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Andrew Marr interviews key newsmakers and shines a light on what is happening in the world. His guests are prime minister Theresa May MP, Sir Craig Oliver and Dominic Cooper.


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Good morning from a crisply, sunny Birmingham.

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Britain will once more be an independent and sovereign nation.

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That's the Prime Minister's message to the Tory Conference

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But as she lays out her plans for leaving the EU, what do those

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Theresa May is still, frankly, the unknown

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Today we'll try to find out a little more.

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And speaking for the Tories' exiled regime, David Cameron's former

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communications director Sir Craig Oliver, who's written

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a book about how his former boss gambled and lost.

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And speaking of drama at Westminster,

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Dominic Cooper has been talking about playing London's wickedest

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And here on a hugely significant weekend in politics,

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to review the news, Anushka Asthana from the Guardian

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and Matthew Parris of the Times, who's been warning Mrs May

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All that coming up, but first the news with Sally Nugent.

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Prime Minister Theresa May has said that her Government will introduce

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a 'Great Repeal Bill' to begin the process for Britain's exit

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The announcement comes as the first Conservative Party conference

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since the referendum gets under way in Birmingham.

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Our Political Correspondent Carole Walker's report contains flash

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Theresa May arrived last night for her first party conference

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Keen to demonstrate her Government is getting

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She says shall begin the process of making the UK and sovereign

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and independent country with a Great Repeal Bill to overturn

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the legislation which took Britain into what was then

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The European Communities Act 1972, set out on vellum scroll, will be

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This will mean that all EU laws will be

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transferred into UK law and will no longer override domestic

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The new bill will be introduced next spring but it will

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not take effect until the moment Britain leaves the EU, and does not

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affect the formal process of negotiations under Article 50.

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The move to give the UK control over its

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own laws is exactly what many of the leading figures in campaign

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to leave the EU have been calling for, and it

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will delight many at this conference, but it still leaves

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questions over when the Prime Minister will trigger

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Article 50 to begin the formal negotiations and what the

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future deal. The new Prime Minister wants to use this conference

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domestic agenda under the slogan, "a country that works for everyone".

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But today's announcements won't stop all

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the discussions and arguments over Brexit.

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Gulf countries have urged the United Nations to intervene

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immediately in Syria to stop the aerial attacks

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The appeal came hours after a medical charity said

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the largest hospital in the rebel-held part of the city

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The polls have opened in Hungary in a referendum called

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by the country's Prime Minister to challenge migrant quotas.

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Viktor Orban is expected to secure an overwhelming majority.

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In the past year he's sealed southern borders with a razor-wire

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fence patrolled by thousands of soldiers and police.

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The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and their children have left Canada

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In a statement, Prince William said they were incredibly grateful

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to the country for the warmth and hospitality they'd been shown.

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Back to you, Andrew, at the Conservative Party

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And it is a deep-fried feast for politics addict. There's the front

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page of the Sunday Times, Ken Clarke and his memoirs, and of course the

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Prime Minister Theresa May fires the Brexit starting gun, that's what we

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will be talking about probably all of the programme. May takes her acts

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to EU law, and the Observer has a story from Nicky Morgan, who was

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fired by Theresa May, hard Brexit will breed new bigotry. We will talk

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about all of that, but we will start with the main piece of journalism of

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the day, the interview with the Prime Minister in the Sunday Times.

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Absolutely and she has told us at last how it will be done. She gives

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a recipe for her mother's jam scone and not much more, except the Great

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Repeal Bill. In a way there is less to this than meets the eye because

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there was never any possibility we would decouple from the EU without

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legislation, but in a way it is a risk for her to focus on it so early

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because it makes us focus on how she will get it through Parliament. For

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all of those watching saying what is this great repeal act, it is

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basically saying from the minute we leave the EU, all EU laws cease to

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apply and they are translated into British laws which can be repealed

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or changed. Yes, it means we have our hat and gloves ready for when we

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decide to go out the door. That is an interesting interview, as you say

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not a lot of detail, and Anushka there is an interesting spread by

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the Observer's political editor laying out the divisions inside the

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Conservative Party. Hard Brexit and soft Brexit. That's right, Toby has

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written this piece about the problems Theresa May may face when

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it comes to getting this through. I think it is interesting because it

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remembers that David Cameron came here to Birmingham for his first

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conference as Conservative Prime Minister. Think back to this, he was

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best mates with Nick Clegg back then, apparently he named the big

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society ten times in his speech, and he told Tory MPs to stop banging on

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about Europe. That worked well! Things have changed, today it is all

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about Europe. I used the terrible jargon hard Brexit and soft Brexit,

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which is a bit like left and right, wet and dry, but we don't know

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exactly what it means. We know Brexit means Brexit, and now people

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are talking about a good Brexit. It is the balance between immigration

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and controlling our borders, and to do with economic access to the EU.

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Those like Nicky Morgan looking for the soft Brexit want to prioritise

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the economy and say we may not be able to control our borders as much

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as some may hope. So do a deal, stay inside the tariff free single market

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is soft Brexit, and hard Brexit is walk away and start the new world.

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Get out now, and repeal the laws we don't want to be part of. But as

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Matthew says, it will be difficult to do that because the laws come

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into British law and then Theresa May has got to go through Parliament

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to get rid of anything she wants to. In a way it is a triumph for the

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people who have been writing for years about Europe, and Christopher

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Booker in the Sunday Telegraph has been banging on about this for years

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and his moment has come. Here is one of them, Christopher Booker is so

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anti-European and has been so anti-European for so long he has his

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own column in the Sunday Telegraph. I wouldn't say he's getting cold

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feet but he is beginning to think, well he describes hard Brexit as

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plunging us over a cliff. The hard Brexit people, you will know, don't

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want to call it hard Brexit, they want to call it clean Brexit.

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Sensible Brexit or nice Brexit versus fair Brexit. That's even

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worse. One of the key pro-European figures right back to the Margaret

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Thatcher days has produced memoirs, Ken Clarke is always good for a good

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quote. He will be on the show next week I sincerely hope, but he has an

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interview again in the Sunday Times. These are extracts from his new

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book. I don't think you're supposed to use the word legend when you are

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talking about somebody who is alive, but Ken Clarke is a legend. He says

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what he thinks and he doesn't care. Yes, he does! We can have an

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overdose of him in this new book and in this extract the docs about his

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relationship with Theresa May. He says they couldn't be more

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different. She used to say I lock them up, he lets them out, that's

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when he was just a secretary. He remembers back to a conference

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previously when they had a row over a cat, whether a cat had been used

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to talk about someone's human rights. I love this memory, he talks

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about the cartoons in the newspapers of his Hush Puppies and Theresa

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May's kitten heels attacking each other. Ken Clarke's unguarded

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remarks are very cleverly pondered beforehand. I once asked him why

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didn't you complain when Sky broadcast what you said, and he

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said, because I think it. He has said many things when he didn't know

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the microphone was on. Here is a policy being discussed in the Sunday

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Mirror, Matthew. A very humane and shrewd start of the Tory conference.

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Tories end cruel benefit tests for long-term sick. It probably won't

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cost any money because you have got to pay, the Government has got to

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pay for the tests. You can imagine how that was brought in in David

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Cameron's day, somebody said let's crack down on malingerers who are

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not ill any longer but hasn't said so. Everybody says let's do that,

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then Theresa May will stop making these people go back for test every

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six months, it is a gift that keeps on giving. And Iain Duncan Smith has

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said he wishes he was still there and could do it himself. A bigger

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problem perhaps for Theresa May is this inquiry into child abuse and

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its aspects across Britain which seems to be falling to pieces. This

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is quite shocking, this inquiry set up by Theresa May when she was Home

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Secretary, after we had those allegations that start with all we

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learnt about Jimmy Savile and these allegations about people in

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political life. It is falling apart, it has had four people leading it so

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far, now we have had three of the leading lawyers stepping away. Ben

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Emmerson, but also two others from his team. We don't really know what

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happened but there's a lot of criticism that one of the problems

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is it is too broad, there's no time limit and there is no kind of

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precise brief as to what they should be trying to get out of it.

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Increasingly people are saying we won't get anywhere if we carry on

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this. Is there a moral about public inquiry is generally in this, that

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if they are very specific they may work, but the bigger they go, the

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worse they are. This is a big thing to get to the bottom of, and it can

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often be very difficult because of the people you are dealing with.

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This it is Theresa May's inquiry and it will be interesting to see if she

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still takes ownership of it. If she is not clean it will carry on, I

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think she will leave it to the Home Secretary. Amber Rudd, to deal with.

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It is easy to forget there have been big political stories across Europe

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at the moment, probably no more bigger than in Hungary, under a very

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anti-migrant leader, Viktor Orban, and they have a referendum on. Yes,

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they have these huge walls keeping the migrants out and this is a

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rather disturbing development that countries just have advisory

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referendums, which basically put two fingers up to the European Union but

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because they are only advisory you cannot stop them doing it. When the

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Hungary Aryans get the huge majority I think they will get against taking

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a quota of refugees, it will strengthen Hungary's negotiating

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position. And they were traditionally the front line against

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the Ottoman Empire and so forth, and a particular edge to the migration

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problem for that reason. Yes, they don't mind using the term Christian

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in an unashamed way. I think possibly the Hungarians are more of

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a problem for Brussels when we are at the moment. Donald Trump, again

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he marches on. A few months ago we were saying he is wobbling, Hillary

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Clinton is coming back again, but he's extraordinarily resilient in

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terms of the polls. There's only three points in it according to

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these polls. Donald Trump is on 44.4%, he cannot stop shocking us.

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It is this beauty queen story that I confess I find puzzling to work out.

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I have to say women's rights are something I am passionate about. And

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he probably is not. I don't think so. This comes after a Twitter row

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with someone he described as Miss Piggy but now people at his former

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golf club said he used to complain that some of the women who worked

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there were not pretty enough or too fat. But what you have got to know

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about him is that he's not trying to win over people like me or you,

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because quite a lot of people like what he is. But I suspect if you

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talk to some of those individual people, they wouldn't agree on

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points. There is Purgatory in the papers, Amber Rudd, Home Secretary.

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She has written an ode to safe sex. Think of now and our romance, O

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darling you are less appealing, what you say is so revealing, if risk is

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your mood and speech, how about bingo on the beach? Three cheers for

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trying. And finally not on the safe sex scene, but on the sexy dancing

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theme, the rooster that is Ed Balls worries on delighting the country in

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Strictly Come Dancing. It is great, suddenly Ed Balls is human,

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everybody loves him and his not that good at dancing. I love some of the

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quotes from the judges, I cannot believe it, said Bruno, what a

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compact, Tony Blair would be proud. Then Darcey Bussell, you were losing

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character, I didn't think I would see that musical bounce through your

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body all the way through. That is a site I don't wish to see again. What

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is the great scoop I will get from Theresa May, if she said she was

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going to go on Strictly Come Dancing that will secure the headlines all

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day and all week. Thank you, both. Now to the weather. It is beautiful

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today as we head towards proper Autumn. It is going to be hard to

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more soft bottom. What a difference a day makes. We do

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have some patchy mist and fog around northern areas. A lovely weather

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watcher picture. The fog is lifting and because the sun is out, there

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will be a lot. We so have some light showers in Cornwall and

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Pembrokeshire. Those are moving away during the morning. A bit of fair

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weather cloud bubbling up. Temperatures will be 14 or 15.

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Overnight, the temperatures will drop quickly. There will be a breeze

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towards the West. Further east we will have clear skies. The

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temperatures will be close to freezing and there could be mist and

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fog patches. For a while, there will be more clothes for Northern

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Ireland. Labia spot of rain. Essentially, it is a dry and fine

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day. -- maybe a spot of rain. It is a quiet weather week ahead.

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Throughout the EU referendum, Downing Street was at the centre

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of a raw, often tetchy and ultimately unsuccessful struggle

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to keep the Tory party and the nation on board for the EU.

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David Cameron aside, one of the key players throughout

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was his communications director Craig Oliver, knighted recently.

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He's just published his account of those hectic months,

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Craig, or is it certainly? It is circling but I'm very happy for you

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to call me Craig. People are quite squeamish about using titles they

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get. They are given an honour and then are squeamish. I am not

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squeamish, it is one of those things. Somebody said, why is this

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not on the title of your book? Sir Alex Ferguson did not use it on his

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title, and the thought never occurred to me. One of the things

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that comes out of that period and the period you describe is

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dishonesty. There are three examples where the government was dishonest,

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I would say. They come directly from your book. The first is when Cameron

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said under different circumstances he might lead a campaign to leave

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Europe. Reading your book, that is completely inconceivable and in

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fact, even before the negotiations have started you are organising what

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would become the Remain campaign. I don't think it was inconceivable.

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There were points when he was very frustrated with Europe. The big

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question was whether this was an organisation capable of change. That

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only emerged over time and he was only able to see that over time.

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What you've got to remember is during this period, business leaders

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and economists were coming out with reports saying they were concerned

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about it. It was across a spectrum over time. Another example, a more

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direct one, David Cameron came onto this programme, and I said if you

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lose, will you stay on as prim minister? He looked me in the eye

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and he said, definitely. That was always nonsense. You were asking him

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to speculate about his future and he answered the question at the time.

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The reality is you can only judge circumstances is they actually

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happened and when you approach those circumstances he took the decision

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that actually it would not be the right thing for him to do. To hold

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them to account for something he said a few weeks before when the

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reality of this situation was impacting on him was very different.

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But you say in the book in his heart there were almost no circumstances

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in which he would stay and yet he was saying publicly he would stay.

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It is a simple thing, directly dishonest. I'm describing the moment

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when he is facing defeat and learns that he is defeated and in his heart

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he knew that he could not stay on. We discussed it and we thought about

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it. You think when I asked him about that he thought he could stay on. I

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think he thought there were circumstances when he could stay on

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and the reality is had he said, I will leave, that would have changed

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a lot. But he did believe there were circumstances. This is what leads

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cynicism about politics, politicians don't give honest, direct answers.

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And they give correct answers that are correct at the time. He was a

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human being faced with the reality of that loss and it is only about

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moment that you can truly know. A third example was when Boris Johnson

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announced he was involved in the Leave campaign that only nine

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minutes previously he'd sent a text to the Prime Minister telling him

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what he was going to do. That seemed like bad behaviour and coloured our

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view of Boris Johnson for a long time. It turns out he had been

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detecting and e-mailing the Prime Minister about his agonising choice

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for some time. -- sending text messages. Let me clear what happened

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up, when we came back from the renegotiation on the morning we were

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discussing what David Cameron would say. There was a message came in and

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he stopped, he looked at his phone and spent some time reading the

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message and he looked up and said, it is out. We knew that he was

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talking about Boris. He went through a very human, very well argued and

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human message. A few hours later I received a phone call saying, not

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said anything about Boris being out you? I had not. He was saying that

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Boris was at that point saying he could be reconsidering. He was not

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so sure. We were in a period of not going which way he was going to go.

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The final confirmation came nine minutes before. We could have

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revealed the extent to which he was wobbling all over the place like a

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wonky shopping trolley, as he described it himself, but we chose

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not to. I think that was an honourable thing to do. It made it

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look as if he'd kept the Prime Minister in the dark until the last

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minute. Which would have been better? That we had revealed? It is

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always better that you reveal. I don't think Boris would have thanked

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us for that. Let's turn to Michael Gove, you are very harsh on him. You

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said he was a destructive game player who suffers from a vaulting

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ambition and preparedness to mislead. Did he realise what the

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British people thought, he had a principled position against the EU

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which you did not have as he was right and you were all wrong? I

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think we did have principled positions. I'm not questioning that

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Michael Gove is a Eurosceptic. That is a legitimate position. But let's

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look at some of the things that happened and why I describe them in

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that way. Two days before he announced he was going to be chair

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of the Leave campaign, he said he would not be taking a leading role.

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When he was part of that it was questioning policies that were only

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tangentially related to Europe. He questioned the integrity of the

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Prime Minister, saying that he was corroding public trust. That was not

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behaviour that we necessarily expected from them. Let's ask about

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Theresa May because she appears on the edges of the story again and

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again. You describe her as a submarine under the water. You're

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never sure which way she's going to go. Somebody once says, we're not

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sure if she is working for the other side. You are pretty negative about

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her. Is the truth that actually, she saw it better than you guys? She put

:25:13.:25:19.

out a statement saying she did not want to insult people's intelligence

:25:20.:25:23.

by claiming everything is perfect about the EU or that the sky will

:25:24.:25:27.

fall in if we vote to leave. You would not let her say that. What I

:25:28.:25:32.

was happy for her to do was to express their opinions and say what

:25:33.:25:35.

was right and she was sincere in those and that was acceptable. In

:25:36.:25:39.

the book, I describe what it was like to be in the middle of that

:25:40.:25:43.

vultures campaign. It was difficult in the lead up to that campaign

:25:44.:25:46.

having a Home Secretary not reveal which side she was on. When she did

:25:47.:25:52.

reveal what's IT was on it was 51-49 and very equivocal. -- what side she

:25:53.:25:58.

was on. It is perfectly legitimate for her to do that. What the book

:25:59.:26:03.

was doing is recounting what it was like to be part of this. And during

:26:04.:26:08.

that story, again and again and again, you are very angry about what

:26:09.:26:16.

you call the lies of the Leave side, and yet from your point of view,

:26:17.:26:19.

terrible things were said which turned out not to be true, the

:26:20.:26:24.

punishment budget, we were going to have a ferocious budget if we voted

:26:25.:26:30.

to leave. That's not happened. Let us take two links. You are saying

:26:31.:26:34.

about the leave campaign. We were prepared to say that the NHS claims

:26:35.:26:42.

were not true. There is going to be an EU army. Turkey is going to be

:26:43.:26:50.

forced to join. Millions of people will come to this country. That is

:26:51.:26:53.

not true. I'm dealing with this point. In terms of our site, the

:26:54.:27:02.

punishment budget was George Osborne saying, independent economic experts

:27:03.:27:06.

were saying there will be a ?30 billion black hole in the economy.

:27:07.:27:12.

You can do that by raising tactics, -- raising taxes, or you can raise

:27:13.:27:20.

borrowing. Nothing has happened, we are members of the EU on the same

:27:21.:27:25.

terms as the 23rd of June. But there has been some good economic news but

:27:26.:27:31.

also the currency has dropped 15%, we've had growth forecast downgraded

:27:32.:27:35.

and we've also had the Chancellor of the Exchequer saying that he's going

:27:36.:27:40.

to reset fiscal policy. That sounds like a lot more borrowing to me.

:27:41.:27:48.

Let's wait and see. Thank you for joining us. Very interesting book.

:27:49.:27:51.

Dominic Cooper made his name as one of Alan Bennett's History Boys

:27:52.:27:54.

alongside his best friend James Corden.

:27:55.:27:56.

He's starred in the film version of Mamma Mia,

:27:57.:27:58.

played Saddam Hussein's son and is now back in London's West End

:27:59.:28:01.

as The Libertine, John Wilmot, Earl of Rochester, poet,

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When we met recently, Dominic Cooper began by telling me

:28:04.:28:06.

about his latest screen success in the TV series Preacher,

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You know it's a sin just to ask for that?

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I'm the preacher of this small town and I get consumed or this energy

:28:22.:28:32.

called Genesis enters my body and can't exist anywhere else.

:28:33.:28:36.

Which has come from outer space?

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It is a very, very strange piece of TV, but it was a huge hit

:28:39.:28:45.

in the States, why do you think that is?

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It reminded me when I first read it of something I used to love -

:28:48.:28:51.

Twin Peaks when it first came out, or early Tarantino work,

:28:52.:28:53.

and it was the people who made Breaking Bad.

:28:54.:28:55.

I thought if anyone is going to make this man like this,

:28:56.:28:58.

they are the people to do it, and from what I've seen they've done

:28:59.:29:02.

And it's crucial to your character, he's a man who is struggling

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with whether or not God exists, and struggling with his own belief,

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which takes us to the stage play you're doing - Rochester,

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We have John Wilmot, Earl of Rochester.

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If somebody wrote a cartoon book about whom no one would believe it.

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One of the most extraordinary figures in English poetry.

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I always find it hard to imagine where we are now to believe

:29:29.:29:33.

that anyone like that who was so forward-thinking

:29:34.:29:35.

in his time existed then, so many years ago.

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I don't think you would, you certainly wouldn't be able

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to write a comic depicting a man that existed then who was doing

:29:41.:29:43.

Blasphemer, libels the king, a filthy poet, probably an atheist,

:29:44.:29:51.

may have had a deathbed conversion back to Christianity or not,

:29:52.:29:54.

we don't know, dies at 33 of syphilis, cross-dresser,

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first poem in the English language in praise of sodomy...

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Now you put it like that, it's wonderful.

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Yes, all those things, which is why I had to play him.

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And it's a very physically demanding role, isn't it?

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Yes, I've never experienced anything so versatile in that way.

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I don't stop talking and I don't stop physically moving around

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But that's him, his energy, his emphaticness and his enthusiasm

:30:25.:30:29.

towards life at the beginning, which slowly...

:30:30.:30:33.

Rather rapidly deteriorates, is what makes the man or the man

:30:34.:30:37.

If you read his poetry, his love letters he wrote

:30:38.:30:43.

to his mistress or his wife, they are beautiful and you see that

:30:44.:30:47.

side of him, you see a true part of the man,

:30:48.:30:50.

then you learn what he was like in his younger years

:30:51.:30:53.

when he travelled Europe and the chaos he got up to.

:30:54.:30:58.

And then, for me, very much the relationship he had

:30:59.:31:00.

with his father and with the king, and he never

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really got over the loss of his father, and he blamed it on the

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He almost wanted to taste everything and experience everything

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and take everything as far as possible,

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must always exceed otherwise I don't feel like I'm alive.

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But he could never reach those heights.

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You have had some great roles but one of the

:31:27.:31:28.

greatest was Uday Hussein, Saddam Hussein's psychotic son.

:31:29.:31:37.

Tell me about that character, in terms of

:31:38.:31:38.

That was in relation to his father, and if

:31:39.:31:45.

you have a father like Saddam you don't have a

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But he was an absolute monster, and it was very hard.

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Whenever you play these characters, you've got to find some redeeming

:31:56.:32:01.

qualities that other people saw in them that they could exist with,

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You have to find the human truth because there must

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have been a glimmer of something good somewhere.

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Something that is so repressed deep down, some dark,

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nasty, vile thing that happened to them as children or that you

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experienced and you need to access that.

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Nobody must know this,

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Tell anybody and I will have to cut your tongue out.

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You were not born with a golden spoon in your

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mouth, you did not go to Eton, you needed

:32:43.:32:47.

bursaries and help to get into acting.

:32:48.:32:49.

You said recently London is becoming a

:32:50.:32:51.

really tough place for actors young actors who are not already rich

:32:52.:32:54.

I luckily live at home because I'm from London.

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How on earth many of the students came from elsewhere paying

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Yes, I did say in that interview, I hope what makes

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this city so beautiful and wonderful and interesting and

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intriguing to be part of, which is much to do with the art,

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is not pushing the artists out to a point

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where they won't exist anymore and the city will become

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Thank you very much for talking to us.

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Dominic Cooper, one of our most interesting and versatile actors.

:33:28.:33:31.

Now a look at what's coming up after this programme...

:33:32.:33:33.

Coming up on Sunday Morning Live: Sam Allardyce says 'entrapment has

:33:34.:33:36.

A baby with three genetic parents is unveiled -

:33:37.:33:40.

we ask where is this line of research taking us.

:33:41.:33:45.

And we have Harris J, who's been called the Muslim Justin

:33:46.:33:48.

And without more ado - she doesn't like fuss -

:33:49.:33:58.

You are announcing today this Great Repeal Bill, can you start off by

:33:59.:34:08.

explaining what it means. Yes, when the United Kingdom joined the

:34:09.:34:12.

European Union, legislation was passed in the European Communities

:34:13.:34:15.

Act which enshrined that relationship we have is a member of

:34:16.:34:19.

the European Union. What we will be doing with the Great Repeal Bill is

:34:20.:34:23.

repealing that European Communities Act. That means the UK will be an

:34:24.:34:28.

independent sovereign nation making its own laws. I cannot quite work

:34:29.:34:34.

out, is this a statement of the blindingly obvious? In other words

:34:35.:34:38.

we know we are leaving the EU, and at that point EU law ceases to

:34:39.:34:44.

apply, but is it such a big deal really? It is an important step we

:34:45.:34:48.

are taking because firstly it makes it very clear to the British people

:34:49.:34:53.

who voted for us to leave the EU that is exactly what we are doing.

:34:54.:34:58.

Secondly it gives that greater degree of clarity about the sort of

:34:59.:35:03.

timetables we are following. And crucially, it is important for us to

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set this out now so we have the timing so when we leave the European

:35:08.:35:12.

Union there is a smooth transition. I think that is important,

:35:13.:35:15.

particularly for the economy and business. So all of those European

:35:16.:35:22.

laws people have been complaining about for years, they become British

:35:23.:35:28.

laws? We will take European law into UK law, then because we will be

:35:29.:35:31.

independent and sovereign in relation to this, we will be able to

:35:32.:35:36.

decide on those laws. Parliament will be able to decide whether we

:35:37.:35:40.

wish to change those or keep those laws and I think it is important to

:35:41.:35:45.

bring that body of law into UK law because it is that which protects

:35:46.:35:54.

workers' writes. I can see a lot of MPs saying rather than incorporating

:35:55.:35:58.

this into UK law, I would like to change it. Are you sure you will be

:35:59.:36:02.

able to get this bill through the House of Commons? It is an important

:36:03.:36:09.

step in leaving the European Union. Parliament voted 6-1 to give the

:36:10.:36:12.

British people the choice as to whether to stay in the EU or leave.

:36:13.:36:19.

People voted, they want us to leave. This is an important step, and in

:36:20.:36:24.

terms of getting this through, I think it is important we have this

:36:25.:36:29.

in place so there is a smooth transition, so workers know their

:36:30.:36:32.

rights are protected, businesses know where they stand, then we will

:36:33.:36:36.

be able to make our laws and determine whether we want to change

:36:37.:36:41.

them. In terms of the brutal politics, there are lots of

:36:42.:36:44.

opposition MPs who might want to vote this down, and a lot of Tories

:36:45.:36:47.

on the so-called soft Brexit argument who might want to vote this

:36:48.:36:52.

down. You may not be able to get this through, and if you can't is

:36:53.:36:57.

that the trigger for another general election? As I have just said, when

:36:58.:37:03.

Parliament voted for a referendum on staying in the EU, Parliament voted

:37:04.:37:08.

6-1 to say to the British people, this is your choice, you give your

:37:09.:37:13.

voice. The British people have determined that we will leave the

:37:14.:37:16.

European Union and I think anybody looking at this Great Repeal Bill,

:37:17.:37:22.

which will make us that independent sovereign nation once again, anybody

:37:23.:37:27.

looking at that should remember this is about delivering for the British

:37:28.:37:31.

people, and to me it's not just about leaving the EU, it's about

:37:32.:37:35.

that essential question of the trust people can live in their

:37:36.:37:39.

politicians. The people have spoken, we will deliver. Again, some MPs may

:37:40.:37:46.

say hold on, we have no idea at all what kind of Wrexham you are taking

:37:47.:37:51.

us to, why should we give you a blank check before you set out on

:37:52.:37:56.

it? Of course we will be starting the negotiations once we have

:37:57.:38:00.

triggered Article 50, but I think it is important as we go through that

:38:01.:38:04.

process of negotiation, I want to get the right deal for the British

:38:05.:38:09.

people. I'm not as mystic about the opportunities available to the UK,

:38:10.:38:14.

we want the right deal for our continuing relationship with

:38:15.:38:19.

countries and inside the EU and with the EU itself, but it is not right

:38:20.:38:24.

to give a running commentary or set out at every stage what are

:38:25.:38:27.

negotiating hand is because you don't get a good deal if that's how

:38:28.:38:32.

you approach it. Do we actually need negotiations with the EU? I think we

:38:33.:38:38.

want to negotiate with them what the relationship will be. Life will be

:38:39.:38:43.

different in the future, we will be that independent country, but

:38:44.:38:46.

crucially we want still to have a good relationship with countries

:38:47.:38:52.

inside the European Union and with the EU itself. That's important for

:38:53.:38:58.

our economy, for jobs in the UK, for us to be able to continue working

:38:59.:39:03.

with them on issues around crime and security. There are some of your own

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MPs, Bernard Jenkin and others, who said we don't need a negotiation.

:39:09.:39:14.

Article 50 will chart us in a series of talks, and actually all we need

:39:15.:39:18.

to do now is say, we will not put tariffs on your goods coming in, we

:39:19.:39:22.

don't expect you to put tariffs on our goods coming to you, take it or

:39:23.:39:29.

leave it, goodbye. The process of leaving the European Union is quite

:39:30.:39:34.

complex, we have got to look at a range of issues... Must it be

:39:35.:39:40.

complex? There is complexity in our relationship with the EU at the

:39:41.:39:45.

moment. I think we owe it to people in terms of their job and protection

:39:46.:39:49.

of workers in the UK, we owe it to businesses, people who want to

:39:50.:39:52.

invest in the UK in the future to make sure we get the right deal for

:39:53.:39:57.

trade in goods and services and I think that's about sitting down with

:39:58.:40:01.

the European Union. It's not just about what we want, I think we want

:40:02.:40:06.

a strong EU that we can continue to trade with, they have an interest in

:40:07.:40:10.

trading with us and that's how we will get the right deal for Britain.

:40:11.:40:16.

You say no one in commentary, and all commentators gasp at that, but

:40:17.:40:20.

much more importantly people who are making big investment decisions,

:40:21.:40:23.

most recently Nissan say they cannot decide whether to invest more money

:40:24.:40:28.

in new factories and products until they know roughly speaking where you

:40:29.:40:33.

are going. Aren't you in danger by not giving commentary about which

:40:34.:40:37.

kind of exit you want but you are starving Britain of investment?

:40:38.:40:41.

There is a difference between not giving any commentary and giving

:40:42.:40:46.

running commentary. Today I'm setting out some further detail on

:40:47.:40:49.

the timing and the way we will approach this whole question and of

:40:50.:40:53.

course the Great Repeal Bill. That will give people greater clarity, so

:40:54.:40:58.

when I think it is right to be talking about the approach we are

:40:59.:41:03.

taking, we of course will do that. But everybody assumes, commentators

:41:04.:41:07.

want to have a day by day, what is it you are talking about now, that

:41:08.:41:12.

is the wrong way to deal with the negotiation. Just now you talked

:41:13.:41:17.

about timing which allows me to ask again about the timing of triggering

:41:18.:41:21.

Article 50. Boris Johnson suggested maybe early next year, Donald Tusk

:41:22.:41:27.

has suggested he thinks the same thing, are they right? I have been

:41:28.:41:32.

saying we wouldn't trigger it before the end of this year, so we can get

:41:33.:41:39.

some cooperation in place, but we will be triggering it before March

:41:40.:41:48.

next year. And following that we have two years to conclude these

:41:49.:41:55.

negotiations? Yes. So once you trigger Article 50, then what

:41:56.:42:00.

happens? The remaining members of the EU have got to decide what the

:42:01.:42:04.

process of negotiation is. I hope and I will be saying to them, now

:42:05.:42:09.

they know what our timing will be, it is not an exact date but they

:42:10.:42:13.

know it will be in the first quarter of next year, we will be able to

:42:14.:42:17.

have some preparatory work so when the trigger comes we will have a

:42:18.:42:21.

smooth the process of negotiation. It is not just important for the UK,

:42:22.:42:30.

it is important for Europe as a whole that we are able to do this in

:42:31.:42:34.

the best possible way so we have the least disruption for businesses. You

:42:35.:42:36.

were talking about investors earlier in your questions. And when we leave

:42:37.:42:41.

the EU, we have a smooth transition. Can I ask about Parliament itself

:42:42.:42:44.

because all of this is about making Parliament sovereign, and yet at the

:42:45.:42:48.

moment it suggests we will go through this negotiation and the

:42:49.:42:52.

most important talks probably this country has had for generations,

:42:53.:42:55.

without Parliament knowing what is going on. Parliament needs to know

:42:56.:43:01.

stage by stage what is happening surely? The Great Repeal Bill we

:43:02.:43:07.

have just been talking about, Parliament will be having its say on

:43:08.:43:12.

that and at various stages we will be keeping Parliament informed. This

:43:13.:43:17.

is not about keeping silent for two years, but it's about making sure we

:43:18.:43:21.

are able to negotiate, that we don't set out all the cards in our

:43:22.:43:25.

negotiation because as anybody will know who has been involved in these

:43:26.:43:29.

things, if you do that upfront you don't get the right deal. What I'm

:43:30.:43:36.

determined to do is get the right deal for Britain. The argument

:43:37.:43:37.

running through the Conservative Party in Birmingham is about the

:43:38.:43:42.

nature of the exit we negotiate. I know this soft and hard thing is

:43:43.:43:46.

irritating jargon but nonetheless there is a truth there. There are

:43:47.:43:51.

those who say it is important to keep tariff free market open, that

:43:52.:43:55.

will require a detailed negotiation and we might have to concede stuff

:43:56.:44:01.

to allow that to happen. Others say no, we turn our back on the EU in

:44:02.:44:06.

effect, we say take it or leave it and we have a blanket ban on the

:44:07.:44:10.

free movement of people from the rest of the EU. Can you give any

:44:11.:44:17.

indication in which you are tending? When the vote took place, apart from

:44:18.:44:21.

the message of leaving the European Union, I think there was also a

:44:22.:44:25.

clear message from the British people that they wanted us to

:44:26.:44:29.

control movement of people from the EU coming into the UK so we will

:44:30.:44:34.

deliver on that. But I don't look at it in the terms you have set out. We

:44:35.:44:38.

want to negotiate what we believe will be the right deal for the

:44:39.:44:41.

British people, the right deal for Britain when we leave the EU. That's

:44:42.:44:47.

about negotiating on things like trading in goods and services and

:44:48.:44:50.

making sure we get that good deal. I don't look at it is it this model or

:44:51.:44:57.

that one, I say what is going to be right for the UK, let's go and get

:44:58.:45:02.

it. Let's talk about migration in particular. I can remember having a

:45:03.:45:05.

discussion with you when you were Home Secretary. You were seething

:45:06.:45:10.

with frustration because I kept saying you cannot control the number

:45:11.:45:14.

of people going in and at that point you couldn't, but are you a clear

:45:15.:45:18.

that after the vote people want complete control so you are able to

:45:19.:45:22.

say as Prime Minister nobody comes in or actually it benefits us to get

:45:23.:45:28.

70,000 engineers in, but the control will definitely be in Parliament and

:45:29.:45:32.

there will be an end to the free movement of people in all

:45:33.:45:33.

circumstances across the EU? What people that a government that

:45:34.:45:43.

can set the rules of who comes into the country. The frustration was

:45:44.:45:47.

people could come into the UK from the European Union. There are a

:45:48.:45:52.

number of ways you can do this, and we need to look at what is best for

:45:53.:45:58.

the UK. The important point is to have rules that are set by the

:45:59.:46:02.

government so it is the UK Government who determines, and

:46:03.:46:13.

ensures we have control. Those involved in universities, car

:46:14.:46:16.

manufacturing, whatever it is, who are thinking, I need some more

:46:17.:46:21.

people in, I need skilled workers, some kind of work permit system

:46:22.:46:26.

might be a way forward? We will look at various ways in which we can

:46:27.:46:32.

bring in the control the people would want. We will make sure the

:46:33.:46:36.

brightest and best can come to the UK. You mentioned the word skills.

:46:37.:46:44.

That lights up another issue, why it is we've not been skilling up people

:46:45.:46:50.

in the UK to take on these jobs. I want to make sure we have a society

:46:51.:46:56.

where everyone can go as far as their talents can take them. How

:46:57.:47:05.

important is it that British business has access to the single

:47:06.:47:10.

market. I want the right deal and what David Davis and his department

:47:11.:47:14.

are doing is listening to businesses in the UK, finding out what it is

:47:15.:47:22.

they find most important to them. I've been sitting there with big and

:47:23.:47:26.

small British businesses and listened to investors in the UK. I

:47:27.:47:35.

sat down with some investors and companies, those who are providing

:47:36.:47:43.

jobs in the UK. We are listening to people and failure what it is most

:47:44.:47:49.

important. This process starts, article 50 is triggered by the end

:47:50.:47:54.

of March. By the end of March next year. You wanted this to be a moment

:47:55.:48:00.

when you appealed to the middle, people pupil Robert yours -- people

:48:01.:48:07.

who are making ends meet. All politicians want to win elections in

:48:08.:48:13.

the centre ground, what more is it than warm words? You talk about the

:48:14.:48:17.

centre ground, as a party we are building a new centre Brendan

:48:18.:48:26.

British politics. -- a new centre in British politics. I want politics

:48:27.:48:34.

that works for everyone, society that works for everyone so people

:48:35.:48:38.

can have the opportunity to go where their talents take them. We started

:48:39.:48:42.

setting that out in different areas, I've made a key speech on education

:48:43.:48:46.

about ensuring young people are given the opportunity to develop

:48:47.:48:51.

their talents. I want a society that I called a great meritocracy,

:48:52.:48:54.

they're what matters about your future is how hard you work and your

:48:55.:48:59.

talents, not where you come from or your parents, what your accent is. I

:49:00.:49:08.

understand that. You raised grammar schools. What do you say to people

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watching who say, we don't want to go back to 1955 and a stark

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separation of children at the age of 11. Wonderful for those who are

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chosen but could be very damaging or devastating for those who feel those

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exams -- who did not pass. We're not going back to that system of binary

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education. We're not going back to the 1950s. What will be different

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is, we've had great success in improving schools. Academies and

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free schools have had an impact. 1.4 million children are in schools

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which are good or outstanding. But there are a quarter of a million in

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schools that are underperforming. We need to increase the capacity of the

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system and that's what my speech was about. We will be building on the

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free school policies and continuing those but crucially, we are saying

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we want universities to take more of an interest, the independent sector,

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we are changing the rules on faith schools. I want to remove the ban we

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have in our system, the legislation that says you cannot set up a

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selective school. We all know in practice what happens out there is

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the selection by house price. Or by well. I want to make sure that good

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quality education is available across the board. Once you have

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academic selection and children chosen, I come back to this brutal

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thing that happened at 11, a lot of people saying you cannot go back to

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that. It will not be completely binary, there will be different

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types of schools providing education. What I've always said

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throughout my political career, we want the education that is right for

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every child. I think for those, the point about what we're doing is

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removing the ban on selection and saying to grammar schools, if you

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are setting up a school we want you to show that you are genuinely

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reaching out across society in giving those opportunities to young

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people and ensuring... Does that mean targets for less well-off kids?

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It could mean a variety of things. We are consulting as to the best

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approach on this. It will be about making sure that when schools are

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expanding their reaching out, making sure the quality of education is

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there through a system. It is also one of the other things in the

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consultation was about how we identify those children for whom

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free school meals has always been used as a measure in education. When

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I was cheering and education committee we were talking about

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other measures. Looking at how we identify those people not captured

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by that who are struggling. If there's a huge new policy for the

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whole of England? Are we going to see a grammar school in every small

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town in England? This is about letting the system developed. The

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government is taking off the ban on a particular type of school. It is

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letting the system. People will come forward. The speech I made and the

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announcement I made, everybody is focused on this but it is about

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ensuring we have good school places for every child and the capacity of

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the system across the board. Let's move onto one other thing. We used

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to have an honours system in this country which meant people who'd

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given back something extra to society, money to charity or time to

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charity, got an honour. It was per people who'd really pretend

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something above and beyond. We seem to have drifted into an honours

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system which rewards people who are already rich and successful. They

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are often famous and on telly. Or they've got friends in government.

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Many people wonder whether it is a fair system. Would you like to see

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it returned to a more basic system? If you look at any of the honours,

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the vast majority are people who've given something to the local

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community or been involved in charities. The focus is always on

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the big names and the headlines in that sense. I agree that we want an

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honours system that ensures we can recognise when people are

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contributing to their communities. It takes me on to the question of

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yourself. As I said at the beginning lots of people don't know who you

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are. Can I ask you about your early upbringing? Were you stringent or

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comfortably off? First of all, very happy and stable and I think what

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was important was my parents always give me the message, whatever you

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do, try and do your best. That's what I've followed throughout my

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life. It was not... Brotherly Conservatives? We did not talk about

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politics. I was brought up as an only child of a great interest in

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current affairs. My father was a clergyman as you know. He took a

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very simple view. He was the clergyman for the whole of this

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parish, the local vicar, it was not right for him to set out his

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politics, because he should be appealing and working with everybody

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in his parish. I was limited as to what I was able to do publicly

:55:31.:55:38.

because he wanted to make sure that there was nobody who felt they could

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not approach him. You lost him and your mother very early on. I did

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that affect you as a person and a politician? I did lose them both

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very early. One after the other. I hope what I have continued to do I

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would try to do the best in whatever job I do. Want to give back. I

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learned a strong belief in public service and in trying to understand

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what you need to do for other people. It is not just about what

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you think. It is about getting out there and hearing from people,

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listening to their voice. Delivering for them. Like Margaret Thatcher you

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had a father who was a liberal just -- who was a religious leader, you

:56:33.:56:37.

would describe yourself as a believing Christian, you came from a

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family that was not very rich. As the Conservative Party better off

:56:42.:56:46.

when it is led by someone from that background. The Conservative Party

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has had leaders from all sorts of background. I think what David

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Cameron did is really important, he took us into the first majority

:56:57.:56:59.

government for nearly a quarter of a century and change the party whilst

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doing that. Others, each leader will approach the leadership of the party

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in their own way. But the party as a whole is strongest when it works for

:57:11.:57:15.

everyone. It is strongest when it is reaching into every part of the

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country and every part of society. This sounds to me like what George

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Osborne said about representing the liberal mainstream. Why did you sack

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him? He's contributed hugely to British politics over the last few

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years, in government and opposition. And you sack him. I was put together

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my team, I have a great deal of Cabinet ministers, we have great

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discussions about the table, as we put policies together and share that

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vision of a country that works for everyone. Warren -- can I ask you

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about your cabinet, because people say you're returning it to an

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old-fashioned one, discussing it around the table, by committee,

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going back to the traditional Parliamentary style of government.

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Is that accurate? We are looking at more Cabinet discussion. I've set up

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three new subcommittees. Secretaries of state are coming together in

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different groupings more frequently than they have in the past to look

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different issues. I've said we will be a government that will work more

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with green papers and white papers. We are hearing voices as we develop

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policy. Do you think there was too much silver government? Too many

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chums sitting around and not enough process? -- too much sofa

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government. I think what we've done is the way that it is important to

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take government forward. Over the last few years we've achieved a lot

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as a Conservative government. One very final question. Everybody wants

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to know, is your husband going to be on the platform when you make your

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speech? I don't know why they want to know that. You'll have to wait

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and see. On that note, thank you very much, Theresa May, Prime

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Minister. Next week I'm going to speak to Ken Clarke, looking back on

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his long life in politics. Andrea will be here in one hour, when his

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guests will include Iain Duncan Smith. Thank you for now. -- Andrew

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Neill.

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Andrew Marr interviews key newsmakers and shines a light on what is happening in the world. Andrew's guests are prime minister Theresa May MP, actor Dominic Cooper and Sir Craig Oliver, former director of communications for David Cameron. Matthew Parris from The Times and The Guardian's Anushka Asthana review the papers.