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We are joined by Emily Thornberry. In a few weeks time, you could be

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Foreign Secretary. Will you at that point tell Donald Trump he is not

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welcome for a state visit? No, because he has been invited and I

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think it was a mistake to invite him as quickly as he was invited,

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frankly, President Obama had to wait for years. Some people would say so

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much for your radical change. Jeremy Corbyn said he was not welcome in

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Britain. I mean... It takes these things in stages. We have to welcome

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the American president to Britain. We have to work with him. The

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difference that I have is I will be prepared to stand up to him and say,

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I'm sorry, Mr President, you're wrong about that, we are supposed to

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be friends and these values are not our values. You're doing the wrong

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thing. You know what he is like, he may not want to come. There we are.

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I here he doesn't want to share with Prince Charles, because he doesn't

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agree on climate change. It will be a bumpy ride. Under Labour he still

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comes here? We can't disinvite him that, would be a mistake. Why not?

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Because it would be to the detriment of the country. Now the ethical

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foreign policy, you have said that Labour unlike the Conservatives

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would not turn a blind eye to human rights abuses in China. What does

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that actually mean? We shouldn't be, we should not be afraid to raise

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these issues despite the fact we may be going for a trade deal, but we

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have to be clear about the things that we disagree with. I'm very

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worried that when I see Theresa May going to the gulf states and after

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trade deals, she doesn't raise the issue of Yemen or that Saudi Arabia

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has been bombing weddings and funerals and civilian targets. Is

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your foreign policy sufficiently ethical, if you raise the issues and

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get a dusty or hostile response, the Chinese hate this and the stop trade

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deals, you would endanger the involvement of the China in our

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nuclear industry. I'm not saying we are going to boycott China. But

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there is a middle way through the sort of fawning which I think we

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have seen Theresa May indulging in with trump and the way we would

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approach things. Now Trident, you don't like the Trump administration

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and yet we rely on that administration for close

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co-operation to make our Trident submarines work. Do you withdraw

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that co-operation, will it still depend on the the Americans. The

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most important part of our defence is NATO, that and that a partnership

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with America and our allies. We have been committed to NATO for a number

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of years. That won'ts will continue. So NATO is important for you? Yes. I

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ask you that, because Jeremy Corbyn disagrees with that, he is is what

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he said, here is Jeremy Corbyn talking about NATO. We in the

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radical end, the left of the unions and the Labour Party have got to be

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realistic that NATO is a major problem and a ma swror difficulty

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and to campaign against NATO and its global reach, because it is a danger

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to world peace and security. Are you going to campaign against NATO's

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word power. That is a quote from six years ago. Jeremy has been on a

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journey to coin a phrase and there have been discussions and it has

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been made you know, we have had, it is clear that the predominance of

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opinion within the Labour Party is we are committed to NATO. The

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reality is that we have been relying on our partnership in NATO in the

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way we have committing things f we were to pull out of NATO. How would

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we get our forces... Hang on, our force off Salisbury Plain without

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the assistance of NATO? We don't have enough frigates to move them on

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to the continent of Europe if necessary if the Russians were to

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come. Have you made these points to Jeremy Corbyn? Yes. You put him back

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in his box, he repeated those sentiments in his leadership

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campaign. Our NATO commitment is clear. You repudiate what Jeremy

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Corbyn said in 2011. I'm not fighting with anybody, I'm telling

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you the Labour Party's position is clear. I'm shadow Foreign Secretary.

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This is somebody who will be Prime Minister and he is saying that NATO

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is a major problem and the Labour Party should campaign against it. It

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is not fair if you heard what he said at Chatham House he did not say

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this. He did not say this. He is clear about NATO. You can unsay

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these thing of things. You can changeure mind. A loft politicians

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-- you can change your mind. Now the UN. Will a Labour Government in

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Britain engage in military operations without the support of

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the UN? Ever? We don't think that it is right for there to be

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interventions without it being done on a multilateral by a sichlts we

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did not think it was right to support Donald Trump in bombing

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Syria. We think that that undermines the security of the world and the

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best way for the international community to proveed -- proceed is

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by agreement. That means the UN Security Council. Yes. Is it right

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to give countries like China and Russia a veto over any possibility

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of us using military action. It is very important. I think on Kosovo,

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the Russians were vetoing the use of force in relation to Kosovo, but

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there was international agreement that there should be some action in

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Kosovo with the exception of the Russian and there was the

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development of the doctrine of responsibility to protect. So it was

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legal to be an involvement. Robin Cook led the charge on that and he

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voted for that. He was responsible and he was developing a

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responsibility to protect doctrine. And Jeremy Corbyn spoke against

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that. Who was right? I think that Robin was right. And Jeremy Corbyn

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was wrong. So looking ahead to other possible areas of tension, do you

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think a future Labour Government would send a task force to the

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Falklands? Yes. Again Jeremy Corbyn said he wants to negotiate with the

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Argentine Government about the Falklands and I wouldn't if you --

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wonder if you would be part of that? If British citizens are being

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attacked, we protect them, but we don't want to be like the

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Conservatives who seem to be so gung ho and we will bomb this and do

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that. You're to look at the alternatives first. There is no

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settlement to international disputes without there being international

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agreement. It is a question of how do you get there fastest. If we are

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under attack, we protect ourselves. Is there a compromise over the

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Falklands? I think as so long as the people wish to remain British, they

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remain British. That won't be compromised. I think there needs to

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be a future in terms of talking to the neighbours of the Falklands and

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I think that it is to the economic advantage of both that they're able

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to work more closely. But certainly not under mining the sovereignty of

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the islands. This is not what the Jeremy Corbyn staid. It seems

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ridiculous to get into conflict with Argentina, the islanders have a say,

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but let's bring about a sensible dialogue. He is saying let's talk

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about the future of the islands. I'm quoting Jeremy Corbyn. That is fine.

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What Jeremy Corbyn said, why do I Addis agree rngs o' O'o' O'-- why

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should I disagree. I don't agree with you. What I have said is in

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line with what Jeremy said. Now the big policy announcement from the

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Labour Party, the Robin hood tax, Sadiq Khan said it is madness and if

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you proceed companies will leave the UK when we're leaving the EU already

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and it is a dangerous policy. I don't think that is again an exact

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quote. Madness is exact. The truth is that at the moment, there are, we

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have a tax, which is, which applies when you buy shares and some people

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called market makers who are hedge funds and if they buy shares, they

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don't pay tax. That seems to be a development and the other thing is

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we also think we should extend the tax to different financial

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instruments, because that is a betting on the stock market and will

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help the market. Many other countries do it. Clint Hillary

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Clinton wanted to do it. The European Union are looking into

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developing a policy. But you agree it should be done with other

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countries to avoid hedge fund managers to moving to Paris or where

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they want to move to? I think that actually the House of Lords

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committee was interesting and looked at changes in behaviour and said

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they didn't think it would be as drastic as some say. It is a

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question of just tidying the tax up and it doesn't seem to be right you

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can be bet on the stock market or a company's debts s and not pay tax.

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But if you invest you do. What about your colleagues who are telling

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voters vote for me, that doesn't mean a Labour Government. I think

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that everyby wishes to have, we will get a Conservative or a Labour

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Government that is the the choice the people have. There is a

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different vision. Our vision for Britain is a different one to the

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Tories' and people need to accept that. We want... Candidates who say

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vote for me, that does not affect the future of the Government are

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being defeatist. We have another three weeks to go. Everything is to

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play for and we have, you can see the way we are attracting more

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support and I think the things we came out with are popular and we are

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talking to the public and giving them answers to problems and people

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need to look at the choice. No Theresa May's hair or whether Jeremy

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Corbyn should save, but about which politicians can offer you what. What

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is the two different futures that Britain has and the Labour is a much

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more positive one and in line with what people wants. I don't want

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people to be as defeatist. As to whether Jeremy Corbyn should

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shave, we can discuss that again!

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