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gymnastics championships in Sportsday in 15 minutes after the

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papers. -- World Gymnastics Championships.

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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers

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With me are the Daily Mirror columnist, Susie Boniface,

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and the executive editor of the Huffington Post, James Martin.

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The Independent has a story that police have used powers

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under the Terrorism Act to seize the laptop of a BBC Newsnight

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journalist who's been investigating Western born Jihadists.

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The Financial Times looks at a review calling for a third

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of all board seats at Britain's biggest companies to be held

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The Metro says job advisers are to be based in food banks

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across the country after the idea was tried out in Manchester.

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The Telegraph is one of several front pages to show a picture of

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Prince Harry laughing with Michelle Obama at the end of a basketball

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Ministers ignored repeated warnings on the finances of the charity

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Kids Company according to the Guardian's front page.

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The Times leads on revelations by Sepp Blatter that England's bid

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to host the football World Cup in 2018 was always doomed because

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of a secret deal to award the tournament to Russia.

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And the Express says the police have run out of clues as they scale back

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And the Daily Mail's front page shows a crowd of marines who rallied

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outside Parliament demanding a retrial for a Royal Marine who

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was convicted of murdering a wounded Afghan insurgent.

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So, many papers reporting on this boy who was stabbed to death in

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school. The Daily Star pretty much devoting its whole front page to it.

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It is always shocking, isn't it? You've got to remember how rare it

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is in this country. Although we've had lots of high-profile crimes

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committed in schools, sometimes why by pupils, it is a rare occurrence,

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compared with America where students are killed quite often. We have to

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remember that a good thing. And also, our response to this is a lot

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more in format and measured as well. If there had been a shooting in

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America they would be people calling for all people in school, parents,

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teachers and students, all to be armed with guns -- more informed.

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Here is someone who has been tragically stabbed in school. No one

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is yet suggesting knife scanners and pat downs. We don't know what

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happened and no one is going to suggest everyone gets a nice. They

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were ten years ago with the stabbing ten years ago. The father is still

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campaigning for that. This is what a lot of parents who have lost

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teenagers to knife crime will start saying in the next few hours. They

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will speak to the papers and say that we have to do more to stop

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teenagers carrying weapons. S absolutely and the head of police

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got it right when he used the words shocking and extraordinaire, because

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it is in Britain. Especially in Aberdeen. -- absolutely. It's not

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uncommon for it to happen in the US. It lays bare how silly the argument

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is that the best way of getting crime is to arm more people. As you

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say, if this happened in the states, and it was a gun, people

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would say, we need more guns. This response in the UK is much more

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measured. We are rightfully not saying we need security officers

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armed with knives. You are right about the idea about airport

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scanners. It comes up time and again. This is a shocking and

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extraordinary incident, as the local police chief says. To try to put in

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an airport scanner in every school. In that is so shocking and

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extraordinary, it is not financially feasible. There are lots of ways,

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unfortunately, to kill someone if you want to. It seems to be a

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penknife in this case. You can use implements knocking around school

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quite easily. You can't stop every tragedy. We don't know the full

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details around this stabbing incident, but what we know is that

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teenagers carry knives, sometimes without wanting to abuse them. I

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carry a knife, I have a penknife in my handbag at all times because it

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has a handy screwdriver and tweezers. She was just using it.

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That is why you are carrying it. Technically it is an offensive

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weapon. A policeman could arrest me. In the US, it is undoubtedly a

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problem, with gun crime there, and I wouldn't argue that people in the UK

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don't think we have a knife crime problem. I would rather knife crime

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than gun crime. You can't really have collateral damage with a nice.

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A lot of officers will say the hardest thing to find is a knife

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rather than a gun. I fancy my chances against a knife rather than

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a gun. We can try it out later, I've got one in my handbag. Ministers

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ignored repeated warnings on Kids Company. We've heard it before. More

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detailed in the Guardian though. Reports that Labour and conservative

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ministers have given Kids Company ?50 million over years despite

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warnings to be cautious. They seemed to have intervened to overrule

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officials when they've raised problems and there was at no point a

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competitive process to apply for the grants, which happens with every

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other charity. If the government doesn't demand a charity that gets

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public money behaves in a responsible manner, then it is

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expected that charity will do whatever it likes. The government

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got what it asked for. It wasn't applying the rules it does for other

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charities, why was this one special? It gives credence to what everybody

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was saying, especially when it was found out that Kids Company had

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received ?3 million in five days before it was declared bankrupt,

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that this organisation had a spell on the likes of David Cameron. Not

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because they were doing a great job? Absolutely, and don't forget

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the victims are those that were using the services and they are not

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getting help, what has happened to them? These are the forgotten

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victims in this incident, which has essentially become a political row.

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They are collateral damage and we shouldn't forget that. The Daily

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Express dedicate his page to the development of lack of development I

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suppose regarding Madeleine McCann. Police have run out of clues -- or

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lack of. This is a story about the fact that the Met Police are cutting

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down the amount of officers involved. Extraordinary numbers, ?11

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million had been spent on this investigation, you are talking about

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1300 statements that have been taken, 1000 recorded exhibits, 9000

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interviews, 60 sightings. Eight years later, not a single arrest.

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They have been quite a few arrest but no charges. You can understand

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why... No Madeleine. That is the important thing. I covered the story

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when she disappeared in 2007. I was therefore brief while. If she had

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been found, wherever she might be now, if she is alive, she would be

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11, on the cusp of adolescence, turning into a young woman. Whenever

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she comes up in public discussion, especially on social media, a lot of

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people criticise the parents. If anyone is thinking about that, I

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would like them to stop and think how it must feel to have your child

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disappear into a currently thin air at the age of three, and eight years

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later find the police haven't run out of clues, they have less to look

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at, but it is being downgraded. She would be 11 years old. We still

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don't have any evidence, no hair, no trace, no sighting, and that must be

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devastating for anyone involved. Interesting to note, the spokesman

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still saying Kate and Gerry are not giving up. There has been another 2

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million given to the investigation for the officers to continue. It

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isn't coming out of the net's budget. They have some clues but I

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think we are waiting for aid miracle -- Met's budget. Moving onto the

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Daily Telegraph, MI5 on hacking. Tell us more about this. I am not

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surprised. You know... Why would you be? We've been told this has

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happened. Absolutely. Two aspects to this, planning mass attacks on

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Britain. I am not surprised. MI5 is hacking ISIS and people associated

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with ISIS. Yes, it's not only the bad guys that do hacking. Good guys

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hack as well. Wouldn't you expect security services, with the huge

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numbers, and it is interesting that four fifths of MI5's agency numbers

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are working on terrorism related issues. You would expect that these

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guides asked trained in terms of technical surveillance, going into

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the depths of computers -- guys. As we might see in the Independent, if

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they are trying to access journalists' computers, surely they

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are looking at the computers and data from a terrorist as well. We

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are not just looking at well-organised, large cells or large

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groups of people, it can be an individual who has been radicalised

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and born into the ideology. That is the central threat of this current

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kind of terrorism we've got. Unlike the IRA, from the 70s and 80s, there

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isn't an overarching organisation, there isn't a structure, which you

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can infiltrate. These are small cells of radicalised people often

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sent off to invent something by themselves. What's interesting is

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Andrew Parker is director of the security services and he is saying

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there is more instruction coming from Islamic State from Syria,

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people in contact with people here. There is perhaps more they structure

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developing and therefore it is harder to track down. If they were

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not hacking computers and mobile phones terrorists, I want to know

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what the hell we were spending our money on, to be honest. Does it give

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police the right to do what the Independent reports on the front

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page, police using laws to confiscate the laptop of a Newsnight

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producer who has been in in touch with terrorist in the UK stock -- in

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the UK. Are we doing policing right that we have to seize the computer

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of a journalist who is doing his job to get the intelligence useful to

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security. In the public interest. Absolutely. A source who is not a

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confidential source. These people have gone to fight for ISIS are not

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exactly in deep cover. These people are surfacing in social media, they

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are on Twitter, SnapChat, WhatsApp. Should we go to the extent where we

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are seizing the laptops of journalistic? This is lazy police

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work, asking the BBC Two research for them when it is so easy to find.

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We should be glad they are not hacking the journalists' computers

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from far -- BBC to research. If you are speaking to a jihadist plotting

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attacks against the UK, to be honest, who is using Newsnight for

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propaganda purposes. He has already appeared. He has done that to

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provoke fear and terror. You think it is a message? To be honest, if I

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was that journalist, to save my laptop, which has information about

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thousands of other stories I might want to access, I think in the

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interest of my journalism it would be better to try to keep hold of a

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laptop. This person is plainly a criminal, plainly not operating in

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anybody's best interest but his own and the Islamic State, and is not a

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confidential source, and he is easy to track down, I would give MI5 the

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information. I wouldn't wait for them to get a warrant. It would be

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easier to give them the info. As the BBC points out, the editor of

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Newsnight, we wouldn't stand in the way of a police investigation but we

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wouldn't do the work of the police. There is a line that shouldn't be

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crossed. And you have the feeling that he was going through the

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motion. The police had to apply for a warrant to get access to the

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computer for a court order. That is fine. Ian Katz isn't going to say

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no. You can't stand on principles at all times. There are occasions when

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journalists have info that would help the police. Especially if there

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is a victim. It is not unusual for the police to contact journalists

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and ask for help. Usually we did it because it is not a problem. In this

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instance they stood on a principle and I think, personally, because

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they've taken away a laptop with more information on it, there is no

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reason not to have given him up earlier. Great publicity for

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Newsnight and even better for the fantastic young journalist.

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Fantastic producer. The Times newspaper, well, when you read the

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headline, secret Fifa deal ruined World Cup bid. Not too many would be

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surprised by the headline. Who is it coming from? Sepp Blatter. He has

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started throwing people under the bus. He is facing two criminal

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investigations on two consonants. He is stepping down as the head of

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Fifa, which he has been in charge of Fifa, which he has been in charge

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for he is tucking his cohort and his heir apparent, Michel Platini, off

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the back of a coach. Although they had agreed to give the World Cup to

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rush out and then America, it was screwed up because Platini went for

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lunch with Sarkozy who had been at lunch with guitar and they gave it

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to Qatar instead. The corruption that Sepp Blatter may or may not

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have been in charge of didn't work well because Nicolas Sarkozy could

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laugh it up -- Qatar. Is that the best type of corruption, the fact

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that it didn't work! Yeah! It doesn't mean that if I talk about

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taking over the BBC that it will happen. Britain spent ?21 million

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when all we had to do was take Nicolas Sarkozy to lunch, so they

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should be an audit on what we spend the money on. And more demands to

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have the money paid back. Let's just finished the papers tonight with the

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peak of Prince Harry and Michelle Obama in Virginia, in the US to

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promote the Invictus Games for injured soldiers, to be held next

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year in Florida. Clearly getting on and clearly very happy with his work

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as well. And doing a good job, which is rare for a royal! And looking

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very happy too. Enjoying what he is doing. Thank you for taking us

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through the papers. We had a lot of stories to cover. We will be back

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the same time tomorrow. Coming up next on BBC News, all of the latest

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sport in Sportsday. Our headlines tonight:

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Manchester United are knocked out They're beaten on penalties

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by Championship side Middlesbrough

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