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in Sierra Leone tests positive for Ebola. It is the first person from


the UK known to have contracted the virus.


Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing


us tomorrow. With me are Matthew Syed, who is a columnist for The


Times and the broadcaster and campaigner, David Akinsanya.


Tomorrow's front pages, starting with: The Mail on Sunday reports the


decision to fly home the British charity worker, found to have caught


Ebola, was signed off at the highest level. The Independent carries an


interview with a Muslim former Army Officer, he says our country's


leaders have failed the young people who head to the Middle East to fight


for the Islamic State. The Sunday Telegraph says data shows the number


of immigrants who vanish after being found with false passports is


increasing ` causing problems for those trying to catch jihadist


terrorists returning to the UK. The Observer claims diplomats in


Washington are considering sanctioning airstrikes in Syria,


targeting Islamic State militants. The Express warns that dozens of FBI


agents are to be posted to UK airports to monitor returning


Islamic fundamentalists. There are some common themes, one might say.


Let's make a start. Good evening to you. We start with The Independent.


This huge interview they have been doing with a former British army


captain. This very much caught your eye. We are a similar age. This made


me think of how things were in terms of racism when I was at school. I


always felt as a black person that I was seen as less of a bad person by


society than the Asian people. And we had the p`word flying about. I


can almost understand why members of the community have gone within


themselves. And why that particular community has become isolated. I


think we were wicked and horrible to them, particularly during the 80s


and 90s. I remember awful things happening to Asian people in the


town where I grew up. And reading this and seeing these people, it


makes me think it is about identity. These young people have got


differences of opinion with the elders in their community. Again, we


talk about whether there is a hierarchy within the Muslim


tradition in this country. And who are they answerable to? You hear all


the time that we have to talk to the community and have people within the


community talking to the youngsters, to divert them away from this sort


of stuff. Almost what I am saying is we have brought this on ourselves.


It is interesting. You are making the point that society as a whole


has been racist in its approach to parts of the Muslim community. But


he said specifically that their own leaders have failed in engaging


young people, and essentially, the says, have driven teenagers into the


arms of Islamic State. There is some truth in that, but there is a major


discussion to be had about the effect of an extreme perspective


when it comes to religion. The idea of received truth. These people


think that they have not just the right, but the duty to perceive


anyone who doesn't subscribe to their very narrow view of Islam, as


infidels. That is why you can't negotiate with them. Such an extreme


and implacable set of opinions they have, that if we did reach a


political consensus with ISIS and said we will give you this caliphate


if you won't attack us, they will still attack us. They think they


have been ordained by God with the monopoly of truth. While one can


provide a wider social context for why certain British Muslims have


gone into an extremist path, that doesn't explain the rise of


extremism and Islam in the Middle East. And the fact that they want to


perpetrate mass terrorism on the west is to me to do with the


dangerous psychology of religious extremism. You have to confront that


head on, you can't negotiate with it. But can you see why these young


boys, with no identity, all with issues with their identity, as the


black community did in the 80s and 90s, there were all sorts of people


saying the only answer was this. There is an identity crisis with


these guys, and maybe being involved in this makes them feel more Muslim.


Do you understand? That is the only thing... The Mac think about how big


a difference there is between the alienation which leads to gang


culture and certain types of delinquency and the alienation


combined with religious fundamentalism that leads to a


desire to perpetrate mass atrocities on anyone who doesn't... It is


scarier. How do we even begin to deal with that? Like I was saying to


you, I remember years ago, I have done lots of documentaries in


prisons. All of a sudden in the 1990s, I noticed a lot of Muslim


boys in prison. And the numbers are up and up and up. It is about being


in the group and feeling like you are not taking part in society.


There is one very important point. The vast majority of Muslims in this


country do not subscribe to the interpretation of the Koran which is


that you are entitled to perpetrate atrocities on anyone who has


committed up to see or anyone who doesn't subscribe. We must focus on


extremists. We can't negotiate with these people because they use any


concession to try and further their aims even more. I think


understanding the psychology of extremism is very important in


trying to determine what one does politically. I just feel at the


moment that we haven't... The British political establishment has


not got to grips with that yet. You are echoing him to some extent, as


he is quoted as saying that politicians have lost their nerve.


He says we need to come down more heavily on this. It is a difficult


path for the politicians to tread, because of the race issue, people


get very twitchy and don't want to look as though they are victimising


certain people. It is like the stop`and`search within the black


immunity. If it is targeted and appropriate and they are going for


the right people, rather than a big net and trying to catch everybody,


it has to be targeted. For what it's worth, I think that nobody, nobody


from the moderate Islamic community or anyone like me from an ethnic


minority, would have any problem with targeting extremist and being


ruthless. Being strong and determined and having an aggressive


policy. But what is terrible is when you lump everybody with round skin


as Muslims, and every Muslim with extremism. That is a false


comparison `` round skin. It leads us into the cartoon in the comment


section `` brown skin. Really saying that these are the few, really, but


what is so scary is that the emotion is so raw and powerful. We were


talking before, our parents came from foreign places, and I'm not


saying that I am overly in love with everything that has happened to me


in this society, but I am British. When I go to Nigeria they call me


English Boy. I know I am British, and I live here and have to make an


effort like everyone else. Just one thing here. Hate. I think it is the


right term. The deep profound paradox and irony is that they think


they are motivated by love of God. That is the great tragedy. They


think they are doing things in the name of a moral cause. It is a


skewed, distorted, grotesque idea of what religion is about. That is


really curious thing about the way they justify what they do. Going


back to your original point, that is what makes it so hard to engage with


it and to know how to tackle the whole issue. Moving on to the Sunday


Telegraph. Not their main story but tucked away down the bottom, perhaps


with links to this Tory in a way. The whole idea of how we deal with


belief and what we make of it, whether it is extreme or not.


British Christians we are hearing are forced to hide their beliefs. ``


this story. An interview given to the Sunday Telegraph. Again, as a


nonbeliever, as someone without a strong religion, you can look at


these religious groups and organisations and it seems a bit


crazy at the moment. At the rah people in jobs who, like registrars


and Hotel owners and people on British Airways, who are trying to


express their religion and have been knocked back. Some are hearing


within the organisation, or whatever. What we are saying is that


politicians especially should not be afraid of doing God. Very effective


in America, I'm not sure how effective it would be here. They


don't appreciate religion here as much as Americans do. Long it is


unusual here. Dominic Reeve is always quite balanced in how he


approaches these issues. He talks about the exclusion of Christians


here, very apocalyptic language. He draws the comparison with Christians


in Iraq with appalling scenes of Christians being beheaded. Honestly.


What is he talking about? We have freedom of religion in this country.


We are very tolerant of each other. I happen to be an atheist and I


express views that Christians would not agree with, but we live in


harmony. There are bishops in the House of Lords. They are an


established church. I think even to refer in the same sentence to


Christians, what they are facing here, and I know that if you are in


a B and you don't want to have a gay couple come and stay it may feel


an affront to you that you are forced to do so by law, I think


that's actually a good thing, because otherwise you will be using


religion to discriminate against people in a way which I think is


unfair. We try and wave religious freedom against other values. To


compare it with the Middle East is frankly ridiculous. `` try and weigh


religious freedom. Moving onto the Sunday express. Their lead story.


The FBI to guard UK airports. The idea of having American experts to


come in and help out at our borders perhaps. It made me laugh, we talked


about the lack of border controls in this country, but it is laughable to


think that the Americans don't trust us. When you read this, this is what


you think... They think we are making a mess of it. And we are soft


and so forth. Having said that, it is three initially at ten in the


future. But they are talking about following up and homing in on people


they already know of. They say they have advanced monitoring


capabilities and terrorist tracking and identification techniques which


have been tried and tested. Do you know what? Ring it on. If they can


help, if they can help us, links into the front page of the Sunday


Telegraph, which is that 2700 people who came in, legal immigrants,


absconded, and remain at large. `` bring it on. And when you consider


that these might be motivated to carry out mass terrorism, if the FBI


can help, great. On the one hand, the practical help might be good if


they have different skills, but if the politicians allow it, it can


look as though we are making a hash of it. Many watching would think we


haven't got control of our borders, and something needs to be done. Not


quite such an unpronounceable volcano this time in Iceland,


potentially going to cause trouble, perhaps not as much as 2010. The


aviation industry is an impressive one in the way it thinks about


safety. Good protocols to learn to accidents, blackbox data, reform


protocols, the ergonomics of cockpits, a healthy attitude to


failure. And not to my surprise at all, but the aviation authority has


said since 2010 they have done a couple of things. The one, they have


contingency plans if there is a volcano, so there is less


disruption. Also better monitoring of whether cloud may go to. So they


can ensure that it doesn't enter aircraft engines. It is a good


contingency plan, one hopes, and given the rigour with which they


deployed in most other areas, I'm confident. There have been changes


to how much you can legally fly through, as there was concern in


2010 that the levels were set wrongly.


A lovely picture here of this woman. Who was she? She is a lady who has


offered a stranger one of her kidneys. We think that's a wonderful


thing. I said to you... She says one of the reasons she is doing it, she


didn't have children. If she isn't going to give life, she wants to


save a life. Many people do good things. I had a social worker who


didn't have children, so she decided to commit herself to social work.


It's so important when we talk about the dark side of humanity that we


recognise that all of us have the ability for altruism. Many people


give blood, many people volunteer. I could become a sportsman because


somebody gave up their time night after night to coach me. What a


totally ridiculous, shallow celebrity culture we can have. Let's


celebrate genuine heroes who do things that are great out of


benevolence. I applaud this woman. Good for you. We have named Shakhter


more than once! Good on her. `` name checked her. Thank you, Matthew Syed


and David Akinsanya. Gives you a flavour of what we've got to come.


Stay with us here on BBC News. At midnight, the UN warns that 20,000


people in a town in northern Iraq face the threat of massacre by


Islamist militants. But coming up next, The Film Review.


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