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tour. All that come, with the crucial Heineken cup scores and

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Britain's skeleton bob record-breaker. All of that after

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The Papers. Hello and welcome to our look at the

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morning's papers. With me are the Weekend Editor of The Mirror, Alison

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Phillips, and the broadcaster Alice Arnold.

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25 leading charities have urged David Cameron to sign up to a UN

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scheme to resettle Syrian refugees, the Independent says. The Mail says

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the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge have set up companies to protect

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their brands. The Mirror reports on the trial of the Coronation Street

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actor Bill Roache. The Telegraph says Nick Clegg has warned David

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Cameron to be "honest and up front" about plans to build two new garden

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cities in Kent and Buckinghamshire. The Times reports claims that some

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minority communities are operating their own justice systems, with

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offences as serious as murder going unreported to police. And the

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Guardian leads on the reforms to American surveillance announced by

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President Obama. The financial Times has the same

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lead story, saying that Obama was defiant about the surveillance. We

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begin with the story that has been dominating news bulletins for the

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last couple of days, which is the continuing search for three-year-old

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Mikaeel Kool are, missing from his home in Edinburgh. -- Mikaeel Kular.

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The Independent looks at the hundreds of volunteers who have

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helped in the search. The Scottish edition of the Telegraph says that

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police have admitted that Mikaeel could have been the victim of a

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criminal act, and the Sun focuses on a possible sighting of the little

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boy. Of course, hugely worrying when a little boy goes missing, but the

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story has changed over the last 24 hours. Last night the police said

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they did not believe there was any criminality but now that is a

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distinct possibility. It changed during the day. They have the

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sighting this morning but we never got any details of whether that was

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him. There were things saying he was wearing a hat, and Mikaeel did not

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like wearing hats, which most children don't, actually. We have

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not heard that someone has come forward and said, actually that was

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our child, but they seem to be playing less on that now and

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suddenly the words "criminal act" have come in, which had not been

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used until this evening. A very powerful photograph, with all the

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people from the neighbourhood turning up to help look for him. It

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has been amazing work by the community of people turning out. It

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is only just above freezing. If that little boy is on his own wandering

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around, lost or something terrible, that is a terrible thought. But at

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the same time as the police are doing that search with local people,

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they will obviously be looking at other avenues as to what may

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possibly have happened to him. A number of people have spoken to the

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media. Parents, saying, I want to be out here because I hope everyone

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would do the same if it were my child. Her absolutely. They are

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spreading across quite a wide area. One would think that immediate

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search would be relevant if he had wandered off himself. It's something

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else is happening, you may not be so near home. The police often know

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things they are not able to let us know. They will be pursuing all

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sorts of lines of enquiry that we are not necessarily aware of. There

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have been a number of sightings, but none confirmed at this point. They

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will be interviewing members of the family, going through his usual

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routines, all sorts of things we are not aware of. We also found out

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today that he has not been to his nursery since Christmas, so has not

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been seen by people who would ordinarily see him. There is clearly

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a lot to be looked at. In the meantime, it is incredibly

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heartening, because these people going out trying to look for him,

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they just want him home safe. And as you say, the weather is really tough

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up there. It was hard work. Let's move on and look at the Times. The

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story is that police are worried that certain communities across the

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country are taking the law into their own hands. Some very serious

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crimes, even murder, are going unreported. What is the suggestion,

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that they do not trust the police, or that there is their own form of

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justice? This is the Chief Inspector of Constabulary who has said he

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believes there are large communities of people. He uses the quote "that

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may have been born under different skies" . They have their own forms

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of justice and things, as you say, as serious as murder. This is how

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problems are being resolved and there are some areas where police

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are never called. However, it must be said that the police are

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disputing this. The Chief Constable of the West Midlands says he does

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not believe this to be the case. How much of it is anecdotal, we are not

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certain. You would imagine the Chief Inspector of Constabulary would not

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say this lightly and would have had a look at some figures. One would

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have thought, and it compares the situation to West Belfast at the

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height of the troubles. They had different skies in Belfast, cloudy

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ones, slightly different to ours, where the IRA to justice into their

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own hands. Lots of paramilitary groups did. They sorted things out

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within their own communities. The intimation is that the sort of

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crimes they may be talking about would be things like honour

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killings, domestic abuse, assaults on children and female genital

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mutilation. That is what Mr Windsor has said. He said honour killings

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would be the most extreme case, but those are the sort of things he is

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killing about. Not mass civil unrest, and police not daring to go

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into areas. There is an issue about whether police should only be

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invited in to investigate when they have a report of a crime. You would

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hope that police operate in such a way that they are part of local

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communities and they know the kind of things that are going on before

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having to wait for the 999 calls. That is what the police would want

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us to know they are doing. If I see police officers about it is in the

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daytime and they are often community support officers checking that

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everyone is fine. Now, because there are Sony targets in policing, it is

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probably a lot easier, if you are looking at your clear up rate, to

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wait until something is reported and then clear it up. If it is never

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reported, it is not your problem. If the police are not called, we do not

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go. That is not what we thought would be going on. Last week there

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was an article in the Independent saying that two out of five race

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hate crimes were not being reported. Partly because people don't believe

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they will be investigated properly. How can they be investigated if they

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are not being reported? Very difficult. There is no suggestion

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that there are reprisals taking place, home-grown justice being

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meted out. I think he is saying that they are dealing with handing out

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justice. I do not know if it is anything as official as courts, or

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if it is on an ad hoc basis. They did talk about sharia courts. They

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say there is a re-emergence of a failure to report crimes.

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Interesting language. In those cases, I think they would be talking

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about a justice system of a sort, outside our justice system. It is

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not clear the degree to which this is going on. I can't believe it is

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particularly great, when you think of a number of crimes reported to

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police every day, I don't believe this is a large number of incidents.

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It is his first annual assessment of the state of policing, due to be

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published in a couple of weeks. Let's move on to the Daily

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Telegraph, not the Scottish version, which is leading on the search for

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the missing three-year-old. A different edition for other parts of

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the country. The story we are going to look at is Miliband's threat

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wipes Williams off state banks. This was the promise, or threat, from Ed

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Miliband to bring a day of reckoning on the banking sector to create

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greater competition, introduce so-called challenger banks, which

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would hopefully take some of the business away from the Big Five. It

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had an effect that maybe he was not anticipating, in that the share

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price of RBS and Lloyds has gone down somewhat. He wiped ?2 billion

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of the energy companies when he said he would freeze energy prices. That

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is 3 billion in total off the economy as a whole. Obviously, the 1

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billion is our money, because we are in those banks. Whether it is a

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gaffe or not, there was a lot of criticism about what he said, that

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he did not have the big idea for the economy, and that his speech lacked

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originality and creativity in actually solving our problems. Not a

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bad idea, I don't think. They are an easy target. I think people do

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think, stick it to the banks. Actually, ordinary people have been

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turned over by the energy companies and by the banks. Small businesses

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cannot get money off banks because they do not want to lend to them.

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Before he made the speech, the governor of the Bank of England was

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saying this would not increase competition but would just have the

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banks getting rid of customers they don't think are a good bet. He has

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said that, but that does not necessarily mean it is true. What is

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interesting is that finally we have got somebody looking at it from the

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consumer side. Yes, they have taken a hit today but I can't believe they

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won't recover at some point in the future. They will not be ?1 billion

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down forever. But we do want to try to sell these hangs off eventually.

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There is this problem with breaking the bank 's up into smaller things,

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one reason they can get money cheaply is because they are big. It

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is like the big supermarket and the corner shop. If you are saying, we

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will ban the big supermarket and it will be all corner shops, we might

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all suffer because interest rates would go up, and that would be a

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problem. You need a balance between corner shops and big supermarkets.

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But primarily, they think about their own profits, the big

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supermarkets, and the big banks, who have abused the trust of the public

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and should be held to account. In the Telegraph, terror suspects given

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lifetime anonymity am saying that Britain's most dangerous terrorism

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suspects are being freed from court controls and allowed to live

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anonymously to protect their human rights. If they've served their

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time, shouldn't they be able to get on with their lives? They have been

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observed for a two-year time limit. Obviously they've been observed. If

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they have done anything they could have been arrested for in that time,

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they would have been arrested. They haven't done anything, so one would

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assume then - what other choice is there? You keep people on permanent

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surveillance. It is a tricky area. There has been huge outrage about

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the vast cost of carrying this out. But like you say, technically in the

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eyes of the law they are innocent. So, what can be done, really? And

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they couldn't live under their own identities very easily, could they?

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It is like a number of offenders who are released into the community,

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live can be very difficult for them. Some people might say quite rightly.

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If they were suspects for that length of time, no smoke without

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fire. And they didn't just follow these people willy-nilly. They had

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real concerns about them, however, still, despite that... But they want

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charge them. So real concern, and being able to charge someone, if you

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can't charge them, then... Let's manufacture on and look at the Daily

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Mail. Kate and Wills Inc. The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge who have

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secretly, not so secret now, have set up companies to protect their

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brand just like the Beck hams. Aren't the royals meant to be above

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this kind of thing? I wonder if Kate have seen those dreadful dolls

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people keep making of her with the hair and she thought that's enough

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we ought to control our brand. It is being portrayed here they are doing

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it to make money, whether they are I'm not sure, maybe they are doing

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it to safeguard themselves. Are we talking mugs in essence? Mugs, tea

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towels. Surely they are not going to be able it stop all the other. It

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would mean litigation, it would mean they have to sue companies who use

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their image. We know the Royal Family don't like going to court

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over stuff, it is odd. I know, I knted imagine them stopping. But if

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it was done in such a which that was unpleasant or wrong, it gives them

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grounds to do something. Well, there you go. That's what they are doing.

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We've all got a brand these days, haven't we? That's the papers, we

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will be back with our own special brand with Alice and Alison at

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11.30pm to take another look at the front pages. Stay with us on BBC

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News, at 11.00pm, the search for three-year-old, Mikaeel Kular,

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police say he may have disappeared following a criminal act. Coming up

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next, time for Sports Day.

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