26/07/2014 The Papers


26/07/2014

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Hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers

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With me are the columnist for The Independent,

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Yasmin Alibhai`Brown and James Millar from the Sunday Post.

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Good evening both. The front pages. The striking image on the Observer.

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A Palestinian woman in the rubble of Gaza pleading for help from the

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outside world. The Mail on Sunday claims the new Defence Secretary,

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Michael Fallon is at the centre of a row after allegedly calling a female

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writer in a bar "a sluut." The paper says he later apologised. The Sunday

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Telegraph, reports that families of the victims of flight MH17 may sue

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President Putin for his alleged links to the pro`Russian rebels in

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Ukraine who are said to have shot down the passenger plane. The lead

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in the Sunday Times is the call by the Deputy Prime Minister to strip

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Russia of the 2018 World Cup following the shooting down of the

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yet. And instant test for cancer is the headline in the Sunday Express.

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. Mitt Now the Observer. We have seen people coming out of hide,

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James, going back to what they Shaw thought would be their homes to find

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that everything has gone? Yeah. The important word is there "a pause",

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unfortunately, as you said, the ceasefire seems to have broken down.

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We're heading back to square one again. It's a nice enough piece. It

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covers all the bases. I get the slight feeling there are no words to

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really convey the horror of what he is seeing. He says that, "it's a

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moon scape from which the smell of death at times wafted" terrible for

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all concerned out there. Trying to retrieve the dead will be

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impossible. Hamas have GUNFIRing rockets. They don't believe an

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extension of the truce is in their interests? I think now, you know,

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there is just no way, I personally, and most other people in this

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country, would talk about Hamas in the same breath as what Israel has

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been inflicting because it's so disproportionate. Actually, that's

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what this eyewitness is also saying. You know, he actually says, "we have

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to decide whether this was proportionate or if the destruction

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amounts to a war crime." I think, you know, this is the month of

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Ramadan. It's Eid on Monday. This awaits the people of Gaza. I don't

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know when it's going to end. I think we can't let this go on, talk in

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equal terms. In terms of what Hamas is doing. I have no ` I'm not allied

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to the Hamas rockets or anything, but it is so disproportionate now we

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have to talk about what this Israeli government. It's not all Israeli

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governments, but certainly this Israeli government is pushing things

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to a point where, it's appalling. We understand the Israeli public are in

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favour of what the government is doing, to try to protect them from

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the rockets that land in their territory, fired from Gaza. We were

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speaking last night to a journalist who says the Israeli public aren't

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being shown the papers we are seeing? Yeah. I think part of it is

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the horror of it, you feel so helpless. This has been going on for

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so long. We are seeing awful pictures. Reading the words. Nothing

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anybody here does or says or indeed seems politicians from around the

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world do or say, is changing anything, for either side. I mean,

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you know, it's a moral maze, isn't it? Hamas have started firing

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rockets back into Israel. They know the result of that is going to be.

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It will be Israel piling in again. I'm sorry, after what we've seen,

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children, places where children were taking refuge. Imagine if you were

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there and I was there, and you were witnessing this, tell me, our rage

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would not be absolute. You know, I'm trying to put myself into that

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position where children. There are no Israeli children, thank God, who

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have been killed in the latest. There have not been Israeli women.

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Thank God, who have been killed. We have seen far too much devastation

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in the civilian communities. Here, I don't know whether this is an

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accurate figure or not, in one of the papers it is was reported that

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only 15% of Britons now, a YouGov poll showed, approve of what Israel

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is doing. It's not right. You are still dealing with an organisation

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that is regarded as a group of terrorists, Hamas, who don't even

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believe that Israel has a right to exist? OK. I accept that Hamas has

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not been ` actually Hamas is not good for the Palestinian people.

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Even so, you know, we had the IRA. We had the IRA for years and years

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and years. We did not do what the Israeli government is doing. We

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didn't, did we? We didn't send bombs into civilian areas in Northern

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Ireland. We didn't resolve the conflict quickly, did we? We did not

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attack civilians? What happened was essentially, eventually, something

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had to change. That's what happens ` that is the thing here. Everybody `

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it's not almost that everyone is as bad as each other. There issen issue

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of proportion al. Somebody on either side needs to stand up and say `

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this is not the way to go. It's been going on `` Pursue peace. . Gaza has

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been squeezed, humiliated. Its resources... You can't treat a

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people like this. I'm so shocked that people with this history learnt

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the wrong lessons from their own history. I admire Israelis standing

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up. There are a lot of very good Israeli people, wonderful writers,

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who have spoken out and written about this for years. But at the

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moment they are powerless. They are powerless in Israel to do anything.

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I will move you on to another story on the Observer. That could take up

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the whole review, couldn't it, that story. So much to say, or not say.

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NHS managers paid ?1.6 billion in layoff deals since 2010. The cost of

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the redundancy payments to NHS managers who then, it seems, Yasmin,

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few weeks later, few months later, come back either full`time or

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part`time contracts? We are in the wrong job, aren't we? This is what

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we should have got into, become managers. I mean, the figure is

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startling. ?1.6 billion! Yeah. It's a lot of money, isn't it? A lot of

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managers. A lot of managers. If they are getting rid of them and rehiring

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doesn't it mean they need them in the first place. That it was the

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wrong reform? If you paid them money, they go away, the service is

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better and leaner and cheaper, great. Clearly, they need to go.

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They are coming back, yet it would appear there are certain indicators

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that the service is not getting better. There are issues about A

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waiting list times, for example, and stuff like that. So the sort of

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conclusion perhaps is that a lot of money is being spent to no real end.

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Now some of the Trusts are in real crisis, aren't they? A number of

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Trusts which are almost bankrupt. This figure, when you consider that

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particular situation really makes no sense at all. Yeah a lot of nurses

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wages or A units or maternity units, whatever. The Sunday

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Telegraph, British lawyers say the Russian President could face a class

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action for his links to separatists who are thought to have shot down

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this plane. We are still in the investigation stages. Bodies haven't

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been recovered, you might understand the feeling you want to take legal

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action. How realistic could this be Not very. A lot of people on Sunday

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Telegraph have gone on holiday. They would like to get a splash about the

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airliner. The strongest line they can come up with is the potential

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for a lawsuit. They are not really going to sue Putin. The intention

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sends a message, doesn't it? No, lawyers are having a field day. We

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had a similar thing tried with Lockerbie all those years ago, it

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came to nothing. This one makes less sense. The courts in America,

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British lawyers and American lawyers, how will they get the

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leader of Russia to even attend? It'ses... Not fair to the families

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actually to give them this kind of false hope. That is it. Yeah. The if

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we look at the picture on the Sunday Telegraph, "worth the wait"

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congratulations to Zoe Smith. The moment she realises she has won

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Commonwealth Gold in Glasgow, beating her Welsh rival. Not only

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can she left heavyweights she can do backward somer sets, she used to be

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a gymnast. Brilliantly caught. Mail on Sunday. This is a woman who is a

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columnist, has a book to sell, referring in the Mail to something

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that Michael Fallon, the new Defence Secretary said to her some years

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ago, James. Not a current story, is it? Well, it's a current story. He

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has been promoted. That's the kind of new thing, I suppose. Also, as

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you mentioned, she has a book out to publicise. A Cabinet Minister

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calling a woman "a slut" is a bad thing. No doubt about that. The

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question is, he didn't, by anybody's account, just say, "you're a slut"

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or anything like that. He was referring to her column in which she

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would, apparently, tell of her one night stands,, drug taking and

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long`running affair with a married man. Her friends called her that. I

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can't believe I am' saying this on TV. Funniest PR ideals. Make a fuss,

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for a newly appointed Secretary of State. Who doesn't like Michael

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Fallon. I think she's been very clever. I don't think it's that

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serious. One of the best`selling papers in this country has bitten.

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Again, it's holiday time. But, what is so striking though, I think, is

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the content of this book. Which is, in my view, fairly risquee. Not

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something you would be writing. I should be so lucky. The Sunday Post.

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This is talking about the twin sister of Mikaeel who was killed by

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his mum in January. He has now been convicted. We were reporting that

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yesterday. A battle over who should have custody of his twin sister,

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James? An absolutely horrific story in the first place and it gets worse

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with now the father of the remaining twin and his father, the

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grandfather, apparently, battling for custody of her. It's going to

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make that ` that little girl is in a terrible situation. It will only

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make it worse. A family that is not really showing the signs of

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stability you would want? No the grandfather says he doesn't think

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his son, the lifestyle his son leads, makes him worthy really of

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getting this child. A twin. I mean, this is so tragic. The so tragic.

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Let us finish with the Sunday Times. Strip Russia of the World Cup,

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Clegg. Pull the plug on Putin or look weak. Nick Clegg trying to get

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the World Cup to be taken from Russia. Supposed to be staged there

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in 2018 following the shooting down of the Malaysian airlines jet. Will

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FIFA feel inclined to do this? No. Basically. Dealt with. If Putin

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wasn't worried about a lawsuit that is not going to happen. He will

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hardly be worried about Nick Clegg saying take away the World Cup. I

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don't think FIFA or President Putin, unfor too you anywayly are listening

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to him. It's a long time ago. A long time away. FIFA... What more can we

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say about FIFA? Is they will be outraged about this! No, I don't

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think so. I don't think so. That dealt with that then. Several

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newspapers have their front pages dismissed. If you have any comments

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about the sort of stories we have been talking about, you can contact

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us with those comments on Twitter using the # BBC papers. Stay with

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us, we will have the latest on the conflict in Gaza. Coming up next,

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Reporters.

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