30/10/2016 The Andrew Marr Show

Nissan's decision to reinvest in Britain is the single biggest

piece of good economic news since the Brexit vote.

Political reassurance or private deal?

Optimism on tariffs or tax-payer's money?

The man who did the deal, Business Secretary Greg Clark,

Can he - will he - shed light on this absolutely crucial question?

But what's the single most important thing Britain must do to make

Sir Michael Wilshaw, England's outgoing Inspector

I've also been talking to Brendan Cox, whose wife

Jo was killed in her constituency in June,

about how he and his children are struggling to make

He said on that day one we were driving down the road, I knew lots

of people loved mummy but I didn't realise that many people did.

Ewan McGregor on fatherhood, modern America and Trainspotting too.

And reviewing the papers the man who brought us Rebus,

Ian Rankin, the leading Labour Leave campaigner,

Kate Hoey, and Rachel Johnson of the Mail on Sunday.

But first the news with Christian Fraser.

The head of the FBI has defended a renewed investigation

into Hillary Clinton's use of emails during her time as

Its director, James Comey, says he felt an obligation

Her rival, Donald Trump, has made the issue

Mrs Clinton demanded full and complete facts about the renewed

probe as she addressed an election rally in Florida.

It's pretty strange to put something like that out with so little

information right before an election. In fact, it's not just

strange, it's unprecedented and it's deeply troubling.

Another powerful earthquake has struck central Italy,

close to the region where nearly 300 people were killed

Initial reports put the magnitude at 6.6.

Numerous buildings have been destroyed, including in the town

of Norcha, the histroic basilica of St Benedict.

The quake was felt in Rome, more than 150 kilometres away.

Canada and the European Union will sign a long-delayed trade deal

The EU says the deal is the most significant and ambitious

The agreement has taken seven years to negotiate because of objections

raised by the Belgian region of Wallonia.

The families of staff at the US consulate in Istanbul have been

The State Department says extremist groups are trying to target

Last week US citizens were advised to avoid south-east

Turkey and carefully consider risks elsewhere.

Ministers want to change the way disability benefit

claimants are assessed, to help people get back into work.

Charities have welcomed the consultation into

the Work Capability Assessment, which will seek views

on how to provide targeted and personalised support.

Labour have continued to call for the assessment to be scrapped.

New York's Metropolitan Opera halted an afternoon performance

when an audience member sprinkled what is suspected to be cremated

The incident happened during an intermission

of Guillame Tell, prompting anti-terror units to enter

Cultural venues in New York are on alert for potential threats

Dominated by that story of Hillary Clinton and the e-mails. Trump

absolutely resurgent. It is a complicate it and sensational story.

Hillary at war with the FBI, says the Sunday Times. The Observer has,

angry Democrats cried foul at new FBI probe into Clinton. And I am

alarmed looking Hillary Clinton on the front of the Sunday Telegraph.

Lots of other stories, including Brexit stories. Finally, the Sunday

Mirror has the only semi-political story. Michael Gove leaves his son

for six hours to go partying. We start off with Hillary Clinton. This

is possibly the weekend when Donald Trump wins the American Presidency?

Yes, according to some of the commentators it is. It is another

twist. You don't know where this is going to end up next. You couldn't

write it. This is a problem for satirists and thriller writers.

Simon Heffer in the Telegraph makes the point towards the end of his

piece that this is a phenomenon to do with people supporting Mr Trump

is an opportunity to smack the smug elite in the mouth. It is a

reverberation. It says this is happening in other countries. Brexit

was a smack in the mouth. It is against the establishment. We are

seeing the rise of antiestablishment voting elsewhere. If anybody can get

on Twitter and you clicked on Michael Moore, the American

satirist's rant about why people are voting for Trump, it is well worth

watching. Even though we can't show it. Moving straight on to another

directly related story, we have got Anthony Wiener. This is the

sleazebag American politician who has been dragged into the Hillary

Clinton e-mail story. Just when she thought it was safe to measure the

drapes in the Whitehouse, this is the worst October spectacular you

could possibly conjure hope for her. -- up. The FBI were looking into

some texts from Anthony Wiener. They discovered another cache of Hillary

Clinton e-mails. Then they decided to reopen the best a geisha in. I

was watching Trump last night responding to this and he was

smoking. We don't know if there is anything in these e-mails. Simon

Heffer points out that if you are the head of the FBI you don't do

something as incendiary as this unless there is good reason. He

thinks maybe be seen your members of the FBI were saying, you've got to

go with this, we can't left this life. Why else would he do it unless

it is an overtly political act? If Hillary Clinton wins, his head is on

the chopping block. Yes, he would look stupid as head of the FBI. We

are all fascinated by this but none of horse have a vote. Onto a British

story, Nissan. A really good spread in the Observer about the British

car industry generally. Yes, Nissan throws the UK a Brexit lifeline but

GM may hit the road. It is a very good review of the car industry and

how it was so down and now it is coming up. The Nissan decision,

having expressed some concerns, to now say they are going to stay, was

a great boost to all of horse who are pleased that we voted to leave.

The issue now of course is that there are some people who feel in

some way the government must have bribed them. Obviously you will go

into this later. I do think, and I looked at a story in the Sunday

Express about how some people are now saying, how can labour, a party

of workers, be so negative about what is a good news story?

Particularly just to the people of Sunderland, where there was a huge

vote to leave. I don't think there could have been a financial kickback

deal. Actually giving them money to compensate against tariffs would be

against article three of the World Trade Organisation rules, which

Dominic Lawson has pointed out. Let's be honest. There are a lot of

people still who want to rock the boat on Brexit and I giving every

opportunity. Nissan has done a great service because now I think we will

see a lot more companies actually coming out and saying, we have

confidence that we will get the best deal possible. It is also just a

good piece of informative journalism. I did not realise, for

example, that Dyson is now trying to manufacture and urban car, some kind

of automated car. Lots of carmaking going on in Britain that I knew

nothing about. The head of Rolls-Royce says that when people

talk about industrial revolution, there really is one. There is

breathtaking technology coming. Brexit has changed the politics of

the UK, but particularly the politics of Scotland. There is a

story in the Sunday Herald. You have got your iPad. If you live south of

the border and you do the mainstream media, you may have the idea that

Scottish independence has gone away. But it really hasn't. North of the

border it is a continuing issue. Independent Scotland could remain in

the EU after Brexit, a leading expert says. We don't believe in

experts and a Moore. This is John Curtis. He says what could happen is

that after independence, if Scotland went for independence, Scotland

could just slip into the UK role as a member state in the EU. Whether

that would work or not, it's a lovely thing to put on the

manifesto. To say this could all be painless. We come back to the same

thing. Look at what has happened with Canada, how someone like

Wallonia can screw it up years. You've got people like Spain. Would

they be happy? Spain looking at Catalonia. Catalans want

independence. Then the Catalans would go, wait a minute, it is easy

when you become an independent country to get into the EU. Let's

give our commiserations to rebus, who has retired. You dragged him

back from retirement one last time, maybe not one last time. Who knows?

You always said because you are a Scottish writer you had to take a

position on independence. You had this chain-smoking old soak from the

1970s, who was pro-union and going to vote no, and you had his

sidekick, younger and trendier, voting for the SNP. Is that by and

large still their positions? Yes, that would be their positions. Rebus

does not like change. Siobhan Clarke is younger, more idealistic. She

says, let's go for it? Ian Rankin is right in the middle! This is Mike

Jekyll and Hyde. I am not taking any side. On Twitter I did say that I

would not get into politics ever. But on Brexit, Remain was my

position. Another very interesting piece by a name we don't often hear

in the newspapers, Elliott. He is head of a sports Manufacturing

company. He is a big shot in the world of business and in

Conservative oriented politics. He has written an interesting piece in

the Sunday Times. Eady told swat Theresa May's real position on

Brexit is. Yes, it's an important story. Angela Merkel says if

everyone is sensible we will get a sensible solution. Backs up what

Kate Hoey was saying. He says we will get a sensible deal and this is

what the EU should do. There should be give and take on both sides, with

skilled workers, regulatory equivalence for a financial services

and a sort of free trade tariff union, a customs union. So the idea

that Rolls-Royce can carry on manufacturing, our car industry can

carry on manufacturing, makes sense. I really hope that actually is what

eventuate. This is what -- this is interesting. We are a customs union,

we don't have tariffs and the pound is lower, that is very good for

modern British manufacturing and engineering, which has always been

the poor relation in our lifetimes. It is tough. This could be the

rebalancing of the British economy we have been talking about for 30

years? And it also gets that really big demand, which was there,

whatever people say about no freedom of movement, not wanting to stop

immigration of people we need in this country. The high skills thing

could still happen. As long as we are not in the EEA, we don't have to

go along with that. We need students to come in from other countries. I

think students would still allow -- be allowed to come in. But they need

to be clear they are going back again. What about importing

inflation? Typhoo tea is going to be twice as expensive. The Apple Mac as

well. A young London-based techie said yesterday it is now cheaper to

fly to Canada, by your MacBook there and fly home again, than to walk

down the street and buy it in your local Apple Store.

Apples have always been cheaper in Canada. One final Brexit-related

story, the return of Tony Blair. Riding high to revive the remain

forces. We have mentioned Simon heifer before, this picture of Tony

Blair with a Chinese actress during his book launch and Tony Blair

shoots the remain cause in the foot. I have to say Tony Blair went off

around the world and made millions and now he feel he has made enough

and wants to come back. Of course help has a right to say, but I was

pleased he said this, because that will nail the case for the the

remainers that they have got someone like him to support them. One more

story is Michael Gove in trouble for leaving his 11-year-old in a hotel.

I can't work out, if this is a story or not a story. What do you think?

It is not much of a story. An 11-year-old left in a luxury B B

for some hours, who is found wandering the corridor by a porter

who get worried. If it was my eleven-year-old he wouldn't have

left the room, because he would be on his computer and he would have

had a mobile phone and said, what time are you coming home? You know,

Gove was there dancing very badly apparently. Here is somebody who

knows, Rachel Johnson was there. I should never admit to this, I was

with Michael and Sara until 1. 30 that morning. Can I say their son

was babysitting their two dogs. It is the dogs we should worry about.

They left the dogs as well. I think it is fine. We were both invited to

the Sunday Times literary festival. He was on the dance floor and I

asked the DJ to put on Blurred Lines. So there was some Blurred

Lines. In terms of Ed Balls and Michael Gove dancing technique,

enlighten us. I think Michael is a shoe in for Strictly next year. So

thank you. Round my way, you can barely

see the sky for bats. You can hardly see the ground

for spiders, and you can't move without bumping

into toddlers dressed as witches. Let's hope for a downpour on the

trick or treaters tomorrow night. Over to Helen Willetts

in the weather studio. My little girls are very excited.

The weather, it is thick fog. But no down pour in sight. The fog has been

causing problems for travellers. This was Kent an hour or so ago. It

that is time of year, there is no wind and there is no sun and it

won't just be a problem this morning. Tomorrow it will be a more

widespread problem. So the fog will clear in the south and things

brighten up. But it will take time. When we see the sun, 15 or 16.

Stubborn cloud in central areas. The rain starting to lift in Scotland

and Northern Ireland. Still very mild for the time of year. So good

news for Divali. It will become foggy in the south again. Not a cold

night. Our concern is for fog in southern areas tomorrow morning.

More widespread in England and Wales and dense and patchy. Patchy makes

it more dangerous for travellers. But once it clears, 18 could be the

high. Behind this weather front in the north some colder weather is on

the way. . After more than 20 years

in front of the camera, Ewan McGregor is making his debut

as a director, with an adaptation of Philip Roth's masterpiece

American Pastoral. Set in the 1960s and 70s,

the film charts the disintegration of the perfect family

after a terrorist bombing. McGregor plays Swede,

an all-American sports hero with a beauty queen wife

and a beloved only child, his deeply troubled,

rebellious daughter. It is a revolution. People standing

up for their rights. Are you going to defend them? Maybe you should

join them. The governor called the national guard in. Of course. He

can... Can't treat black people... No blacks on the City Council. We

have 80% negroes. I forgot. You're a hero. I lived in the book for almost

nine months and I felt I should imBews as much of the -- imBews as

much Philip Rothness as I could. I'm pleased I did that. He has expressed

to us that he likes the movie. If he likes it I must have done something

right. Let's come on to the theme of film a girl goes wrong, it is a time

of huge antiwar protests. She becomes a terrorist and her father

loses her. Were you conscious this is a film about America now as well.

Yes, you couldn't help but be aware of the similarities. But... It was

never my motivation, I didn't try and make American Pastoral to show

what is happening today. I focussed on the time Philip Roth was writing

about. The only time I made a conscious effort was, there is a

sequence of rioting in Newark where the African/American community took

to the streets and I wanted it to be like today and there was a man being

beaten by the police. This about your character and his love for his

daughter. We have both got daughters. Any reflections on that?

It what grabbed me. It is an extreme story about a father losing his

daughter and to political radicalism and terrorism. There is a terrorist

act. And she disappears. I have no experience. But when I first read

the script, my eldest daughter was 15 or 16. So consciously or perhaps

sub consciously I must have been preparing myself for the loss of her

to university, the loss of her from the home. It makes me think of that.

Also my little one, who is only five and a half, is our youngest and

probably our last I think, we don't have any plans to have more, so

everything she does and moves on from is the last time, you know when

she is no longer using nappies, it is oh, no, she is no longer doing

it. Can I ask you about train spotting Two. You have grown up, the

characters, have you actually matured? I can't want to give

anything away. It was a very strange and wonderful experience to come

back to characters 20 years later. I have to say nerve racking. I was

nervous about it. I started a week or two after the rest did. I came in

and they were up to speed. I met them in a lunch queue and said,

Ewan, I'm Merv ever nervous -- nervous what I if I can't find

Renton. He said we all feel like that. He said wait until you have

done your scene. Of course Renton is me and I'm Renton. And it was like

meeting an old friend. Danny Boyle and you had a falling out when he

cast Leonardo Di Caprio in The Beach. That is made up now? Yes it

wasn't about Leonardo or me, but I was part of their... I felt like

Danny Boyle's actor. And I felt that that, being his actor and being

involved in the work we did defined me as an actor. I was his actor. I'm

sure there was going to be a time when I was... He dumped you. I was

dumped. There was always going to be that moment when that happened. It

was difficult for him to do and it wasn't handled great. So I was very

upset and took a lot... You know I regret it's taken a long time for us

to mend that relationship. Which we have done now. It is in the past.

You spoke out openly at the time of Scottish referendum, saying you

would prefer the union to remain. Were you feeling this was a brave

thing to do? Yes. I didn't in fact. I actually didn't. Tried to stay out

of it. A, because I don't, because I didn't have a vote. I don't live in

Scotland. And I haven't lived in Scotland since I was 17. I didn't

get involved. The press of course as the press will do, found things that

I had said in the past. I was openly, once in a press conference

in Cannes, I was probably drunk, when I was very young, where I said

some silly things about Sean Connery and Scottish independence and they

took these things from long ago. The truth is I was... I didn't want

Scotland to be independent in 2014. I didn't understand how it was going

to, wo. I was worried that Scotland would flounder on its own and I I

believed in the union. I felt were we stronger together. Then Brexit's

happened now I'm confused. The day, I was in Scotland when the night the

that the Brexit came and we were shooting train spotting in the

street and I was watching the counts and I was saying to the crew, it is

going to swing back. Don't worry. Of course by the time I got home, I

switched the television on and it was 5am, and there is Farage doing

his victory speech. I thought he is going to be em-Barrased, but it

wasn't the case. That next day I would have voted for Scotland to

leave. Thank you very much. Thank you.

And American Pastoral opens here on 11 November.

Now, Sir Michael Wilshaw has been Chief Inspector of English Schools

under successive Education Secretaries.

He's never slow to speak his mind, and has been sharply critical

of Theresa May's plans for more grammar schools.

As he prepares to quit, he argues that if we're

going to make a success of Brexit we need an education revolution.

Welcome Sir Michael. Before that, just before we start, as you look

back over your time, what is your conclusion now about the state of

English school education? We have got a better education system now

than we have ever had. Our system was in special measures, in

intensive care in the 70s, 80s and much of the 90s. But the reforms

that have taken place have made a big difference. We have got a much

better education system now. Better literacy and numeracy levels in

primary schools. Six in ten youngsters got the top GCSE. It was

less than one in five. I sense a but coming. Well, we are not there yet.

We are not with the best in the world. We are not there with the

South Korea and the Shanghais and some of the really good European

nations. We have got a lot to do to catch up. We have got to sort out

the big regional differences in performance, particularly at

secondary level. Particularly in the Midlands and the north and we have

got to do something about skills. How would you sum it up? It's SPS 6

and a half out of - it's six and a half out of ten. You said about the

poorest children as you start your last few months, it saddens me to

say that we are still letting down our poorest children and that if

things do not change fundamentally, we will continue to do so. What

would fundamental change mean? The long tail of underachievement that

contains the poorest children in the main, is one of longest in the OECD.

And we have to do something about that. There is no magic bullet. But

a lot of poorest children are in the white working class communities and

the rural areas and the isolated areas. We have to crack that. It is

not simple. But we need to get the best teachers and leaders into those

communities and show they can make a difference. That is not happening at

a rate it should. Wouldn't more grammar schools and choice by

selection help some of the children? If I thought grammar schools would

be making a difference I would be waving the flag for grammar schools.

Don't think. So we have moved on. We shouldn't be myselfy eyed about the

-- misty eyed about the 50s we need more educated people. For people who

don't get the argument. What is the case? You take away the most able

people from the all ability set up. I speak as an ex-head of a

successful inner city comprehensive. I needed the top 20% to lift

everybody up. And it was my ambition to get 80 or 90% through their GCSE.

I would have been able to do it if the top youngsters went to grammar

school. It was their excel lebs that affect -- excellence that affected

the school. There is no way the expansion of

grammar schools can't help the schools around them? That is the

point I am making. In the service lead, digital economy we have now,

we have to do well academically. What is your message to Theresa May?

I would not focus on grammar schools. I would focus on education

and so -- skills, the Cinderella service of the education system.

With Brexit, we need more skilled youngsters to go to jobs in

Sunderland and elsewhere. You say we need an education revolution to

produce more technical skills training in this country. We used

our polytechnics. They became universities. Was that a mistake? I

think so. We need a skills revolution. I am a supporter of what

Ken Baker is trying to do University technology colleges, 14 to 19. It

got off to a shaky start but the principle was right. If you look at

what has happened in Germany and in Switzerland and other European

countries, they got it absolutely right. The reason they got it

absolutely right is that there is a political focus on it in the way

there hasn't been in the last half-century here. We have to have

that political focus and bang heads together, employers, colleges and

schools. And you have to persuade politicians as well. There is no

great drive for this at the moment. As you leave your current job, are

you going to commit yourself to helping drive for a new generation

of technical colleges and technical universities? Yes, I am. I am going

to join that revolution. It is the much reform in our country. It is a

gaping hole in the education system that needs to be filled. Brexit will

not be a success unless we have more home-grown talent. If we don't do

this and we don't have the migrants coming in from the rest of the EU,

what has happened? -- what happens? We have just done a service of

employers in this country and two thirds said the schools shortage is

getting worse. That would carry on unless we give it more time and

attention. Focus on the great majority and those who need more

skills. You have served under three different secretaries of State for

education. You have been outspoken. Michael Gove has been the one who

has been the most radical, a man of ideas, highly controversial. How do

you Tim has an Education Secretary? He will go down as one of the great

education secretaries. I had some rows with him which were

well-publicised. I was broadly on the same page as him. More radical

reform. Greater autonomy for people on the front line. Reform of the

examination system. He was a good secretary of State. And he thought

the education establishment. The blob. Do you recognise that? Yes, I

recognise them. I've fought it as well. A blob is resistant to change.

I wouldn't call of the blob. I think I have tried to change it.

Thank you. In a political year full

of shock and turbulence, The killing of the Labour MP

Jo Cox just days before She was shot and stabbed

as she was out working in her West Yorkshire constituency

of Batley and Spen. Tributes poured in from around

the world to the former aid worker, campaigner and mother of two

children, aged five and three. Earlier this week, I went

to meet her bereaved husband Brendan Cox at their family home -

a houseboat on the Thames. I asked him first how

he the children, Cuilliin I think I'm probably still in shock

to a certain extent. I certainly haven't

gone through the entire I spent a lot of time

in the last four months really focussed on the kids and

making sure they're OK and making sure they're coping with it

as best as they can be. And in that, I'm positive,

the kids are very strong, they have got a lot

of Jo's spirit in them. And they have been surrounded

by a lot of love from our family, from our friends, which

means that although they have very dark and difficult times, they're

actually still who they were before And we talk about

their mum every day. They're very young still,

do they understand what The advice from the beginning

was to be open about what happened, so they don't find out

things from different people. So they know, they

know what happened. One of their questions

in the earliest days was why So I haven't really found

a convincing answer for that and I

don't think they have understood why There was this huge outpouring

of love and support and the big demonstrations at

the time - how is it now in terms of the wider support

for what Jo stood for? Thing to behold, the level

of public support and compassion from people who knew

Jo, which you would expect more, but so many thousands of

people from the constituency, from around the UK and from around

the world who have been in touch with us just to after their

support and their love and that matters to me.

And I feel that. It matters to me, because of

the way in way Jo held She always thought the best

of our country and I felt a moment like this our country has

shown some of its best. Also for the kids, again one

of the big pieces of advice from the beginning was

helping them understand that other people are feeling some of the pain

that they're feeling. And in this case that's

been so visual, whether it is the thousands of people in

Trafalgar Square, around the world Whether it is the people

who were lining the streets of Batley and Spen when

we had the funeral. On that day when we were driving, he

said, I knew... I knew lots of people loved mummy,

but I didn't realise this That I think, that sense that

they're in this with other people and that they are surrounded

with other people who are feeling not the same intensity

of what they're feeling, I think makes them more confident

in showing their own emotions and talking about how

they're feeling as well. What happened to Jo

was one of the worst things that has happened in British

politics in my lifetime, can you talk me through what happened that

day from your perspective? I have spent a loot

of the last period And I try quite hard not

to spend a lot of time Other than to say that it was

obviously came from nowhere and hit us harder than anything

could ever hit you, as I say, I'm trying

to focus very hard on her life

rather than her death. Before she died you and her had many

conversations near where we are sitting now,

about the condition of British politics

and in particular a kind of anger

and a coarseness and an aggression coming into British politics,

I think probably from the left

and the right, can you reflect on why that has arrived

in our politics and what Jo and I thought

about this a lot and we We had always been optimistic

people - optimistic in our own lives, optimistic

about politics, about the future of And I think in the last couple

of years we started to feel But if you look at the rise

of Trump in the US and Le Pen in France, there is this focus

on what divides us, rather than what Which don't think we

have seen in this form And that we felt very

strongly, but I think Jo When she criticised

Jeremy Corbyn for his leadership, the torrents of abuse

that she got from that, or when she voted a different way

from the rest of our party on Syria, again

the Angela Eagle got a similar

unbelievable level of abuse for On the other side,

of things, just in the last week, Gary Lineker for

saying quite generic things about his sympathy for refugees has been

lampooned by sections of the media and had an incredible

amount of vitriol. So there is something

is stirring which I think the political centre is too

You said that actually the centre has to strengthen itself and

extremism from all sides is encoaching on the centre.

How do you think that could possibly be done?

I think part of it is about reseizing

Britain has a long tradition of tolerance, of

diversity, of being an outward looking nation.

It is many of the things that made us a great country.

But I think we have ceded that narrative about patriotism

particularly to the extreme right and I think we need to regain that

narrative, to define Britain in an exclusive way that brings it

together, rather than blames the migrant or the refugee or the

Muslim for what might be going on in our country

By thanking the wonderful people of Batley and Spen.

I wonder how you felt when you saw her successor

as the Batley and Spen MP actually being barracked as she

made her speech by some of the other groups who were there?

The thing I took away from the by-election was

that she won 85% of the vote, that all the far right parties

The fact that a few handful of extremists

barracked her on that night for me didn't take away from the overriding

thing was that the people of Batley and Spen standing together to say

that hatred has no place in our community.

Brendan, do you think that Jo's death was in any way

So I think the referendum was clearly a

moment of heightened tension and heightened debate and some

of that sometimes got out of control.

But I think it has nothing to do with the

Jo was always clear it was a legitimate choice and there were

good reasons for staying and there were good reasons for going.

Her argument came down on the side of staying.

But that doesn't mean she couldn't see the point of view of

I think for me, that what contributed

to the atmosphere of Jo's death wasn't just about heightened

tensions of referendum debate, it is something deeper, a deeper

malaise in our politics, which is an increasing propensity

Whether that is is might rants or Muslims or Europe.

One of the things that Jo always found very frustrating, she

was such an affable person and had very few people that didn't like

her, because she was so personable and so engaging on a human level,

Suddenly she had all these people who said they hated her,

because of what she represented and this out of touch politicians

She found it very hard to deal with, she had

There has been a contempt that has been bred I

think for institutions, politics and lots of

other institutions, but

after this, I think people did take a second to re-examine that.

Of course it is fair to criticise politicians where

you disagree with them, but to assume bad faith I think is

something we should always try to avoid doing.

Do you believe that the

centre, the liberal centrist, metropolitan world has been far too

slow to understand the concerns of people in other parts of the

community who are having a really hard time, I'm thinking of Labour

voters who had a tough time up in the north

and turned to Brexit as a result and so forth.

There has been a disconnect between the so-called

metropolitan elite, whether they live on boats

or live in houses, and large parts of rest of the country.

Yeah, I think that is definitely right.

I certainly think on issues like immigration there has been a

On one side and a willingness to weaponise the issue

I think on the right and the sort of populist right

of British politics you had a willingness

even among people who in no way are xenophobic themselves

and galvanise political support and I think on the

left, you had a willingness to ignore the issue.

More in common was the slogan that she used and you

Tell us about what the foundation is doing now and your hopes for it.

We are trying to do two things to keep Jo's legacy going.

The first is setting up the Jo Cox Foundation.

And that will help make sure that we spend

the money that come in, in an

unbelievably generous way from the public.

But that will strengthen the causes that Joe cared about - from

In Syria for example they're setting up an award

who go in after these bombs and pull people out of rubble.

Finally, I want to return to the terrible event

which is why we are talking, you have said that one phrase you hate

being used about your wife is rest in peace.

Just Jo was this unbelievable bundle of energy

And she would never rest in peace when she

And she would not want to rest in peace now.

And in all the ways we have talked about, taking

forward her work, her legacy, fighting for the Britain she

believed in, is our way of remembering her and in doing so, not

letting her rest in peace, but taking her ideas and her beliefs

Brendan Cox speaking to me earlier about his wife's life and legacy.

And so to the main story of the week.

The good news is that Nissan, Britian's biggest car maker,

is going to plough more money into its Sundarland plant,

despite uncertainties after the Brexit vote.

This has happened after private promises from the government.

The more unsettling thing is that we have absolutely no idea

Greg Clark did the deal, and the Business Secretary joins me.

Excellence that affect -- excellence that affected the school. You have

said that you're not going to allow British car manufacturing to be

disadvantaged. Can you agree if they had to pay tariffs that would

disadvantage them. Can I first endorse what you said, this is a big

moment, not just for Nissan, but for the people of Sunderland, talking to

one of your colleagues today, they know people there, but for the

country. It is my job to provide the assurances to Nissan and others that

Britain is going to be continue to be a great place to invest. I was

able to do that and this was the result that we saw. Just coming back

to my question, would tariffs disadvantage Nissan? Of course if

there were tariffs in a market which is very international, there is a

lot of trade from the continent of Europe to the UK. And vice versa. So

one of the assurances that I was able to give is that our intention,

our negotiating remit when it comes to the discussions with our European

partners is to have a constructive and civilised dialogue to look for

the common interest here. Do you mean no tariffs. It is no more in

the interest for there to be tariffs to be the continent and vice versa.

Our objective would be to ensure that we have a continued access to

the markets in Europe and vice versa, without tariffs and without

bureaucratic impediments. That is the how we will approach the

negotiations. This is crucial and sheds more light on what the

government's position. It is important to manufacturing they get

the minimum or no tariffs or and no impediments. The reason I was able

to give that assurance is this is a, a good negotiations are about

finding common ground between both sides to negotiation. For the

European, for the continental European car manufacturer, they

export us to and we export to them, and this is an exam of if you

conduct the negotiations in a serious and civilised way, there is

a lot in common that we can establish and that I was able to

reassure Nissan and other manufacturers. In clear terms you

went to Tokyo, you went to Japan, were you able to assure Nissan that

there were unlikely to be tariffs. Obviously the negotiations haven't

start, what I was able to convey is what our demeanor would be in those

negotiations. Obviously they haven't started, let alone ended and even's

adult enough to know that. But it is important and it has been my

experience that talking to people face to face and communicating the

seriousness of your intent is important to any discussion, any

negotiations. That is what I laid out. Let us remind ourself of what

the head of Nissan said before is in happened. He said, if I need to make

an investment and I can't wait until the end of Brexit then make a deal

with the UK Government. He says that would investigate compensation if I

faced tariffs. How worried were you at the start of this that Nissan

might pull the plug? Well, it was a huge decision. Sunderland is our

biggest car manufacturing plant and it is a huge beacon of excellence

around the world. And these big investment decisions come every 10

or 15 years. So my job as Business Secretary, if we were sitting here

today discussing how we had let it slip through our fingers and we are

not going to get the future of Sunderland secured, you rightly

would feel that I hadn't been active enough. My determination was to go

to provide the confidence that a long-term investor need that Britain

will be the go-to place for manufacturing car. Nissan wanted is

in in writing, did you write the letter yourself? There have been

discussion and communication by letter. Does it say Greg Clark at

the bottom? I have written to to head of Nissan and others and set

out the reassurances we have been talking about. You have been clear

that reassurances does not mean extra public money. Can I press you

on that. If you were going to say to Nissan or any other car maker, if

you face tariffs we will compensate you that would be against WTO rules.

It would be illegal. Yes, this I why you need to set out your

negotiating... Principle, the way you do it and to make a commitment

not to provide compensation for the reason you say that is not possible,

but to have a determination to make sure that this very important sector

remains competitive. What about other forms of financial

renumeration and aiding them in training workers, buying land,

better roads, in order soft aid, have you offered that? I wouldn't

call it soft. It is rigorous. In terms of things to do with Brexit,

for all the reasons you say, it is not possible to as it were

compensate for any future risk. So the intention of the government in

keeping the sector competitive was important. It is the case in the

motor industry that we have had a very long track record of investment

in skills, in innovation, in research and development in the

sector. But these things are independently reviewed. You can't

guarantee them. They're competitive... They can expect more

help in this regard? I hope they will succeed, they have to apply as

other companies and almost every company would do. That has been one

of the secrets of our success. But we want to see the whole industry

prosper. There are certain suspicions about this deal, not

least from Nissan's competitors, why don't you just publish the letter. I

can say what it says. Run us through through -- through it. Four key

points. Is first is what we talk about, are we going to continue our

approach with the sector to have come pet to have and independently

assessed funds available to all trainees for training and skills and

the rest of it. Michael Wilshaw said that was important. Second, is about

place. One of the things that we want to, we have made a commitment

to, is whether in Sunderland or whether in the west Midlands, that

we regenerate sites to the supply chain, the small and medium sized

business that supply the major, in the past many of them have been

overseas. There is a joint initiative with the industry to

bring them home and we confirmed that continues to be our ambition.

The third is a particularly exciting one, which is the future of the

automotive sector. We have huge strengths in science and research in

this country and the motor industry is changing rapidly. Electric

vehicles for example. Dyson are building an electric vehicle? Yes

and what Nissan and others wanted to know, is are we committed to being

at the leader edge of research and development and we are. The creation

of my department that brings energy and industry together is an example

of how our leadership in renewable energy is paired. Finally Brexit and

the essence is we will achieve to tariff-free trade for you. That what

is you're saying. Yes first, to be clear about our, what we want from

the negotiations, which is to find common ground between our European

neighbours and ourselves and whatever happens, give than we can't

know the outcome, that we have through our industrial strategy,

which is important to the Japanese in particular, who have long had

one, that we make a commitment to keep competitive the United Kingdom

industry. They were the assurances that gave confidence that allowed

the jobs to be safe-guarded. John McDonnell said he wants the

assurances you have given to Nissan to be extended to other

manufacturers, can you do that. Yes it is not general. Of course if you

think about an industrial strategy, you need to build on your strengths.

Automotive is one of our great strengths. Part of our strategy is

to keep it. There is more meat here than I was expecting. But I will

press you further. If we are talking about a customs-free deal, if we can

get one, for manufacturing, we have said we are going to take back

control over migration, which means that we can't be part of the

Norway-style economic deal. We would have to have a customs union as

Turkey and others have. Is that where we are head something That is

taking us beyond the territory thafs discussing -- that I was difference

cussing with Nissan. That is the logical conKluges. -- conclusion. I

think it is important to understand what they want from our negotiation

and what will be the interests of the British economy. That is what we

are doing. I'm spending time getting from them what nay need. We haven't

made decisions on what that is in terms of what we want to achieve. If

we want to get some deal, something like a customs union, that is very

good for manufacturing, but it doesn't deal with the service

sector, which is still the majority of our economy. What is the future

do you think for banks and passporting, that is the only big

and a huge number of jobs. That is why it seems you need to take it in

a considered way to make sure you consider all of the different

sectors. Financial services is hugely important. It was ironic that

I think John McDonnell said we were completely focussed on financial

services on the day we announced, or Nissan announced this. Alongside a

customs deal you would need a deal to help the financial services

industry? Part of our negotiation has to look across the board at

industry and I don't just mean manufacturing, the service sector

and creative industries, we need to approach is in in a serious way, get

from them what they need and then go into what is... One very final

question. If business is looking for certainty, its important that Mark

Carney stays for his full-time as governor of the Bank of England? I

think Mark Carney has done a tremendous job during his tenure

there. It is a decision for him. But I... You. You hope he carries on.

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