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Champions League between high in Munich and Real Madrid. All of that


and more, in Sportsday, after The Papers.


Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be


bringing us tomorrow. With me are Jenni Russell, columnist at The


Times, and Neil Midgley, media writer at the Daily Telegraph. The


Express is leading on the search for the killer of Madeleine McCann. It


claims that detectives are now ready to make arrests in the Algarve. The


Telegraph is reporting on Bank of England figures, saying welfare


reforms have riven up the number of self`employed, creating a new


generation of entrepreneurs. The headline on the front of the


Guardian is referring to the Metropolitan Police's hopes that


Muslim and in might inform on family members determined to head to the


war zone. The Metro leads on a court case involving a man who allegedly


ran a ?5 million fraud scheme. The Times says a new union for classroom


teachers is to be launched. The Sun has a picture of the Duchess of


Cornwall, following the news that her brother has died after a fall in


New York yesterday. That is also the lead on the front of the Daily Mail.


The paper says the Duchess is devastated. We are going to start


with the Telegraph. Benefits cuts lift self`employment, according to


Bank of England figures. It is a good news story, isn't it? Well, if


you read the Telegraph and you believed it, you would certainly


think so. It is as if Britain has become a nation of people who are


all starting new businesses. If so, wouldn't we all celebrate? They used


to be claiming so much welfare that they had to have it, but now they


are brilliant entrepreneurs, within nine months! Unfortunately, what the


story is all about is, the Bank of England is saying that an enormous


number of Britons are now self`employed, 4.5 million, and


increase of 600,000 sinks 2010, so, one third of the new jobs created


since 2010. `` since. If you go beyond this page, and I happen to


have been writing about this recently, then the figures show that


the self`employed are earning a great deal less than the employed,


and incomes have fallen on average when to percent since 2006. So, very


often, these are self`employed cleaners or construction workers or


journalists who have lost their jobs, who are in fact finding work a


lot more difficult to get. And self`employed is what you have to be


if you have got a casual income and nobody is going to give you a job.


It sounds great but it is not in reality. That is all true, but to my


mind, it is better for people to be supporting themselves, even in low


paid work, than it is for them to be on welfare. Both for them and for


the state. I think people do have to get used to a certain amount of


insecurity in their working life, that is just the world we live in.


We no longer live in a world where you have a job for life, and a


paternalistic employer and a fully funded pension scheme. There we


would completely disagree, because you as a Conservative think that,


and I as somebody more to the left think that the whole function of the


welfare state ought to be to provide something of a trampoline, something


to bounce you back into employment. It means that as happens in Sweden


and Scandinavia, if you lose your job, then you get well supported in


the temporary period between losing that job and finding another one.


Clearly, if these people before that had to benefits, they were very well


supported! There is nothing in this story which justifies this headline.


Apart from the view expressed by the Bank of England. That is what


justifies it. But actually, when you read what the Bank of England says,


it is not borne out by the headline. It is not saying that actually this


was cause and effect. Part of the rise in self`employment appeared to


be a continuation of a longer term trend... It is possible that some of


the increase had, about in reaction to benefit caps. Possible! Those are


the words of the Bank of England, though. And only 38,000 families


have been affected by the benefit caps, and the number of


self`employed has gone up by 600,000. Neil, you have got a


personal story, how has it been going for you, someone who is


self`employed and making their own way in the world? Well, I hate to


say, for me, it is absolutely fine at the moment. He is very talented.


That is why he is on the programme! I do have a personal story, but it


is quite unusual, because I am highly educated and I have a lot of


experience in an industry, journalism, when people


traditionally are self`employed. Freelancing is a thing. But if you


are a cleaner, having to set up your own business, put leaflets through


doors, then... Yes, I think it would be wrong to look at the stories of


people like me. We should not be saying that people in very low paid


jobs should be chuffed. Which was Jenni's point. It was, but even so,


they are better off in low`paid jobs, for my mind, than they are on


welfare. Staying with the Telegraph, Jenni, you have just said, you may


be on the left of the political spectrum, but you now have an


announcement to make to the 6.7 million viewers watching The


Papers, no more wind farms if Tories win the election, and your


announcement is? Well, this does tempt me to vote Tory, at least for


a minute or two. What a brilliant idea. I think wind farms are


blighting the countryside, and there is no evidence that they are any


good at providing us with alternative energy. But if you are a


self confirmed lefty, how come you are not green? I can be, but there


is very little evidence that wind farms produce much energy. I was one


of the first people to go and see a supposedly self`sufficient


community, and he said the one thing which was a complete waste of time


was wind turbines, which have only ever generated 15% of the energy


which it was said they would. And we never have any way of saving the


energy that they make. So, you still have to have the back`up supplies


from orthodox energy supplies. But this is not just for lefties like


Jenni, is it? It is shoring up your base, this is for those Tory voters


who might be worried about, I don't know, UKIP, for instance? Yes, this


is heartland Tory stuff and it comes at a time when the Tory led


government is pushing through HS2 as fast as it can, which is going to


lose at a lot of votes in the Tory shires to the north and north`west


of London, as they cut through the Buckinghamshire countryside. The


Tories do need to do something, I think, with that heartland vote, to


say, we are still on your side in the countryside. But perversely,


this announcement is made on the same day that the Tories have


announced that you cannot stop people fracking underneath your land


in the countryside by saying they are trespassing. Anybody who likes


is going to be able to tunnel under your field, and I would have thought


that would make people even more angry than the wind farm issue.


Front page of the Guardian, optimism in industry at a 41 year high. Yes,


a very odd story for the Guardian. You think the Guardian always talks


down the nation?! No, but it is obviously a good news story for


George Osborne. And this is going to be, the nub of the story is that not


since 1973 has there been a higher level of optimism among


manufacturers. So, it is plus 33, things are going to get better for


them in the years to come. Well, firstly, that is very good economic


news, and it is also good news for George Osborne, who has been saying


that he is going to create a balanced recovery, and the recovery


this time around is not going to be just built on debt and on the


housing boom. And there is still evidence that George Osborne has


been busy in the creating debt and a housing boom `` busily creating. But


the fact that manufacturing now seems to be on the up will take yet


another arrow out of Ed Miliband's quiver. Jenni, if the economy is


doing so well, and manufacturing, which is actually only 10% of the


economy, but the service sector figures are also pretty good as


well, if that is doing well, then people's actual real wages could go


up? Well, yes, they could. But the problem with the recovery is that


all the official statistics show that it is the people at the top who


are going to get most of the benefits from the recovery. In other


words, whatever the recovery will be, it will be very unequally


distributed, and that is shown by the Government own own projections.


I think this story is significant because it might actually say George


Osborne's political career, and if it carries on, could make an


enormous difference to whether or not the Tories win the next


election. So far, the boom has been based entirely on debt and housing,


and everyone has pointed out that if it continues, it is unsustainable,


because people are running down their savings in order to spend,


because real wages have not gone up. And the Government has been waiting


in a furious of not understanding about why companies will not invest,


because it has needed them to invest, otherwise the recovery is


going to run out of steam. These are the best figures since 1973, and we


know what happened the next year. Moving onto the Express. Camilla is


devastated, as brother dies in fall. He died in what looks like a really


freak accident in New York. Yes, this is the kind of thing which you


expect to happen on a ski slope and not a pavement. When I first read


it, I thought perhaps he fell off a balcony, but apparently he simply


slipped on a pavement and injured his head so badly that he was dead


within a very short space of time. What can you say about this? He led


a very colourful life, he was romantically linked with many famous


women. Including Caroline Kennedy. He had an amazing life, and a


fantastic conservationist as well, by all accounts. Anyway, let's go to


the Telegraph. Atheists urged to be tolerant? This is a story which is


running about whether Britain is a Christian country. It has an


established church. Nick Clegg says it is flaming the obvious that


Britain is built on Christian traditions. I think we are all


agreed that Britain is at its heart a Christian country. In its


constitution, Britain is a Christian country. The Queen is the head of


the established church. That is not what a lot of people say who do not


go to church. That is where the different shades of argument come


in. And now there is the argument about whether people of different


faiths are offended, the question is what the atheists should do.


Apparently, the atheists are being to gung ho in expressing their


views. Secularism is increasingly, as you point out, the order of the


day in the country at large. I am an atheist and I think it is a


statement of fact that Britain is a Christian country, not just because


of its traditions but because of its history. We have been arguing over


the Christian religion in this country for 2000 years. I live a


mile away from one of the oldest Saxon churches in England. It has


been there for more than 1000 years. It is through beautiful. The fact


is, this is a country where its literature and history and the


landscape is shaped around the quarrels of the Christian faith. But


do you as an atheist need to be more tolerant? I am very tolerant of the


Christian faith. I do not see what this argument is about. The quarrel


I have here is with this letter which says the Church of England as


an established church had fostered liberal values in Britain for


centuries will stop soon after Henry VIII founded the Church, Mary was


burning Protestants then Elizabeth was doing the same for Catholics. I


do not know much about our liberal values in that sense. We have


arrived at them now but that is not what we fostered. Thank you. You


will be back in an hour to look at the stories in tomorrow's additions.


There will be more on the fact that injuries and file and figures are


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