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bests and four world records they have peaked at the right time. That

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is all the sport for now. Here is Gavin Esler with The Papers.

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morning edition of The papers. With me are Sian Griffiths, Education

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Editor for the Sunday Times and Mike Walters, Sports Correspondent for

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pictures of some of the 25 children who died in the plane crash in

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Egypt's Sinai. But it leads with the suggestion that ministers have

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U-turned on tougher school tests in the face of teaching union

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opposition. The Observer leads with the government's internet

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surveillance plans - it says the Home Secretary has been forced to

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backtrack. The Mail's focus is the Iraq War - it claims that ministers

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at the time were told to 'burn' a top-level document questioning the

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legal basis of the conflict. The Sunday Telegraph carries a picture

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of Prince Harry handing the Rugby World Cup to New Zealand's captain

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after his side's historic victory over Australia .And finally - the

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Express leads with so-called Islamic State terrorists claiming

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responsibility for the crash of the Russian passenger jet - that that

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killed 224 people. So let's begin...

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Did Islamic Cammack state shoot down the airliner? The evidence appears

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to say no but they have claimed it. But is not a ridiculous

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inconceivable thing for them to say and the crash site with the plane

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landed is in an area which is absolutely infested with insurgent

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groups linked to Islamic State and I know the authorities are saying it

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is not them that it will make people in the West very nervous about going

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to Egypt. Egypt is the pivotal country in the region and the one

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which most Arab people look up to two see how things are going there

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and any bad news for Egypt as bad news for the whole area. It is bad

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news for humanity and were talking about changing 24 lives gone like

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that and 25 of them children. 300 people convened in a hotel at St

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Petersburg airport who thought they were going to meet the mums and dads

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are sons and daughters of brothers and sisters of a nice flight from a

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family holiday in the sun and what they must be going through now is

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unimaginable. They will be wondering not only what happened and why it

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happened and Islamic State claims of responsibility have been initially

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dismissed by Russian and Egyptian authorities but the plane came down

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with the Nadir allegedly infested with insurgent groups and until we

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get definitive answers those 200 people and more will be nervous

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about the causes of the crash. Eyes-mac 300 people. We are told how

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statistically safe air travellers and it is statistically safe but we

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also see the airliner shot down over Ukraine and the German wings crash

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and it does raise questions about how safe their travel really is. You

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consider a number of cases this year of planes coming down and I think

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more and more rewarding Sabine were issued -- more and more warnings are

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being issued. There was a warning in March to avoid flying over the Sinai

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Peninsula below 26,000 feet. Three major airlines have already said it

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will not fly over that part of Egypt, Lufthansa Emirates and Air

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France. They have decided that as a no-go zone until the cause of the

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crash is been determined. You have a great story on the front page of the

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Sunday Times, Tories in school test U-turn. This is a very interesting

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story about the government and parents and kids and the stress of

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tests. I have two kids of my own who are in their 20s now and I'm glad

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they are not going through the system at the moment. This is all

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about tough new tests and assessments for primary school

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children in England. There are likely to be some scrapped as Nicky

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Morgan on Tuesday will announce a review into all the testing of

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premier school pupils. At the moment the baseline assessment is at five

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and that is another teacher assessment at seven and then at 11

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they face externally marked tests and as with a lot of annoyance and

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uncertainty and stress caused by this framework which the government

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has been trying to put in place that can measure the progress of children

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between five and 11 to make sure that schools are doing enough to

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teach them properly and the National union of teachers threatened to

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boycott the tests at five and I think this is Nicky Morgan being

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reeling practical -- really practical saying that the framework

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does not seem to be working so through it all back into the pot and

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let's have another look at it and it is very interesting that the review

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group she will announce on Tuesday is absolutely packed with

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headteachers. It's a practical or is it brave? Some newspapers will not

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take that view and it was a it is typical and we should test their

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children to death because that is the other will be find out if they

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are working. I think it is both practical and brave because the Tory

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right love testing and Michael Gove and Nick Gibb want these tests and

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the idea that they are you turning a perpetual toting -- that they are

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you turning our capitulating to the unions is anathema to them. I think

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as a parent you want them to enjoy learning. You want them to achieve

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that you want them to enjoy going to school. I moved my family into a

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county where they do not do and 11 plus exam simply because I did not

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want my children's feature determined by one single exam and I

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think the concept of testing kits at five and seven and 11 as an absolute

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nonsense and if this is a victory of sorts for trade unions then let's

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hear it for the foot soldiers of the trade unions who are foot soldiers

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of common-sense. It is the easy thing for politicians to do to set

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standards and set tests and it is more difficult for Nicky Morgan to

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say we will not do this because actually what we want is for

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standards to be driven up by good teaching which presumably means a

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good morale in the schools. By doing this I think she's trying to get

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headteachers on board. You have to get all you people going with it and

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that is how you drive things forward and I think that the sensible. I

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think creating legions of stressed out screwed up kids is not good.

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This is the third week in a row that has been at Tony Blair related Iran

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war article. Ministers were told to destroy secret evidence showing the

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Iran war was illegal. Bombshell revelation piled fresh pressure on

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Blair over Chilcott probe. What do you make of this? --Chilcot. Until

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the enquiry is published, hopefully in our lifetime, they will keep on

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going on about it. It is alleged that officials were told to burn the

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rabble dash-macro relevant correspondence. This suggests to me

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that the case for war and whatever is perhaps a little bit flawed. When

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a lawyer tells you this could be challenged to core is like a lawyer

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telling you the sun will come up in the morning. That is what lawyers

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do. Is that any meat on this? I feel I already knew part of the story and

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we knew there were two opinions. Ten days later Lord Goldsmith apparently

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changed his mind and said that the war is legal but apparently there

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was this other opinion he had come up with ten days earlier, allegedly.

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Since it has all come out anyway, I think the Chilcott report will never

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come out! We are still waiting for those weapons of mass destruction.

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Don't hold your breath on that! Now, snooping on internet use. This

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climb-down is just spin according to civil libertarians. On the one hand,

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we want security services to protect us but on the other we are not keen

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on them reading our emails. Another climb-down? Surely not! The balance

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between the snooping charter and the police's right to know what we are

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up to, especially in the fight against terrorism, it is not an easy

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line for them to tread, and North of the Government in terms of

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legislation. I don't know if this is a full-scale U-turn so much as one

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or two concessions here and there. I think they are talking about

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dropping contentious proposals from the investigatory Powers bill,

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catchy title! Due to be published in draft form next week. They are

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expected to bar police from accessing browsing histories on the

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internet. And companies will not be banned from encrypting sensitive

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material. I personally cannot see that either of those two things will

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necessarily hinder the fight against terrorism and that is basically what

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this bill is about, let's be honest. I agree, actually. This is about

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making some concessions to get the bill through, and it is being

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published on Wednesday. And it is a difficult balance, incredibly

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difficult. We want secret services to do everything they can to catch

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terrorists but against that, if you are private individual, the idea

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that people are looking at your internet history, that they have

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access to everything you do online, that is frightening. I am not sure

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that these concessions, you know, will actually go far enough in terms

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of my own feeling that I want my Civil Liberties to be protected. Who

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want them to look at somebody else's emails? Is the Government

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nervous with a majority of 12 with strong-minded backbenchers on this

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issue, for example David Davis, and also what might happen in the Lords,

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given that the Lib Dems have opposed them on an unrelated issue recently?

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In other words, they could be defeated on this very issue. I think

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that is right and there could be more concessions coming as the bill

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goes through Parliament to keep more people on board. The head of a Civil

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Liberties group says this is just a spin and people will be pushing for

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more concessions. This so-called snooping charter is bill was blocked

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by Nick Clegg in the coalition Government, so it is very sensitive.

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You hit the nail on the head. The Government only have a majority of

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12 and they had problems with tax credits last week so they have got

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to tread carefully to make sure they do not stumble into a vote where

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they get defeated, not good news for the Government. I thought there was

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a good story in the business pages. Crisis in care homes World War

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problems in the steel industry. It is talking about -- will dwarf

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problems in the steel industry. It is talking about local authority

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funding dropping and what we will do when they get old and we need help.

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It touches a lot of people? Everybody that grows old! There are

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startling factoids in this spread. The average age of the entire UK

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population is now 40, which puts a spring into a step of a 52-year-old

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who felt old at six o'clock this morning! And UK care homes look

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after 400,000 elderly people in this country. To me, that sounds like a

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tiny percentage of a population of 65 million people. It suggests that

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we are talking into a care crisis further down the line. We are

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sleepwalking into a diabetes crisis because of the overweight people in

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the country. We all grow old but we do not all get fat. It is quite an

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interesting story. It does actually hint at a large-scale problems

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further down the track. I was really struck by this, because we all want

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to grow old with dignity but that might cost a lot personally and to

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the country. And there are interesting statistics in there. The

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number of people aged over 65 will increase by more than 40% in the

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next 17 years. We have this time bomb, an avalanche of people coming

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through, and it looks like there will not be care homes available to

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house them. Let's cheer ourselves up! I thought the best news of the

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last 24 hours was the rugby and the Triumph that the Rugby World Cup has

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been. Not for the home nations. Let's hear it for a World Cup final

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with a record number of points scored. Over 50 on aggregate. Let's

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hear it for a World Cup final where Prince Harry hands over the Webb

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Ellis Trophy to a deserving team. But it was not England! Knocked out

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a month ago. And not Scotland, knocked out by a referee!

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Congratulations to the All Blacks, now claiming to be the greatest

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rugby team in history having retained the World Cup. And

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Australia. When they were down, at half I thought there was not much

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point watching, but they really rallied. A spectacle deserving of

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the tournament as a whole and a terrific final. Are you a fan? Yes,

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I like it, but it kept the menfolk in my life happy for the weekend.

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You have got the pictures on the front page with Harry handing the

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Webb Ellis Trophy to the All Blacks captain. But I actually like this

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picture on the front page of the Mail on Sunday. Two fans. Yes, Mr

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Murdoch and his new partner Jerry Hall at the World Cup final.

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Australian fans. Although Mr Murdoch is an American citizen. Two US

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citizens, actually. It was a great event, wasn't it? Record TV

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audiences, sometimes 90,000 people watching it live and in the

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stadiums, no trouble. Even in the provincial outposts like Exeter and

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Gloucester and Milton Keynes, the grounds were full, the support was

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passionate, there was a great spectacle and some great stories.

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Japan beating South Africa early in the tournament was a terrific hit

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for the underdog. A terrific spectacle and it was a fantastic

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party. Well done to the rugby football union for staging it. Just

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a shame that the hosts and indeed all the home nations... The

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semifinals were an exclusively southern hemisphere domain. But it

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does not take anything away from the fact the two best teams in the

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tournament reached the final and put on a final worthy of it. Thank you

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very much. Sian Griffiths and Mike Walters. Just a reminder that we

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looked at the newspapers every evening at 10:30pm and 11:30pm every

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evening on BBC News.

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