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rush at the European athletics championships in Swansea, and the

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European swimming in Berlin. That is all in Sportsday, in 15 minutes,

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after the papers. Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers

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will be bringing us tomorrow. With me are Neil Midgley, media

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commentator from Forbes.com and the political commentator and journalist

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Miranda Green. Tomorrow's front pages, starting with: The Financial

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Times pictures how rail fares will rise 3.5% from January, in another

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above`inflation increase. The Telegraph says husbands who bully or

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intimidate their partners could be jailed under a new offence of

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domestic abuse. The I quotes research which suggest the majority

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of English voters want Scotland to remain part of the UK. The Daily

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Mail claims nurses are being asked to question elderly patients about

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whether they would agree to a 'do not resuscitate' order. 'Private

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patient income soars at NHS trusts' is the headline on the front of the

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Guardian. The Daily Express also leads on house prices. It says the

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average home has risen 23,000 pounds in a year. The Times leads on

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allegations in the High Court concerning the mayor of Tower

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Hamlets in London. And the Scotsman quotes Alex Salmond as saying he

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would be prepared to give up his political career if that was the

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price of gaining an independent Scotland. We will talk about that a

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little bit later on. What we will start with the Daily Mail. Do you

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want us to let you die? That is the headline. Nurses on home visits told

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to ask elderly patients if this is what they would want. It is a great

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Daily Mail splash, do you want us to let you die? Nurses are making home

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visits to patients, elderly patients, and filling in a form,

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which is part of a scheme to keep people out of hospital apparently

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and improve care for the elderly. But as part of this, patients are

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being asked whether they will sign a DNR. This is one of those issues

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where if the system works as it should, this is all right. If your

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heart stops beating, many don't want special measures. Many people who

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are very old don't want that, they consider that time is up. The

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question is whether the system always works as it should. What the

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Daily Mail is pointing out is that some vulnerable elderly people may

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feel pressured by nurses that they don't know. The burden of this story

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really is that these forms are being taken out by nurses that they have

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never met before. It is not a district nurse with whom they have

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an ongoing relationship. It might be someone they have never met, and

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might seem like an intrusive and pressurised question, and people may

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later regret you answers. The Daily Mail is not necessarily saying that

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it is wrong to ask these questions, but that the wrong people are asking

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them. The elderly person needs a... I don't know, feels that they can

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trust. Absolutely, it is not just the person asking the question, but

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the circumstances. You might ask somebody already in hospital who is

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going through a difficult illness how they felt about a DNR order on

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their notes. At this is a home visit to assess before someone has become

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seriously ill. Their attitude to ageing, what the health problems

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might be, how he would like to be treated if they become ill. It is

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supposed to be part of this strategy to keep people out of hospital. But

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it seems there is an extra question tag onto the questionnaire. Well by

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the way, you know, do you want us to let you die? And it is being

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described by health experts in the Daily Mail as callous for the reason

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that somebody might be feeling vulnerable when visited at home in

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this way I health professional age are not know or have a relationship

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with. They might well sign a form to try and be corporative, really, and

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then very much regret it later. And also, the family may not be present,

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it may not be the widest possible way to assess whether it is

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appropriate for somebody to have a DNR order. `` corporative. There has

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been so much discussion recently about assisted suicide and the Right

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to Die `` co`operative. They don't in some cases want to needlessly and

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painfully prolong their lives. There is this whole ethical dilemma about

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when life should be allowed to end by doctors. It will stay on the

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front pages as a huge ethical dilemma of our times. It is. Let us

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go through a dilemma that the Scots will be going through on the 18th of

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September. The referendum there. Alex Salmond, the First Minister,

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has said I would quit if it meant a yes vote. He would trade his career

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and his party to support independence. But that question is

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not on the ballot. It seems in recent days as if the yes camp is

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sort of closing in on no. They have had a healthy lead for the last few

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months, and what all the experts say, the people who watch Scottish

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politics very closely, is that Alex Salmond and the SNP and those in

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favour of Scotland separating need a game changer to overtake the No

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campaign. And this story says that somebody in the independence

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campaign has tried to publicise a fairly throwaway remark by Alex

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Salmond earlier this week, because they don't want people to go to the

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ballot box thinking they are voting on the issue of whether Alex Salmond

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will be the king of a new independent Scotland. He is talented

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and charismatic, but also divisive as a politician. Many in Scotland

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don't like the idea of Alex Salmond being in charge, while they are

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attracted to his vision. So they are trying to remove the Alex Salmond

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personal factor from the vote. Will that work? As you say, he has not

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actually resigned. So we might never know. But apparently, according to

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this story, he is something of an electoral liability. So maybe the

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yes campaign are trying to have their cake and eat it too. Have them

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leading it, but also have in the wings the possibility that he will

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leave it at some future point. As an addition to this story, we have the

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front of the... It is actually page four of the I there. They want the

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government to be tough on Scotland, even if they vote No. That is not

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what Westminster is moving towards, it seems to want to give Scotland

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everything, to try and keep them in the union. Yes, but the English

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generally take a different view. They want the Scots to stay with

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them, so they are not in favour of Scottish independent, by quite a big

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margin, I think, which surprises me actually, as I would have thought

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the English would be quite in favour of getting rid of them. Why? One of

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the reasons is that the English... In this is a thorny issue, given

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royal revenues, but public spending per head in Scotland is much higher.

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One of the things coming out of this poll is that the English want public

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spending in Scotland authorised I Westminster and paid for in part I

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the alleged taxpayer, paying for free tuition, and healthcare for the

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elderly... This is very interesting, because I suspect, I have covered

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last month, it was fantastic. What I last month, it was fantastic. What I

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suspect is that the English are using their hearts and not their

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heads, in their response to these kinds of questionnaires, as to

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whether or not Scotland should separate, so the idea of the union

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disappearing, the idea that Scotland is no longer part of what we want,

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and what we like, it is not about economics. And it is the heart

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ruling the head, that Alex Salmond hopes to tap into as far as Scottish

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voters are concerned. It is an interesting question as to whether

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that is going on. I agree that the slogan Better Together probably

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makes a lot of sense to the English. The polling data from the papers

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tomorrow morning would suggest that is absolutely the case. But there is

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really bad news for both the yes and no camps in this story. Because,

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unfortunately for Alex Salmond, it shows that people in England would

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not be keen at all on his plan to keep some sort of currency union.

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The Sterling, absolutely. The English would like the government to

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reject that. That is bad for Alex Salmond. On the other hand, this

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poll is bad for the prounion No campaign, because it shows the

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English would like Scotland, public spending to be cut in the event of a

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no. And also, as explained, they would like Scottish MPs to be

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deprived of the right to vote on English matters at Westminster. This

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is a kind of constant running issue since devolution in 1999. This is

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contrary to the policies coming out of the No campaign. It will be

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interesting to see whether negative reaction to the setback for the yes

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side or the no side stronger in Scotland. We are into the last month

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of the campaign. If the polls start moving in one direction or the

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other, there will be a lot of people getting very jumpy about this. It

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goes back to the fundamental thing about this referendum, which is that

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only the Scots get a vote. It is presented as a referendum on

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Scottish independence. It is also a referendum about the breakup of the

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United Kingdom, which is as much an issue for the English and the Welsh

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and the northern Irish, as it is for the Scots in many. So it is hardly

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surprising that the English, denied a vote, when you ask them in the

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opinion polls what they think the consequences of the Scottish vote

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should be, they are not particularly charitable. It could also have a big

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effect on the BBC as well. We face a big funding cut of Scotland votes

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yes. Neil, with your media analyst hat on, what are they talking about?

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Roughly speaking, 10% of the licence fee comes from Scotland, so ex

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hypothesi, if you take Scotland away, the BBC gets less money. I

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think it is overdramatised, not least because if the BBC becomes the

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English broadcasting Corporation, effectively, then they won't have to

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spend money in Scotland either. They won't have revenue, but they also

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won't have expenditure. Some say that is what it already is,

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actually. The BBC, whether a figleaf or not, has put a lot of effort in

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all the nations. Question Time has gone to Glasgow, the weakest Link

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went to Scotland for production. They are trying to get more network

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programmes in the nations. That would not be the case. The person to

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talk to about a casting is Alex Salmond. He wants to persuade the

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Scottish people they can have all the BBC stuff they have at the

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moment, and a separate Scottish broadcasting company which would

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make its own programmes. Now you can't have both of those for the

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same money. You just can't, it doesn't add up. You either have to

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have less BBC, so you have to have a Scottish broadcasting company which

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would buy some BBC programmes but not others, so you might get

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EastEnders but not Strict league. Or you say we will take the BBC in its

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entirety `` Strictly. Or you say we will pay a license fee in Scotland,

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and an additional fee for a Scottish broadcaster, which would be

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unpopular. One suspects for Scottish voters this is more of an issue for

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the BBC. It is not really at the top of Scottish voters' minds, as they

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decide what to do on independence. I think that is not quite right

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actually. One of the things the pro` independence campaign has tried to

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do... They have tried to promise as much stability and continuity as

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possible. There has been a lot of don't frighten the horses about the

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pro` independence campaign. They have tried to say they are not

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abolishing the Queen, they will keep her as head of state. All this stuff

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about the Sterling, it will still be used as the currency, and even in

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that large document he produced at that large document he produced at

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the beginning of the summer, they have tried to say the cultural UK

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riches including the BBC, will remain there as. That may not be the

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case. That may affect people's vote. Britain will send jets to join the

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hunt for kidnapped girls. 200 girls are still missing after being

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kidnapped by the Islamist group Boko Haram. This story was absolutely

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huge when it happened. Over 200 schoolgirls taken in north`eastern

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Nigeria. The whole world was horrified. In fact, it was

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impossible at the time to find them, do anything about it. The

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government was heavily criticised for a flat`footed response. There

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were calls for international intervention and it did not happen.

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The UK is involved in surveillance and intelligence gathering. It is

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going to step up its role in trying to work out a pattern of Boko Haram

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movements in Nigeria. There is no suggestion the UK is going to swoop

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in and rescue the girls. The UK is becoming very involved in

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surveillance and intelligence gathering. That is also one of the

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key roles for the Brits in Iraq against the Islamic State. There is

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very little understanding of the shape of ISIS. That is also the case

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with Boko Haram. This is two areas of the world where the UK is

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starting to think of how it can help, even if it is not going to

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have military intervention. That is the key. Very briefly. David Cameron

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has been talking about using UK military assets and prowess, but not

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Brits on the ground. This musty one of the obvious ways he is referring

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to. `` this must be. These girls need to be rescued. If we have got

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jets, we should send jets. There is a wider question of when British

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foreign policy keeps being interventionist, when does it end?

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Look at what is happening in Iraq. But look at Kosovo, look at Sierra

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Leone. There are success stories. We could talk about this for a lot

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more. But we cannot, unfortunately. It has been good to have you with

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us. Now it is time for Sportsday.

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