Emily Thornberry The Andrew Marr Show

We are joined by Emily Thornberry. In a few weeks time, you could be

Foreign Secretary. Will you at that point tell Donald Trump he is not

welcome for a state visit? No, because he has been invited and I

think it was a mistake to invite him as quickly as he was invited,

frankly, President Obama had to wait for years. Some people would say so

much for your radical change. Jeremy Corbyn said he was not welcome in

Britain. I mean... It takes these things in stages. We have to welcome

the American president to Britain. We have to work with him. The

difference that I have is I will be prepared to stand up to him and say,

I'm sorry, Mr President, you're wrong about that, we are supposed to

be friends and these values are not our values. You're doing the wrong

thing. You know what he is like, he may not want to come. There we are.

I here he doesn't want to share with Prince Charles, because he doesn't

agree on climate change. It will be a bumpy ride. Under Labour he still

comes here? We can't disinvite him that, would be a mistake. Why not?

Because it would be to the detriment of the country. Now the ethical

foreign policy, you have said that Labour unlike the Conservatives

would not turn a blind eye to human rights abuses in China. What does

that actually mean? We shouldn't be, we should not be afraid to raise

these issues despite the fact we may be going for a trade deal, but we

have to be clear about the things that we disagree with. I'm very

worried that when I see Theresa May going to the gulf states and after

trade deals, she doesn't raise the issue of Yemen or that Saudi Arabia

has been bombing weddings and funerals and civilian targets. Is

your foreign policy sufficiently ethical, if you raise the issues and

get a dusty or hostile response, the Chinese hate this and the stop trade

deals, you would endanger the involvement of the China in our

nuclear industry. I'm not saying we are going to boycott China. But

there is a middle way through the sort of fawning which I think we

have seen Theresa May indulging in with trump and the way we would

approach things. Now Trident, you don't like the Trump administration

and yet we rely on that administration for close

co-operation to make our Trident submarines work. Do you withdraw

that co-operation, will it still depend on the the Americans. The

most important part of our defence is NATO, that and that a partnership

with America and our allies. We have been committed to NATO for a number

of years. That won'ts will continue. So NATO is important for you? Yes. I

ask you that, because Jeremy Corbyn disagrees with that, he is is what

he said, here is Jeremy Corbyn talking about NATO. We in the

radical end, the left of the unions and the Labour Party have got to be

realistic that NATO is a major problem and a ma swror difficulty

and to campaign against NATO and its global reach, because it is a danger

to world peace and security. Are you going to campaign against NATO's

word power. That is a quote from six years ago. Jeremy has been on a

journey to coin a phrase and there have been discussions and it has

been made you know, we have had, it is clear that the predominance of

opinion within the Labour Party is we are committed to NATO. The

reality is that we have been relying on our partnership in NATO in the

way we have committing things f we were to pull out of NATO. How would

we get our forces... Hang on, our force off Salisbury Plain without

the assistance of NATO? We don't have enough frigates to move them on

to the continent of Europe if necessary if the Russians were to

come. Have you made these points to Jeremy Corbyn? Yes. You put him back

in his box, he repeated those sentiments in his leadership

campaign. Our NATO commitment is clear. You repudiate what Jeremy

Corbyn said in 2011. I'm not fighting with anybody, I'm telling

you the Labour Party's position is clear. I'm shadow Foreign Secretary.

This is somebody who will be Prime Minister and he is saying that NATO

is a major problem and the Labour Party should campaign against it. It

is not fair if you heard what he said at Chatham House he did not say

this. He did not say this. He is clear about NATO. You can unsay

these thing of things. You can changeure mind. A loft politicians

-- you can change your mind. Now the UN. Will a Labour Government in

Britain engage in military operations without the support of

the UN? Ever? We don't think that it is right for there to be

interventions without it being done on a multilateral by a sichlts we

did not think it was right to support Donald Trump in bombing

Syria. We think that that undermines the security of the world and the

best way for the international community to proveed -- proceed is

by agreement. That means the UN Security Council. Yes. Is it right

to give countries like China and Russia a veto over any possibility

of us using military action. It is very important. I think on Kosovo,

the Russians were vetoing the use of force in relation to Kosovo, but

there was international agreement that there should be some action in

Kosovo with the exception of the Russian and there was the

development of the doctrine of responsibility to protect. So it was

legal to be an involvement. Robin Cook led the charge on that and he

voted for that. He was responsible and he was developing a

responsibility to protect doctrine. And Jeremy Corbyn spoke against

that. Who was right? I think that Robin was right. And Jeremy Corbyn

was wrong. So looking ahead to other possible areas of tension, do you

think a future Labour Government would send a task force to the

Falklands? Yes. Again Jeremy Corbyn said he wants to negotiate with the

Argentine Government about the Falklands and I wouldn't if you --

wonder if you would be part of that? If British citizens are being

attacked, we protect them, but we don't want to be like the

Conservatives who seem to be so gung ho and we will bomb this and do

that. You're to look at the alternatives first. There is no

settlement to international disputes without there being international

agreement. It is a question of how do you get there fastest. If we are

under attack, we protect ourselves. Is there a compromise over the

Falklands? I think as so long as the people wish to remain British, they

remain British. That won't be compromised. I think there needs to

be a future in terms of talking to the neighbours of the Falklands and

I think that it is to the economic advantage of both that they're able

to work more closely. But certainly not under mining the sovereignty of

the islands. This is not what the Jeremy Corbyn staid. It seems

ridiculous to get into conflict with Argentina, the islanders have a say,

but let's bring about a sensible dialogue. He is saying let's talk

about the future of the islands. I'm quoting Jeremy Corbyn. That is fine.

What Jeremy Corbyn said, why do I Addis agree rngs o' O'o' O'-- why

should I disagree. I don't agree with you. What I have said is in

line with what Jeremy said. Now the big policy announcement from the

Labour Party, the Robin hood tax, Sadiq Khan said it is madness and if

you proceed companies will leave the UK when we're leaving the EU already

and it is a dangerous policy. I don't think that is again an exact

quote. Madness is exact. The truth is that at the moment, there are, we

have a tax, which is, which applies when you buy shares and some people

called market makers who are hedge funds and if they buy shares, they

don't pay tax. That seems to be a development and the other thing is

we also think we should extend the tax to different financial

instruments, because that is a betting on the stock market and will

help the market. Many other countries do it. Clint Hillary

Clinton wanted to do it. The European Union are looking into

developing a policy. But you agree it should be done with other

countries to avoid hedge fund managers to moving to Paris or where

they want to move to? I think that actually the House of Lords

committee was interesting and looked at changes in behaviour and said

they didn't think it would be as drastic as some say. It is a

question of just tidying the tax up and it doesn't seem to be right you

can be bet on the stock market or a company's debts s and not pay tax.

But if you invest you do. What about your colleagues who are telling

voters vote for me, that doesn't mean a Labour Government. I think

that everyby wishes to have, we will get a Conservative or a Labour

Government that is the the choice the people have. There is a

different vision. Our vision for Britain is a different one to the

Tories' and people need to accept that. We want... Candidates who say

vote for me, that does not affect the future of the Government are

being defeatist. We have another three weeks to go. Everything is to

play for and we have, you can see the way we are attracting more

support and I think the things we came out with are popular and we are

talking to the public and giving them answers to problems and people

need to look at the choice. No Theresa May's hair or whether Jeremy

Corbyn should save, but about which politicians can offer you what. What

is the two different futures that Britain has and the Labour is a much

more positive one and in line with what people wants. I don't want

people to be as defeatist. As to whether Jeremy Corbyn should

shave, we can discuss that again!