger | :03:00. | :03:03. | |
Article 50 to begin the formal negotiations and what the | :03:04. | :03:07. | |
future deal. The new Prime Minister wants to use this conference | :03:08. | :03:15. | |
domestic agenda under the slogan, "a country that works for everyone". | :03:16. | :03:19. | |
But today's announcements won't stop all | :03:20. | :03:20. | |
the discussions and arguments over Brexit. | :03:21. | :03:27. | |
Gulf countries have urged the United Nations to intervene | :03:28. | :03:30. | |
immediately in Syria to stop the aerial attacks | :03:31. | :03:32. | |
The appeal came hours after a medical charity said | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
the largest hospital in the rebel-held part of the city | :03:37. | :03:39. | |
The polls have opened in Hungary in a referendum called | :03:40. | :03:46. | |
by the country's Prime Minister to challenge migrant quotas. | :03:47. | :03:49. | |
Viktor Orban is expected to secure an overwhelming majority. | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
In the past year he's sealed southern borders with a razor-wire | :03:55. | :03:56. | |
fence patrolled by thousands of soldiers and police. | :03:57. | :04:03. | |
The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and their children have left Canada | :04:04. | :04:06. | |
In a statement, Prince William said they were incredibly grateful | :04:07. | :04:11. | |
to the country for the warmth and hospitality they'd been shown. | :04:12. | :04:17. | |
Back to you, Andrew, at the Conservative Party | :04:18. | :04:22. | |
And it is a deep-fried feast for politics addict. There's the front | :04:23. | :04:38. | |
page of the Sunday Times, Ken Clarke and his memoirs, and of course the | :04:39. | :04:43. | |
Prime Minister Theresa May fires the Brexit starting gun, that's what we | :04:44. | :04:47. | |
will be talking about probably all of the programme. May takes her acts | :04:48. | :04:53. | |
to EU law, and the Observer has a story from Nicky Morgan, who was | :04:54. | :05:02. | |
fired by Theresa May, hard Brexit will breed new bigotry. We will talk | :05:03. | :05:08. | |
about all of that, but we will start with the main piece of journalism of | :05:09. | :05:12. | |
the day, the interview with the Prime Minister in the Sunday Times. | :05:13. | :05:18. | |
Absolutely and she has told us at last how it will be done. She gives | :05:19. | :05:27. | |
a recipe for her mother's jam scone and not much more, except the Great | :05:28. | :05:32. | |
Repeal Bill. In a way there is less to this than meets the eye because | :05:33. | :05:35. | |
there was never any possibility we would decouple from the EU without | :05:36. | :05:40. | |
legislation, but in a way it is a risk for her to focus on it so early | :05:41. | :05:46. | |
because it makes us focus on how she will get it through Parliament. For | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
all of those watching saying what is this great repeal act, it is | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
basically saying from the minute we leave the EU, all EU laws cease to | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
apply and they are translated into British laws which can be repealed | :05:59. | :06:04. | |
or changed. Yes, it means we have our hat and gloves ready for when we | :06:05. | :06:09. | |
decide to go out the door. That is an interesting interview, as you say | :06:10. | :06:14. | |
not a lot of detail, and Anushka there is an interesting spread by | :06:15. | :06:17. | |
the Observer's political editor laying out the divisions inside the | :06:18. | :06:23. | |
Conservative Party. Hard Brexit and soft Brexit. That's right, Toby has | :06:24. | :06:28. | |
written this piece about the problems Theresa May may face when | :06:29. | :06:31. | |
it comes to getting this through. I think it is interesting because it | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
remembers that David Cameron came here to Birmingham for his first | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
conference as Conservative Prime Minister. Think back to this, he was | :06:40. | :06:44. | |
best mates with Nick Clegg back then, apparently he named the big | :06:45. | :06:49. | |
society ten times in his speech, and he told Tory MPs to stop banging on | :06:50. | :06:56. | |
about Europe. That worked well! Things have changed, today it is all | :06:57. | :07:02. | |
about Europe. I used the terrible jargon hard Brexit and soft Brexit, | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
which is a bit like left and right, wet and dry, but we don't know | :07:07. | :07:14. | |
exactly what it means. We know Brexit means Brexit, and now people | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
are talking about a good Brexit. It is the balance between immigration | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
and controlling our borders, and to do with economic access to the EU. | :07:23. | :07:26. | |
Those like Nicky Morgan looking for the soft Brexit want to prioritise | :07:27. | :07:32. | |
the economy and say we may not be able to control our borders as much | :07:33. | :07:39. | |
as some may hope. So do a deal, stay inside the tariff free single market | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
is soft Brexit, and hard Brexit is walk away and start the new world. | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
Get out now, and repeal the laws we don't want to be part of. But as | :07:49. | :07:52. | |
Matthew says, it will be difficult to do that because the laws come | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
into British law and then Theresa May has got to go through Parliament | :07:58. | :08:00. | |
to get rid of anything she wants to. In a way it is a triumph for the | :08:01. | :08:05. | |
people who have been writing for years about Europe, and Christopher | :08:06. | :08:08. | |
Booker in the Sunday Telegraph has been banging on about this for years | :08:09. | :08:14. | |
and his moment has come. Here is one of them, Christopher Booker is so | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
anti-European and has been so anti-European for so long he has his | :08:19. | :08:26. | |
own column in the Sunday Telegraph. I wouldn't say he's getting cold | :08:27. | :08:30. | |
feet but he is beginning to think, well he describes hard Brexit as | :08:31. | :08:37. | |
plunging us over a cliff. The hard Brexit people, you will know, don't | :08:38. | :08:41. | |
want to call it hard Brexit, they want to call it clean Brexit. | :08:42. | :08:47. | |
Sensible Brexit or nice Brexit versus fair Brexit. That's even | :08:48. | :08:52. | |
worse. One of the key pro-European figures right back to the Margaret | :08:53. | :08:56. | |
Thatcher days has produced memoirs, Ken Clarke is always good for a good | :08:57. | :09:01. | |
quote. He will be on the show next week I sincerely hope, but he has an | :09:02. | :09:07. | |
interview again in the Sunday Times. These are extracts from his new | :09:08. | :09:11. | |
book. I don't think you're supposed to use the word legend when you are | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
talking about somebody who is alive, but Ken Clarke is a legend. He says | :09:17. | :09:20. | |
what he thinks and he doesn't care. Yes, he does! We can have an | :09:21. | :09:27. | |
overdose of him in this new book and in this extract the docs about his | :09:28. | :09:31. | |
relationship with Theresa May. He says they couldn't be more | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
different. She used to say I lock them up, he lets them out, that's | :09:36. | :09:41. | |
when he was just a secretary. He remembers back to a conference | :09:42. | :09:44. | |
previously when they had a row over a cat, whether a cat had been used | :09:45. | :09:49. | |
to talk about someone's human rights. I love this memory, he talks | :09:50. | :09:55. | |
about the cartoons in the newspapers of his Hush Puppies and Theresa | :09:56. | :09:59. | |
May's kitten heels attacking each other. Ken Clarke's unguarded | :10:00. | :10:08. | |
remarks are very cleverly pondered beforehand. I once asked him why | :10:09. | :10:14. | |
didn't you complain when Sky broadcast what you said, and he | :10:15. | :10:24. | |
said, because I think it. He has said many things when he didn't know | :10:25. | :10:31. | |
the microphone was on. Here is a policy being discussed in the Sunday | :10:32. | :10:36. | |
Mirror, Matthew. A very humane and shrewd start of the Tory conference. | :10:37. | :10:43. | |
Tories end cruel benefit tests for long-term sick. It probably won't | :10:44. | :10:46. | |
cost any money because you have got to pay, the Government has got to | :10:47. | :10:51. | |
pay for the tests. You can imagine how that was brought in in David | :10:52. | :10:55. | |
Cameron's day, somebody said let's crack down on malingerers who are | :10:56. | :11:00. | |
not ill any longer but hasn't said so. Everybody says let's do that, | :11:01. | :11:05. | |
then Theresa May will stop making these people go back for test every | :11:06. | :11:17. | |
six months, it is a gift that keeps on giving. And Iain Duncan Smith has | :11:18. | :11:20. | |
said he wishes he was still there and could do it himself. A bigger | :11:21. | :11:23. | |
problem perhaps for Theresa May is this inquiry into child abuse and | :11:24. | :11:25. | |
its aspects across Britain which seems to be falling to pieces. This | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
is quite shocking, this inquiry set up by Theresa May when she was Home | :11:30. | :11:32. | |
Secretary, after we had those allegations that start with all we | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
learnt about Jimmy Savile and these allegations about people in | :11:37. | :11:43. | |
political life. It is falling apart, it has had four people leading it so | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
far, now we have had three of the leading lawyers stepping away. Ben | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
Emmerson, but also two others from his team. We don't really know what | :11:53. | :11:55. | |
happened but there's a lot of criticism that one of the problems | :11:56. | :12:00. | |
is it is too broad, there's no time limit and there is no kind of | :12:01. | :12:04. | |
precise brief as to what they should be trying to get out of it. | :12:05. | :12:08. | |
Increasingly people are saying we won't get anywhere if we carry on | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
this. Is there a moral about public inquiry is generally in this, that | :12:14. | :12:16. | |
if they are very specific they may work, but the bigger they go, the | :12:17. | :12:25. | |
worse they are. This is a big thing to get to the bottom of, and it can | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
often be very difficult because of the people you are dealing with. | :12:30. | :12:34. | |
This it is Theresa May's inquiry and it will be interesting to see if she | :12:35. | :12:39. | |
still takes ownership of it. If she is not clean it will carry on, I | :12:40. | :12:42. | |
think she will leave it to the Home Secretary. Amber Rudd, to deal with. | :12:43. | :12:49. | |
It is easy to forget there have been big political stories across Europe | :12:50. | :12:54. | |
at the moment, probably no more bigger than in Hungary, under a very | :12:55. | :12:59. | |
anti-migrant leader, Viktor Orban, and they have a referendum on. Yes, | :13:00. | :13:05. | |
they have these huge walls keeping the migrants out and this is a | :13:06. | :13:12. | |
rather disturbing development that countries just have advisory | :13:13. | :13:17. | |
referendums, which basically put two fingers up to the European Union but | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
because they are only advisory you cannot stop them doing it. When the | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
Hungary Aryans get the huge majority I think they will get against taking | :13:26. | :13:32. | |
a quota of refugees, it will strengthen Hungary's negotiating | :13:33. | :13:34. | |
position. And they were traditionally the front line against | :13:35. | :13:39. | |
the Ottoman Empire and so forth, and a particular edge to the migration | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
problem for that reason. Yes, they don't mind using the term Christian | :13:45. | :13:50. | |
in an unashamed way. I think possibly the Hungarians are more of | :13:51. | :13:53. | |
a problem for Brussels when we are at the moment. Donald Trump, again | :13:54. | :13:58. | |
he marches on. A few months ago we were saying he is wobbling, Hillary | :13:59. | :14:05. | |
Clinton is coming back again, but he's extraordinarily resilient in | :14:06. | :14:09. | |
terms of the polls. There's only three points in it according to | :14:10. | :14:16. | |
these polls. Donald Trump is on 44.4%, he cannot stop shocking us. | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
It is this beauty queen story that I confess I find puzzling to work out. | :14:22. | :14:27. | |
I have to say women's rights are something I am passionate about. And | :14:28. | :14:33. | |
he probably is not. I don't think so. This comes after a Twitter row | :14:34. | :14:39. | |
with someone he described as Miss Piggy but now people at his former | :14:40. | :14:43. | |
golf club said he used to complain that some of the women who worked | :14:44. | :14:49. | |
there were not pretty enough or too fat. But what you have got to know | :14:50. | :14:55. | |
about him is that he's not trying to win over people like me or you, | :14:56. | :15:00. | |
because quite a lot of people like what he is. But I suspect if you | :15:01. | :15:04. | |
talk to some of those individual people, they wouldn't agree on | :15:05. | :15:10. | |
points. There is Purgatory in the papers, Amber Rudd, Home Secretary. | :15:11. | :15:16. | |
She has written an ode to safe sex. Think of now and our romance, O | :15:17. | :15:21. | |
darling you are less appealing, what you say is so revealing, if risk is | :15:22. | :15:27. | |
your mood and speech, how about bingo on the beach? Three cheers for | :15:28. | :15:33. | |
trying. And finally not on the safe sex scene, but on the sexy dancing | :15:34. | :15:39. | |
theme, the rooster that is Ed Balls worries on delighting the country in | :15:40. | :15:44. | |
Strictly Come Dancing. It is great, suddenly Ed Balls is human, | :15:45. | :15:48. | |
everybody loves him and his not that good at dancing. I love some of the | :15:49. | :15:52. | |
quotes from the judges, I cannot believe it, said Bruno, what a | :15:53. | :15:59. | |
compact, Tony Blair would be proud. Then Darcey Bussell, you were losing | :16:00. | :16:03. | |
character, I didn't think I would see that musical bounce through your | :16:04. | :16:07. | |
body all the way through. That is a site I don't wish to see again. What | :16:08. | :16:12. | |
is the great scoop I will get from Theresa May, if she said she was | :16:13. | :16:16. | |
going to go on Strictly Come Dancing that will secure the headlines all | :16:17. | :16:18. | |
day and all week. Thank you, both. Now to the weather. It is beautiful | :16:19. | :16:28. | |
today as we head towards proper Autumn. It is going to be hard to | :16:29. | :16:30. | |
more soft bottom. What a difference a day makes. We do | :16:31. | :16:42. | |
have some patchy mist and fog around northern areas. A lovely weather | :16:43. | :16:50. | |
watcher picture. The fog is lifting and because the sun is out, there | :16:51. | :16:55. | |
will be a lot. We so have some light showers in Cornwall and | :16:56. | :16:59. | |
Pembrokeshire. Those are moving away during the morning. A bit of fair | :17:00. | :17:11. | |
weather cloud bubbling up. Temperatures will be 14 or 15. | :17:12. | :17:16. | |
Overnight, the temperatures will drop quickly. There will be a breeze | :17:17. | :17:22. | |
towards the West. Further east we will have clear skies. The | :17:23. | :17:28. | |
temperatures will be close to freezing and there could be mist and | :17:29. | :17:36. | |
fog patches. For a while, there will be more clothes for Northern | :17:37. | :17:40. | |
Ireland. Labia spot of rain. Essentially, it is a dry and fine | :17:41. | :17:50. | |
day. -- maybe a spot of rain. It is a quiet weather week ahead. | :17:51. | :17:55. | |
Throughout the EU referendum, Downing Street was at the centre | :17:56. | :17:58. | |
of a raw, often tetchy and ultimately unsuccessful struggle | :17:59. | :18:00. | |
to keep the Tory party and the nation on board for the EU. | :18:01. | :18:03. | |
David Cameron aside, one of the key players throughout | :18:04. | :18:05. | |
was his communications director Craig Oliver, knighted recently. | :18:06. | :18:07. | |
He's just published his account of those hectic months, | :18:08. | :18:09. | |
Craig, or is it certainly? It is circling but I'm very happy for you | :18:10. | :18:28. | |
to call me Craig. People are quite squeamish about using titles they | :18:29. | :18:32. | |
get. They are given an honour and then are squeamish. I am not | :18:33. | :18:36. | |
squeamish, it is one of those things. Somebody said, why is this | :18:37. | :18:42. | |
not on the title of your book? Sir Alex Ferguson did not use it on his | :18:43. | :18:47. | |
title, and the thought never occurred to me. One of the things | :18:48. | :18:53. | |
that comes out of that period and the period you describe is | :18:54. | :18:59. | |
dishonesty. There are three examples where the government was dishonest, | :19:00. | :19:02. | |
I would say. They come directly from your book. The first is when Cameron | :19:03. | :19:09. | |
said under different circumstances he might lead a campaign to leave | :19:10. | :19:18. | |
Europe. Reading your book, that is completely inconceivable and in | :19:19. | :19:22. | |
fact, even before the negotiations have started you are organising what | :19:23. | :19:28. | |
would become the Remain campaign. I don't think it was inconceivable. | :19:29. | :19:32. | |
There were points when he was very frustrated with Europe. The big | :19:33. | :19:37. | |
question was whether this was an organisation capable of change. That | :19:38. | :19:41. | |
only emerged over time and he was only able to see that over time. | :19:42. | :19:46. | |
What you've got to remember is during this period, business leaders | :19:47. | :19:51. | |
and economists were coming out with reports saying they were concerned | :19:52. | :19:56. | |
about it. It was across a spectrum over time. Another example, a more | :19:57. | :20:03. | |
direct one, David Cameron came onto this programme, and I said if you | :20:04. | :20:10. | |
lose, will you stay on as prim minister? He looked me in the eye | :20:11. | :20:14. | |
and he said, definitely. That was always nonsense. You were asking him | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
to speculate about his future and he answered the question at the time. | :20:20. | :20:24. | |
The reality is you can only judge circumstances is they actually | :20:25. | :20:28. | |
happened and when you approach those circumstances he took the decision | :20:29. | :20:30. | |
that actually it would not be the right thing for him to do. To hold | :20:31. | :20:36. | |
them to account for something he said a few weeks before when the | :20:37. | :20:40. | |
reality of this situation was impacting on him was very different. | :20:41. | :20:46. | |
But you say in the book in his heart there were almost no circumstances | :20:47. | :20:49. | |
in which he would stay and yet he was saying publicly he would stay. | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
It is a simple thing, directly dishonest. I'm describing the moment | :20:55. | :21:01. | |
when he is facing defeat and learns that he is defeated and in his heart | :21:02. | :21:06. | |
he knew that he could not stay on. We discussed it and we thought about | :21:07. | :21:15. | |
it. You think when I asked him about that he thought he could stay on. I | :21:16. | :21:20. | |
think he thought there were circumstances when he could stay on | :21:21. | :21:23. | |
and the reality is had he said, I will leave, that would have changed | :21:24. | :21:31. | |
a lot. But he did believe there were circumstances. This is what leads | :21:32. | :21:38. | |
cynicism about politics, politicians don't give honest, direct answers. | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
And they give correct answers that are correct at the time. He was a | :21:44. | :21:47. | |
human being faced with the reality of that loss and it is only about | :21:48. | :21:52. | |
moment that you can truly know. A third example was when Boris Johnson | :21:53. | :21:58. | |
announced he was involved in the Leave campaign that only nine | :21:59. | :22:02. | |
minutes previously he'd sent a text to the Prime Minister telling him | :22:03. | :22:07. | |
what he was going to do. That seemed like bad behaviour and coloured our | :22:08. | :22:11. | |
view of Boris Johnson for a long time. It turns out he had been | :22:12. | :22:15. | |
detecting and e-mailing the Prime Minister about his agonising choice | :22:16. | :22:20. | |
for some time. -- sending text messages. Let me clear what happened | :22:21. | :22:24. | |
up, when we came back from the renegotiation on the morning we were | :22:25. | :22:27. | |
discussing what David Cameron would say. There was a message came in and | :22:28. | :22:33. | |
he stopped, he looked at his phone and spent some time reading the | :22:34. | :22:36. | |
message and he looked up and said, it is out. We knew that he was | :22:37. | :22:43. | |
talking about Boris. He went through a very human, very well argued and | :22:44. | :22:51. | |
human message. A few hours later I received a phone call saying, not | :22:52. | :22:54. | |
said anything about Boris being out you? I had not. He was saying that | :22:55. | :23:02. | |
Boris was at that point saying he could be reconsidering. He was not | :23:03. | :23:06. | |
so sure. We were in a period of not going which way he was going to go. | :23:07. | :23:11. | |
The final confirmation came nine minutes before. We could have | :23:12. | :23:16. | |
revealed the extent to which he was wobbling all over the place like a | :23:17. | :23:20. | |
wonky shopping trolley, as he described it himself, but we chose | :23:21. | :23:24. | |
not to. I think that was an honourable thing to do. It made it | :23:25. | :23:28. | |
look as if he'd kept the Prime Minister in the dark until the last | :23:29. | :23:32. | |
minute. Which would have been better? That we had revealed? It is | :23:33. | :23:37. | |
always better that you reveal. I don't think Boris would have thanked | :23:38. | :23:43. | |
us for that. Let's turn to Michael Gove, you are very harsh on him. You | :23:44. | :23:50. | |
said he was a destructive game player who suffers from a vaulting | :23:51. | :23:54. | |
ambition and preparedness to mislead. Did he realise what the | :23:55. | :24:02. | |
British people thought, he had a principled position against the EU | :24:03. | :24:06. | |
which you did not have as he was right and you were all wrong? I | :24:07. | :24:11. | |
think we did have principled positions. I'm not questioning that | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
Michael Gove is a Eurosceptic. That is a legitimate position. But let's | :24:16. | :24:19. | |
look at some of the things that happened and why I describe them in | :24:20. | :24:24. | |
that way. Two days before he announced he was going to be chair | :24:25. | :24:30. | |
of the Leave campaign, he said he would not be taking a leading role. | :24:31. | :24:36. | |
When he was part of that it was questioning policies that were only | :24:37. | :24:41. | |
tangentially related to Europe. He questioned the integrity of the | :24:42. | :24:44. | |
Prime Minister, saying that he was corroding public trust. That was not | :24:45. | :24:50. | |
behaviour that we necessarily expected from them. Let's ask about | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
Theresa May because she appears on the edges of the story again and | :24:56. | :25:00. | |
again. You describe her as a submarine under the water. You're | :25:01. | :25:03. | |
never sure which way she's going to go. Somebody once says, we're not | :25:04. | :25:08. | |
sure if she is working for the other side. You are pretty negative about | :25:09. | :25:12. | |
her. Is the truth that actually, she saw it better than you guys? She put | :25:13. | :25:19. | |
out a statement saying she did not want to insult people's intelligence | :25:20. | :25:23. | |
by claiming everything is perfect about the EU or that the sky will | :25:24. | :25:27. | |
fall in if we vote to leave. You would not let her say that. What I | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
was happy for her to do was to express their opinions and say what | :25:33. | :25:35. | |
was right and she was sincere in those and that was acceptable. In | :25:36. | :25:39. | |
the book, I describe what it was like to be in the middle of that | :25:40. | :25:43. | |
vultures campaign. It was difficult in the lead up to that campaign | :25:44. | :25:46. | |
having a Home Secretary not reveal which side she was on. When she did | :25:47. | :25:52. | |
reveal what's IT was on it was 51-49 and very equivocal. -- what side she | :25:53. | :25:58. | |
was on. It is perfectly legitimate for her to do that. What the book | :25:59. | :26:03. | |
was doing is recounting what it was like to be part of this. And during | :26:04. | :26:08. | |
that story, again and again and again, you are very angry about what | :26:09. | :26:16. | |
you call the lies of the Leave side, and yet from your point of view, | :26:17. | :26:19. | |
terrible things were said which turned out not to be true, the | :26:20. | :26:24. | |
punishment budget, we were going to have a ferocious budget if we voted | :26:25. | :26:30. | |
to leave. That's not happened. Let us take two links. You are saying | :26:31. | :26:34. | |
about the leave campaign. We were prepared to say that the NHS claims | :26:35. | :26:42. | |
were not true. There is going to be an EU army. Turkey is going to be | :26:43. | :26:50. | |
forced to join. Millions of people will come to this country. That is | :26:51. | :26:53. | |
not true. I'm dealing with this point. In terms of our site, the | :26:54. | :27:02. | |
punishment budget was George Osborne saying, independent economic experts | :27:03. | :27:06. | |
were saying there will be a ?30 billion black hole in the economy. | :27:07. | :27:12. | |
You can do that by raising tactics, -- raising taxes, or you can raise | :27:13. | :27:20. | |
borrowing. Nothing has happened, we are members of the EU on the same | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
terms as the 23rd of June. But there has been some good economic news but | :27:26. | :27:31. | |
also the currency has dropped 15%, we've had growth forecast downgraded | :27:32. | :27:35. | |
and we've also had the Chancellor of the Exchequer saying that he's going | :27:36. | :27:40. | |
to reset fiscal policy. That sounds like a lot more borrowing to me. | :27:41. | :27:48. | |
Let's wait and see. Thank you for joining us. Very interesting book. | :27:49. | :27:51. | |
Dominic Cooper made his name as one of Alan Bennett's History Boys | :27:52. | :27:54. | |
alongside his best friend James Corden. | :27:55. | :27:56. | |
He's starred in the film version of Mamma Mia, | :27:57. | :27:58. | |
played Saddam Hussein's son and is now back in London's West End | :27:59. | :28:01. | |
as The Libertine, John Wilmot, Earl of Rochester, poet, | :28:02. | :28:03. | |
When we met recently, Dominic Cooper began by telling me | :28:04. | :28:06. | |
about his latest screen success in the TV series Preacher, | :28:07. | :28:08. | |
You know it's a sin just to ask for that? | :28:09. | :28:21. | |
I'm the preacher of this small town and I get consumed or this energy | :28:22. | :28:32. | |
called Genesis enters my body and can't exist anywhere else. | :28:33. | :28:36. | |
Which has come from outer space? | :28:37. | :28:38. | |
It is a very, very strange piece of TV, but it was a huge hit | :28:39. | :28:45. | |
in the States, why do you think that is? | :28:46. | :28:47. | |
It reminded me when I first read it of something I used to love - | :28:48. | :28:51. | |
Twin Peaks when it first came out, or early Tarantino work, | :28:52. | :28:53. | |
and it was the people who made Breaking Bad. | :28:54. | :28:55. | |
I thought if anyone is going to make this man like this, | :28:56. | :28:58. | |
they are the people to do it, and from what I've seen they've done | :28:59. | :29:02. | |
And it's crucial to your character, he's a man who is struggling | :29:03. | :29:13. | |
with whether or not God exists, and struggling with his own belief, | :29:14. | :29:16. | |
which takes us to the stage play you're doing - Rochester, | :29:17. | :29:19. | |
We have John Wilmot, Earl of Rochester. | :29:20. | :29:23. | |
If somebody wrote a cartoon book about whom no one would believe it. | :29:24. | :29:26. | |
One of the most extraordinary figures in English poetry. | :29:27. | :29:28. | |
I always find it hard to imagine where we are now to believe | :29:29. | :29:33. | |
that anyone like that who was so forward-thinking | :29:34. | :29:35. | |
in his time existed then, so many years ago. | :29:36. | :29:39. | |
I don't think you would, you certainly wouldn't be able | :29:40. | :29:40. | |
to write a comic depicting a man that existed then who was doing | :29:41. | :29:43. | |
Blasphemer, libels the king, a filthy poet, probably an atheist, | :29:44. | :29:51. | |
may have had a deathbed conversion back to Christianity or not, | :29:52. | :29:54. | |
we don't know, dies at 33 of syphilis, cross-dresser, | :29:55. | :29:58. | |
first poem in the English language in praise of sodomy... | :29:59. | :30:01. | |
Now you put it like that, it's wonderful. | :30:02. | :30:06. | |
Yes, all those things, which is why I had to play him. | :30:07. | :30:12. | |
And it's a very physically demanding role, isn't it? | :30:13. | :30:15. | |
Yes, I've never experienced anything so versatile in that way. | :30:16. | :30:22. | |
I don't stop talking and I don't stop physically moving around | :30:23. | :30:24. | |
But that's him, his energy, his emphaticness and his enthusiasm | :30:25. | :30:29. | |
towards life at the beginning, which slowly... | :30:30. | :30:33. | |
Rather rapidly deteriorates, is what makes the man or the man | :30:34. | :30:37. | |
If you read his poetry, his love letters he wrote | :30:38. | :30:43. | |
to his mistress or his wife, they are beautiful and you see that | :30:44. | :30:47. | |
side of him, you see a true part of the man, | :30:48. | :30:50. | |
then you learn what he was like in his younger years | :30:51. | :30:53. | |
when he travelled Europe and the chaos he got up to. | :30:54. | :30:58. | |
And then, for me, very much the relationship he had | :30:59. | :31:00. | |
with his father and with the king, and he never | :31:01. | :31:05. | |
really got over the loss of his father, and he blamed it on the | :31:06. | :31:08. | |
He almost wanted to taste everything and experience everything | :31:09. | :31:11. | |
and take everything as far as possible, | :31:12. | :31:13. | |
must always exceed otherwise I don't feel like I'm alive. | :31:14. | :31:19. | |
But he could never reach those heights. | :31:20. | :31:26. | |
You have had some great roles but one of the | :31:27. | :31:28. | |
greatest was Uday Hussein, Saddam Hussein's psychotic son. | :31:29. | :31:37. | |
Tell me about that character, in terms of | :31:38. | :31:38. | |
That was in relation to his father, and if | :31:39. | :31:45. | |
you have a father like Saddam you don't have a | :31:46. | :31:48. | |
But he was an absolute monster, and it was very hard. | :31:49. | :31:55. | |
Whenever you play these characters, you've got to find some redeeming | :31:56. | :32:01. | |
qualities that other people saw in them that they could exist with, | :32:02. | :32:09. | |
You have to find the human truth because there must | :32:10. | :32:15. | |
have been a glimmer of something good somewhere. | :32:16. | :32:17. | |
Something that is so repressed deep down, some dark, | :32:18. | :32:21. | |
nasty, vile thing that happened to them as children or that you | :32:22. | :32:24. | |
experienced and you need to access that. | :32:25. | :32:27. | |
Nobody must know this, | :32:28. | :32:35. | |
Tell anybody and I will have to cut your tongue out. | :32:36. | :32:39. | |
You were not born with a golden spoon in your | :32:40. | :32:42. | |
mouth, you did not go to Eton, you needed | :32:43. | :32:47. | |
bursaries and help to get into acting. | :32:48. | :32:49. | |
You said recently London is becoming a | :32:50. | :32:51. | |
really tough place for actors young actors who are not already rich | :32:52. | :32:54. | |
I luckily live at home because I'm from London. | :32:55. | :33:00. | |
How on earth many of the students came from elsewhere paying | :33:01. | :33:03. | |
Yes, I did say in that interview, I hope what makes | :33:04. | :33:09. | |
this city so beautiful and wonderful and interesting and | :33:10. | :33:11. | |
intriguing to be part of, which is much to do with the art, | :33:12. | :33:14. | |
is not pushing the artists out to a point | :33:15. | :33:16. | |
where they won't exist anymore and the city will become | :33:17. | :33:19. | |
Thank you very much for talking to us. | :33:20. | :33:27. | |
Dominic Cooper, one of our most interesting and versatile actors. | :33:28. | :33:31. | |
Now a look at what's coming up after this programme... | :33:32. | :33:33. | |
Coming up on Sunday Morning Live: Sam Allardyce says 'entrapment has | :33:34. | :33:36. | |
A baby with three genetic parents is unveiled - | :33:37. | :33:40. | |
we ask where is this line of research taking us. | :33:41. | :33:45. | |
And we have Harris J, who's been called the Muslim Justin | :33:46. | :33:48. | |
And without more ado - she doesn't like fuss - | :33:49. | :33:58. | |
You are announcing today this Great Repeal Bill, can you start off by | :33:59. | :34:08. | |
explaining what it means. Yes, when the United Kingdom joined the | :34:09. | :34:12. | |
European Union, legislation was passed in the European Communities | :34:13. | :34:15. | |
Act which enshrined that relationship we have is a member of | :34:16. | :34:19. | |
the European Union. What we will be doing with the Great Repeal Bill is | :34:20. | :34:23. | |
repealing that European Communities Act. That means the UK will be an | :34:24. | :34:28. | |
independent sovereign nation making its own laws. I cannot quite work | :34:29. | :34:34. | |
out, is this a statement of the blindingly obvious? In other words | :34:35. | :34:38. | |
we know we are leaving the EU, and at that point EU law ceases to | :34:39. | :34:44. | |
apply, but is it such a big deal really? It is an important step we | :34:45. | :34:48. | |
are taking because firstly it makes it very clear to the British people | :34:49. | :34:53. | |
who voted for us to leave the EU that is exactly what we are doing. | :34:54. | :34:58. | |
Secondly it gives that greater degree of clarity about the sort of | :34:59. | :35:03. | |
timetables we are following. And crucially, it is important for us to | :35:04. | :35:07. | |
set this out now so we have the timing so when we leave the European | :35:08. | :35:12. | |
Union there is a smooth transition. I think that is important, | :35:13. | :35:15. | |
particularly for the economy and business. So all of those European | :35:16. | :35:22. | |
laws people have been complaining about for years, they become British | :35:23. | :35:28. | |
laws? We will take European law into UK law, then because we will be | :35:29. | :35:31. | |
independent and sovereign in relation to this, we will be able to | :35:32. | :35:36. | |
decide on those laws. Parliament will be able to decide whether we | :35:37. | :35:40. | |
wish to change those or keep those laws and I think it is important to | :35:41. | :35:45. | |
bring that body of law into UK law because it is that which protects | :35:46. | :35:54. | |
workers' writes. I can see a lot of MPs saying rather than incorporating | :35:55. | :35:58. | |
this into UK law, I would like to change it. Are you sure you will be | :35:59. | :36:02. | |
able to get this bill through the House of Commons? It is an important | :36:03. | :36:09. | |
step in leaving the European Union. Parliament voted 6-1 to give the | :36:10. | :36:12. | |
British people the choice as to whether to stay in the EU or leave. | :36:13. | :36:19. | |
People voted, they want us to leave. This is an important step, and in | :36:20. | :36:24. | |
terms of getting this through, I think it is important we have this | :36:25. | :36:29. | |
in place so there is a smooth transition, so workers know their | :36:30. | :36:32. | |
rights are protected, businesses know where they stand, then we will | :36:33. | :36:36. | |
be able to make our laws and determine whether we want to change | :36:37. | :36:41. | |
them. In terms of the brutal politics, there are lots of | :36:42. | :36:44. | |
opposition MPs who might want to vote this down, and a lot of Tories | :36:45. | :36:47. | |
on the so-called soft Brexit argument who might want to vote this | :36:48. | :36:52. | |
down. You may not be able to get this through, and if you can't is | :36:53. | :36:57. | |
that the trigger for another general election? As I have just said, when | :36:58. | :37:03. | |
Parliament voted for a referendum on staying in the EU, Parliament voted | :37:04. | :37:08. | |
6-1 to say to the British people, this is your choice, you give your | :37:09. | :37:13. | |
voice. The British people have determined that we will leave the | :37:14. | :37:16. | |
European Union and I think anybody looking at this Great Repeal Bill, | :37:17. | :37:22. | |
which will make us that independent sovereign nation once again, anybody | :37:23. | :37:27. | |
looking at that should remember this is about delivering for the British | :37:28. | :37:31. | |
people, and to me it's not just about leaving the EU, it's about | :37:32. | :37:35. | |
that essential question of the trust people can live in their | :37:36. | :37:39. | |
politicians. The people have spoken, we will deliver. Again, some MPs may | :37:40. | :37:46. | |
say hold on, we have no idea at all what kind of Wrexham you are taking | :37:47. | :37:51. | |
us to, why should we give you a blank check before you set out on | :37:52. | :37:56. | |
it? Of course we will be starting the negotiations once we have | :37:57. | :38:00. | |
triggered Article 50, but I think it is important as we go through that | :38:01. | :38:04. | |
process of negotiation, I want to get the right deal for the British | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
people. I'm not as mystic about the opportunities available to the UK, | :38:10. | :38:14. | |
we want the right deal for our continuing relationship with | :38:15. | :38:19. | |
countries and inside the EU and with the EU itself, but it is not right | :38:20. | :38:24. | |
to give a running commentary or set out at every stage what are | :38:25. | :38:27. | |
negotiating hand is because you don't get a good deal if that's how | :38:28. | :38:32. | |
you approach it. Do we actually need negotiations with the EU? I think we | :38:33. | :38:38. | |
want to negotiate with them what the relationship will be. Life will be | :38:39. | :38:43. | |
different in the future, we will be that independent country, but | :38:44. | :38:46. | |
crucially we want still to have a good relationship with countries | :38:47. | :38:52. | |
inside the European Union and with the EU itself. That's important for | :38:53. | :38:58. | |
our economy, for jobs in the UK, for us to be able to continue working | :38:59. | :39:03. | |
with them on issues around crime and security. There are some of your own | :39:04. | :39:08. | |
MPs, Bernard Jenkin and others, who said we don't need a negotiation. | :39:09. | :39:14. | |
Article 50 will chart us in a series of talks, and actually all we need | :39:15. | :39:18. | |
to do now is say, we will not put tariffs on your goods coming in, we | :39:19. | :39:22. | |
don't expect you to put tariffs on our goods coming to you, take it or | :39:23. | :39:29. | |
leave it, goodbye. The process of leaving the European Union is quite | :39:30. | :39:34. | |
complex, we have got to look at a range of issues... Must it be | :39:35. | :39:40. | |
complex? There is complexity in our relationship with the EU at the | :39:41. | :39:45. | |
moment. I think we owe it to people in terms of their job and protection | :39:46. | :39:49. | |
of workers in the UK, we owe it to businesses, people who want to | :39:50. | :39:52. | |
invest in the UK in the future to make sure we get the right deal for | :39:53. | :39:57. | |
trade in goods and services and I think that's about sitting down with | :39:58. | :40:01. | |
the European Union. It's not just about what we want, I think we want | :40:02. | :40:06. | |
a strong EU that we can continue to trade with, they have an interest in | :40:07. | :40:10. | |
trading with us and that's how we will get the right deal for Britain. | :40:11. | :40:16. | |
You say no one in commentary, and all commentators gasp at that, but | :40:17. | :40:20. | |
much more importantly people who are making big investment decisions, | :40:21. | :40:23. | |
most recently Nissan say they cannot decide whether to invest more money | :40:24. | :40:28. | |
in new factories and products until they know roughly speaking where you | :40:29. | :40:33. | |
are going. Aren't you in danger by not giving commentary about which | :40:34. | :40:37. | |
kind of exit you want but you are starving Britain of investment? | :40:38. | :40:41. | |
There is a difference between not giving any commentary and giving | :40:42. | :40:46. | |
running commentary. Today I'm setting out some further detail on | :40:47. | :40:49. | |
the timing and the way we will approach this whole question and of | :40:50. | :40:53. | |
course the Great Repeal Bill. That will give people greater clarity, so | :40:54. | :40:58. | |
when I think it is right to be talking about the approach we are | :40:59. | :41:03. | |
taking, we of course will do that. But everybody assumes, commentators | :41:04. | :41:07. | |
want to have a day by day, what is it you are talking about now, that | :41:08. | :41:12. | |
is the wrong way to deal with the negotiation. Just now you talked | :41:13. | :41:17. | |
about timing which allows me to ask again about the timing of triggering | :41:18. | :41:21. | |
Article 50. Boris Johnson suggested maybe early next year, Donald Tusk | :41:22. | :41:27. | |
has suggested he thinks the same thing, are they right? I have been | :41:28. | :41:32. | |
saying we wouldn't trigger it before the end of this year, so we can get | :41:33. | :41:39. | |
some cooperation in place, but we will be triggering it before March | :41:40. | :41:48. | |
next year. And following that we have two years to conclude these | :41:49. | :41:55. | |
negotiations? Yes. So once you trigger Article 50, then what | :41:56. | :42:00. | |
happens? The remaining members of the EU have got to decide what the | :42:01. | :42:04. | |
process of negotiation is. I hope and I will be saying to them, now | :42:05. | :42:09. | |
they know what our timing will be, it is not an exact date but they | :42:10. | :42:13. | |
know it will be in the first quarter of next year, we will be able to | :42:14. | :42:17. | |
have some preparatory work so when the trigger comes we will have a | :42:18. | :42:21. | |
smooth the process of negotiation. It is not just important for the UK, | :42:22. | :42:30. | |
it is important for Europe as a whole that we are able to do this in | :42:31. | :42:34. | |
the best possible way so we have the least disruption for businesses. You | :42:35. | :42:36. | |
were talking about investors earlier in your questions. And when we leave | :42:37. | :42:41. | |
the EU, we have a smooth transition. Can I ask about Parliament itself | :42:42. | :42:44. | |
because all of this is about making Parliament sovereign, and yet at the | :42:45. | :42:48. | |
moment it suggests we will go through this negotiation and the | :42:49. | :42:52. | |
most important talks probably this country has had for generations, | :42:53. | :42:55. | |
without Parliament knowing what is going on. Parliament needs to know | :42:56. | :43:01. | |
stage by stage what is happening surely? The Great Repeal Bill we | :43:02. | :43:07. | |
have just been talking about, Parliament will be having its say on | :43:08. | :43:12. | |
that and at various stages we will be keeping Parliament informed. This | :43:13. | :43:17. | |
is not about keeping silent for two years, but it's about making sure we | :43:18. | :43:21. | |
are able to negotiate, that we don't set out all the cards in our | :43:22. | :43:25. | |
negotiation because as anybody will know who has been involved in these | :43:26. | :43:29. | |
things, if you do that upfront you don't get the right deal. What I'm | :43:30. | :43:36. | |
determined to do is get the right deal for Britain. The argument | :43:37. | :43:37. | |
running through the Conservative Party in Birmingham is about the | :43:38. | :43:42. | |
nature of the exit we negotiate. I know this soft and hard thing is | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
irritating jargon but nonetheless there is a truth there. There are | :43:47. | :43:51. | |
those who say it is important to keep tariff free market open, that | :43:52. | :43:55. | |
will require a detailed negotiation and we might have to concede stuff | :43:56. | :44:01. | |
to allow that to happen. Others say no, we turn our back on the EU in | :44:02. | :44:06. | |
effect, we say take it or leave it and we have a blanket ban on the | :44:07. | :44:10. | |
free movement of people from the rest of the EU. Can you give any | :44:11. | :44:17. | |
indication in which you are tending? When the vote took place, apart from | :44:18. | :44:21. | |
the message of leaving the European Union, I think there was also a | :44:22. | :44:25. | |
clear message from the British people that they wanted us to | :44:26. | :44:29. | |
control movement of people from the EU coming into the UK so we will | :44:30. | :44:34. | |
deliver on that. But I don't look at it in the terms you have set out. We | :44:35. | :44:38. | |
want to negotiate what we believe will be the right deal for the | :44:39. | :44:41. | |
British people, the right deal for Britain when we leave the EU. That's | :44:42. | :44:47. | |
about negotiating on things like trading in goods and services and | :44:48. | :44:50. | |
making sure we get that good deal. I don't look at it is it this model or | :44:51. | :44:57. | |
that one, I say what is going to be right for the UK, let's go and get | :44:58. | :45:02. | |
it. Let's talk about migration in particular. I can remember having a | :45:03. | :45:05. | |
discussion with you when you were Home Secretary. You were seething | :45:06. | :45:10. | |
with frustration because I kept saying you cannot control the number | :45:11. | :45:14. | |
of people going in and at that point you couldn't, but are you a clear | :45:15. | :45:18. | |
that after the vote people want complete control so you are able to | :45:19. | :45:22. | |
say as Prime Minister nobody comes in or actually it benefits us to get | :45:23. | :45:28. | |
70,000 engineers in, but the control will definitely be in Parliament and | :45:29. | :45:32. | |
there will be an end to the free movement of people in all | :45:33. | :45:33. | |
circumstances across the EU? What people that a government that | :45:34. | :45:43. | |
can set the rules of who comes into the country. The frustration was | :45:44. | :45:47. | |
people could come into the UK from the European Union. There are a | :45:48. | :45:52. | |
number of ways you can do this, and we need to look at what is best for | :45:53. | :45:58. | |
the UK. The important point is to have rules that are set by the | :45:59. | :46:02. | |
government so it is the UK Government who determines, and | :46:03. | :46:13. | |
ensures we have control. Those involved in universities, car | :46:14. | :46:16. | |
manufacturing, whatever it is, who are thinking, I need some more | :46:17. | :46:21. | |
people in, I need skilled workers, some kind of work permit system | :46:22. | :46:26. | |
might be a way forward? We will look at various ways in which we can | :46:27. | :46:32. | |
bring in the control the people would want. We will make sure the | :46:33. | :46:36. | |
brightest and best can come to the UK. You mentioned the word skills. | :46:37. | :46:44. | |
That lights up another issue, why it is we've not been skilling up people | :46:45. | :46:50. | |
in the UK to take on these jobs. I want to make sure we have a society | :46:51. | :46:56. | |
where everyone can go as far as their talents can take them. How | :46:57. | :47:05. | |
important is it that British business has access to the single | :47:06. | :47:10. | |
market. I want the right deal and what David Davis and his department | :47:11. | :47:14. | |
are doing is listening to businesses in the UK, finding out what it is | :47:15. | :47:22. | |
they find most important to them. I've been sitting there with big and | :47:23. | :47:26. | |
small British businesses and listened to investors in the UK. I | :47:27. | :47:35. | |
sat down with some investors and companies, those who are providing | :47:36. | :47:43. | |
jobs in the UK. We are listening to people and failure what it is most | :47:44. | :47:49. | |
important. This process starts, article 50 is triggered by the end | :47:50. | :47:54. | |
of March. By the end of March next year. You wanted this to be a moment | :47:55. | :48:00. | |
when you appealed to the middle, people pupil Robert yours -- people | :48:01. | :48:07. | |
who are making ends meet. All politicians want to win elections in | :48:08. | :48:13. | |
the centre ground, what more is it than warm words? You talk about the | :48:14. | :48:17. | |
centre ground, as a party we are building a new centre Brendan | :48:18. | :48:26. | |
British politics. -- a new centre in British politics. I want politics | :48:27. | :48:34. | |
that works for everyone, society that works for everyone so people | :48:35. | :48:38. | |
can have the opportunity to go where their talents take them. We started | :48:39. | :48:42. | |
setting that out in different areas, I've made a key speech on education | :48:43. | :48:46. | |
about ensuring young people are given the opportunity to develop | :48:47. | :48:51. | |
their talents. I want a society that I called a great meritocracy, | :48:52. | :48:54. | |
they're what matters about your future is how hard you work and your | :48:55. | :48:59. | |
talents, not where you come from or your parents, what your accent is. I | :49:00. | :49:08. | |
understand that. You raised grammar schools. What do you say to people | :49:09. | :49:12. | |
watching who say, we don't want to go back to 1955 and a stark | :49:13. | :49:16. | |
separation of children at the age of 11. Wonderful for those who are | :49:17. | :49:21. | |
chosen but could be very damaging or devastating for those who feel those | :49:22. | :49:29. | |
exams -- who did not pass. We're not going back to that system of binary | :49:30. | :49:34. | |
education. We're not going back to the 1950s. What will be different | :49:35. | :49:42. | |
is, we've had great success in improving schools. Academies and | :49:43. | :49:51. | |
free schools have had an impact. 1.4 million children are in schools | :49:52. | :49:55. | |
which are good or outstanding. But there are a quarter of a million in | :49:56. | :49:59. | |
schools that are underperforming. We need to increase the capacity of the | :50:00. | :50:03. | |
system and that's what my speech was about. We will be building on the | :50:04. | :50:11. | |
free school policies and continuing those but crucially, we are saying | :50:12. | :50:14. | |
we want universities to take more of an interest, the independent sector, | :50:15. | :50:21. | |
we are changing the rules on faith schools. I want to remove the ban we | :50:22. | :50:29. | |
have in our system, the legislation that says you cannot set up a | :50:30. | :50:34. | |
selective school. We all know in practice what happens out there is | :50:35. | :50:39. | |
the selection by house price. Or by well. I want to make sure that good | :50:40. | :50:43. | |
quality education is available across the board. Once you have | :50:44. | :50:52. | |
academic selection and children chosen, I come back to this brutal | :50:53. | :50:59. | |
thing that happened at 11, a lot of people saying you cannot go back to | :51:00. | :51:08. | |
that. It will not be completely binary, there will be different | :51:09. | :51:11. | |
types of schools providing education. What I've always said | :51:12. | :51:18. | |
throughout my political career, we want the education that is right for | :51:19. | :51:25. | |
every child. I think for those, the point about what we're doing is | :51:26. | :51:28. | |
removing the ban on selection and saying to grammar schools, if you | :51:29. | :51:33. | |
are setting up a school we want you to show that you are genuinely | :51:34. | :51:38. | |
reaching out across society in giving those opportunities to young | :51:39. | :51:46. | |
people and ensuring... Does that mean targets for less well-off kids? | :51:47. | :51:54. | |
It could mean a variety of things. We are consulting as to the best | :51:55. | :52:00. | |
approach on this. It will be about making sure that when schools are | :52:01. | :52:05. | |
expanding their reaching out, making sure the quality of education is | :52:06. | :52:08. | |
there through a system. It is also one of the other things in the | :52:09. | :52:13. | |
consultation was about how we identify those children for whom | :52:14. | :52:16. | |
free school meals has always been used as a measure in education. When | :52:17. | :52:24. | |
I was cheering and education committee we were talking about | :52:25. | :52:28. | |
other measures. Looking at how we identify those people not captured | :52:29. | :52:34. | |
by that who are struggling. If there's a huge new policy for the | :52:35. | :52:37. | |
whole of England? Are we going to see a grammar school in every small | :52:38. | :52:42. | |
town in England? This is about letting the system developed. The | :52:43. | :52:48. | |
government is taking off the ban on a particular type of school. It is | :52:49. | :52:54. | |
letting the system. People will come forward. The speech I made and the | :52:55. | :53:02. | |
announcement I made, everybody is focused on this but it is about | :53:03. | :53:06. | |
ensuring we have good school places for every child and the capacity of | :53:07. | :53:14. | |
the system across the board. Let's move onto one other thing. We used | :53:15. | :53:18. | |
to have an honours system in this country which meant people who'd | :53:19. | :53:21. | |
given back something extra to society, money to charity or time to | :53:22. | :53:27. | |
charity, got an honour. It was per people who'd really pretend | :53:28. | :53:30. | |
something above and beyond. We seem to have drifted into an honours | :53:31. | :53:33. | |
system which rewards people who are already rich and successful. They | :53:34. | :53:39. | |
are often famous and on telly. Or they've got friends in government. | :53:40. | :53:43. | |
Many people wonder whether it is a fair system. Would you like to see | :53:44. | :53:51. | |
it returned to a more basic system? If you look at any of the honours, | :53:52. | :53:58. | |
the vast majority are people who've given something to the local | :53:59. | :54:00. | |
community or been involved in charities. The focus is always on | :54:01. | :54:10. | |
the big names and the headlines in that sense. I agree that we want an | :54:11. | :54:20. | |
honours system that ensures we can recognise when people are | :54:21. | :54:24. | |
contributing to their communities. It takes me on to the question of | :54:25. | :54:28. | |
yourself. As I said at the beginning lots of people don't know who you | :54:29. | :54:33. | |
are. Can I ask you about your early upbringing? Were you stringent or | :54:34. | :54:45. | |
comfortably off? First of all, very happy and stable and I think what | :54:46. | :54:50. | |
was important was my parents always give me the message, whatever you | :54:51. | :54:53. | |
do, try and do your best. That's what I've followed throughout my | :54:54. | :54:59. | |
life. It was not... Brotherly Conservatives? We did not talk about | :55:00. | :55:07. | |
politics. I was brought up as an only child of a great interest in | :55:08. | :55:12. | |
current affairs. My father was a clergyman as you know. He took a | :55:13. | :55:15. | |
very simple view. He was the clergyman for the whole of this | :55:16. | :55:19. | |
parish, the local vicar, it was not right for him to set out his | :55:20. | :55:24. | |
politics, because he should be appealing and working with everybody | :55:25. | :55:30. | |
in his parish. I was limited as to what I was able to do publicly | :55:31. | :55:38. | |
because he wanted to make sure that there was nobody who felt they could | :55:39. | :55:42. | |
not approach him. You lost him and your mother very early on. I did | :55:43. | :55:46. | |
that affect you as a person and a politician? I did lose them both | :55:47. | :55:55. | |
very early. One after the other. I hope what I have continued to do I | :55:56. | :56:08. | |
would try to do the best in whatever job I do. Want to give back. I | :56:09. | :56:13. | |
learned a strong belief in public service and in trying to understand | :56:14. | :56:18. | |
what you need to do for other people. It is not just about what | :56:19. | :56:21. | |
you think. It is about getting out there and hearing from people, | :56:22. | :56:26. | |
listening to their voice. Delivering for them. Like Margaret Thatcher you | :56:27. | :56:32. | |
had a father who was a liberal just -- who was a religious leader, you | :56:33. | :56:37. | |
would describe yourself as a believing Christian, you came from a | :56:38. | :56:41. | |
family that was not very rich. As the Conservative Party better off | :56:42. | :56:46. | |
when it is led by someone from that background. The Conservative Party | :56:47. | :56:51. | |
has had leaders from all sorts of background. I think what David | :56:52. | :56:56. | |
Cameron did is really important, he took us into the first majority | :56:57. | :56:59. | |
government for nearly a quarter of a century and change the party whilst | :57:00. | :57:04. | |
doing that. Others, each leader will approach the leadership of the party | :57:05. | :57:10. | |
in their own way. But the party as a whole is strongest when it works for | :57:11. | :57:15. | |
everyone. It is strongest when it is reaching into every part of the | :57:16. | :57:21. | |
country and every part of society. This sounds to me like what George | :57:22. | :57:26. | |
Osborne said about representing the liberal mainstream. Why did you sack | :57:27. | :57:31. | |
him? He's contributed hugely to British politics over the last few | :57:32. | :57:40. | |
years, in government and opposition. And you sack him. I was put together | :57:41. | :57:45. | |
my team, I have a great deal of Cabinet ministers, we have great | :57:46. | :57:50. | |
discussions about the table, as we put policies together and share that | :57:51. | :57:53. | |
vision of a country that works for everyone. Warren -- can I ask you | :57:54. | :58:05. | |
about your cabinet, because people say you're returning it to an | :58:06. | :58:10. | |
old-fashioned one, discussing it around the table, by committee, | :58:11. | :58:14. | |
going back to the traditional Parliamentary style of government. | :58:15. | :58:20. | |
Is that accurate? We are looking at more Cabinet discussion. I've set up | :58:21. | :58:24. | |
three new subcommittees. Secretaries of state are coming together in | :58:25. | :58:27. | |
different groupings more frequently than they have in the past to look | :58:28. | :58:30. | |
different issues. I've said we will be a government that will work more | :58:31. | :58:40. | |
with green papers and white papers. We are hearing voices as we develop | :58:41. | :58:47. | |
policy. Do you think there was too much silver government? Too many | :58:48. | :58:51. | |
chums sitting around and not enough process? -- too much sofa | :58:52. | :59:00. | |
government. I think what we've done is the way that it is important to | :59:01. | :59:04. | |
take government forward. Over the last few years we've achieved a lot | :59:05. | :59:08. | |
as a Conservative government. One very final question. Everybody wants | :59:09. | :59:12. | |
to know, is your husband going to be on the platform when you make your | :59:13. | :59:15. | |
speech? I don't know why they want to know that. You'll have to wait | :59:16. | :59:21. | |
and see. On that note, thank you very much, Theresa May, Prime | :59:22. | :59:27. | |
Minister. Next week I'm going to speak to Ken Clarke, looking back on | :59:28. | :59:30. | |
his long life in politics. Andrea will be here in one hour, when his | :59:31. | :59:34. | |
guests will include Iain Duncan Smith. Thank you for now. -- Andrew | :59:35. | :59:38. | |
Neill. | :59:39. | :59:40. |