30/10/2015 The Papers


30/10/2015

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gymnastics championships, and Formula 1 makes its return for the

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first time since 1992. Hello and welcome to our look

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ahead to what the the papers With me are the author

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and playwright Bonnie Greer and David Williamson, the political

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editor of Wales Online. Tomorrow's front pages, starting

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with The Times, which says foreigners will

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be forced to pay to use an ambulance

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or visit A in a crackdown "A great day for justice" is the

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Daily Mail's take on the release of Shaker Aamer after 14 years

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in Guantanamo Bay. The Guardian says he'll sue the

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British government over its alleged The Independent says a new House

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of Lords revolt is brewing, this The Express highlights the case

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of a 91-year-old widow who faces being deported from the UK,

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saying it reveals deep flaws The Daily Telegraph says the deaths

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of up to 25 patients have come under investigation after a scandal

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involving the 1-1-1 helpline. And The Sun says just 25

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of the 650 MPs in the House of Commons have given

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their ?7,000 pay rises to charity. On the front of the male, Shaker

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Aamer who has spent 14 years in Guantanamo Bay. Up to 14 years

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without trial, the papers have been quite tenacious about campaigning

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for his release? Absently, they have run with this. It is similar to the

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Stephen Lawrence campaign. At last, it has paid off. They have kept him

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in the public eye -- absolutely. It is a great result for freedom,

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except nothing can really compensate for nearly 14 years away from your

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family. He is a very articulate man, he has been very focused on

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understanding what is actually going on at Guantanamo Bay. He spoke out

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when there was a two bit on American television. Very articulate, saying

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things like he wants to reclaim his name, because in what time of day

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you are called by your number. Now he is going to sue, which is the

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Guardian's headline. He has called in the heavyweights of human rights

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and prison act that he freedom -- activity freedom. There have been

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many abuses of human rights, his lawyer has fought and won. He and

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the people in his cab, his family, he has gotten some compensation

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towards the end. Before he was released? He says that he can prove

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that during his torture allegations, there were British officials,

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police, security services. That would be a violation of the law in

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Britain -- camp. Interesting. The Chilcott investigation is coming up,

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he has said that he wants to settle this quickly as it is in the

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interests of the country. Whether you want to have your experiences

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made public, that is the question? That's right. Apparently he was

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interviewed by some officials, they really wanted the entire story to

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come out. He's going to a foundation, that's what he wants.

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You can see the incentive to bring it to light, it's a story that has

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to be told. Some people still feel, he was in Afghanistan, he says it

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was fought charity work. Some people feel he has been canonised? This is

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bigger than he is. He is trying to highlight the fact that Guantanamo

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Bay is an extradition will are -- extraditial anomaly. We have to

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understand the law, it is outside the tourist action of the United

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States -- jurisdiction. If the US was implicit, that has to be

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highlighted and dealt with. That is what he wants to bring up. It is

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noble work if he does that, because it is about the law and the rule of

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law. The Sun, an exclusive, it says. 25 out of 650 MPs have been

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given a pay rise of ?7,000 and given that to charity. We did this idea

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come from? I was about to say that. -- where? I think there was a court

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order or something. We did this come from that they gave it to charity?

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In the wake of the expenses scandal, they said we should stop setting our

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own salaries. Lo and behold, we have this. I think the question is, where

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did the tipping it to charity thing come from? Why should they have to?

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When you have public sector workers, who have paid for so long, campaign

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for so long... People say, if you are working in a hospital on a

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ground level job, you are worse off. To see a cheque for ?7,000 lending,

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it sticks in your crore. The headline is 25 out of 650, as if it

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is an obligation as opposed to a donation. It is a good donation,

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they should do it, but the headline is very bizarre -- craw. They are

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the lawmakers, they decide on the laws of the land. Shouldn't they be

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paid a decent amount of money? Public sector workers should be paid

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a decent amount of money. Just 25, did they go around and ask them? The

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headline... By a newspaper tomorrow and find out, it should be on page

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two. -- buy. Jeremy Corbyn is appealing to Labour Party members,

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those left in Scotland, because he is unsure about the future of

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Trident. This is fascinating because Scotland is because a great

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heartland of Labour, now there is only one MP. The question is, how do

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they revive themselves? They might need and almost fully independent

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Scottish Labour Party. They could be a post to Trident. That begs the

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question, if there is a future Labour government, will you have

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English MPs who are signed up on a keeping Trident platform? It is

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almost like a piece relationship. In Scotland, this is the Scottish front

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page. You will see a different version in the rest of the UK. He is

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placing himself alongside Nicola Sturgeon, who... They have long

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talked about getting rid of it? Jeremy Corbyn has campaigned against

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this for all of his political life, it would be ridiculous for him to

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change that now. He has to be consistent. The collision would be,

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the leader of this party is in favour of a multi- deterrent. A lot

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of the shadow cabinet. He has to get the shadow cabinet to be with him.

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Jeremy Corbyn is right, and the Scottish Nationals are, Trident...

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We were say that if there is any nuclear buttons to be pushed, they

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will be pushed in the bunker in The Pentagon. We are in an age of

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asymmetrical warfare. What the unions are saying is that there will

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be a loss of skill base. That is serious and important, why is the

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skill base being transferred to build our nuclear infrastructure,

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instead of the Chinese? I can't answer that question, and frankly, I

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don't have to. Going to the FT, a lack of encryption discussed online

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which TalkTalk says it was not discussed. This is somebody who

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decided to go on Twitter, they don't know they are publishing on Twitter,

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they don't know what they're doing. They think they are talking to their

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mates. Suddenly it is all over the world. That is what happened here.

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You have to remember which social media platform you are writing on.

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You do, and you have to understand how Twitter works. It sounds like

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somebody having a chat about something they found out, and the

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hackers got in and started having a very good time. Somebody exploited

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it? That does seem to be the case. It's interesting parallel, we were

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talking about the fear of the security services sneaking on our

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data, and here we have this... It really is a question of, all of our

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data has been turned into wine -- binary. This is one of the great

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questions of our time. It is a great provocation, because if you put a

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problem on Twitter, there will always be someone who wants to test

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it. That is what's happened here. There are some very clever people

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out there. Generation rant knocks links out of house moving chain --

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rent. There are huge numbers of houses that have to change hands on

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the same day for the chain not to be broken, it doesn't seem quite the

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same now? Millennial 's are starting to get used to the fact that they

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probably won't own a home. They will never own a home, they are being...

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Not prepared to own a home. If you are 25-35 in this country, it is not

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a great place to be. So, the fact that we are in a homeowning

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democracy, like the US, and our future generations won't be able to

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be a part of this... We have been brought up to expect that the

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majority of people will own a home. That aspiration still sits in many

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peoples minds it was interesting during the party conference season,

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David Cameron cast himself as the defender of the property democracy.

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If, in half a decade's time when he steps down, this has totally become

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a pipedream and nothing more, then that entire British landscape in

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terms of politics could be recalibrated. We talk about

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immigration, in fact, we have a generation who are being given

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another country. It has to do with their expectations, they will not

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have the life that their fathers and grandfathers and grandmothers have.

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It's not going to happen. The Times, foreigners to pay for emergency

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healthcare. Jeremy Hunt wants a crackdown on health tourism. A lot

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of people will say, quite right? If you don't live here and pay for it,

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you should not receive free treatment. Certainly, Jeremy Hunt

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has this strong front page and will probably be happy tomorrow to see

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this. It comes after what has been quite a torrid week for the Tories,

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with the tax credits and such. Certainly, a very macho story. There

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are questions about it. The figure actually includes, I think, being

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combined with existing charity. Even in the US, you'd better get your

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credit card ready. You are at least allowed to come out of the emergency

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room. How do you do this in emergency? Doctors are saying, what

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are we expected to do? Get our debit card machine ready when they are

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wheeled in on the trolley? How is this going to work? There are

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practical considerations, certainly. Lovely to see you both, thank you

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for talking us through the front pages.

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That's it for the papers this hour. Thank

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you Bonnie Greer and David Williamson. Coming up next, it's

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Coming up tonight: South Africa take the honours in the third place

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