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charges in Germany. And Mauricio Pochettino's future


with the club. That's in Sportsday after the papers.


Good to see they are keeping hydrated at the BBC sports centre.


Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be


bringing us tomorrow. With me are Paul Johnson, deputy editor of The


Guardian, and entrepreneur Shazia Awan. Tomorrow's front pages. We


start with the Daily Telegraph. It claims that the Chancellor's planned


minimum wage rise is aimed at winning Labour votes. But business


leaders fear it may put jobs at risk.


That call by the Chancellor for an above-inflation increase in the


minimum wage makes the lead in the financial times.


The Express says homeowners can look forward to more soaring prices,


adding ?25,000 to the average property value.


And a starving child in a refugee camp in Damascus. . And Dame Judi


Dench and Cate Blanchett go head to head at the Oscars.


Several front pages are focusing on the Chancellor's ideas for the


minimum wage. The Daily Telegraph says the announcement is an attempt


to win Labour votes at the next election.


A bit of a turn-up isn't it that we've now got a Conservative


Chancellor championing an above-average increase for the


minimum wage? That's a bit of a turn-up. It is a theatrical moment,


a dramatic moment. It endorses what somebody in power can do. It is not


a pledge, because the Low Pay Commission have to endorse this. But


this is meant to do two things. One, it is meant to endorse George


Osborne's ability to use this catchphrase, which is worn and


irritates many people, "We are all in it together." He can say I'm


looking at the bottom of the poor working people, as well as those at


the top. But it also says, is I can outflank Labour on this. Shazia, we


must mention it, as you did stand as a Conservative candidate in one of


the constituencies they were fighting. What's happening within


the Conservative Party as far as you can tell? A few years ago they were


saying no, the minimum wage is a terrible idea, it will cost jobs,


and it hasn't. Perhaps it is rather a cynical look at it from my point


of view but it seems that all the main parties are gearing up for a


May 2015 general election, and all of a sudden these things are being


pushed out there. . Ed Miliband is making a speech tomorrow about the


economy. I just think it is that time where all of the parties are


trying to rally support however they can. This rise from ?6.31 to ?7, you


could look at it the other way as a business owner and think, is this


going to put a strain on the money that I have within my business, and


could it lead to job losses in the long term? That's what the CBI have


come out with today. Would it really entice Labour voters to the


Conservatives? I think it makes the Conservative Party a warmer and more


acceptable image. It was meant to grab the headlines, as Shazia says,


on the eve of a big speech by Ed Miliband. But one of the other


principal problems of this is we could see this being outflanked. The


living wage for instance is set at ?8.80. That's voluntary but one of


the biggest proponents of that is one Boris Johnson. Coventry council


has started doing that. Can we really continue with the minimum


wage as it is when to the taxpayer there is an enormous expense of


having to pay people in work these benefits? Nobody can survive on ?7


an hour if they are working full time. You can't cover the basics


with that. It is a tricky issue. George Osborne is trying to appear


as warm and fuzzy as he can by trying to address this. The real


struggle that the cost of living has risen so fast before wages have seen


a rise. 2008 was the last time we saw a significant change there. The


idea of sharing the recovery with everybody. Let's look at the


Guardian. NSA, this is the American National Security Agency, gathers


200 million texts a day. This is a story that the Guardian's had mile


age out of with the information that you got from Edward Snowden. Tell us


how this works. What's the point of gathering 200 million texts a day.


It is a ridiculous amount of information. It is an extraordinary


story. This is Operation Dish Fire, which is mounted by the Americans.


Basically this says it can collect untargeted and unwarranted items.


200 million texts a day. Rather creepily, 800,000 credit card


transactions a day. These are targeted by the NSA abroad. Some of


this information is passed back and is at the use of GCHQ. That on the


surface would be illegal. GCHQ say no, we are restricted here and


haven't gone outside the law. I want to know who signed a paper to say


this is legal. For the first time we've had a telecoms company in


Britain, a very big global company - Vodafone - are saying on the surface


we are really shocked by what's happening. On the surface it doesn't


look legal to us and we want to meet the Government next week to discuss


this as soon as possible. This is a story you've mentioned Shazia that


the NSA was on the front page as. Are people still interested in this


It is a difficult one. There's so much mileage in this story. It seems


to have been going on and on. I don't think we've seen the the end


of it, because it is such a blatant invasion of peop's privacy. But it


is the metadata, it is about the traffic that moves back and forth...


And what can be taken from that. It is not a content. The you don't need


the continent necessarily if you've got the metadata. Tomorrow if Barack


Obama replies to his NSA panel, he wants to hake this a global event.


He is holding a press conference, he's been in touch with David


Cameron over what he's going to say. A press conference at 4 o'clock


tomorrow, because he's so worried about the reactions in Europe


particularly, trying to explain why the NSA spied on Angela Merkel, on


heads of state, on the EU, on EU commissioners and on charities. But


they are exactly the people you would expect to be spied on rather


than the likes of us. I don't think the Germans have reacted in the same


way! The Mail has a campaign to look inside the secret courts that can


lead to children being taken from their parents, or older people being


forced into care homes. They are saying victory at last. Decisions


will be open to public scrutiny. The Mail claiming a bit of a success


here Shazia. It is odd that we pride ourselves on a judicial system which


is tremendously open and yet in this part of the courts, we know precious


little about what goes on. Absolutely. I find it strange that


decisions about something as important as vital as children


staying with their families or not canner or whether they are going to


be put into care aren't in the open, and everything is done in a cloak


and dagger way. It is time that things came more out into the open.


So that people involved in these decisions, councils and social


workers, will have to be more answerable. It is laudable. Open


justice demands the publicity here. I think it is admirable what the


Mail's done and to secure victory is terrific. The Mail doing something


admirable, wow! I never thought I would hear that. From a Guardian


man, that's a first. They have a focus on people trapped by the


fighting in Syria. This is a picture of a little girl who, incredibly,


died shortly after this photograph was taken. Looking at her conditions


there, it isn't really a surprise. She lost her battle to cling to


life. The image of her face is becoming the symbol of a wider


nightmare. You wonder what we have achieved with the chemical weapons


declaration in Syria and whether that has won a great deal of fruit


for the people caught up in it. This is an extraordinary front page. It


is a haunting picture. Sometimes, on occasions like this, a picture like


this portrays that individual suffering, especially of a child,


and it will gather momentum around it. When you read this story, you go


back to that debate. Britain has given ?500 million, and our


government is during proud of that, to help the refugees. But there is


another debate to say, shouldn't we take in more refugees? It is a


difficult place to get to Britain from Syria. Shouldn't we be taking


more in? There is a real danger of destabilising the area around Jordan


and Lebanon. It might encourage us to give more money ourselves as


individuals, but diplomatically and politically, you wonder where it is


going to go. This is such a haunting picture and a classic example of a


picture speaking a thousand words. Anyone who looks at this certainly


can't ignore it. It will reignite the debate about whether we should


open up our borders more to these people. Let's move on to the Daily


Express. Another of its favourite subjects, house prices. Apparently,


they are going to soar by ?25,000. You wonder who this is helping. If


you are trying to get a foot on the ladder, you will struggle if prices


are going up like this. Absolutely. Particularly in London, presses are


through the roof. It makes it very difficult for young people to get a


foot on the housing ladder. Even with these different schemes that


are around to help people. We keep coming back to the problem that not


enough houses are being built. Supply and a are not working. The


rental market is under pressure. This concept of the average house


price is nonsense. The geographical differences, you have got London


acting completely differently. There are vast regional differentiation


is. The maths don't add up. Let's look at one of the other stories in


the Daily Telegraph. Women leave motherhood too late, warns medical


chief. You are brave person to that, aren't you? Ahad teacher a few years


ago suggested it in a speech to young women. Don't think you can


have it all, because you might come unstuck. Dame Sally Davies says the


average age of the first-time mother in the UK is now 30, the oldest in


the world, tied with Germany. She goes on to say that women are now


seeking an education. Some of them are travelling, some are having


careers. That may be behind this. It probably is, but that doesn't alter


the fact that if you want to have a family at 40, you might struggle. It


might be medically difficult at 40 to have a baby, but then it might be


medically difficult for some women to have a baby at 21. I am very


surprised at this article and her views, because it is a very


old-fashioned viewpoint, saying that women are leaving motherhood too


late. Women are having an education and a career of their own. Why can't


we have it all? All I know is that when women have them, it is


exhausting. You will both be back with us at 11:30pm to look at the


stories making the front pages. Stay with us, because at 11 o'clock, we


are hoping to speak to Chiwetel Ejiofor, the Oscar-nominated star of


12 Years A Slave. Coming up next, Sportsday. Welcome to


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