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in Sierra Leone tests positive for Ebola. It is the first person from

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the UK known to have contracted the virus.

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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing

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us tomorrow. With me are Matthew Syed, who is a columnist for The

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Times and the broadcaster and campaigner, David Akinsanya.

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Tomorrow's front pages, starting with: The Mail on Sunday reports the

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decision to fly home the British charity worker, found to have caught

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Ebola, was signed off at the highest level. The Independent carries an

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interview with a Muslim former Army Officer, he says our country's

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leaders have failed the young people who head to the Middle East to fight

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for the Islamic State. The Sunday Telegraph says data shows the number

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of immigrants who vanish after being found with false passports is

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increasing ` causing problems for those trying to catch jihadist

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terrorists returning to the UK. The Observer claims diplomats in

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Washington are considering sanctioning airstrikes in Syria,

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targeting Islamic State militants. The Express warns that dozens of FBI

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agents are to be posted to UK airports to monitor returning

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Islamic fundamentalists. There are some common themes, one might say.

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Let's make a start. Good evening to you. We start with The Independent.

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This huge interview they have been doing with a former British army

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captain. This very much caught your eye. We are a similar age. This made

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me think of how things were in terms of racism when I was at school. I

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always felt as a black person that I was seen as less of a bad person by

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society than the Asian people. And we had the p`word flying about. I

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can almost understand why members of the community have gone within

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themselves. And why that particular community has become isolated. I

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think we were wicked and horrible to them, particularly during the 80s

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and 90s. I remember awful things happening to Asian people in the

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town where I grew up. And reading this and seeing these people, it

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makes me think it is about identity. These young people have got

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differences of opinion with the elders in their community. Again, we

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talk about whether there is a hierarchy within the Muslim

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tradition in this country. And who are they answerable to? You hear all

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the time that we have to talk to the community and have people within the

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community talking to the youngsters, to divert them away from this sort

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of stuff. Almost what I am saying is we have brought this on ourselves.

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It is interesting. You are making the point that society as a whole

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has been racist in its approach to parts of the Muslim community. But

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he said specifically that their own leaders have failed in engaging

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young people, and essentially, the says, have driven teenagers into the

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arms of Islamic State. There is some truth in that, but there is a major

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discussion to be had about the effect of an extreme perspective

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when it comes to religion. The idea of received truth. These people

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think that they have not just the right, but the duty to perceive

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anyone who doesn't subscribe to their very narrow view of Islam, as

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infidels. That is why you can't negotiate with them. Such an extreme

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and implacable set of opinions they have, that if we did reach a

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political consensus with ISIS and said we will give you this caliphate

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if you won't attack us, they will still attack us. They think they

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have been ordained by God with the monopoly of truth. While one can

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provide a wider social context for why certain British Muslims have

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gone into an extremist path, that doesn't explain the rise of

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extremism and Islam in the Middle East. And the fact that they want to

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perpetrate mass terrorism on the west is to me to do with the

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dangerous psychology of religious extremism. You have to confront that

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head on, you can't negotiate with it. But can you see why these young

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boys, with no identity, all with issues with their identity, as the

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black community did in the 80s and 90s, there were all sorts of people

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saying the only answer was this. There is an identity crisis with

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these guys, and maybe being involved in this makes them feel more Muslim.

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Do you understand? That is the only thing... The Mac think about how big

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a difference there is between the alienation which leads to gang

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culture and certain types of delinquency and the alienation

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combined with religious fundamentalism that leads to a

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desire to perpetrate mass atrocities on anyone who doesn't... It is

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scarier. How do we even begin to deal with that? Like I was saying to

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you, I remember years ago, I have done lots of documentaries in

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prisons. All of a sudden in the 1990s, I noticed a lot of Muslim

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boys in prison. And the numbers are up and up and up. It is about being

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in the group and feeling like you are not taking part in society.

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There is one very important point. The vast majority of Muslims in this

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country do not subscribe to the interpretation of the Koran which is

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that you are entitled to perpetrate atrocities on anyone who has

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committed up to see or anyone who doesn't subscribe. We must focus on

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extremists. We can't negotiate with these people because they use any

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concession to try and further their aims even more. I think

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understanding the psychology of extremism is very important in

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trying to determine what one does politically. I just feel at the

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moment that we haven't... The British political establishment has

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not got to grips with that yet. You are echoing him to some extent, as

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he is quoted as saying that politicians have lost their nerve.

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He says we need to come down more heavily on this. It is a difficult

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path for the politicians to tread, because of the race issue, people

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get very twitchy and don't want to look as though they are victimising

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certain people. It is like the stop`and`search within the black

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immunity. If it is targeted and appropriate and they are going for

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the right people, rather than a big net and trying to catch everybody,

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it has to be targeted. For what it's worth, I think that nobody, nobody

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from the moderate Islamic community or anyone like me from an ethnic

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minority, would have any problem with targeting extremist and being

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ruthless. Being strong and determined and having an aggressive

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policy. But what is terrible is when you lump everybody with round skin

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as Muslims, and every Muslim with extremism. That is a false

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comparison `` round skin. It leads us into the cartoon in the comment

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section `` brown skin. Really saying that these are the few, really, but

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what is so scary is that the emotion is so raw and powerful. We were

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talking before, our parents came from foreign places, and I'm not

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saying that I am overly in love with everything that has happened to me

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in this society, but I am British. When I go to Nigeria they call me

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English Boy. I know I am British, and I live here and have to make an

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effort like everyone else. Just one thing here. Hate. I think it is the

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right term. The deep profound paradox and irony is that they think

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they are motivated by love of God. That is the great tragedy. They

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think they are doing things in the name of a moral cause. It is a

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skewed, distorted, grotesque idea of what religion is about. That is

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really curious thing about the way they justify what they do. Going

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back to your original point, that is what makes it so hard to engage with

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it and to know how to tackle the whole issue. Moving on to the Sunday

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Telegraph. Not their main story but tucked away down the bottom, perhaps

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with links to this Tory in a way. The whole idea of how we deal with

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belief and what we make of it, whether it is extreme or not.

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British Christians we are hearing are forced to hide their beliefs. ``

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this story. An interview given to the Sunday Telegraph. Again, as a

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nonbeliever, as someone without a strong religion, you can look at

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these religious groups and organisations and it seems a bit

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crazy at the moment. At the rah people in jobs who, like registrars

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and Hotel owners and people on British Airways, who are trying to

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express their religion and have been knocked back. Some are hearing

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within the organisation, or whatever. What we are saying is that

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politicians especially should not be afraid of doing God. Very effective

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in America, I'm not sure how effective it would be here. They

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don't appreciate religion here as much as Americans do. Long it is

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unusual here. Dominic Reeve is always quite balanced in how he

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approaches these issues. He talks about the exclusion of Christians

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here, very apocalyptic language. He draws the comparison with Christians

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in Iraq with appalling scenes of Christians being beheaded. Honestly.

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What is he talking about? We have freedom of religion in this country.

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We are very tolerant of each other. I happen to be an atheist and I

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express views that Christians would not agree with, but we live in

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harmony. There are bishops in the House of Lords. They are an

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established church. I think even to refer in the same sentence to

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Christians, what they are facing here, and I know that if you are in

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a B and you don't want to have a gay couple come and stay it may feel

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an affront to you that you are forced to do so by law, I think

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that's actually a good thing, because otherwise you will be using

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religion to discriminate against people in a way which I think is

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unfair. We try and wave religious freedom against other values. To

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compare it with the Middle East is frankly ridiculous. `` try and weigh

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religious freedom. Moving onto the Sunday express. Their lead story.

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The FBI to guard UK airports. The idea of having American experts to

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come in and help out at our borders perhaps. It made me laugh, we talked

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about the lack of border controls in this country, but it is laughable to

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think that the Americans don't trust us. When you read this, this is what

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you think... They think we are making a mess of it. And we are soft

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and so forth. Having said that, it is three initially at ten in the

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future. But they are talking about following up and homing in on people

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they already know of. They say they have advanced monitoring

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capabilities and terrorist tracking and identification techniques which

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have been tried and tested. Do you know what? Ring it on. If they can

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help, if they can help us, links into the front page of the Sunday

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Telegraph, which is that 2700 people who came in, legal immigrants,

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absconded, and remain at large. `` bring it on. And when you consider

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that these might be motivated to carry out mass terrorism, if the FBI

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can help, great. On the one hand, the practical help might be good if

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they have different skills, but if the politicians allow it, it can

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look as though we are making a hash of it. Many watching would think we

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haven't got control of our borders, and something needs to be done. Not

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quite such an unpronounceable volcano this time in Iceland,

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potentially going to cause trouble, perhaps not as much as 2010. The

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aviation industry is an impressive one in the way it thinks about

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safety. Good protocols to learn to accidents, blackbox data, reform

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protocols, the ergonomics of cockpits, a healthy attitude to

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failure. And not to my surprise at all, but the aviation authority has

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said since 2010 they have done a couple of things. The one, they have

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contingency plans if there is a volcano, so there is less

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disruption. Also better monitoring of whether cloud may go to. So they

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can ensure that it doesn't enter aircraft engines. It is a good

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contingency plan, one hopes, and given the rigour with which they

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deployed in most other areas, I'm confident. There have been changes

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to how much you can legally fly through, as there was concern in

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2010 that the levels were set wrongly.

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A lovely picture here of this woman. Who was she? She is a lady who has

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offered a stranger one of her kidneys. We think that's a wonderful

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thing. I said to you... She says one of the reasons she is doing it, she

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didn't have children. If she isn't going to give life, she wants to

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save a life. Many people do good things. I had a social worker who

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didn't have children, so she decided to commit herself to social work.

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It's so important when we talk about the dark side of humanity that we

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recognise that all of us have the ability for altruism. Many people

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give blood, many people volunteer. I could become a sportsman because

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somebody gave up their time night after night to coach me. What a

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totally ridiculous, shallow celebrity culture we can have. Let's

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celebrate genuine heroes who do things that are great out of

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benevolence. I applaud this woman. Good for you. We have named Shakhter

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more than once! Good on her. `` name checked her. Thank you, Matthew Syed

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and David Akinsanya. Gives you a flavour of what we've got to come.

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people in a town in northern Iraq face the threat of massacre by

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Islamist militants. But coming up next, The Film Review.

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