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pressure Josey Mourinho's Chelsea side were playing coming off the

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back of a fifth defeat of the season. That is all coming up in

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Sportsday after The Papers. A Warm Welcome To Our Look Ahead To The

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Papers Tomorrow Morning. Our guests joining me tonight are

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France 24 journalist Benedicte Paviot and the author and sports

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writer for the Times, Matthew Syed. Many

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of the front pages are already in. The natural leads with that story of

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the mother and her son who are recovering after the boat accident

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in Canada. The Daily Telegraph here. The Financial Times says the

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personal details of more than 600,000 customers were stolen from

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British companies last year. I am highlighting the weaknesses -- the

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highlighting the weaknesses in the wake of the TalkTalk incident. The

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cap at times, access the paper has been given to the GCHQ headquarters

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in Cheltenham. The express leads with new research

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that suggests cutting out sugar can boost your health in only ten days.

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And the Independent features a picture from this year 's Army

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photographic competition. Let's kick off, then. The big story, as

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opposed, Benedicte, has been this defeat for the Government in the

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House of Lords and all sorts of constitutional questions that that

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raises, really, about whether the Lords should be able to overturn

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something the Commons, the elected chamber, agreed on. The Telegraph is

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talking about William fix coming up -- William Hague coming up with a

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quick fix to stop that happening again. The war, really, between the

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Government and the House of Lords. As you say, one is elected and we

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had an election and know there is a majority Conservative Government,

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and we have had certainly a war of declarations and counter

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declarations today. Almost another defeat this evening for the

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Government, narrowly avoided. Really, it comes down to the fact

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that there has been a convention, a parliamentary act, 104 years ago,

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and that this is not being respected. The House of Lords is a

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reviewing chamber. It is not supposed to be a blocking chamber,

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and what the Conservatives are clearly accusing the House of Lords

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of doing is that they are acting as a blocking chamber and this needs to

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be really changed as quickly as possible. It is interesting William

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Hague did not vote last night because there are so many lords who

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need to take their seats that he is scheduled for the end of November so

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that is one he did not take part in. That would have been an extra vote

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as we know what way that would have gone. Matthew, the problem for the

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Government is that they are arguably using the wrong tactics to get this

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through the Lords. Because it was not a financial measure, the Lords

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were able to block it. If it had been a financial one they would not

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have been able to. This is about the constitution and even if you are

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against these savage cuts to working tax credits which I have to say I am

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it is ludicrous for unelected peers and bishops to be rejecting a

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central plate of the Government. Why have the second chamber at all in

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that case? It should be a revising chamber. It should not be seeing no

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altogether. There is something central to the Tory picture. They

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would argue they are a revising it but are just taking it back to the

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Commons for George Osborne to have another say. -- another thing. The

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knot. They are trying to rejected. The deep irony, -- the Ahronot. The

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deep irony is this could benefit the Conservatives. They said they are in

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support of hard-working families, that catchphrase. I think this is

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shaping up into another poll tax and this, the fact the Lords have

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rejected it, it gives George Osborne another chance to soften the blow,

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change the bill, but say this is not a U-turn, the Lords have forced me

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to do it. Let's look at the Guardian. George Osborne ready to

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change pact on tax credits. He said he was in listening mode, I think it

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was, so it seems he was kind of bracing himself for a bit of a

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softening anyway. Know his hand has been forced. There is even some talk

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about some pressure on Mr Cameron to sack the Conservative Leader of the

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House of Lords. I do not know if that will happen. Here,

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interestingly, in the Guardian, they are saying George Osborne wants to

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lessen the impact of these tax credit cuts possibly by lowering the

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target of delivering ?10 billion surplus by 2019, 2020. I would think

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there are some lights burning this evening in the Treasury because

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apart from the political showdown and the embarrassment of this

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defeat, whether a constitutional crisis, the implications etc, there

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is a lot of bad blood and as Matthew was saying this is an elected

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Government being stopped from... Although, Matthew, this was not

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something explicitly in the Conservative Party manifesto. That

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is the argument. If you are speaking about democratic procedure, if you

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like. It was not just not in the manifesto, but the Prime Minister

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said, I think on the BBC, we have no plans whatever to register working

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familiess' tax credit. But George Osborne today. And the timing was

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interesting that he was in answering questions the morning after the

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night before, but the fact of the matter is he said the definition was

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known. They knew what direction the Government was travelling in, the

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Conservative Government. It was a change after the election. There is

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no doubt they want to get into surplus so I think there are some

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argument in favour of that. It was a very large surplus. I think that is

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a smart move. Saying we will reverse our decisions on inheritance tax,

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they are... They have not been paying people enough. We will move

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on to the FT. We had the whole TalkTalk cyber attack. The FT said

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600,000 UK customers' data has been stolen, and put up for sale on the

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dark web, this underworld Internet, all scary stuff. It sounds terribly

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sinister, doesn't it? This number of 600,000 identities have not been

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stolen from companies in the UK alone in 2014. That came from the

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information security company and at the beginning when I saw that I was

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slightly suspicious, I have to say, because they are trying to sell

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products that protect security but this number has actually been backed

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by Government officials. The overall number of people whose identities

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were hacked worldwide in 2014, 300 50 million. What worries me is that

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big companies you trust with your personal details are not

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sufficiently savvy to protect that from often youthful people -- 350

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million. Youthful people who seem to understand this particular area of

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the dark web better than security experts, but what about others?

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Firewalls, downloading all of this. I think it is difficult for people

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to keep up and even if you do the new product will be circumvented by

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sophisticated hackers, this is an arms race. Let's move on to the

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Times. Reviewing what David Cameron will be saying. I think he is going

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to Iceland, is it? He is speaking about the European union and is

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explicitly, you know, talking about the cost to Britain if we were to

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leave the EU. It will cost money and influence. It will. What is

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interesting is that although David Cameron has said he would not give

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anyone a running commentary and we know, we expect more detail in

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November, and that has been requested by other EU countries, to

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really see which particular areas, what are the specific demands of the

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Conservative Government, this Norway and Switzerland example has always

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been given but the fact of the matter is they are not at the table

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making decisions. They have to abide by that and they actually have to

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take on, for example, more migrants. So the people who think, Ukip, who

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think this will be the answer to all kinds of problems, it is

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interesting, I think, to see the Prime Minister who will be

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positioning himself coming out now, starting to see... He is starting

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his campaign to stay in. Yes, but Downing Street are also saying, just

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a moment, a spokesperson, saying that if what is obtained in this

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renegotiation is not enough he still reserves the right to recommend for

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Britain to leave the EU. I do not know how the Prime Minister's blood

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pressure is but if he reads the Daily Express cutting out sugar is

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the quickest way to lower it. Matthew, are you a sugar consumer? I

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have some sugar... You have to cut it out. But it is then processed

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foods, coffee, or most everywhere -- not just in copy but although the

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place. This is part of a wider issue, I think. Every day, reading,

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particularly in the Express, it has to be said, health stories, and they

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change every so often -- change so often. It is so difficult to assess

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because it goes from 0.01520.018 if you have a bacon sandwich each week.

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-- zero .015 20.018. We are all going to die. Are you sure? I think

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we often become too scared about sugar. These are scary stories. The

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solution is don't eat and that is a no no. I am glad you have sugar in

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your latte because that is what I have. Just the one? Yes. The Daily

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Telegraph speaking about rows, and saying men should get angry to win a

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robot women should keep their cool. That sounds rather sexist, isn't

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it? That is one conclusion. I think that is just plain wrong. Don't

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think anybody wins an argument by either raising their voice or by

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shouting. Persuasion is by far the better way to go. Let's put this to

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the test. I think you're absolutely wrong.

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That wasn't shouting. You report on conflicts but you don't like

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confrontation? Yes, that's the best way. Thank you very much indeed

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Benedicte and Matthew. We will see you again at half past 11. Thank you

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for the time being. We will be back at 11pm for all the top stories

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making the news tomorrow. Stay with us on BBC News tonight. At 11 we

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will look at the Government review into those powers of the House of

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Lords we were speaking about, and it accusations from Downing Street that

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the peers overreached themselves last night when they defeated those

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proposals on tax credits. Coming up next on BBC News, it is time for

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