31/10/2015 The Papers


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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers


With me are Randeep Ramesh, who's the Social Affairs Editor


at The Guardian and the Political Correspondent


The Sunday Times, which carries pictures of some of the 25 children


who died in the plane crash in Egypt's Sinai.


But it leads with the suggestion that ministers have U-turned


on tougher school tests in the face of teaching union opposition.


The Observer leads with the government's internet


surveillance plans - it says the Home Secretary has been forced


The Mail's focus is the Iraq War - it claims that ministers


at the time were told to 'burn' a top-level document questioning


The Sunday Telegraph carries a picture of Prince Harry


handing the Rugby World Cup to New Zealand's captain -


after his side's historic victory over Australia.


And public spending cuts is the top story for the Sunday Post


- it says that teachers have been forced to hand out bookies' pens


Let's begin with a story we have been leading on all day, and that is


the Russian airliner which came down in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, this is


the Sunday Times headline, did Isis down the plane? There are a number


of pictures of the children who are thought to have died. Over 100


bodies have been found. This question of whether there was any


terrorist or militant activity, the authorities seem to have batted that


away. It is the right question to ask is the first thing everyone


thinks, given the background, with Russia in Syria, bombing Isis


positions, but I always was under the oppression that the Americans


did not think they were doing enough to fight Isis -- I was always under


the impression. We don't know. The Sinai Peninsula has been the subject


of some action, but we will have to wait and see, the black box and the


debris which has been collected, that will have to be gone through,


and this is one of the awful reminders of the trouble that we


face in that part of the world. Other airlines have said they will


not fly over that Essbase, and there is some worry at the very least that


this has been a terrorist incident -- will not fly over that air space.


The fact that this is a Russian airliner, and the involvement of air


strikes we have seen against Isis targets by Russian aircraft, that


leads us to the statement that Isis are making, saying they are


responsible for this. It is an obvious question to ask, even though


the evidence is slim, but they are reporting tonight that there was no


SOS. Possibly that might suggest that what ever happened came as a


surprise to the people flying the plane. The Sunday Times has put the


pictures of the kids on the front, because we are increasingly led to


believe that the Russians are the bad guys. I was brought up on that


in the 70s and 80s, but here are little children, the little girl in


the main picture, holding a my Little pony toy, the same as my


daughter, and it reminds you that these people do not deserve to be


blown out of the sky, if that is what has happened. They have just


gone on holiday to a popular part of the world, and they were on their


way home. It makes them look more like us, which we can forget, were


not allowed to remember. That's right, the power of the narrative,


we saw that with the child that was washed up on the beaches of Greece,


that is a powerful moving picture, but I wonder if Isis's reach is such


that it can down a large airliner and long way away, as well, with a


missile, it seems far-fetched. The view seems to be from experts that


they do not have that power and capability because the plane was too


high. The thing with Isis, so much is not known, we can't get immediate


there to find out what is going on and we don't know what military


people are finding out in the area, and so we don't know what their


capability is or isn't. The Daily Mail has really gone to town with


this story. The Iraq war cover up. The article is about how ministers


were told they must destroy a document which showed the war was


illegal. This was a document which was written by the then Attorney


General Lord Goldsmith. This is a complex one. Straightforward


headline, though. The claim is by a senior number ten figure at the time


which could be a politician or civil servant, anybody. The claim is that


the Attorney General came forward with the legal advice, which we know


about, there was legal advice and then there was new legal advice a


couple of weeks later. It said the conflict to be challenged. And


apparently someone said, burn it. It sounds slightly amateur for what was


a very slick operation at number ten at the time. But not many people had


sight of that document in the first place. No, and the people that did,


maybe not the people that you expect, they gave it to Jeff home,


the Defence Secretary, and his name comes up a lot in this, and they let


him see it, but not Gordon Brown, even though Gordon Brown was very


much number two in that government. It seems Tony Blair was prepared to


sack Jeff Poon at the time, so why you would give him an initiative to


use against him, if he did sack him a few weeks later, it is not quite


ring... There is something missing. Something quite fishy, but no firm


facts really. The first legal advice the Attorney General gave was that


going to war in Iraq could be challenged because there is not a


legal basis for it through the United Nations and he changed his


mind about that a few days later. Yeah, the question for Chilcot,


which is being investigated, what provided the change? Why did anyone


decide that they did give one opinion and then ten days later give


another? The Mail on Sunday has decided that is because there was


pressure put on Goldsmith with the words "Burn it". The problem,


though, it is a bit better than rumour and innuendo, but not much.


They are in the difficult position, they can't name their source, and it


appears... Is it just one source? We know the difficulties we face with


that. Yeah, it seems to be, although they have spoken to Jeff home, and


he has denied that he brought up this Burn it message. He has not


many things in the article. His brilliant comment, is, I will not be


making any comment, and then he proceeds to make a comment. His


nickname was buff Hoon which I had not realised. You hope that this


will be explained to us in the Chilcot report, which has been


underway since 2009 and we are still not likely to see it until next


summer. Yes, I do not know how anyone can do still be essential


Chilcot in 2000 words, but I'm sure someone can. -- be essential. The


Observer newspaper, Theresa May forced to backtrack over law and


snooping over internet use. -- law on. These are plans to give the


securities services access to all of our internet browsing history, which


many people take issue with. Yes, this looks like a number ten spin


operation, it looks like it, certainly to liberty, who say that


it is just spin, the Lib Dem and Labour peers will probably knock


this back. There has been a pattern emerging. They are emboldened after


the tax credit cuts. They don't mind a bit of pink -- ping-pong. There


are many stories about this, the main one is in the Sunday Times,


they have gone on judges will be given the power to veto the approval


sought by ministers, and at the moment they can say, collect all the


information on this chap, he's dangerous, but they are saying, put


a judging. Veto for surveillance usually means using a rubber stamp


and what they want is for a judge to decide on this, and that is what


they are not getting from the government. It will not go away its


entirety? It looks like spin, it is one of those, we're going to look at


everything you do at the internet, but we are not bothered about


Facebook. It smacks of spin and this has been kicking around for a while,


the Lib Dems claim credit for downing this in the last government.


According to this is seems to have downed itself in this government.


Which is why it smacks of spin, the way it has been watered down


suddenly, but maybe not by that much. I'm always so shocked by how


cynical our paper reviewers are! Another Sunday Post. The article,


this is on the Scottish front page, exclusive, schoolkids lefty use


bookmakers pens as cuts bite -- left to use. This is a great Sunday Post


local authority funding, and how local authority funding, and how


that is affecting education funding, but my own Sunday Post has gone in


and the fact that the budgets have been cut so much that there is not


much cash for pens, basic stuff for kids. Just does. Jotter? That is


something you use for a shopping list. It is shocking, though, that


the teachers have got to get these from the bookmakers. The teachers


are running into the bookmakers? Scotland does have a gambling


legacy. Be careful with those national stereotypes. The Sunday


Post has done very well with this story. There is a serious story, the


Scottish election is next year, and the SNP government has got to be


judged on the things it has done, rather than just on the referendum,


and this is the start. Other papers are not doing this much, but this is


the Sunday Post, judging them on their record of cutting budgets to


local authorities and local authorities cutting education


budgets and that has to be highlighted. And now to the Sunday


Telegraph, this is the headline of the night. Why your cat is plotting


to kill you. Why is this? Apparently because they are cats, they are


related to African lions and Scottish Wildcats. Your cat is


genetically programmed to conspire. To be neurotic and aggressive, I


will second that, we have a cat which does that. It is an insane


story, cats cannot plot, they cannot think like that, but is also a great


story because everyone knows a slightly grumpy cat which they think


is plotting and they do look at you as if they are potting. It works on


two levels. The problem is, the size argument, but you have friends with


an enormous cat? Yes, Meme -- they might be watching, they have a cat


the size of a dog, but they cannot let it out because people might


steal it. Mine is, and if anyone would like to home her, they are


welcome. She is the cruellest thing. We are going to look at the Mail on


Sunday, and I can't work out how I'm supposed to approach this story.


Jerry and Murdoch, what a rugby union, we have a picture from the


Rugby World Cup final, Rupert Murdoch with his new squeeze, Jerry


Hall. What springs to mind? What attracted you to the


multi-billionaire Rupert Murdoch? In the words of Mrs Merton... Jerry


Hall can't be hard up, she had a modelling career and what ever Mick


Jagger has left her, but they are wearing very cheap scarves. These


are the scars that you get outside the ground for ?5, I would have


thought Rupert could have his own scarf made for him or and American


scar. He could have supported New Zealand. Yes, is the man who always


backs winner. Yes, but the underdog... Anyway, that is Rupert


Murdoch, Jerry, very happy. That is it for the papers this hour. My


guests will be back at 1134 another look at the stories making the


headlines tomorrow. Later on, we will have the headlines


at 11 o'clock. With more on the aeroplane crash in the Sinai


Peninsula. And now we have Reporters.


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