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place in Gaza tonight as Israel launched a major ground offensive

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against Palestinian militants. It follows nine days of air strikes by

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Israel, which they insist are necessary to halt rocket attacks by

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Hamas militants. More than 200 Palestinians and one Israeli have

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died since this latest conflict began.

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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing

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us tomorrow. With me here in London is Oliver Wright, the Whitehall

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Editor of The Independent and in our Glasgow studio, Kevin McKenna,

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Scottish Columnist for The Observer. Tomorrow's front pages are dominated

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by the plane crash in Ukraine. The Independent shows burnt out

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fuselage on the ground and describes bodies scattered over fields.

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A rescuer is pictured amid the wreckage on the front of the Metro.

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The Telegraph says that wreckage was strewn over an area nine miles wide.

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A pro`Russian militant is shown standing over the scene in The

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Times. It reports 154 Dutch people and six Britons are among the dead.

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"Murder in the Sky" is the headline on the Guardian.

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The Mirror describes "Slaughter at 33,000 Feet".

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There's a stark message on the front of the Mail: there'll be hell to pay

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if it emerges Russia is involved. And finally 'Putin's missile' is

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behind the disaster according to the Sun, blaming pro`Russian

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separatists. There are many different strands to the stories.

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Let's look at the Independent. Pro` Russian rebels are suspected of the

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attack. There are a lot of pictures to choose from. It gives you a sense

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of how or promote this part of Ukraine was, which will make

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it tricky to investigate. I think the Independent can be proud of its

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story. It is a very dramatic picture. There is a separatist

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investigating the wreckage. I am being told that the Malaysians

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will take quite a long time to get to the crash site. There are reports

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that Ukrainian government forces are finding it difficult to get to the

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crash site because it is being groomed over by the separatists. ``

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combed. There is an inference that if they locate the black box, it

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will go straight to Moscow. Then the narrative will start to be dictated

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by the Russians and President Putin. There are a lot of

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nationalities involved. We have the story about slaughter at 33,000 feet

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in The Mirror. We have most of the people on board are from the

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Netherlands. It is an international tragedy. The front page is grimly

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compelling. The wreckage is still smouldering. There are a lot of

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images on the Internet that are far worse. You need to pick one that can

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convey the gravity of the situation, without showing all the awfulness.

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It is a difficult place to investigate. There were reports from

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the United States with Joe Biden saying that American satellites,

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which have been monitoring that part of the world carefully before this

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happened, had picked up evidence of a surface to air missiles. It

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probably won't take them long to identify where that came from.

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Whether they can get people on the ground to find out where that

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missile launcher is now will be difficult. Let's look at the Sun.

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They talk about whether the separatists had the weaponry to

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bring an ally no down at 30,000 feet. `` an airliner down. No one is

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admitting the blame at the moment. There are claims and counterclaims.

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The Sun is doing what it does best. There is no equivocation. They are

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making a lot of the fact of the altitude of the plane was such that

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only a serious piece of military hardware could have brought it down.

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They then pointed straight out Putin. That is just like them. They

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don't sit on the fence. The Daily Mail is looking at the darker

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consequences. They say that this has very serious implications for the

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geopolitical situation. Ukraine 's President Petro Poroshenko quoted on

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Reuters that this was a terrorist attack that is a challenge to the

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whole world. There were so many people on board, it took off from

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the Netherlands, it inevitably draws in other countries. Of course it

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does. This is a very serious problem for Putin. It implicates Russian

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involvement will stop I think it is too early to say it came from

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Russian troops. It could have been a missile that was once controlled by

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the Ukraine that was then seized by the rebels. It is a very complicated

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situation. A simplistic headline might sell newspapers, but it

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doesn't always get to the truth. Putin has supported the pro` Russian

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Ukrainian rebels. It is a very popular course in Russia. `` cause.

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This is not just about Ukraine now. There are a whole number of

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nationalities. This is a game changer. That has been said a lot.

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What will happen? Will there be sanctions? There was evidence over

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the last few weeks that from the outset of this crisis, Putin had

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begun to move back and visa restrictions and trade sanctions

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were beginning to bite and serious negotiations were beginning to

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occur. Putin must've been taken greatly by surprise by this. He will

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have immediately gathered his senior ministers. He will not need to be

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told the implications of this. He will have a short time to come up

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with a narrative to distance himself. Very few people will

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believe it. It also poses a dilemma for America. The President is

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halfway through a second term. He could conceivably say this as

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someone else 's problem. `` is. In two years, he won't be seeking

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offers. `` office. But then he could also take action because he won't be

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around for the consequences. President Obama has had a

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conversation with Secretary of State John Kerry and his security team

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about what is happening. We imagine there are Americans on board. It is

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curious that we had a press conference area and most of the

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nationalities were announced. By far the largest number of nationalities

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was from the Netherlands. There are about 60 unaccounted for

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nationalities on the plane. I wonder if quite a few were Americans and

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the summer reason, the Americans have asked details to be revealed so

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that the the authorities can get a clear idea of what happened. If

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there were a large number of Americans, that would put a lot of

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pressure on the White House. They would want to know what is happening

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before they are put under domestic pressure. John McCain said there

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would be hell to pay. That is very much shooting from the hip. It makes

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you grateful that he didn't win in 2008. While we are hearing about the

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nationalities, 295 people died. For Malaysia, this is the second time

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one of their planes has gone down. There was criticism of the way that

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relatives were not kept informed when MH 370 went down. The

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government will want to do everything they can to keep families

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in the loop. In the passing of time since the downing of the first

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Malaysian airline, the government, you could have sympathy for them.

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Since then, nothing of any detail has emerged about the reasons it has

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come down. One of the more horrific things I have been told earlier was

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that the first witnesses on the scene in the Ukraine were beginning

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to take pictures on their iPhones and posting the pitches to Twitter.

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`` pictures. Some of the images were of passports that were fully intact.

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You must think that some of the relatives would have been the images

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inadvertently. That takes the implications of horror even further.

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It is they 21st`century way of finding out news. Let's move away

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from the horror. We will go to the Times. It is about the Israel

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offensive against Gaza. 18,000 reserve soldiers have been called up

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overnight to try to get Hamas to stop firing rockets into Israel. If

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it wasn't for the flight, this story would be all over the front pages.

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It has been pushed inside. The editors will have had their work cut

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out for them. These are both important stories. I think this will

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carry on for several days. We don't know what Israel has planned. The

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operation may be more extensive than we thought and could go on for

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several days. You think it may have been planned for a while, but I do

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wonder about the exact timing. I wonder whether it was a cool

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incidents that while the eyes of the world are facing on the Ukraine,

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Israel are doing what they were going to do anyway. The timing may

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be something other than call incidental. There is a sense that it

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is an escalation when it moves from artillery fire and missiles being

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sent in overhead to something at ground level. Attention ground

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troops going in. `` potentially. The figure of 18,000 going in is

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important because it is 10% of the population of Gaza. This latest

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escalation centres on the fact, Israel said, that Hamas have been

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extremely angry and desperate about border restrictions imposed by

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Egypt. This has led to even further economic difficulties and hardship

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for the citizens of Gaza. Hamas itself has been unable to pay any of

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its employees recently. They also have a stark and poignant image of

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three of the children who were killed on a beach yesterday. Three

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of them were running away before they were killed by the Israeli 's.

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The explanation was that they killed the first child in a mistake. They

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were aiming for rape military police nearby. The children they thought

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were running away they thought were Hamas militants. We must stop

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talking about it here and move on to the Herald.

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A matter of weeks until the Scottish referendum for independence. The yes

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campaign is getting some traction. Yes, they are leading on a pole

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which says that 28% of Labour voters now intend to vote yes on September

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the 18th and that is up in one month by 7%. The deputy leader of the SNP

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and the deputy first minister was actively wooing Labour voters when

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she challenged them to reclaim the party and this is obviously having

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some kind of affect. As part of a story that I was researching, I was

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out with some volunteers who were going to vote yes in a very working

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class area and the message coming from the doorsteps in this very big

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area for Labour was almost blanket support in favour. If this poll is

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to be believed, Gordon Brown has been epicenter of the pro` union

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campaign and this will be uncomfortable reading for him `` at

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the centre. This referendum will be won by those who don't know what

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they want yet. It has got into such that it is easier for people to say

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that they support the yes campaign and it is for them to say that they

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support the no campaign and they say that when they go and talk to

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people, people who say they don't know are actually not in favour of

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independence and don't feel that they can say it. Clearly, we are

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only a couple of months now and this will cause quite a lot of

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consternation. They could surprise us all on the day when they enter

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the ballot box and leave their mark. They could be confused. The

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other thing that conflict takes this `` complicates this is estimating

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privately anything between 80 or 90% of voters are undecided and if that

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transpires, it will break all records on European democracy for

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the percentage of turnout. I take the point that has been made about

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people finding it easier to say yes but on the other hand, the pattern

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of newspaper coverage in Scotland on the referendum campaign, probably

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nine out of ten newspapers in Scotland have by varying degrees

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supported the no campaign and this poll, as well as talking about the

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heavy support amongst Weber Mac supporters for yes `` Labour, have

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put it at 45% which is the highest it has been. Nine weeks before

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September the 18th, that puts the yes campaign in a position that can

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be a springboard for victory. That is where we must leave it for

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tonight. Thank you to my guests. We are going to retain to the

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