30/10/2015 The Papers


30/10/2015

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Glasgow as the men go for gold at the gymnastics championships, and

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also in Mexico where Formula 1 makes its return for the first time since

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1982. -- 1992. Studio E, check. Green dress, check.

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Thank goodness for that. Hello and welcome to our look

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ahead to what the the papers With me are broadcaster Bonnie

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Greer, and David Williamson - the The Times says foreigners will be

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forced to pay to use an ambulance or visit A in a crackdown

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on so-called "health tourism". "A great day for justice" is the

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Daily Mail's take on the release of Shaker Aamer after 14 years

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in Guantanamo Bay. The Independent says a new House

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of Lords revolt is brewing, this The Express highlights the case

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of a 91-year-old widow who faces being deported from the UK,

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saying it reveals deep flaws The Daily Telegraph says the deaths

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of up to 25 patients have come under investigation after a scandal

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involving the 1-1-1 helpline. And the Sun says just 25

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of the 650 MPs in the House of Commons have given

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their ?7000 pay rises to charity Let's begin with the Daily Mail and

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the Shaker Aamer story. He has returned home to the UK after 14

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years in Guantanamo Bay. Bonnie, this is a story the Daily Mail has

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been very tenacious over, securing his release. I cannot Express what I

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feel about the Daily Mail on television, however you have to give

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them the respect for this. They did this for the family and the campaign

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and reprieve of the organisation, the campaign to get him out, and

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amazing effort and they deserve the respect. We, unfortunately, are

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reduced to Guantanamo Bay now. We call it Gitmo in the United States

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but it is an abomination, our modern day Gulag and this extrajudicial

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horror this man was kept in. He was exonerated, OK, by George Bush,

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Obama, the FBI, the CIA, MI5 and MI6 and he still was not let go. There

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is talk he may be June compensation, not surprising for

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many people? Absolutely. If we look at the Birmingham six, the Guildford

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four, in this case he wasn't even charged. In the war of ideas, as

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well as one of national security, sacrificing the moral high ground is

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one of the greatest tragedies you can have. What the Daily Mail has

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done again, to give it its respect, hard for me to do but I will, is

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that they upheld the principle of PBS corpus which was begun in this

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country -- happiest corpus. This is a great triumph for them and it will

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be interesting to see what he does now. A very particular man and it

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will be interesting to see what he says. Let's move on to the Financial

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Times. Tweet signalled TalkTalk floors. Signalling their

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vulnerabilities. Where did this come from? Possibly a customer service

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worker, tweeting about the vulnerabilities in this huge

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organisation. Like saying to a group of bears, there is some honey over

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here, let's explorer. On the forums as a much discussed topic and low

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and behold there appears to be a slew of potential teenagers who

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decided to explore this. This amazes me about Twitter because there are

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many people who do not know what it is or understand what Twitter is.

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This could have been someone who thought he or she was speaking to

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another person and did not realise everybody can see you, and, yes, it

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is literally a publishing platform with all the rules of publishing and

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this is what happened. Now they think a bunch of 16-year-olds, two

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16-year-olds have actually done this. Quite amazing. The other story

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in the Financial Times, a rival of generation rent Knox links out of

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the house moving chain. So many people who need to move house at the

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same time, they are suggesting that phenomenon might not be necessary --

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dieback. Apparently not that long ago one in ten house sales were in a

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chain, and that was something like one in three saw it shows how many

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people are in this huge renting thing, myself included. I am

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renting, too. This is, you know, if you're 25 to 35, you may as well

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just, there is an expression but I will not say it, this generation,

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the Next Generation, the ones who will actually support people like me

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and all that is being encouraged, there are not finding anywhere to

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live, and it is not OK, not an acceptable thing, but it seems now

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that they are going to be led to believe this is normal for them,

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this will be a normal situation. In many countries in Europe, though, it

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is normal not to on your own home. Don't we just have a bee in our

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bonnets, a bit? America and great Britain are property owning

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democracy is. The idea of your children, your money. If this is to

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be changed for the generation who is actually the one in work, powering

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the economy, the ones who are the future, there is something that has

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been turned upside down. Absolutely. And apparently a huge mentoring of

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the market is by two letters selling to other by two letters. -- dieback.

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I live in the West End and it is not for the young -- buy-to-letters.

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Jeremy Hunt planning a crackdown on the hospitals which should generate

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?5 billion. I feel like I have read this headline a few times before. We

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should expect foreigners to pay for health care they receive on the NHS,

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not just emergency care. Absolutely. An EU citizen, you hand over your D1

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11 card and the doctors, for a start, they don't like it that much

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-- E1 11 card. If someone gets on a plane to disappear there is a

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limited amount of things the Government can do to get that back.

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If someone turns up and asks for a life-saving care, you cannot ask

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them for their credit card there and then. You know what, they don't even

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do this in the rated states. If you get through the emergency and you

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live, they might start asking you for the money, but even in New York

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City they don't ask you in an emergency for your card, saw how

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they do this will be very interesting. Another example of the

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shambles that Jeremy Hunt and his predators have made of this great

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World Service -- so how they do this. But a lot of people will

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think, if you don't live here, quite right, why should you get free

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treatment? There is something called the Hippocratic oath. But someone

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has to pay for it. They do, but the doctor takes care of the person.

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Passed an emergency that is another question, but in an emergency, you

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know, I am sure they are hopping mad about this. That I'd newspaper. --

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The i Newspaper. Special forces sent to Syria, with reluctance, one

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imagines, David. Yes, and for John Kerry who served in Vietnam, sending

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military advisers and this snowballing into greater

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commitments. I imagine he will see this as a defining element really of

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his career that he can avoid that type of escalation. The other part

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of this is that Vladimir Putin has arisen because he was kept down by

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the sanctions and all that was going on and this is his way of returning

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now on the side of Hazard. His traditional ally -- Assad. So we are

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now doing a major party, big party power games again. In Vienna, of all

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places, that place where they always meet. To determine the world, in

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Vienna. . , this probably will not be the end of it. It strikes, to

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nothing -- but this probably will not be the end of it. If it is

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mission creep there is likely to be something else down the track?

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Indeed. The whole question is whether David Cameron tries to

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introduce British involvement. Now the Americans have special troops on

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the ground it makes the fact there is not even a pretty as a patient

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from Britain for people who very much regret the fact that two years

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ago Britain did not join in, and embarrassment, almost. Obama has to

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be careful he does not get sucked into this. This is Putin's mono a

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mono, so he has to be careful he does not go there. Especially since

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this is the end of his presidency, he does not want this to be one of

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the things remembered from eight years. He has to be member about

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that, and John Kerry as well. Let's move on to the Independent. New

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Lord's revolt looms over surveillance, this controversial

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draft bill in the opera house, a move to defeat that. David, tell us

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a bit about this. Basically the Security service has realised this,

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how on earth do you regulate and explore what is going on online?

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Where are the rules for this? During the last quality and there was an

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attempt to actually put in this, the modern equivalent of getting a

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warrant to open your mail or tap your forums? The Smithers Charter,

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say the critics. -- Snoopers' Charter. To log director of every

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website you have been to, and it has already created mass of

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controversy. The Lib Dems will probably sees this as a real Civil

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Liberties cause. The Semites hilarious part about this is that in

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the coalition the Lib Dems tried to get an elected house and the

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Conservatives did not want to do that and of course they are no

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screaming about this House. How much of this revolt is because the Lord's

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are emboldened by what happened over tax credits this week? The Lords'

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job is to advise and scrutinise and that is what they are doing and they

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are being very reactive about it. It is not the first time. They were

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active in 2008, 2007, so there it is, duties. As I say, the Lib Dems

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did try to introduce it into the House and the Conservatives said,

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no. There you are. One of these grand irony is that you have eight

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Lib Dem MPs and oodles and oodles of... Yes, that is the way it is. To

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the daily Mirror. We have seen a number of footballers, in

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particular, sports stars, speaking about their sexuality and saying

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they are gay. Here we have John Fashanu CN, I paid my brother

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?75,000 in hush money, this is Justin, his brother. You know a

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little bit about this? I do know from the theatre there was a play

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going around for a while in the mid-1990s about Justin and about his

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fate. He died in the United States. He went over to become a coach and

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ended his life there. There has always been something around. I find

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this very interesting, and I don't quite understand. The headline

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suggests John paid his brother this and that of money not to speak about

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Justin's on sexuality. It is interesting that has come out now

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because Justin has been gone from long time. This seems to be the

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continuation of a story a lot of people have known about and it

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is... It would be interesting to see what Justin, sorry, what John wants

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to say no. And the timing of... Exactly, very interesting to see

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what he would say -- now. Thank you to Bonnie Greer and David

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Williamson - you'll both be back at 11.30 for another look at the

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stories making the news tomorrow. At 11pm we will have more on Shaker

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Aamer, who has arrived back in the UK after a decade detained without

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charge at Guantanamo Bay.

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