23/08/2014 The Papers

in Sierra Leone tests positive for Ebola. It is the first person from

the UK known to have contracted the virus.

Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing

us tomorrow. With me are Matthew Syed, who is a columnist for The

Times and the broadcaster and campaigner, David Akinsanya.

Tomorrow's front pages, starting with: The Mail on Sunday reports the

decision to fly home the British charity worker, found to have caught

Ebola, was signed off at the highest level. The Independent carries an

interview with a Muslim former Army Officer, he says our country's

leaders have failed the young people who head to the Middle East to fight

for the Islamic State. The Sunday Telegraph says data shows the number

of immigrants who vanish after being found with false passports is

increasing ` causing problems for those trying to catch jihadist

terrorists returning to the UK. The Observer claims diplomats in

Washington are considering sanctioning airstrikes in Syria,

targeting Islamic State militants. The Express warns that dozens of FBI

agents are to be posted to UK airports to monitor returning

Islamic fundamentalists. There are some common themes, one might say.

Let's make a start. Good evening to you. We start with The Independent.

This huge interview they have been doing with a former British army

captain. This very much caught your eye. We are a similar age. This made

me think of how things were in terms of racism when I was at school. I

always felt as a black person that I was seen as less of a bad person by

society than the Asian people. And we had the p`word flying about. I

can almost understand why members of the community have gone within

themselves. And why that particular community has become isolated. I

think we were wicked and horrible to them, particularly during the 80s

and 90s. I remember awful things happening to Asian people in the

town where I grew up. And reading this and seeing these people, it

makes me think it is about identity. These young people have got

differences of opinion with the elders in their community. Again, we

talk about whether there is a hierarchy within the Muslim

tradition in this country. And who are they answerable to? You hear all

the time that we have to talk to the community and have people within the

community talking to the youngsters, to divert them away from this sort

of stuff. Almost what I am saying is we have brought this on ourselves.

It is interesting. You are making the point that society as a whole

has been racist in its approach to parts of the Muslim community. But

he said specifically that their own leaders have failed in engaging

young people, and essentially, the says, have driven teenagers into the

arms of Islamic State. There is some truth in that, but there is a major

discussion to be had about the effect of an extreme perspective

when it comes to religion. The idea of received truth. These people

think that they have not just the right, but the duty to perceive

anyone who doesn't subscribe to their very narrow view of Islam, as

infidels. That is why you can't negotiate with them. Such an extreme

and implacable set of opinions they have, that if we did reach a

political consensus with ISIS and said we will give you this caliphate

if you won't attack us, they will still attack us. They think they

have been ordained by God with the monopoly of truth. While one can

provide a wider social context for why certain British Muslims have

gone into an extremist path, that doesn't explain the rise of

extremism and Islam in the Middle East. And the fact that they want to

perpetrate mass terrorism on the west is to me to do with the

dangerous psychology of religious extremism. You have to confront that

head on, you can't negotiate with it. But can you see why these young

boys, with no identity, all with issues with their identity, as the

black community did in the 80s and 90s, there were all sorts of people

saying the only answer was this. There is an identity crisis with

these guys, and maybe being involved in this makes them feel more Muslim.

Do you understand? That is the only thing... The Mac think about how big

a difference there is between the alienation which leads to gang

culture and certain types of delinquency and the alienation

combined with religious fundamentalism that leads to a

desire to perpetrate mass atrocities on anyone who doesn't... It is

scarier. How do we even begin to deal with that? Like I was saying to

you, I remember years ago, I have done lots of documentaries in

prisons. All of a sudden in the 1990s, I noticed a lot of Muslim

boys in prison. And the numbers are up and up and up. It is about being

in the group and feeling like you are not taking part in society.

There is one very important point. The vast majority of Muslims in this

country do not subscribe to the interpretation of the Koran which is

that you are entitled to perpetrate atrocities on anyone who has

committed up to see or anyone who doesn't subscribe. We must focus on

extremists. We can't negotiate with these people because they use any

concession to try and further their aims even more. I think

understanding the psychology of extremism is very important in

trying to determine what one does politically. I just feel at the

moment that we haven't... The British political establishment has

not got to grips with that yet. You are echoing him to some extent, as

he is quoted as saying that politicians have lost their nerve.

He says we need to come down more heavily on this. It is a difficult

path for the politicians to tread, because of the race issue, people

get very twitchy and don't want to look as though they are victimising

certain people. It is like the stop`and`search within the black

immunity. If it is targeted and appropriate and they are going for

the right people, rather than a big net and trying to catch everybody,

it has to be targeted. For what it's worth, I think that nobody, nobody

from the moderate Islamic community or anyone like me from an ethnic

minority, would have any problem with targeting extremist and being

ruthless. Being strong and determined and having an aggressive

policy. But what is terrible is when you lump everybody with round skin

as Muslims, and every Muslim with extremism. That is a false

comparison `` round skin. It leads us into the cartoon in the comment

section `` brown skin. Really saying that these are the few, really, but

what is so scary is that the emotion is so raw and powerful. We were

talking before, our parents came from foreign places, and I'm not

saying that I am overly in love with everything that has happened to me

in this society, but I am British. When I go to Nigeria they call me

English Boy. I know I am British, and I live here and have to make an

effort like everyone else. Just one thing here. Hate. I think it is the

right term. The deep profound paradox and irony is that they think

they are motivated by love of God. That is the great tragedy. They

think they are doing things in the name of a moral cause. It is a

skewed, distorted, grotesque idea of what religion is about. That is

really curious thing about the way they justify what they do. Going

back to your original point, that is what makes it so hard to engage with

it and to know how to tackle the whole issue. Moving on to the Sunday

Telegraph. Not their main story but tucked away down the bottom, perhaps

with links to this Tory in a way. The whole idea of how we deal with

belief and what we make of it, whether it is extreme or not.

British Christians we are hearing are forced to hide their beliefs. ``

this story. An interview given to the Sunday Telegraph. Again, as a

nonbeliever, as someone without a strong religion, you can look at

these religious groups and organisations and it seems a bit

crazy at the moment. At the rah people in jobs who, like registrars

and Hotel owners and people on British Airways, who are trying to

express their religion and have been knocked back. Some are hearing

within the organisation, or whatever. What we are saying is that

politicians especially should not be afraid of doing God. Very effective

in America, I'm not sure how effective it would be here. They

don't appreciate religion here as much as Americans do. Long it is

unusual here. Dominic Reeve is always quite balanced in how he

approaches these issues. He talks about the exclusion of Christians

here, very apocalyptic language. He draws the comparison with Christians

in Iraq with appalling scenes of Christians being beheaded. Honestly.

What is he talking about? We have freedom of religion in this country.

We are very tolerant of each other. I happen to be an atheist and I

express views that Christians would not agree with, but we live in

harmony. There are bishops in the House of Lords. They are an

established church. I think even to refer in the same sentence to

Christians, what they are facing here, and I know that if you are in

a B and you don't want to have a gay couple come and stay it may feel

an affront to you that you are forced to do so by law, I think

that's actually a good thing, because otherwise you will be using

religion to discriminate against people in a way which I think is

unfair. We try and wave religious freedom against other values. To

compare it with the Middle East is frankly ridiculous. `` try and weigh

religious freedom. Moving onto the Sunday express. Their lead story.

The FBI to guard UK airports. The idea of having American experts to

come in and help out at our borders perhaps. It made me laugh, we talked

about the lack of border controls in this country, but it is laughable to

think that the Americans don't trust us. When you read this, this is what

you think... They think we are making a mess of it. And we are soft

and so forth. Having said that, it is three initially at ten in the

future. But they are talking about following up and homing in on people

they already know of. They say they have advanced monitoring

capabilities and terrorist tracking and identification techniques which

have been tried and tested. Do you know what? Ring it on. If they can

help, if they can help us, links into the front page of the Sunday

Telegraph, which is that 2700 people who came in, legal immigrants,

absconded, and remain at large. `` bring it on. And when you consider

that these might be motivated to carry out mass terrorism, if the FBI

can help, great. On the one hand, the practical help might be good if

they have different skills, but if the politicians allow it, it can

look as though we are making a hash of it. Many watching would think we

haven't got control of our borders, and something needs to be done. Not

quite such an unpronounceable volcano this time in Iceland,

potentially going to cause trouble, perhaps not as much as 2010. The

aviation industry is an impressive one in the way it thinks about

safety. Good protocols to learn to accidents, blackbox data, reform

protocols, the ergonomics of cockpits, a healthy attitude to

failure. And not to my surprise at all, but the aviation authority has

said since 2010 they have done a couple of things. The one, they have

contingency plans if there is a volcano, so there is less

disruption. Also better monitoring of whether cloud may go to. So they

can ensure that it doesn't enter aircraft engines. It is a good

contingency plan, one hopes, and given the rigour with which they

deployed in most other areas, I'm confident. There have been changes

to how much you can legally fly through, as there was concern in

2010 that the levels were set wrongly.

A lovely picture here of this woman. Who was she? She is a lady who has

offered a stranger one of her kidneys. We think that's a wonderful

thing. I said to you... She says one of the reasons she is doing it, she

didn't have children. If she isn't going to give life, she wants to

save a life. Many people do good things. I had a social worker who

didn't have children, so she decided to commit herself to social work.

It's so important when we talk about the dark side of humanity that we

recognise that all of us have the ability for altruism. Many people

give blood, many people volunteer. I could become a sportsman because

somebody gave up their time night after night to coach me. What a

totally ridiculous, shallow celebrity culture we can have. Let's

celebrate genuine heroes who do things that are great out of

benevolence. I applaud this woman. Good for you. We have named Shakhter

more than once! Good on her. `` name checked her. Thank you, Matthew Syed

and David Akinsanya. Gives you a flavour of what we've got to come.

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