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in 25 matches. Andy Murray takes on Roger Federer tomorrow morning. And

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news of Manchester City cruising into the League Cup final, all in

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Sportsday after the Papers in about 15 minutes' time.

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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing

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us tomorrow, with me Martin Bentham of the Evening Standard and

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broadcaster Daisy McAndrew, welcome to both of you. Tomorrow's front

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pages, then, starting with the Telegraph, saying that thousands of

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patients suffering from cancer are being denied the drugs they need

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from the NHS. The metro lead story, three Tottenham Hotspur fans being

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charged for using racially abusive language. The express says a new

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treatment soon to be available on the NHS could help Britain's 10

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million migraine sufferers. China's offshore secrets revealed,

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that the headline on the front of the Guardian. The Daily Mail is

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reporting on a 16-year-old student who died after taking ecstasy at a

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party in London. And the Times are saying Theresa May is in a stand-off

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with Downing Street over stop and search powers used by police. It

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also pictures the fold of champion racehorse wrangle under the caption,

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million dollar baby. -- Frankel. We will begin with the Daily

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Telegraph, the story about the NHS and the lottery of NHS drugs is the

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headline, punishing the dying. Martin, this is the idea that not

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everybody who needs the drugs is getting them. Yes, and the story

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here is about the body NICE which regulates drugs and decides whether

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they are cost effective or not. Sometimes there are controversies

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because they do not license things because they are too expensive, but

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on this occasion all of these drugs have been approved by them, and yet

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the report suggests that 14,000 patients per year are not receiving

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them. Various other drugs are involved. It is suggesting it is a

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postcode lottery that different trusts, health trusts, are allowing

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people to have these drugs, others aren't, and again it raises this

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debate about resources in the NHS. What we don't we have in this

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story, I think, is an explanation from the trusts that are not giving

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it to people, why that is. I think they are reading between the lines,

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these as patient will be that these are very, very expensive drugs, and

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most of the patients who are not receiving these drugs are terminally

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ill. Therefore, of course, the suspicion is that in some way these

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trusts don't see these patients was worth the money and worth the

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investment, because brutally they are going to die anyway. We have had

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this many times, this accusation that terminally ill patients, the

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matter what they are suffering with, don't get the treatment that, as

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Martin said, organisations like NICE have stipulated that they should be

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getting. In some of these cases, with these very serious cancers,

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yes, it is not going to save their life, but they could double their

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life span from it, and they are not getting the treatment. NICE was set

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up with the intention of getting away from the postcode lottery,

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something should be available across the board. I suppose the trouble is

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you still get to that basic debate, don't you, about the use of

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resources? Each health trust will have the man is on its resources,

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different numbers of people being treated in A and so on, so each

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one has its and -- as its own dilemmas. Nobody wants to see... How

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much is one drug were compared to smaller treatments to me I suppose

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people want to see transparency, and they want to understand the wise and

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wherefores. A lot of charities are saying that the problem is that even

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when patients do know that these drugs exist, and many times they

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have never heard of them, these patients are in the most traumatic

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period of their life, and the last thing they feel like doing is

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fighting a bureaucracy when they want to be positive and looking

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after family members. It is a terrible story. Also on the front of

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the Allograft, an interesting question posed in the headline, is

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collect's angry wife behind his battle with Rennard? -- the

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Telegraph. There are plenty of angry women who are angry with Nick Clegg

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for the way he has handled the Lord Rennard story. I worked with Chris

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Rennard in a very small team for two years. I am rather long in the

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truth, we are going back many years, this was up to the 1991 election,

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1999-2001 election, and my experience of him was as an

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extremely nice, caring, important and well respected man. He was very

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powerful, and everybody looked up to him, and everybody knew that, you

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know, this was a man who could make a big difference. I never, either

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personally or heard rumours about any of his alleged bad behaviour.

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Now, I'm not saying that the allegations are not true, I simply

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have no idea, but the way that the party has handled it has been an

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absolute dogs dinner. -- dog's dinner. What about this question, is

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it just allowing the question to sit there? It does rather do that,

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suggesting that she has been left furious, but not actually explaining

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how they know this. Obviously, these ideas go around, people here

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things, and that may well be the case, she is very much standing up

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for woman in all the things she does, Miriam Clegg, so it would not

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be surprising that you took that view, but we haven't actually heard

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it direct from the horse's mouth. Going back to your dog's dinner, how

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do they get out of it? Leadership is a very difficult business,

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especially when you are faced with something like this, and I do think

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that Nick Clegg was dammed if he did and dammed if he didn't. These were

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serious allegations from women who were themselves respected within the

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party, certainly they have to be listened to, and the internal

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workings of the Lib Dems are so ridiculously convoluted and

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complicated that they have really tied Nick Clegg's hands behind his

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back, and he has not been able to do what most leaders in a modern

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democracy should be able to do, which is kind of, in some ways, what

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he wants in order to create stability in order to send that

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message down. So there was a problem there, and funnily enough, Chris

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Rennard was one of the people that I often heard the moaning the

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ridiculous constitution that the Lib Dems add, whereby they had all these

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reports and so many chiefs, so many chiefs rather than just one cheap.

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Where he goes from here... Watch the next few days! The High Court, by

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the sound of its! Very expensive lawyers and very high profile

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coverage. The Metro has a story which does appear any De Graaf as

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well, the Y word. -- in the Telegraph. This is three Tottenham

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fans being charged for using the word Yid, it is a subject of

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controversy, because Tottenham fans have this chance because of their

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association with Jewish supporters of the club. They see it,

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apparently, as something that is self mocking. They say it is a word

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they have taken ownership of. Exactly, it was chatter that there,

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with some hatred, and they have turned it around. -- chanted at

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them. The FA have said it is inappropriate and might be offensive

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to some people. David Cameron got involved and said he thought, in

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essence, that it was acceptable if it was used in a self mocking way

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and should only be prosecuted as an offence if it was inciting hatred.

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Obviously, we don't know the context of this, it will be thrashed out in

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court. I have sympathy with David Cameron's point of view, because I

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think a word like that surely has to be either given with hate or

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received with beer, but if it is neither received with beer, as in

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Glenn Hoddle and Les Ferdinand, the two most celebrated as both players

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ever, they are bombarded with the word when they come on as a form of

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adulation. It is very, very difficult, and as you said, it is

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their word, they should do what they want with it. On the other and, it

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is not nice in many other contexts. Troenks events in Syria in the

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Guardian. Killings in Syria could be the tip of the iceberg. That's when

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of the fears we have heard today. This may not be the whole story?

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Exactly. The story here points out that Syrian activists say an

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estimated 50,000 detainees are unaccounted for, so that obviously

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adds another 40,000 even if 11,000 were among those 50,000 and yet the

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numbers could be almost incalculable. It's an absolutely

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grim and gruesome story. The story unfortunately is that it makes the

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prospects of any settlement, any agreement, from the start of the

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Geneva talks tomorrow, even more remote. It didn't look very

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promising even before this came out with the talks starting with many of

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the combatants not participating and it makes it all the more difficult

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and the killings may go on unfortunately. Killing does happen

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in wars but this is something quite different. They refer to these as

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torture centres. Most would think of them as concentration camps. Many

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people are drawing comparisons with Belsen and Auschwitz which will send

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a shiver down the spine of any politician thinking, how on earth do

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we deal with this if it's on that scale of atrocity and also, how can

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we not do something if it's on that scale?

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Let's move to the front of the Daily Mail. This story has provoked an

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interesting series of talking boys on BBC News today. A generation of

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men still living with their parents. Daisy, we are told this is to do

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with economics and a whole array of other factors as well? It's to do

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with tuition fees, the cost of your first home. I was reading average

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costs of a first home has jumped from ?50,000 in 1996 perhaps when we

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were looking to buy our first home, not saying we are all that old, it's

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nearly ?200,000 now. You know, I've often reported that a first time

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buyer can't get their deposit together until an average age of 36.

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I worry. I was in a fortunate position when in my first job that I

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could live with my parents because my parents lived in London that.

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Gave me an immediate advantage over all the other young people of my age

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whose parents didn't live in London. You have to have a north -- you have

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a north south divide and an urban rural divide. That schism is going

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to get bigger and bigger. The old idea of people getting on their bike

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to move jobs is already completely flawed for the same reason. It's

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difficult. We have this problem with internships that people have to work

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for nothing to get their foot in the door. Bank of Mum and dad. Yes, the

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figures hardly reflect the impacts of those things. That's just at the

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very start of it. If anything, the situation's going to get worse

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because prices are going up of housing, debts are increasing for

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young people and it's grave concern to all parents actually, never mind

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the children. Quite! It's a big issue that people don't want to see.

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They generally hope their children have a better future than they do,

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not a worse one that. 's a big issue of concern for a lot of people. It's

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interesting that it's significantly statistically more men than women

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and in the old days we might say that's because women are moving in

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with their house houses -- hiss and getting married. -- Husbands and

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getting married. It makes me wonder whether they just want their laundry

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done! Worried about the Lang Juan of --

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language of politics. Stop the hate, your thoughts on this? She's a young

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MP, exactly my age. I don't want to bang on about age but we are coming

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back to Tory party, the party of hate and she's called Nicky Morgan,

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a Treasury Minister electd two years ago at the last election, and this

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is still the issue that I think the Tory party hasn't dealt with

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properly. A positive message she's saying? Yes, she's talking about

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might raying, welfare and the European Union and so on, although

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in most of those areas, they are in tune with the public, so I wonder

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about that. She said we need to be more positive, although I also

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think, talking about the things we are doing positively, which is an

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echo about the Theresa May argument about the nasty party. But the

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economic message is that the country is doing well and Labour has this

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issue as well that they are trying to say what people aren't doing so

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well. People don't like to hear negative messages necessarily. Apart

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from in elections. Yes. We'll return to that no doubt in an hour's time.

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That's it for this hour. Thank you both very much.

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Back at 11. 30 for another look at the stories making the news

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tomorrow. We'll have the latest on the shocking images smuggled out of

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Syria which war crimes expert says is evidence of systematic killing, a

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day ahead of the critical talks. Coming up next, Sportsday.

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Welcome to Sportsday with me Will Perry. The headlines:

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