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pressure Josey Mourinho's Chelsea side were playing coming off the


back of a fifth defeat of the season. That is all coming up in


Sportsday after The Papers. A Warm Welcome To Our Look Ahead To The


Papers Tomorrow Morning. Our guests joining me tonight are


France 24 journalist Benedicte Paviot and the author and sports


writer for the Times, Matthew Syed. Many


of the front pages are already in. The natural leads with that story of


the mother and her son who are recovering after the boat accident


in Canada. The Daily Telegraph here. The Financial Times says the


personal details of more than 600,000 customers were stolen from


British companies last year. I am highlighting the weaknesses -- the


highlighting the weaknesses in the wake of the TalkTalk incident. The


cap at times, access the paper has been given to the GCHQ headquarters


in Cheltenham. The express leads with new research


that suggests cutting out sugar can boost your health in only ten days.


And the Independent features a picture from this year 's Army


photographic competition. Let's kick off, then. The big story, as


opposed, Benedicte, has been this defeat for the Government in the


House of Lords and all sorts of constitutional questions that that


raises, really, about whether the Lords should be able to overturn


something the Commons, the elected chamber, agreed on. The Telegraph is


talking about William fix coming up -- William Hague coming up with a


quick fix to stop that happening again. The war, really, between the


Government and the House of Lords. As you say, one is elected and we


had an election and know there is a majority Conservative Government,


and we have had certainly a war of declarations and counter


declarations today. Almost another defeat this evening for the


Government, narrowly avoided. Really, it comes down to the fact


that there has been a convention, a parliamentary act, 104 years ago,


and that this is not being respected. The House of Lords is a


reviewing chamber. It is not supposed to be a blocking chamber,


and what the Conservatives are clearly accusing the House of Lords


of doing is that they are acting as a blocking chamber and this needs to


be really changed as quickly as possible. It is interesting William


Hague did not vote last night because there are so many lords who


need to take their seats that he is scheduled for the end of November so


that is one he did not take part in. That would have been an extra vote


as we know what way that would have gone. Matthew, the problem for the


Government is that they are arguably using the wrong tactics to get this


through the Lords. Because it was not a financial measure, the Lords


were able to block it. If it had been a financial one they would not


have been able to. This is about the constitution and even if you are


against these savage cuts to working tax credits which I have to say I am


it is ludicrous for unelected peers and bishops to be rejecting a


central plate of the Government. Why have the second chamber at all in


that case? It should be a revising chamber. It should not be seeing no


altogether. There is something central to the Tory picture. They


would argue they are a revising it but are just taking it back to the


Commons for George Osborne to have another say. -- another thing. The


knot. They are trying to rejected. The deep irony, -- the Ahronot. The


deep irony is this could benefit the Conservatives. They said they are in


support of hard-working families, that catchphrase. I think this is


shaping up into another poll tax and this, the fact the Lords have


rejected it, it gives George Osborne another chance to soften the blow,


change the bill, but say this is not a U-turn, the Lords have forced me


to do it. Let's look at the Guardian. George Osborne ready to


change pact on tax credits. He said he was in listening mode, I think it


was, so it seems he was kind of bracing himself for a bit of a


softening anyway. Know his hand has been forced. There is even some talk


about some pressure on Mr Cameron to sack the Conservative Leader of the


House of Lords. I do not know if that will happen. Here,


interestingly, in the Guardian, they are saying George Osborne wants to


lessen the impact of these tax credit cuts possibly by lowering the


target of delivering ?10 billion surplus by 2019, 2020. I would think


there are some lights burning this evening in the Treasury because


apart from the political showdown and the embarrassment of this


defeat, whether a constitutional crisis, the implications etc, there


is a lot of bad blood and as Matthew was saying this is an elected


Government being stopped from... Although, Matthew, this was not


something explicitly in the Conservative Party manifesto. That


is the argument. If you are speaking about democratic procedure, if you


like. It was not just not in the manifesto, but the Prime Minister


said, I think on the BBC, we have no plans whatever to register working


familiess' tax credit. But George Osborne today. And the timing was


interesting that he was in answering questions the morning after the


night before, but the fact of the matter is he said the definition was


known. They knew what direction the Government was travelling in, the


Conservative Government. It was a change after the election. There is


no doubt they want to get into surplus so I think there are some


argument in favour of that. It was a very large surplus. I think that is


a smart move. Saying we will reverse our decisions on inheritance tax,


they are... They have not been paying people enough. We will move


on to the FT. We had the whole TalkTalk cyber attack. The FT said


600,000 UK customers' data has been stolen, and put up for sale on the


dark web, this underworld Internet, all scary stuff. It sounds terribly


sinister, doesn't it? This number of 600,000 identities have not been


stolen from companies in the UK alone in 2014. That came from the


information security company and at the beginning when I saw that I was


slightly suspicious, I have to say, because they are trying to sell


products that protect security but this number has actually been backed


by Government officials. The overall number of people whose identities


were hacked worldwide in 2014, 300 50 million. What worries me is that


big companies you trust with your personal details are not


sufficiently savvy to protect that from often youthful people -- 350


million. Youthful people who seem to understand this particular area of


the dark web better than security experts, but what about others?


Firewalls, downloading all of this. I think it is difficult for people


to keep up and even if you do the new product will be circumvented by


sophisticated hackers, this is an arms race. Let's move on to the


Times. Reviewing what David Cameron will be saying. I think he is going


to Iceland, is it? He is speaking about the European union and is


explicitly, you know, talking about the cost to Britain if we were to


leave the EU. It will cost money and influence. It will. What is


interesting is that although David Cameron has said he would not give


anyone a running commentary and we know, we expect more detail in


November, and that has been requested by other EU countries, to


really see which particular areas, what are the specific demands of the


Conservative Government, this Norway and Switzerland example has always


been given but the fact of the matter is they are not at the table


making decisions. They have to abide by that and they actually have to


take on, for example, more migrants. So the people who think, Ukip, who


think this will be the answer to all kinds of problems, it is


interesting, I think, to see the Prime Minister who will be


positioning himself coming out now, starting to see... He is starting


his campaign to stay in. Yes, but Downing Street are also saying, just


a moment, a spokesperson, saying that if what is obtained in this


renegotiation is not enough he still reserves the right to recommend for


Britain to leave the EU. I do not know how the Prime Minister's blood


pressure is but if he reads the Daily Express cutting out sugar is


the quickest way to lower it. Matthew, are you a sugar consumer? I


have some sugar... You have to cut it out. But it is then processed


foods, coffee, or most everywhere -- not just in copy but although the


place. This is part of a wider issue, I think. Every day, reading,


particularly in the Express, it has to be said, health stories, and they


change every so often -- change so often. It is so difficult to assess


because it goes from 0.01520.018 if you have a bacon sandwich each week.


-- zero .015 20.018. We are all going to die. Are you sure? I think


we often become too scared about sugar. These are scary stories. The


solution is don't eat and that is a no no. I am glad you have sugar in


your latte because that is what I have. Just the one? Yes. The Daily


Telegraph speaking about rows, and saying men should get angry to win a


robot women should keep their cool. That sounds rather sexist, isn't


it? That is one conclusion. I think that is just plain wrong. Don't


think anybody wins an argument by either raising their voice or by


shouting. Persuasion is by far the better way to go. Let's put this to


the test. I think you're absolutely wrong.


That wasn't shouting. You report on conflicts but you don't like


confrontation? Yes, that's the best way. Thank you very much indeed


Benedicte and Matthew. We will see you again at half past 11. Thank you


for the time being. We will be back at 11pm for all the top stories


making the news tomorrow. Stay with us on BBC News tonight. At 11 we


will look at the Government review into those powers of the House of


Lords we were speaking about, and it accusations from Downing Street that


the peers overreached themselves last night when they defeated those


proposals on tax credits. Coming up next on BBC News, it is time for


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