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place in Gaza tonight as Israel launched a major ground offensive
against Palestinian militants. It follows nine days of air strikes by
Israel, which they insist are necessary to halt rocket attacks by
Hamas militants. More than 200 Palestinians and one Israeli have
died since this latest conflict began.
Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing
us tomorrow. With me here in London is Oliver Wright, the Whitehall
Editor of The Independent and in our Glasgow studio, Kevin McKenna,
Scottish Columnist for The Observer. Tomorrow's front pages are dominated
by the plane crash in Ukraine. The Independent shows burnt out
fuselage on the ground and describes bodies scattered over fields.
A rescuer is pictured amid the wreckage on the front of the Metro.
The Telegraph says that wreckage was strewn over an area nine miles wide.
A pro`Russian militant is shown standing over the scene in The
Times. It reports 154 Dutch people and six Britons are among the dead.
"Murder in the Sky" is the headline on the Guardian.
The Mirror describes "Slaughter at 33,000 Feet".
There's a stark message on the front of the Mail: there'll be hell to pay
if it emerges Russia is involved. And finally 'Putin's missile' is
behind the disaster according to the Sun, blaming pro`Russian
separatists. There are many different strands to the stories.
Let's look at the Independent. Pro` Russian rebels are suspected of the
attack. There are a lot of pictures to choose from. It gives you a sense
of how or promote this part of Ukraine was, which will make
it tricky to investigate. I think the Independent can be proud of its
story. It is a very dramatic picture. There is a separatist
investigating the wreckage. I am being told that the Malaysians
will take quite a long time to get to the crash site. There are reports
that Ukrainian government forces are finding it difficult to get to the
crash site because it is being groomed over by the separatists. ``
combed. There is an inference that if they locate the black box, it
will go straight to Moscow. Then the narrative will start to be dictated
by the Russians and President Putin. There are a lot of
nationalities involved. We have the story about slaughter at 33,000 feet
in The Mirror. We have most of the people on board are from the
Netherlands. It is an international tragedy. The front page is grimly
compelling. The wreckage is still smouldering. There are a lot of
images on the Internet that are far worse. You need to pick one that can
convey the gravity of the situation, without showing all the awfulness.
It is a difficult place to investigate. There were reports from
the United States with Joe Biden saying that American satellites,
which have been monitoring that part of the world carefully before this
happened, had picked up evidence of a surface to air missiles. It
probably won't take them long to identify where that came from.
Whether they can get people on the ground to find out where that
missile launcher is now will be difficult. Let's look at the Sun.
They talk about whether the separatists had the weaponry to
bring an ally no down at 30,000 feet. `` an airliner down. No one is
admitting the blame at the moment. There are claims and counterclaims.
The Sun is doing what it does best. There is no equivocation. They are
making a lot of the fact of the altitude of the plane was such that
only a serious piece of military hardware could have brought it down.
They then pointed straight out Putin. That is just like them. They
don't sit on the fence. The Daily Mail is looking at the darker
consequences. They say that this has very serious implications for the
geopolitical situation. Ukraine 's President Petro Poroshenko quoted on
Reuters that this was a terrorist attack that is a challenge to the
whole world. There were so many people on board, it took off from
the Netherlands, it inevitably draws in other countries. Of course it
does. This is a very serious problem for Putin. It implicates Russian
involvement will stop I think it is too early to say it came from
Russian troops. It could have been a missile that was once controlled by
the Ukraine that was then seized by the rebels. It is a very complicated
situation. A simplistic headline might sell newspapers, but it
doesn't always get to the truth. Putin has supported the pro` Russian
Ukrainian rebels. It is a very popular course in Russia. `` cause.
This is not just about Ukraine now. There are a whole number of
nationalities. This is a game changer. That has been said a lot.
What will happen? Will there be sanctions? There was evidence over
the last few weeks that from the outset of this crisis, Putin had
begun to move back and visa restrictions and trade sanctions
were beginning to bite and serious negotiations were beginning to
occur. Putin must've been taken greatly by surprise by this. He will
have immediately gathered his senior ministers. He will not need to be
told the implications of this. He will have a short time to come up
with a narrative to distance himself. Very few people will
believe it. It also poses a dilemma for America. The President is
halfway through a second term. He could conceivably say this as
someone else 's problem. `` is. In two years, he won't be seeking
offers. `` office. But then he could also take action because he won't be
around for the consequences. President Obama has had a
conversation with Secretary of State John Kerry and his security team
about what is happening. We imagine there are Americans on board. It is
curious that we had a press conference area and most of the
nationalities were announced. By far the largest number of nationalities
was from the Netherlands. There are about 60 unaccounted for
nationalities on the plane. I wonder if quite a few were Americans and
the summer reason, the Americans have asked details to be revealed so
that the the authorities can get a clear idea of what happened. If
there were a large number of Americans, that would put a lot of
pressure on the White House. They would want to know what is happening
before they are put under domestic pressure. John McCain said there
would be hell to pay. That is very much shooting from the hip. It makes
you grateful that he didn't win in 2008. While we are hearing about the
nationalities, 295 people died. For Malaysia, this is the second time
one of their planes has gone down. There was criticism of the way that
relatives were not kept informed when MH 370 went down. The
government will want to do everything they can to keep families
in the loop. In the passing of time since the downing of the first
Malaysian airline, the government, you could have sympathy for them.
Since then, nothing of any detail has emerged about the reasons it has
come down. One of the more horrific things I have been told earlier was
that the first witnesses on the scene in the Ukraine were beginning
to take pictures on their iPhones and posting the pitches to Twitter.
`` pictures. Some of the images were of passports that were fully intact.
You must think that some of the relatives would have been the images
inadvertently. That takes the implications of horror even further.
It is they 21st`century way of finding out news. Let's move away
from the horror. We will go to the Times. It is about the Israel
offensive against Gaza. 18,000 reserve soldiers have been called up
overnight to try to get Hamas to stop firing rockets into Israel. If
it wasn't for the flight, this story would be all over the front pages.
It has been pushed inside. The editors will have had their work cut
out for them. These are both important stories. I think this will
carry on for several days. We don't know what Israel has planned. The
operation may be more extensive than we thought and could go on for
several days. You think it may have been planned for a while, but I do
wonder about the exact timing. I wonder whether it was a cool
incidents that while the eyes of the world are facing on the Ukraine,
Israel are doing what they were going to do anyway. The timing may
be something other than call incidental. There is a sense that it
is an escalation when it moves from artillery fire and missiles being
sent in overhead to something at ground level. Attention ground
troops going in. `` potentially. The figure of 18,000 going in is
important because it is 10% of the population of Gaza. This latest
escalation centres on the fact, Israel said, that Hamas have been
extremely angry and desperate about border restrictions imposed by
Egypt. This has led to even further economic difficulties and hardship
for the citizens of Gaza. Hamas itself has been unable to pay any of
its employees recently. They also have a stark and poignant image of
three of the children who were killed on a beach yesterday. Three
of them were running away before they were killed by the Israeli 's.
The explanation was that they killed the first child in a mistake. They
were aiming for rape military police nearby. The children they thought
were running away they thought were Hamas militants. We must stop
talking about it here and move on to the Herald.
A matter of weeks until the Scottish referendum for independence. The yes
campaign is getting some traction. Yes, they are leading on a pole
which says that 28% of Labour voters now intend to vote yes on September
the 18th and that is up in one month by 7%. The deputy leader of the SNP
and the deputy first minister was actively wooing Labour voters when
she challenged them to reclaim the party and this is obviously having
some kind of affect. As part of a story that I was researching, I was
out with some volunteers who were going to vote yes in a very working
class area and the message coming from the doorsteps in this very big
area for Labour was almost blanket support in favour. If this poll is
to be believed, Gordon Brown has been epicenter of the pro` union
campaign and this will be uncomfortable reading for him `` at
the centre. This referendum will be won by those who don't know what
they want yet. It has got into such that it is easier for people to say
that they support the yes campaign and it is for them to say that they
support the no campaign and they say that when they go and talk to
people, people who say they don't know are actually not in favour of
independence and don't feel that they can say it. Clearly, we are
only a couple of months now and this will cause quite a lot of
consternation. They could surprise us all on the day when they enter
the ballot box and leave their mark. They could be confused. The
other thing that conflict takes this `` complicates this is estimating
privately anything between 80 or 90% of voters are undecided and if that
transpires, it will break all records on European democracy for
the percentage of turnout. I take the point that has been made about
people finding it easier to say yes but on the other hand, the pattern
of newspaper coverage in Scotland on the referendum campaign, probably
nine out of ten newspapers in Scotland have by varying degrees
supported the no campaign and this poll, as well as talking about the
heavy support amongst Weber Mac supporters for yes `` Labour, have
put it at 45% which is the highest it has been. Nine weeks before
September the 18th, that puts the yes campaign in a position that can
be a springboard for victory. That is where we must leave it for
tonight. Thank you to my guests. We are going to retain to the