31/10/2015 The Papers


31/10/2015

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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers

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With me are Randeep Ramesh, who's the Social Affairs Editor

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at The Guardian and the Political Correspondent

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The Sunday Times, which carries pictures of some of the 25 children

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who died in the plane crash in Egypt's Sinai.

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But it leads with the suggestion that ministers have U-turned

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on tougher school tests in the face of teaching union opposition.

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The Observer leads with the government's internet

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surveillance plans - it says the Home Secretary has been forced

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The Mail's focus is the Iraq War - it claims that ministers

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at the time were told to 'burn' a top-level document questioning

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The Sunday Telegraph carries a picture of Prince Harry

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handing the Rugby World Cup to New Zealand's captain -

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after his side's historic victory over Australia.

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And public spending cuts is the top story for the Sunday Post

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- it says that teachers have been forced to hand out bookies' pens

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Let's begin with a story we have been leading on all day, and that is

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the Russian airliner which came down in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, this is

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the Sunday Times headline, did Isis down the plane? There are a number

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of pictures of the children who are thought to have died. Over 100

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bodies have been found. This question of whether there was any

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terrorist or militant activity, the authorities seem to have batted that

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away. It is the right question to ask is the first thing everyone

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thinks, given the background, with Russia in Syria, bombing Isis

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positions, but I always was under the oppression that the Americans

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did not think they were doing enough to fight Isis -- I was always under

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the impression. We don't know. The Sinai Peninsula has been the subject

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of some action, but we will have to wait and see, the black box and the

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debris which has been collected, that will have to be gone through,

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and this is one of the awful reminders of the trouble that we

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face in that part of the world. Other airlines have said they will

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not fly over that Essbase, and there is some worry at the very least that

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this has been a terrorist incident -- will not fly over that air space.

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The fact that this is a Russian airliner, and the involvement of air

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strikes we have seen against Isis targets by Russian aircraft, that

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leads us to the statement that Isis are making, saying they are

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responsible for this. It is an obvious question to ask, even though

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the evidence is slim, but they are reporting tonight that there was no

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SOS. Possibly that might suggest that what ever happened came as a

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surprise to the people flying the plane. The Sunday Times has put the

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pictures of the kids on the front, because we are increasingly led to

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believe that the Russians are the bad guys. I was brought up on that

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in the 70s and 80s, but here are little children, the little girl in

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the main picture, holding a my Little pony toy, the same as my

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daughter, and it reminds you that these people do not deserve to be

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blown out of the sky, if that is what has happened. They have just

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gone on holiday to a popular part of the world, and they were on their

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way home. It makes them look more like us, which we can forget, were

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not allowed to remember. That's right, the power of the narrative,

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we saw that with the child that was washed up on the beaches of Greece,

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that is a powerful moving picture, but I wonder if Isis's reach is such

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that it can down a large airliner and long way away, as well, with a

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missile, it seems far-fetched. The view seems to be from experts that

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they do not have that power and capability because the plane was too

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high. The thing with Isis, so much is not known, we can't get immediate

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there to find out what is going on and we don't know what military

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people are finding out in the area, and so we don't know what their

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capability is or isn't. The Daily Mail has really gone to town with

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this story. The Iraq war cover up. The article is about how ministers

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were told they must destroy a document which showed the war was

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illegal. This was a document which was written by the then Attorney

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General Lord Goldsmith. This is a complex one. Straightforward

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headline, though. The claim is by a senior number ten figure at the time

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which could be a politician or civil servant, anybody. The claim is that

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the Attorney General came forward with the legal advice, which we know

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about, there was legal advice and then there was new legal advice a

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couple of weeks later. It said the conflict to be challenged. And

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apparently someone said, burn it. It sounds slightly amateur for what was

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a very slick operation at number ten at the time. But not many people had

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sight of that document in the first place. No, and the people that did,

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maybe not the people that you expect, they gave it to Jeff home,

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the Defence Secretary, and his name comes up a lot in this, and they let

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him see it, but not Gordon Brown, even though Gordon Brown was very

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much number two in that government. It seems Tony Blair was prepared to

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sack Jeff Poon at the time, so why you would give him an initiative to

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use against him, if he did sack him a few weeks later, it is not quite

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ring... There is something missing. Something quite fishy, but no firm

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facts really. The first legal advice the Attorney General gave was that

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going to war in Iraq could be challenged because there is not a

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legal basis for it through the United Nations and he changed his

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mind about that a few days later. Yeah, the question for Chilcot,

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which is being investigated, what provided the change? Why did anyone

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decide that they did give one opinion and then ten days later give

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another? The Mail on Sunday has decided that is because there was

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pressure put on Goldsmith with the words "Burn it". The problem,

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though, it is a bit better than rumour and innuendo, but not much.

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They are in the difficult position, they can't name their source, and it

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appears... Is it just one source? We know the difficulties we face with

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that. Yeah, it seems to be, although they have spoken to Jeff home, and

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he has denied that he brought up this Burn it message. He has not

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many things in the article. His brilliant comment, is, I will not be

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making any comment, and then he proceeds to make a comment. His

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nickname was buff Hoon which I had not realised. You hope that this

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will be explained to us in the Chilcot report, which has been

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underway since 2009 and we are still not likely to see it until next

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summer. Yes, I do not know how anyone can do still be essential

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Chilcot in 2000 words, but I'm sure someone can. -- be essential. The

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Observer newspaper, Theresa May forced to backtrack over law and

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snooping over internet use. -- law on. These are plans to give the

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securities services access to all of our internet browsing history, which

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many people take issue with. Yes, this looks like a number ten spin

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operation, it looks like it, certainly to liberty, who say that

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it is just spin, the Lib Dem and Labour peers will probably knock

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this back. There has been a pattern emerging. They are emboldened after

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the tax credit cuts. They don't mind a bit of pink -- ping-pong. There

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are many stories about this, the main one is in the Sunday Times,

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they have gone on judges will be given the power to veto the approval

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sought by ministers, and at the moment they can say, collect all the

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information on this chap, he's dangerous, but they are saying, put

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a judging. Veto for surveillance usually means using a rubber stamp

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and what they want is for a judge to decide on this, and that is what

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they are not getting from the government. It will not go away its

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entirety? It looks like spin, it is one of those, we're going to look at

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everything you do at the internet, but we are not bothered about

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Facebook. It smacks of spin and this has been kicking around for a while,

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the Lib Dems claim credit for downing this in the last government.

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According to this is seems to have downed itself in this government.

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Which is why it smacks of spin, the way it has been watered down

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suddenly, but maybe not by that much. I'm always so shocked by how

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cynical our paper reviewers are! Another Sunday Post. The article,

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this is on the Scottish front page, exclusive, schoolkids lefty use

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bookmakers pens as cuts bite -- left to use. This is a great Sunday Post

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local authority funding, and how local authority funding, and how

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that is affecting education funding, but my own Sunday Post has gone in

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and the fact that the budgets have been cut so much that there is not

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much cash for pens, basic stuff for kids. Just does. Jotter? That is

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something you use for a shopping list. It is shocking, though, that

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the teachers have got to get these from the bookmakers. The teachers

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are running into the bookmakers? Scotland does have a gambling

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legacy. Be careful with those national stereotypes. The Sunday

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Post has done very well with this story. There is a serious story, the

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Scottish election is next year, and the SNP government has got to be

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judged on the things it has done, rather than just on the referendum,

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and this is the start. Other papers are not doing this much, but this is

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the Sunday Post, judging them on their record of cutting budgets to

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local authorities and local authorities cutting education

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budgets and that has to be highlighted. And now to the Sunday

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Telegraph, this is the headline of the night. Why your cat is plotting

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to kill you. Why is this? Apparently because they are cats, they are

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related to African lions and Scottish Wildcats. Your cat is

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genetically programmed to conspire. To be neurotic and aggressive, I

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will second that, we have a cat which does that. It is an insane

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story, cats cannot plot, they cannot think like that, but is also a great

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story because everyone knows a slightly grumpy cat which they think

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is plotting and they do look at you as if they are potting. It works on

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two levels. The problem is, the size argument, but you have friends with

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an enormous cat? Yes, Meme -- they might be watching, they have a cat

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the size of a dog, but they cannot let it out because people might

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steal it. Mine is, and if anyone would like to home her, they are

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welcome. She is the cruellest thing. We are going to look at the Mail on

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Sunday, and I can't work out how I'm supposed to approach this story.

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Jerry and Murdoch, what a rugby union, we have a picture from the

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Rugby World Cup final, Rupert Murdoch with his new squeeze, Jerry

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Hall. What springs to mind? What attracted you to the

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multi-billionaire Rupert Murdoch? In the words of Mrs Merton... Jerry

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Hall can't be hard up, she had a modelling career and what ever Mick

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Jagger has left her, but they are wearing very cheap scarves. These

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are the scars that you get outside the ground for ?5, I would have

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thought Rupert could have his own scarf made for him or and American

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scar. He could have supported New Zealand. Yes, is the man who always

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backs winner. Yes, but the underdog... Anyway, that is Rupert

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Murdoch, Jerry, very happy. That is it for the papers this hour. My

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guests will be back at 1134 another look at the stories making the

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headlines tomorrow. Later on, we will have the headlines

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at 11 o'clock. With more on the aeroplane crash in the Sinai

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Peninsula. And now we have Reporters.

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