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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers


With me are the Daily Mirror columnist, Susie Boniface,


and the executive editor of the Huffington Post, James Martin.


The Independent has a story that police have used powers


under the Terrorism Act to seize the laptop of a BBC Newsnight


journalist who's been investigating Western born Jihadists.


The Financial Times looks at a review calling for a third


of all board seats at Britain's biggest companies to be held


The Metro says job advisers are to be based in food banks


across the country after the idea was tried out in Manchester.


The Telegraph is one of several front pages to show a picture of


Prince Harry laughing with Michelle Obama at the end of a basketball


Ministers ignored repeated warnings on the finances of the charity


Kids Company according to the Guardian's front page.


The Times leads on revelations by Sepp Blatter that England's bid


to host the football World Cup in 2018 was always doomed because


of a secret deal to award the tournament to Russia.


And the Express says the police have run out of clues as they scale back


And the Daily Mail's front page shows a crowd of marines who rallied


outside Parliament demanding a retrial for a Royal Marine who


was convicted of murdering a wounded Afghan insurgent.


So, many papers reporting on this boy who was stabbed to death in


school. The Daily Star pretty much devoting its whole front page to it.


It is always shocking, isn't it? You've got to remember how rare it


is in this country. Although we've had lots of high-profile crimes


committed in schools, sometimes why by pupils, it is a rare occurrence,


compared with America where students are killed quite often. We have to


remember that a good thing. And also, our response to this is a lot


more in format and measured as well. If there had been a shooting in


America they would be people calling for all people in school, parents,


teachers and students, all to be armed with guns -- more informed.


Here is someone who has been tragically stabbed in school. No one


is yet suggesting knife scanners and pat downs. We don't know what


happened and no one is going to suggest everyone gets a nice. They


were ten years ago with the stabbing ten years ago. The father is still


campaigning for that. This is what a lot of parents who have lost


teenagers to knife crime will start saying in the next few hours. They


will speak to the papers and say that we have to do more to stop


teenagers carrying weapons. S absolutely and the head of police


got it right when he used the words shocking and extraordinaire, because


it is in Britain. Especially in Aberdeen. -- absolutely. It's not


uncommon for it to happen in the US. It lays bare how silly the argument


is that the best way of getting crime is to arm more people. As you


say, if this happened in the states, and it was a gun, people


would say, we need more guns. This response in the UK is much more


measured. We are rightfully not saying we need security officers


armed with knives. You are right about the idea about airport


scanners. It comes up time and again. This is a shocking and


extraordinary incident, as the local police chief says. To try to put in


an airport scanner in every school. In that is so shocking and


extraordinary, it is not financially feasible. There are lots of ways,


unfortunately, to kill someone if you want to. It seems to be a


penknife in this case. You can use implements knocking around school


quite easily. You can't stop every tragedy. We don't know the full


details around this stabbing incident, but what we know is that


teenagers carry knives, sometimes without wanting to abuse them. I


carry a knife, I have a penknife in my handbag at all times because it


has a handy screwdriver and tweezers. She was just using it.


That is why you are carrying it. Technically it is an offensive


weapon. A policeman could arrest me. In the US, it is undoubtedly a


problem, with gun crime there, and I wouldn't argue that people in the UK


don't think we have a knife crime problem. I would rather knife crime


than gun crime. You can't really have collateral damage with a nice.


A lot of officers will say the hardest thing to find is a knife


rather than a gun. I fancy my chances against a knife rather than


a gun. We can try it out later, I've got one in my handbag. Ministers


ignored repeated warnings on Kids Company. We've heard it before. More


detailed in the Guardian though. Reports that Labour and conservative


ministers have given Kids Company ?50 million over years despite


warnings to be cautious. They seemed to have intervened to overrule


officials when they've raised problems and there was at no point a


competitive process to apply for the grants, which happens with every


other charity. If the government doesn't demand a charity that gets


public money behaves in a responsible manner, then it is


expected that charity will do whatever it likes. The government


got what it asked for. It wasn't applying the rules it does for other


charities, why was this one special? It gives credence to what everybody


was saying, especially when it was found out that Kids Company had


received ?3 million in five days before it was declared bankrupt,


that this organisation had a spell on the likes of David Cameron. Not


because they were doing a great job? Absolutely, and don't forget


the victims are those that were using the services and they are not


getting help, what has happened to them? These are the forgotten


victims in this incident, which has essentially become a political row.


They are collateral damage and we shouldn't forget that. The Daily


Express dedicate his page to the development of lack of development I


suppose regarding Madeleine McCann. Police have run out of clues -- or


lack of. This is a story about the fact that the Met Police are cutting


down the amount of officers involved. Extraordinary numbers, ?11


million had been spent on this investigation, you are talking about


1300 statements that have been taken, 1000 recorded exhibits, 9000


interviews, 60 sightings. Eight years later, not a single arrest.


They have been quite a few arrest but no charges. You can understand


why... No Madeleine. That is the important thing. I covered the story


when she disappeared in 2007. I was therefore brief while. If she had


been found, wherever she might be now, if she is alive, she would be


11, on the cusp of adolescence, turning into a young woman. Whenever


she comes up in public discussion, especially on social media, a lot of


people criticise the parents. If anyone is thinking about that, I


would like them to stop and think how it must feel to have your child


disappear into a currently thin air at the age of three, and eight years


later find the police haven't run out of clues, they have less to look


at, but it is being downgraded. She would be 11 years old. We still


don't have any evidence, no hair, no trace, no sighting, and that must be


devastating for anyone involved. Interesting to note, the spokesman


still saying Kate and Gerry are not giving up. There has been another 2


million given to the investigation for the officers to continue. It


isn't coming out of the net's budget. They have some clues but I


think we are waiting for aid miracle -- Met's budget. Moving onto the


Daily Telegraph, MI5 on hacking. Tell us more about this. I am not


surprised. You know... Why would you be? We've been told this has


happened. Absolutely. Two aspects to this, planning mass attacks on


Britain. I am not surprised. MI5 is hacking ISIS and people associated


with ISIS. Yes, it's not only the bad guys that do hacking. Good guys


hack as well. Wouldn't you expect security services, with the huge


numbers, and it is interesting that four fifths of MI5's agency numbers


are working on terrorism related issues. You would expect that these


guides asked trained in terms of technical surveillance, going into


the depths of computers -- guys. As we might see in the Independent, if


they are trying to access journalists' computers, surely they


are looking at the computers and data from a terrorist as well. We


are not just looking at well-organised, large cells or large


groups of people, it can be an individual who has been radicalised


and born into the ideology. That is the central threat of this current


kind of terrorism we've got. Unlike the IRA, from the 70s and 80s, there


isn't an overarching organisation, there isn't a structure, which you


can infiltrate. These are small cells of radicalised people often


sent off to invent something by themselves. What's interesting is


Andrew Parker is director of the security services and he is saying


there is more instruction coming from Islamic State from Syria,


people in contact with people here. There is perhaps more they structure


developing and therefore it is harder to track down. If they were


not hacking computers and mobile phones terrorists, I want to know


what the hell we were spending our money on, to be honest. Does it give


police the right to do what the Independent reports on the front


page, police using laws to confiscate the laptop of a Newsnight


producer who has been in in touch with terrorist in the UK stock -- in


the UK. Are we doing policing right that we have to seize the computer


of a journalist who is doing his job to get the intelligence useful to


security. In the public interest. Absolutely. A source who is not a


confidential source. These people have gone to fight for ISIS are not


exactly in deep cover. These people are surfacing in social media, they


are on Twitter, SnapChat, WhatsApp. Should we go to the extent where we


are seizing the laptops of journalistic? This is lazy police


work, asking the BBC Two research for them when it is so easy to find.


We should be glad they are not hacking the journalists' computers


from far -- BBC to research. If you are speaking to a jihadist plotting


attacks against the UK, to be honest, who is using Newsnight for


propaganda purposes. He has already appeared. He has done that to


provoke fear and terror. You think it is a message? To be honest, if I


was that journalist, to save my laptop, which has information about


thousands of other stories I might want to access, I think in the


interest of my journalism it would be better to try to keep hold of a


laptop. This person is plainly a criminal, plainly not operating in


anybody's best interest but his own and the Islamic State, and is not a


confidential source, and he is easy to track down, I would give MI5 the


information. I wouldn't wait for them to get a warrant. It would be


easier to give them the info. As the BBC points out, the editor of


Newsnight, we wouldn't stand in the way of a police investigation but we


wouldn't do the work of the police. There is a line that shouldn't be


crossed. And you have the feeling that he was going through the


motion. The police had to apply for a warrant to get access to the


computer for a court order. That is fine. Ian Katz isn't going to say


no. You can't stand on principles at all times. There are occasions when


journalists have info that would help the police. Especially if there


is a victim. It is not unusual for the police to contact journalists


and ask for help. Usually we did it because it is not a problem. In this


instance they stood on a principle and I think, personally, because


they've taken away a laptop with more information on it, there is no


reason not to have given him up earlier. Great publicity for


Newsnight and even better for the fantastic young journalist.


Fantastic producer. The Times newspaper, well, when you read the


headline, secret Fifa deal ruined World Cup bid. Not too many would be


surprised by the headline. Who is it coming from? Sepp Blatter. He has


started throwing people under the bus. He is facing two criminal


investigations on two consonants. He is stepping down as the head of


Fifa, which he has been in charge of Fifa, which he has been in charge


for he is tucking his cohort and his heir apparent, Michel Platini, off


the back of a coach. Although they had agreed to give the World Cup to


rush out and then America, it was screwed up because Platini went for


lunch with Sarkozy who had been at lunch with guitar and they gave it


to Qatar instead. The corruption that Sepp Blatter may or may not


have been in charge of didn't work well because Nicolas Sarkozy could


laugh it up -- Qatar. Is that the best type of corruption, the fact


that it didn't work! Yeah! It doesn't mean that if I talk about


taking over the BBC that it will happen. Britain spent ?21 million


when all we had to do was take Nicolas Sarkozy to lunch, so they


should be an audit on what we spend the money on. And more demands to


have the money paid back. Let's just finished the papers tonight with the


peak of Prince Harry and Michelle Obama in Virginia, in the US to


promote the Invictus Games for injured soldiers, to be held next


year in Florida. Clearly getting on and clearly very happy with his work


as well. And doing a good job, which is rare for a royal! And looking


very happy too. Enjoying what he is doing. Thank you for taking us


through the papers. We had a lot of stories to cover. We will be back


the same time tomorrow. Coming up next on BBC News, all of the latest


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