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23/09/2014

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man who knows all about trophies arrives for the Ryder Cup. That will

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be coming up in 15 minutes after the Papers.

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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing

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us tomorrow. With me are here in our London studio, Eleanor Mills,

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Columnist and Editorial Director of The Sunday Times, and from Salford,

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the political commentator, Lance Price. Tomorrow's front

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pages...starting with... Hairy Cornflake faces porridge is the

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headline on the Sun, it refers to former DJ Dave Lee Travis who could

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be facing prison after being found guilty of groping a TV researcher.

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And Two Leaders, Two Gaffes is on the cover of The Independent. Ed

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Miliband forgot to mention the deficit during his party conference

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speech and the Prime Minister was overheard saying the Queen purred

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down the phone when she was told Scotland had rejected independence.

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The Telegraph leads on the UK potentially joining international

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air strikes against Islamic State in Iraq. David Cameron says we cannot

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opt out of the fight. The Express has the same story,

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claiming that the Prime Minister will authorise those strikes on

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Wednesday. The Guardian says Ed Miliband played

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what he hopes will be his trump card as he tries to put the NHS at the

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heart of the election battle. The Times leads on the news that the

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wife of Islamic State hostage Alan Henning has received a recording of

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him pleading for his life. The Mail has the same story, saying

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the jihadists are taunting Barbara Henning.

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And the Mirror claims that parliament will be recalled on

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Friday and that we could be at war by the weekend.

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Not is a taste of the front pages `` that. Let's begin with the poor wife

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of Alan Henning. She's the wife of the taxi driver who went out to

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Syria. She hadn't heard his voice for nine months and was given an

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audiotape in which you pleads with her to try to save him from being

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killed by ISIL. As all these planes launch an assault on Syria, it must

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be awful to know this. Both the Mail and the Times have led with the

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story which has knocked Ed Miliband off the front pages. On the front

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page the Mail, there are no precise details of the message and it was

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not known if it was recorded before or after the airstrikes began. At

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one point, the Daily Mail said that it was in response to the attacks

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but it is not clear whether it came before or after. These are very

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painful especially for the families of the victims but this time it is

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an audiotape and not a video given to the media but just give in to the

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wife of one of the hostages `` given. A very cruel and awful

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position to put her in. On to the Times leading with this again.

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Taking this thing forward a little bit in terms of coverage and

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broadening it in terms of what may or may not happen in regards to

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British action. The Mirror hints that it might happen as early as

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Friday as David Cameron is a New York with Obama. The feeling at

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conference was that it would be recalled... That maybe they hadn't

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done more in terms of announcements because of Ed Miliband's speech

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today but many are expecting Parliament to be recalled so that

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they can discuss this and vote on this. We are picking up disagreement

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on the part of Labour. They didn't get Syria through the Commons last

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year. The way the politicians are behaving as if it is a sure thing,

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that they will join a coalition with the Arab countries in Syria and Iraq

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come up but there has been disagreement. Interesting wording

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here. David Cameron faced accusations of risking our

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international reputation after UK forces were not involved. An

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interesting line they have picked out. And a lot of people were very

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concerned when parliament failed to give its support for military action

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after the use of chemical weapons in Syria and quite senior people were

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saying that we had been left without a foreign`policy. It is quite

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extraordinary that we have the situation of a coalition being put

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together on a principally of Arab countries `` put together, pensively

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up `` principally of Arab countries. It shows how our attitude

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has changed. And the French have already carried out airstrikes in

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Iraq. And the distinction is between Iraq where the government is

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inviting us into do that and Syria where it is more dubious. It seems

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to be implied that there is some agreement with Bashar al`Assad to do

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this. At least that is what the Independent is saying. The Americans

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appear to have informed the people of Syria. It is an interesting line

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that President Obama had to take. He had to inform the government of

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Syria through their United Nations representative that this action was

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going to take place. The enemy was Bashar al`Assad and now the enemy is

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ISIL. Things have changed. This takes us forward to the Guardian

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which also covers that story, certainly its leading photograph

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with President Obama and a photograph from the aircraft carrier

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preparing for the mission against ISIL yesterday. Let's stick with

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that and move on to the subject of Ed Miliband's speech. Lance and

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Eleanor, you were both there. The centrepiece, and really the only

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thing that's got everyone really excited was the pitch to spend 2.5

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billion pounds on moving the NHS forward. It is a surefire winner at

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any conference to talk about the NHS. Labour is rightly proud of

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having created it and certainly in their view, having stopped the

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Tories from dismantling it a number of times in their history. Ed

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Miliband has decided that this has to be another election fought on the

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central issue of the NHS and to make the case that this shouldn't be left

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in Tory hands. Although it has been part of his argument up until now,

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it has not had this central position and it may be a bit late to suddenly

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tell the public that the NHS is under serious threat unless his

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government is elected. I understand the shift of focus has been because

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concerns regarding the NHS have risen according to polls. Certainly,

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the kind of Labour brains operating on this think that the NHS is their

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secret weapon in terms of wooing supporters who might have gone to

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UKIP. Also in support of all those older voters who do support it.

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Younger people and minorities overwhelmingly vote Labour but older

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people go elsewhere and if they establish themselves as defenders of

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the NHS, this could be keyed in at wooing them back `` key in wooing

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them back. The referendum could really be a reason for this and that

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is why you may have heard so much about it anecdotally. But the reason

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why they have changed focus is totally based on polling and there

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is also a sense that perhaps he forgot because he was doing it

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without notes to mention the economy. I also thought it was

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interesting that there was no mention of a multicultural Britain

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or immigration and I don't believe the spin that he forgot it. We have

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seen senior figures close to him very soon afterwards, and no one

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said he missed out on the key bit. You have worked with Labour

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supporters in the past, is it possible he forgot? It is because he

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has made it part of his hallmark to do it without notes and to do it

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from memory and I'm not sure what is worse, whether he did it

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accidentally or whether he did it on purpose because you would have

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thought that the leader of the Labour Party going into his final

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speech before the election would know that the one weakness in his

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armour is that people don't think they are credible on deficit

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reduction and the economy and then not mention it. It seems to be

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incomprehensible not to address it. He was great at getting everyone to

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their feet and talking to the court demographic and about talking about

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crashing down on millionaires for the NHS, but he didn't mention

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wealth creation or how he is going to make Britain a richer place. I

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get the sense from both of you that you had doubts today. I was in the

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hall waiting to be convinced. The polls are putting Labour ahead and

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we may well have him as our Prime Minister. I didn't find his speech

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at all inspiring and I was sitting there hoping that I might. You went

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there with an open mind? I did not go there thinking that I hated him

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and didn't want him to succeed. I was waiting for him to impress me

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because last year he did a very good speech that this one was flat and

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full of platitudes. It was quite boring at. `` boring. I am glad he

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missed some sections because it would have gone on even longer! It

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was totally about appealing to the base, they went mad for the NHS

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bit, and a lot of us older hats were just looking at each other going,

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what is this about? I was desperate to be inspired and I wanted there to

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be a really good argument, a good forward`looking and optimistic

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argument about how we would be better under a Labour government and

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we were not given that. He is a smart guy and knows how to plan a

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strategy, there has obviously been a lot of thinking behind this and he

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clearly thinks, and I think this is an important point, that's the kind

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of grand eloquence we were used two from Tony Blair simply doesn't work

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anymore. The public simply aren't going to take it anymore. Workman

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like politicians are more likeable now but it doesn't make for very

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exciting speeches. I disagree. Just look at Gordon Brown last week and

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his passion about the Better Together campaign which finally

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ignited the No vote in Scotland and was really a game changer. I think

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to say that we only think workmanlike politics are what works

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is absolutely not true. I don't think that, I am saying that is what

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he thinks. Passion is fine but there has to be substance as well. And it

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was very short on substance. The stuff about the NHS was the only

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substance. I will get in trouble for saying that but that is what it felt

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like. And all that about tax avoidance, we have heard for years

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about how he will crack down on tax avoidance. This mentioned taxing

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tobacco, none of it will really fund the changes they want to make in the

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NHS. I felt it was rather dishonest. None of you were terribly

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impressed by the sounds of it. Onto the Independent has embraced Ed

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Miliband and what they are regarding as a misstep. They thought he forgot

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his lines on the economy although we are not sure whether he did or not.

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And Cameron said that the queen purred we can talk about that now ``

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and we can talk about that now. It never ceases to amaze me how senior

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politicians can be in front of the camera and say things that they

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don't want us to hear. A number of people in the past to did the same

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thing, at George W. Bush did it famously and Gordon Brown was caught

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saying ridiculous things with the microphone still pinned to his

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lapel... How can David Cameron be so stupid as to do it? Also this idea

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of the queen purring... It is quite a weird thing to think about. Were

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you enchanted by this, Eleanor? It was quite naughty that he let it

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slip. He wasn't supposed to say it. And also this idea about him being

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so filled with relief and calling up the Queen with the good news. I

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think you are also enjoying the cartoon that went alongside it. I

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am. Whenever her views are made public in any way shape or form,

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they get it right every time. The caption says, it is Prince Philip on

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the line for you, he is not purring.

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That's it for The Papers this hour. Thank you Eleanor Mills, Columnist

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and Editorial Director of The Sunday Times, and the political

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commentator, Lance Price. Stay with us on BBC News. We will have more on

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the plight of families pouring over the border from Syria to Turkey.

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