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bests and four world records they have peaked at the right time. That


is all the sport for now. Here is Gavin Esler with The Papers.


morning edition of The papers. With me are Sian Griffiths, Education


Editor for the Sunday Times and Mike Walters, Sports Correspondent for


pictures of some of the 25 children who died in the plane crash in


Egypt's Sinai. But it leads with the suggestion that ministers have


U-turned on tougher school tests in the face of teaching union


opposition. The Observer leads with the government's internet


surveillance plans - it says the Home Secretary has been forced to


backtrack. The Mail's focus is the Iraq War - it claims that ministers


at the time were told to 'burn' a top-level document questioning the


legal basis of the conflict. The Sunday Telegraph carries a picture


of Prince Harry handing the Rugby World Cup to New Zealand's captain


after his side's historic victory over Australia .And finally - the


Express leads with so-called Islamic State terrorists claiming


responsibility for the crash of the Russian passenger jet - that that


killed 224 people. So let's begin...


Did Islamic Cammack state shoot down the airliner? The evidence appears


to say no but they have claimed it. But is not a ridiculous


inconceivable thing for them to say and the crash site with the plane


landed is in an area which is absolutely infested with insurgent


groups linked to Islamic State and I know the authorities are saying it


is not them that it will make people in the West very nervous about going


to Egypt. Egypt is the pivotal country in the region and the one


which most Arab people look up to two see how things are going there


and any bad news for Egypt as bad news for the whole area. It is bad


news for humanity and were talking about changing 24 lives gone like


that and 25 of them children. 300 people convened in a hotel at St


Petersburg airport who thought they were going to meet the mums and dads


are sons and daughters of brothers and sisters of a nice flight from a


family holiday in the sun and what they must be going through now is


unimaginable. They will be wondering not only what happened and why it


happened and Islamic State claims of responsibility have been initially


dismissed by Russian and Egyptian authorities but the plane came down


with the Nadir allegedly infested with insurgent groups and until we


get definitive answers those 200 people and more will be nervous


about the causes of the crash. Eyes-mac 300 people. We are told how


statistically safe air travellers and it is statistically safe but we


also see the airliner shot down over Ukraine and the German wings crash


and it does raise questions about how safe their travel really is. You


consider a number of cases this year of planes coming down and I think


more and more rewarding Sabine were issued -- more and more warnings are


being issued. There was a warning in March to avoid flying over the Sinai


Peninsula below 26,000 feet. Three major airlines have already said it


will not fly over that part of Egypt, Lufthansa Emirates and Air


France. They have decided that as a no-go zone until the cause of the


crash is been determined. You have a great story on the front page of the


Sunday Times, Tories in school test U-turn. This is a very interesting


story about the government and parents and kids and the stress of


tests. I have two kids of my own who are in their 20s now and I'm glad


they are not going through the system at the moment. This is all


about tough new tests and assessments for primary school


children in England. There are likely to be some scrapped as Nicky


Morgan on Tuesday will announce a review into all the testing of


premier school pupils. At the moment the baseline assessment is at five


and that is another teacher assessment at seven and then at 11


they face externally marked tests and as with a lot of annoyance and


uncertainty and stress caused by this framework which the government


has been trying to put in place that can measure the progress of children


between five and 11 to make sure that schools are doing enough to


teach them properly and the National union of teachers threatened to


boycott the tests at five and I think this is Nicky Morgan being


reeling practical -- really practical saying that the framework


does not seem to be working so through it all back into the pot and


let's have another look at it and it is very interesting that the review


group she will announce on Tuesday is absolutely packed with


headteachers. It's a practical or is it brave? Some newspapers will not


take that view and it was a it is typical and we should test their


children to death because that is the other will be find out if they


are working. I think it is both practical and brave because the Tory


right love testing and Michael Gove and Nick Gibb want these tests and


the idea that they are you turning a perpetual toting -- that they are


you turning our capitulating to the unions is anathema to them. I think


as a parent you want them to enjoy learning. You want them to achieve


that you want them to enjoy going to school. I moved my family into a


county where they do not do and 11 plus exam simply because I did not


want my children's feature determined by one single exam and I


think the concept of testing kits at five and seven and 11 as an absolute


nonsense and if this is a victory of sorts for trade unions then let's


hear it for the foot soldiers of the trade unions who are foot soldiers


of common-sense. It is the easy thing for politicians to do to set


standards and set tests and it is more difficult for Nicky Morgan to


say we will not do this because actually what we want is for


standards to be driven up by good teaching which presumably means a


good morale in the schools. By doing this I think she's trying to get


headteachers on board. You have to get all you people going with it and


that is how you drive things forward and I think that the sensible. I


think creating legions of stressed out screwed up kids is not good.


This is the third week in a row that has been at Tony Blair related Iran


war article. Ministers were told to destroy secret evidence showing the


Iran war was illegal. Bombshell revelation piled fresh pressure on


Blair over Chilcott probe. What do you make of this? --Chilcot. Until


the enquiry is published, hopefully in our lifetime, they will keep on


going on about it. It is alleged that officials were told to burn the


rabble dash-macro relevant correspondence. This suggests to me


that the case for war and whatever is perhaps a little bit flawed. When


a lawyer tells you this could be challenged to core is like a lawyer


telling you the sun will come up in the morning. That is what lawyers


do. Is that any meat on this? I feel I already knew part of the story and


we knew there were two opinions. Ten days later Lord Goldsmith apparently


changed his mind and said that the war is legal but apparently there


was this other opinion he had come up with ten days earlier, allegedly.


Since it has all come out anyway, I think the Chilcott report will never


come out! We are still waiting for those weapons of mass destruction.


Don't hold your breath on that! Now, snooping on internet use. This


climb-down is just spin according to civil libertarians. On the one hand,


we want security services to protect us but on the other we are not keen


on them reading our emails. Another climb-down? Surely not! The balance


between the snooping charter and the police's right to know what we are


up to, especially in the fight against terrorism, it is not an easy


line for them to tread, and North of the Government in terms of


legislation. I don't know if this is a full-scale U-turn so much as one


or two concessions here and there. I think they are talking about


dropping contentious proposals from the investigatory Powers bill,


catchy title! Due to be published in draft form next week. They are


expected to bar police from accessing browsing histories on the


internet. And companies will not be banned from encrypting sensitive


material. I personally cannot see that either of those two things will


necessarily hinder the fight against terrorism and that is basically what


this bill is about, let's be honest. I agree, actually. This is about


making some concessions to get the bill through, and it is being


published on Wednesday. And it is a difficult balance, incredibly


difficult. We want secret services to do everything they can to catch


terrorists but against that, if you are private individual, the idea


that people are looking at your internet history, that they have


access to everything you do online, that is frightening. I am not sure


that these concessions, you know, will actually go far enough in terms


of my own feeling that I want my Civil Liberties to be protected. Who


want them to look at somebody else's emails? Is the Government


nervous with a majority of 12 with strong-minded backbenchers on this


issue, for example David Davis, and also what might happen in the Lords,


given that the Lib Dems have opposed them on an unrelated issue recently?


In other words, they could be defeated on this very issue. I think


that is right and there could be more concessions coming as the bill


goes through Parliament to keep more people on board. The head of a Civil


Liberties group says this is just a spin and people will be pushing for


more concessions. This so-called snooping charter is bill was blocked


by Nick Clegg in the coalition Government, so it is very sensitive.


You hit the nail on the head. The Government only have a majority of


12 and they had problems with tax credits last week so they have got


to tread carefully to make sure they do not stumble into a vote where


they get defeated, not good news for the Government. I thought there was


a good story in the business pages. Crisis in care homes World War


problems in the steel industry. It is talking about -- will dwarf


problems in the steel industry. It is talking about local authority


funding dropping and what we will do when they get old and we need help.


It touches a lot of people? Everybody that grows old! There are


startling factoids in this spread. The average age of the entire UK


population is now 40, which puts a spring into a step of a 52-year-old


who felt old at six o'clock this morning! And UK care homes look


after 400,000 elderly people in this country. To me, that sounds like a


tiny percentage of a population of 65 million people. It suggests that


we are talking into a care crisis further down the line. We are


sleepwalking into a diabetes crisis because of the overweight people in


the country. We all grow old but we do not all get fat. It is quite an


interesting story. It does actually hint at a large-scale problems


further down the track. I was really struck by this, because we all want


to grow old with dignity but that might cost a lot personally and to


the country. And there are interesting statistics in there. The


number of people aged over 65 will increase by more than 40% in the


next 17 years. We have this time bomb, an avalanche of people coming


through, and it looks like there will not be care homes available to


house them. Let's cheer ourselves up! I thought the best news of the


last 24 hours was the rugby and the Triumph that the Rugby World Cup has


been. Not for the home nations. Let's hear it for a World Cup final


with a record number of points scored. Over 50 on aggregate. Let's


hear it for a World Cup final where Prince Harry hands over the Webb


Ellis Trophy to a deserving team. But it was not England! Knocked out


a month ago. And not Scotland, knocked out by a referee!


Congratulations to the All Blacks, now claiming to be the greatest


rugby team in history having retained the World Cup. And


Australia. When they were down, at half I thought there was not much


point watching, but they really rallied. A spectacle deserving of


the tournament as a whole and a terrific final. Are you a fan? Yes,


I like it, but it kept the menfolk in my life happy for the weekend.


You have got the pictures on the front page with Harry handing the


Webb Ellis Trophy to the All Blacks captain. But I actually like this


picture on the front page of the Mail on Sunday. Two fans. Yes, Mr


Murdoch and his new partner Jerry Hall at the World Cup final.


Australian fans. Although Mr Murdoch is an American citizen. Two US


citizens, actually. It was a great event, wasn't it? Record TV


audiences, sometimes 90,000 people watching it live and in the


stadiums, no trouble. Even in the provincial outposts like Exeter and


Gloucester and Milton Keynes, the grounds were full, the support was


passionate, there was a great spectacle and some great stories.


Japan beating South Africa early in the tournament was a terrific hit


for the underdog. A terrific spectacle and it was a fantastic


party. Well done to the rugby football union for staging it. Just


a shame that the hosts and indeed all the home nations... The


semifinals were an exclusively southern hemisphere domain. But it


does not take anything away from the fact the two best teams in the


tournament reached the final and put on a final worthy of it. Thank you


very much. Sian Griffiths and Mike Walters. Just a reminder that we


looked at the newspapers every evening at 10:30pm and 11:30pm every


evening on BBC News.


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