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Welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will bring us. I am

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joined by Bonnie Greer and the Deputy political editor of The

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Times, Sam Coates. And the Telegraph leads

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on what appears to be a reversal of medical advice for the taking of

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aspirin to prevent against strokes. The paper reports that

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a million people are being told not to take the medication if they have

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a particular heart condition. allows Britain's security service to

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spy on British people's Facebook The same story is on the front

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of the Daily Mirror, which reports that GCHQ argues that

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without 'mass surveilance' there wouldn't be 'adequate levels

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of intelligence'. are considered legally acceptable

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to monitor because the data it spied Cosmetic surgery on the front of the

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Daily Mail. According to the paper, Jeremy Hunt has said that the

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procedure should no longer be available on the NHS. We are going

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to start with the revelations on the front of the metro, revealing how

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GCHQ tracks your Internet use. What has happened is that the Home

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Office's head of security and anti`terrorist has submitted a 40

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page document to say what the UK does when it comes to monitoring

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your Twitter, Facebook and Google mail account. It is quite

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eye`catching stuff. They have said that they designate all of those

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companies, for example my Gmail account is designated a foreign

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entity which they feel gives them the right to go through it without a

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warrant at any time of their choosing. We know because of the

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disclosures from Edward Snowdon we have seen

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with a judge. The government says this is necessary in terms of

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terrorism. Why this is eye`catching is because a couple of years ago you

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may amend that we had a big debate about eight snooper 's bill, as it

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was called, that failed in the House of Commons `` a. There were many

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safeguards in it against them being able to go through people 's e`mail,

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such as the requirement to get a warrant if it was anything more than

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the basic data, what the e`mail was called and who it was between. They

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have admitted that they can go through anything without a warrant,

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which I find fairly surprising. Because of this loophole, many of

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the accounts are unregistered overseas, is that the idea? They are

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overseas. If you look at twitter, it will tell you the time in Silicon

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Valley that your Twitter message went out, that is their time. The

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government have found a loophole, and I'm sorry to be cynical, but

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GCHQ has been listening to us for years. So this has become a

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headline, because we are now aware of the communications, different

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sorts. Many people in the House of Commons don't understand social

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media, Facebook and Twitter. That's one of the big problems about why

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this has come up. This has been going on for years. The revelations

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from Edward Snowden left a lot of people underwhelmed. Is this going

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to have more traction because it is one of our people saying "we are

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sleeping from you and it is a loophole we can do with anybody"?

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There are age differences and different people take different

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attitudes. It is striking that in America they are having a robust

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debate about it. There is a written prostitution in America. We in

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Britain don't have a written constitution, there is a body of law

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that sits in the House of Commons. When the House of Commons makes a

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law, it is dealt with. We don't have that tradition. Americans would jump

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on this like crazy. It's an important story but we have to

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understand that in this country, this comes up. People won't

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understand what this is about because most people will say, they

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are listening to us anyway. I agree that it is horrible but how do you

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make people understand how terrible it is? You have to trust people that

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you can have a discussion about what is and isn't off`limits. The fear is

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that you are giving unfettered access to quite a large group of

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people. We don't trust the passport agency, how can we be sure that GCHQ

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is any better? I would like to know that the people who are watching and

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monitoring, the watchers, are doing this well. We are entitled to a

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debate, however sniffy politicians like to be about it. No truck with

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the argument that we had to have this surveillance, you see what's

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happening in Iraqi, many of these people are coming back here, we have

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two June in? `` we have to tune in. I'm not coming down on it

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definitively, why can't we have a debate and why are we not trusted on

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knowing what is going on? Of course I think it's a good idea but it is

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not a traditional idea, this is the problem. This is why there is going

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to be an issue. Most people will say, to use your argument... I am

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playing devils advocate! People are saying, how do we need to know what

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is going on. I bumped into a member of the intelligence and Security

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committee today, the watchdog who are meant to be watching over this

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and I said, do you think that the security services should have

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unfettered access without any checks to be able to go through anything

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and they looked at me and said "I cannot answer that question until we

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adopt a position." It worries me, the quality of the people we picked

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put to do this. I agree. The other people on the committee, I'm not

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sure they are the toughest we can have and that is it. In America they

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have a robust system. The Daily Mirror has the same story. " We are

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spying on your Facebook" your point is that the people who are meant to

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be overseeing this are much more security minded than civil liberties

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minded? In the House of Commons I can only think of three MPs who

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aggressively stand up to question this kind of stuff, Tom Watson, a

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Liberal Democrat, and David Davies for the Tory party. There are not a

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great body of people who want to argue about this and that is quite

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interesting. Someone who was not born here, I say that the fail`safe

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is the defence of the well`known that is where people go the end of

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the day. is the defence of the well`known

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that is where people go What Sam is asking for, and it is right, a

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change of culture, a cultural shift. A lot of what we're reading about is

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based on a piece of legislation, when these issues did not exist, the

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Internet was barely formed. A lot of case law has been built on that

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rather shaky foundation and there has not been any of the debate you

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would want to see. I don't understand the discrepancy but again

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we are told that terrorism trumps everything and we shouldn't ask any

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questions. It is the defence of the well`known that what has to be

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talked about and hopefully this will happen `` the defence of the realm.

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We found guilty of football match fixing conspiracy. I know that you

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are a big fan... This is a landmark case `` three found guilty. I don't

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pay attention to it! People are going to watch this because they are

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not watching the football. Here we have a story about football in

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trouble. What it is, the Telegraph is effectively patting itself on the

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back, some convictions of three people who appear to have been

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trying to do match fixing, trying to convince a low`level football player

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to throw some matches. It appears that the jury and the judge agreed,

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so well done to the Telegraph for exposing this. One detail that is

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missing, exactly how they planned to do it. I don't understand how you

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fix a football match, but football comes with a hefty smell which I'm

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sure people are trying to ignore, talking about this World Cup rather

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than the one in Qatar. Interesting that there are problems at every

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level. This is in some of the culture, this match fixing, so the

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Daily Telegraph has found this out. I question why they do this kind of

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thing. I think it is quite legitimate, corrupt football. OK,

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right. Aspirin cannot help 1 million heart patients, apparently. The

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received wisdom from the NHS was that the few aspirin can help some

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people but in some distances it has been a problem. We are in an era

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where health stories are going to be really big because the population is

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ageing and these stories are coming out. In some instances. It is

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apparently said that aspirin, but people with certain heart

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conditions, is now a bad thing. How are we supposed to read these sorts

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of things, if your doctor is telling you to do it? You don't get the

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information from your GP, you read about it and how are you supposed to

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deal with it? By close reading of the copy I don't think they are

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saying that aspirin is bad for you, they are saying that a new

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generation of drugs may be better. I think the broader point is quite

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clear, there has been endless and advice about the wonder drug and how

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it benefits all people over a certain age. I think there are mixed

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messages coming and let's be clear where the story is coming from, new

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guidelines from the National Institute for clinical excellence,

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the body to decide whether to hand out new drugs to the NHS. I think

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people have the right to feel a little bit confused. I think they

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are guilty of mixed messages. That was my point. The Daily Mail, Jeremy

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Hunt, the Health Secretary, banning cosmetic surgery on the NHS, that's

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the message he gave out. And the Daily Express, migrants playing for

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NHS. This coming out of a press conference given by Jeremy Hunt, so

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the papers have picked up the few leads. Jeremy Hunt appeared before

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the press gallery earlier today, there are the lobby lunches when

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they have a bite to eat and answer a few questions and give a speech. He

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spoke about how migrants are going to pay for the NHS and a possible

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ban on cosmetic surgery. We had a bit of an exchange in that question

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and answer session as well. In November, Jeremy Hunt gave an on the

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record interview to the times when he said

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record interview to the times when he that all GPs would have their

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salaries published. This closed, because some of them are pretty

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high. They few days later we see that the Department of Health have

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said that they might not do that `` disclosed. Today I asked him, were

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you telling the truth, although your officials, and he answered "both".

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And on the McCord interview with The Times, undermined by his answers

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today. `` on the record. If you read the story, Jeremy Hunt actually said

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it should no longer be available, so it isn't going to be a band, of

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course. For the Daily Mail it is their meat and drink. Also, drunks

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in accident and emergency don't deserve to be treated, it says. It

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is a bunch of speculation that has been turned into headlines. Maybe

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Michael Gove's wife is bidding for her husband to become the Health

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Secretary. He is leaving her? Oh, right! That is not happening! Thank

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you for joining us. At the top of the hour, the Sunni

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Muslim and concise is getting closer to Baghdad. Now it is time for the

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sports. I'm

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John Acres. Brazil draw a blank in game two, as Mexico keeper

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Ochoa keeps them at bay in a 0`0

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