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much more coverage on the Malaysian Airlines crash throughout the


evening on BBC News. Hello and welcome to our look


ahead to what the the papers With me here in London is Oliver


Wright, the Whitehall Editor of The Independent and in our Glasgow


studio, Kevin McKenna, Scottish The FT leads on the passenger plane


crash in Ukraine, saying pro`Russian A rescuer is pictured amid the


wreckage on the front of the Metro. The Telegraph says wreckage was


strewn over an area nine miles wide. The Express says the incident has


sparked outrage around the world. "Murder in the Sky" is the headline


on the Guardian. The Star describes what happened


as "slaughter at 32,000 feet". And a stark message on the front


of the Mail: there'll be hell to pay


if it emerges Russia is involved. The front`pages are dominated by the


Malaysian Airlines crash tonight, as you would expect. We will talk about


coverage of what is happening in Gaza with the beginning of that


ground offensive we have been talking about. Let's look at how the


Metro is covering the crash of Flight MH17. Blasted out of the


skies ` and there is a man amongst the wreckage of this plane, 295


people die as missile hits jet. Kevin, we heard in the press


conference earlier in Kuala Lumpur that the Malaysian Prime Minister


said this is a tragic day in what has already been a tragic year,


referring to the loss of Flight MH370, the flight that went down off


Australia? Yes, of course. I think also it is a very tragic day for the


people of Holland as well, given the numbers of casualties that were


released by the UN. You mentioned the Metro. The Metro attempts a very


good front`page, something approaching a poster front with a


dramatic picture of a local person, it looks like, amidst the debris.


Ironically, the Telegraph, which doesn't have as dramatic a front,


has a more dramatic picture and I wondered if that was probably would


have been a better picture for the Metro. Let's have a look at the


Telegraph. It is an unusual front`page, isn't it? It is not


their usual layout, certainly, with that huge photograph at the top.


Airliner blown out of the sky, that is the headline. Pro`Russian


separatists blamed for killing 295 people on Malaysian jet. It is a


plane that appears to be in the right place, it looks like wreckage


and local people say they have seen bodies? These are quite restrained


images. Some of the stuff which has been on social media, that's been on


some of the Russian websites today, is completely unbroadcastable and


unprintable. And it is very distressing. To be honest, these


images are distressing enough. It is one of those occasions when people


want words to tell them what the facts are, but the enormity of it is


conveyed through the pictures. The suggestion that it might have been


shot down, Kevin, by mistake. We have seen a military aircraft has


been shot down by rebels in the eastern Ukraine and that's the


suggestion that they might have mistaken this commercial airliner,


but saying we don't have the capability for this, so the


investigation continues into who was responsible? Well, I think we can be


in very little doubt that these rebels do have that type of kit that


can bring down large airliners at high altitude. I think also that the


` it is natural that you would want to look at the Ukrainian, the


Russian rebels in Ukraine, they have form in this, they have already


brought down a couple of military jets and the initial narrative


appears to be they have mistaken this for a military jet, which, of


course, puts a lot of pressure on Putin, it puts a lot of pressure on


Obama as well because initial reports in America say there were 23


Americans and Obama is already under criticism in his own country for


perceived inaction in the latest crisis in Gaza. The suggestion,


Oliver, that this could be a game changer in what is happening in


eastern Ukraine, if it only brings greater international diplomatic


pressure to bear. As Kevin says, there were so many nationalities on


board, it brings in so many other countries? That's one key point.


There was also some interesting reports about a week or two ago


suggesting that some of the separatists had managed to capture


something called a Buk missile system, which was an old


Soviet`based missile system. That would have the capability of taking


down an airliner flying at 32,000 feet. I think if it is proved that


it is separatists who have carried out this attack, President Putin is


going to have to very quickly disassociate himself and Russia from


anything that is going on in Ukraine. As you say, so many


different nationalities, I suspect there will be quite a lot of


American casualties. We have got the nationalities, around 233 of those


people on board, so you are looking at another 60 people, quite a lot of


those are likely to be American. You have already seen these comments


from Joe Biden which is the headline on the Mail ` there will be hell to


pay. A different choice of photograph as well on the Daily


Express, looking at emergency workers examining smouldering


wreckage of the jet. While we are talking here about the who did what


and when and with what capability ` there are families in many parts of


the world waiting anxiously again for news of relatives and friends `


and for anyone connected to the Malaysian Airlines will be thinking


how could this possibly have happened again ` twice in a year?


Yes, the other complicated factor is that knowing that what's been


happening with regard to military jets being brought down by these


rebels, there's some surprise already being expressed as to why


any passenger airliner would be flying passengers anywhere near this


corridor. I understand that this corridor is supposed to be


international airspace. On the other hand, there have to be doubts


expressed as to why, or some questions, as to why it was thought


necessary to fly a civilian jet in this hotspot, this critical area of


Eastern Europe. Indeed. Many airlines have chosen to divert their


flights. I think that is a very good point, too little too late, planes


now diverting, especially when there does appear to be evidence that some


separatists did have control of weapons that could take down planes


and you had a track record of planes being taken down. It is surprising,


I think, that airlines were flying over that particular disputed


region. The other story that does feature on page 2 of the Express,


the ground offensive by Israel in the Gaza Strip. We do expect that


this will probably feature in later editions. Israel PM orders troops


into Gaza. This would be, Kevin, a ground offensive of artillery and


naval shelling of limited scope. Very much targeting tunnels, but of


course civilians too close by to be safe? Yes, this is something that


Israel will always be vulnerable to in terms of criticism because of the


large amount of civilians. I think this particular story says that


there are now 238 Palestinians who have lost their life since this


particular battle commenced and only one Israeli. Again, a cynic would


say that this happens periodically with Israel, they want to go in,


they want to clear out Hamas, Hamas have new leaders every few years.


There is no doubt, also, that Israel were spooked by the new unity


government of last year which brought Hamas and Fatah together for


the first time. And, again, there can be no winners here whatsoever.


The criticism from Egypt, which tried this week ` or today ` to


broker this ceasefire, there was a cessation of violence for five


hours. Yes. The criticism very much levelled at Hamas for pulling the


plug on any prospect of a ceasefire? Yes, there's one theory which is


doing the rounds, which is part of the rationale for Israel going in


now is that because the regime in Egypt has changed, the Muslim


Brotherhood are no longer in power, since that happened the Egyptians


have closed down or made it much more difficult for the supply of


weapons to come in through Egypt. At the same time, because of the Hamas'


close relationship with the Brotherhood, they are not getting a


supply of weapons from Syria and indeed Iran. So, part of the logic


to what Israel may be doing now is to get rid of the weapons on the


basis Hamas won't be able to re`supply them. This operation has


been planned for some time, I suspect. I do wonder at the timing


of tonight. While the world is looking in another direction, I am


not saying it wouldn't have happened anyway ` I'm sure it would. It is an


interesting timing. Israel could wipe out Hamas, if they so choose.


Then you create a vacuum in Gaza and who knows what will grow up in its


place? Well, that is a very interesting point. It was put to me


a few hours ago by a foreign affairs expert up here, in Scotland, that to


a certain extent Israel needs Hamas and Hamas needs Israel. And horrific


though the deaths of the three young Israelis were, if it hadn't been


that, it would have been something else that would Israel would have


found necessary to go into Gaza. While Hamas are in charge, there is


a split within Palestinian politics. You have the President who is from


the Fatah side of things, who isn't in control... He is in the West


Bank. There have been attempts to merge the political sides of Hamas


and Fatah, which has gone down fairly badly in Israel. The


interesting question is how long this goes on for and how extensive


it is. There is some suggestion in the last hour or so that Israel are


planning for a longer campaign. I don't know if that will prove to be


accurate. Clearly, if you are on the ground, it is a deeply distressing


situation and a lot of civilians are caught up in this. That is all for


the moment. Oliver and Kevin, thank you very much. We will all be back


again at 11.30pm for another look at the main stories.


Let's stay with the Gaza conflict. Hamas said that Israel will pay a


high price for this latest ground offensive. Lieutenant Colonel Peter


Lerner has confirmed ground forces have been mobilised


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