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Saudi woman in Colchester say it is possible the killer carried out a

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similar knife attack in the town three months before.

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Welcome to look ahead to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow

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with me tonight the writer and political commentator Joe Phillips,

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and Nigel Nelson, political editor of the Sunday people. Tomorrow's

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front pages, let's start with the mail, with the headline school boy

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to jihadists, the mail on Sunday names one of the Britons it claims

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to have appeared in and Ricky militant Isis video. The Sunday

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Telegraph focuses on the case of two brothers ` Iraqi. You left the

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British suburb to fight in Syria. The Independent on Sunday quotes MI6

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which says 300 fighters from Syria already back in the UK. David

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Cameron under fire according to the Sunday Times for his apparent

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failure to stop Jean`Claude Juncker from becoming president of the

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European Commission. The observer tells asked Lord Kinnock has offered

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his support for the current Labour leader Ed Miliband. Finally 17

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million of us are in line to receive compensation from airlines, for

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delays and cancellations over the past six years. That is the claim in

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an exclusive report in the Sunday express. Let's kick off with the

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first of those. The Sunday Telegraph, the brilliant brothers

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who left British suburb for Jihad. These are the two boys who

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apparently appeared in the video that everyone has been talking about

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that you have been covering. Their father as "eloquently across the

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media today saying he is heartbroken. ` quite eloquently. It

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would appear they are part of a wider network. This is really

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worrying. We were talking about it, where do you get to the point where

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you find the balance between frightening people and, obviously

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there are all sorts of issues about not wanting to stir up any hatred.

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That it is a real problem. As we come onto the papers in a moment we

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will see there are more warnings coming from the former head of MI6

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about the numbers of people who have come to Britain having gone out to

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fight in Syria. In the wider area. It does seem to become a real

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problem. Interestingly Lord Carlile who was the government 's former

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anti`terrorism and Pfizer, who criticised the Home Office for

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scrapping special orders to deal with terror suspects. `

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anti`terrorism officer. It is the balance between civil liberties,

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tracking terrorism, catching people. And asking the question of

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why this happens. What is causing this? Is it disaffection or

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brainwashing? Radicalisation? I don't go for the brain washing line

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to much. Especially with these two lads. They are intelligent young

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man. They had a great career before them. They were a grade students.

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What makes them want to go out and and possibly, or probably get

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killed. The radicalisation going on here is something we have to look

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at. There are immediate things we could do. One thing that would help

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Yewtree, they went to Turkey to get to Syria. ` hugely. The Turks need

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to patrol their borders more carefully. When it comes down to why

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these people want to go, we have to start in schools. The only way of

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doing that, is for teachers to keep an eye out, for youngsters who are

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going in that direction. Becoming radicalised. Once they have gone,

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they will come back as trained killers. Then you get into the

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Michael Gove area, and the Trojan horse schools. I'm not sure teaching

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British values is quite the point. The issue there is to try to spot

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people on their way to being radicalised. And what is going on.

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You were talking a second ago about what the public can do. The idea is

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if people understand just how dangerous these people are,

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aware of. Who is around them what is going on, the only way to do that is

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for the security services to be able to tell us a bit more about the

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plots, 34 plants have been disrupted since seven slash seven, ` plots. A

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bit more about what would've happened if those plots had come to

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fruition. We have grown up watching things like spooks, you see films

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like this, really chilling recruitment videos. It is very

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fashioned barmaid and put together. But it looks like anything that

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could be a video game. ` very flash and well`made. If you have a younger

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brother watching something like that, you are not going to take much

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notice, that there is this element of, you almost need to, not horrify

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people, but say this is what happens. Does our generation, to

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older generations talk successfully to teenagers? Do you think? Or is

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there a generation problem? A lot of this is happening on social media.

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Through technology. And the people who are trying to govern it, are

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from a different generation. I'm the father of a teenager, and often

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talking to him can be very difficult. He is not going out to

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fight in Syria. This is a much more serious thing. People who are, lads

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like this, who will come back and be perfectly happy to kill us. That is

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a huge leap down the road. Talking their language, this comes down to

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what the Muslim community does. It works in the mosques, the scores.

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There are all sorts of ways of doing that. The first thing we have to do

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is understand where these guys are coming from. `` the schools. It is

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the same story on the front of the mail on Sunday, school boy to

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jihadists. They have a photograph of calm and school in 2010. `: Khan.

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His father has been speaking about it, it is absolutely, the father of

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the other bloke, he looks like any kid. Where was the trigger? What

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happened? Who did he meet? It is the awful thing, teenagers can become

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very idealistic. There is nothing new in that. It is when it turns

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into this sort of fanaticism and this terrible murderous fanaticism

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that it becomes something appalling. The Independent on Sunday front

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page, MI6 300 fighters from Syria now back in the UK. We are still in

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that same fascinating space of, an extremely important story for our

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society at the moment, but do we risk terrifying? People have to be,

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not so much terrifying people, but people have to be aware. 911

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happened, 77/7 happened, we know from recent history watched

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terrorists are capable of. It is not a question of terrifying them. If

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few years go by you stop thinking about it. It is that kind of thing,

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that kind of awareness, not being terrified me go back to normal

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business. They have one if you don't. What is important issue keep

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your eyes and ears open and watch out for what is going on. `` they

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have won. They are quoting a former terrorism chief at MI6. They are

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saying 300 of these people are already back here. If you think of

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these people are already back here. If you think about and to active

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number of people who posed a risk worth 600. `` the IRA at its

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height. They had already trained in warfare and explosives and weapons.

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Back here now. They pose a threat to us. We have with us to people `2

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people are well connected in the world of politics. Let's have a look

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at the Sunday Times. Don't mention... Prime Minister 's failure

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to curb the EU. This is one of those stories where it is incredibly

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important to Westminster village but actively engaged the nation to get

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excited about this? I can imagine you read here that in the breakfast

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tables of the country tomorrow, it is important of course but it is

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also incredibly dull and incredibly complicated. This is 54 of Britain's

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leading businessmen who have written a letter to the Sunday Times which

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is why they are leading with it on the front page, saying they're very

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concerned by the government 's failure to protect UK from European

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Union plans to tax the city and oppose new red tape. They are

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forcing David Cameron, I think this is quite interesting. Ed Miliband

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will come unto him in a minute, you is not having the best of weeks. We

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will come onto him. David Cameron is taking won this battle about Mr

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Juncker. You think why? David Cameron has got himself into a mess.

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He has called a referendum in 2017, and in slash out referendum. He has

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to come back with some kind of reforms in Europe. If Mr Juncker

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gets the job and he's pretty certain to get its now, getting those

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reforms will be much more difficult. David Cameron has now seen his other

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referendum, the one he decided to call in Scotland, is not going as

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easily as he thought. The same thing could happen here. We end up with no

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Scotland, and out of the EU. We would be isolated. He is joined to

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play as many last`ditch stand as he can. And he is beginning to look a

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bit desperate. He is going to try to call a vote of the European Council

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which is Europe's leaders, to see if they can block them. This is

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unprecedented, I'm not sure what status a vote would have. He will

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lose, nine of them have already come out in favour him. That makes you

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even more week. The word desperate this right but life would be much

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more difficult for him if Juncker does get the vote. You are both very

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interested as well, Kinnock defends Labour leader against "vindictive"

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agenda. A vindictive agenda, strong words. They are rather strong words.

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Lord Kinnock as he is now, should know better than anybody what it is

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like to have what he calls a hostile press. He had it in 1992. The point

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she is making is making his, Ed Miliband has now become a victim of

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a hostile press. `` he is making. The target of a hostile press. Not

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quite a victim. I think he is a victim. You cannot blame the press

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entirely for his poll ratings which are dire. Afflicted by a certain

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extent by the media but they are not making him do stupid things like

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having his photograph taken in the sun. That is ridiculous. When you

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get into a hall and people see you, looking weak, `` a hole, unfortunate

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photographs like that bacon sandwich video, everyone sneers and jokes,

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everyone look stupid. It piles it on, press come, they can smell

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blood. How much will Ed Miliband welcome Lord Kinnock 's backing?

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They are friends and Neil Kinnock that for the leadership anyway.

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Whether or not an intervention like this is actually helpful, I don't

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think blaming the press, blaming the messenger. You'll Kinnock had a

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rough time at the messenger. You'll Kinnock had a rough time and costs.

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Doesn't like us very much. `` Neil Kinnock. We can understand that. ``

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at the hands of the press. We are still focusing on Ed Miliband 's

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problems, which he won't welcome. The idea he is weird, he's not

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weird, he can be Prime Minister. Pupils at the moment show he is

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likely to be by Minister, `` the likely to be by Minister, `` the

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polls. He needs to do a bit about his personal ratings. Thank you for

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joining us. More on that later. We should mention major refit photo on

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the front of the Observer of Andy Murray meeting Rufus the Hawk. We

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will explain more as it comes. That is it for the papers for this hour.

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You will both be back at 11:30pm for another whizz through the stories

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making the news tomorrow. Stay with us, at 11pm we will bring you the

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latest as new details emerge about British man filmed in an apparent to

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had it video posted online. `` jihadist.

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