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Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.

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With me are the economist Bronwyn Curtis and writer

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Many papers lead with the downing of the Russian plane

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The Daily Star Sunday says spy chiefs here suspect British Jihadis

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The Sunday Express goes with the same angle, saying that

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extremists with British accents were overheard celebrating the deaths

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Aviation experts in the Observer say it will force a fundamental

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The story also makes the front page of the Sunday

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Telegraph, but its lead is a plan by the EU to pay African countries

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The Mail on Sunday claims that James Hewitt, Princess Diana's

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former lover, has offered some of her private letters for sale.

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And finally, the Sunday Times reports how some

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high profile footballers face losing millions of pounds after allegedly

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You can the front page of the Observer calls for a new Iraq of

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airport security after the latest terror.

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The focus is on baggage handlers. That is not a surprise, is it? No,

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but actually one of the things, when I think about security, every time I

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go through an airport I go off because I have got a metal hip. When

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I don't go off I start to worry. That is where I stand. I have taken

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quite a lot of interest in this, and I wonder, couldn't they take the

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human element out of it a bit more? Couldn't we not have to have baggage

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handlers, and it could all be done electronically? I'm sure that is not

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possible, but one of the things I noted here, apart from different

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baggage handlers and screening, the security needs to be more

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unpredictable and thorough, but I wasn't sure how you would do that.

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More unpredictable, yes. When I was a student I used to load baggage on

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aeroplanes at Belfast Airport and one of the things you had to do was

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lie in the bags up and everybody would say that is my bag, and it did

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not go on the plane unless they did. It was primitive, but you could see

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people picking up their own back. You can't do that now. No, and one

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of the problems is it is a week on since this terrible event, and all

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of the papers had a go at it it in some way or another, but the

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Observer is essentially saying the focus is on the baggage handlers,

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rather than it is going through what looks like rather slack security.

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But we don't really know. The speculation is saying security

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should be tightening up, and the Observer is saying the investigation

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is focusing on the baggage handlers, but the real answer is we don't know

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how this suspected bomb got onto the plane as yet. One paper says jet

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bombers spoke with dish accents -- British accents. That would be

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shocking, but not entirely surprising, given what we know about

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the ability of some of these organisations. That is true, and

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speaking of these dish accents, it says they picked up this chatter

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after the event, but what the paper is not saying is that they were

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overhearing the people behind the bombing itself. It is saying that it

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would not be a great surprise to us to know that certain sectors in the

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Middle East would be happy about it, and some of those could well have

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been British, but it does not necessarily get us closer to who was

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behind the bombing. Some see this as a double or triple hit because they

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don't like the Egyptian government, they don't like the Russians either,

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and in general they don't like foreigners coming into the middle

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east. That's right. There is a lot of speculation. Because the story is

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quite old, it is a very sophisticated, Kathleen planned

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operation. We don't really know that because if the CCTV is not working,

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baggage handlers could come in and out, it maybe they had a chance to

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do it. There are expert smugglers around, and so on, so there is a

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huge amount of speculation, but we still don't know. That was the

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Independent story. It was 50-50 that no one was watching CCTV. There have

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been reports of huge lapses of security that could have let in the

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bomb. There are a raft of questions here, how did they get the bomb in,

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and how was it detonated? Was it done by a timer, or I ate Asher

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device, so when it went to a certain height the bomb went off, which is a

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possibility. Yes, and there is a fear that some of these devices

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don't contain any metal, and that is a big problem because it could be

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the sort of device that does not show up on normal detection

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techniques. The Independent on Sunday is talking about the CCTV

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station being routinely abandoned at this airport, and if that is true it

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is very worrying, but it is more speculation about what is going on

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out there. Also, focusing on the plight of these people who are still

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stranded out there, terrorist may have to wait up to ten days to

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leave. Yes, -- tourists. There must be a reason why it is taking so long

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to get them home that we don't know about. The planes are there, waiting

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to come back. If they are doing it so carefully, they must be still

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worried about the situation. I wonder if either of you think this

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plays into the current political debate about the so-called snooper's

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Charter. Because if this originally came from GCHQ, about what we know

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what went on, in the views of some people, I spoke to some outcome

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Rifkind the other day, some people say that shows just how important

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GCHQ is to our security. Yes, and it is fortuitous for Theresa May with

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her timing, in the way that these events that this out, but we don't

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know the extent of the chatter they are hearing. It seems that it may be

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leading them to believe they know who is behind the attack, but I'm

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not sure we are any closer to reaching those who are behind this

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attack. Moving on to some different stories now. The Sunday Telegraph,

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there will be all sorts of stuff about our negotiations about the EU.

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The secret EU deal for migrants. What they are saying is that the EU

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is planning to pay African countries to take back asylum seekers.

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Interesting, isn't it? Clearly, the number of people coming is just

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overwhelming. We all know that, and they have put aside 1.3 billion

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euros and they are going to pay these countries to take back people,

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but also open up to some people like students and doctors are more

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qualified people, giving them visas to come into the EU and perhaps

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stay. So, visas to start with, but the character that they might stay.

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Will this work? That is a very good question. Certainly, the countries

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will take the money, but will they actually get those people to come

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back and stay? That is a 2 point problem. That's right. Will they

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come back and stay, but also they have got to agree to go in the first

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place. I can't see many people who have come on horrendous journeys to

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get to the Northern Europe, voluntarily getting on a plane back

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to Africa. The Telegraph is saying it has seen leaked documents of this

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plan. I don't think anybody is going to fall for an idea that Northern

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Europe gets to keep the best people in terms of doctors and scientists,

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and handbag people who could be criminals or potential terrorists.

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-- hand back. Across Europe and in Britain, there seems to be an

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outsourcing of our problems. Let's get universities to check on

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students to make sure they have visas, get landlords to check who

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they are renting it to, and now the EU is then let's get African

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countries to take these people back, or give Turkey money to keep Syrian

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refugees there. The question is, is it going to work? Nobody knows.

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Fundamentally, you need to resolve the conflicts in these areas which

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means people are leaving. Until you do that, people want to come to

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Northern Europe. One of the most interesting stories of the day is

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lower down on the Telegraph's front page. For a healthy fry up, consider

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Lars not vegetable oil. This goes against everything we have been told

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for the last 40 years, doesn't it? This is a really interesting story.

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I have been frying in coconut oil for some time, that are supposed to

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be one of the best, but this thing about natural is that, these

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processed unsaturated fats really don't work, but the other point is

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that they have high levels of things that can cause cancer or dementia

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but still the advice from the NHS, and Public Health England, is to use

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those bad fats, rather than what we now know, or think we know about the

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good fats. Yes, so not sunflower oil but butter. But has made a big

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comeback. With all the focus on sugar, butter and lard. He would

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have thought it? Absolutely, different scientists, different

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view. A scientist at Oxford is saying that the trouble with this

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sunflower oil and corn oil is that they are contributing to a drop in

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vital omega three fatty acids in people's brains. I suppose the

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general thing is that if you really want to be healthy is have some

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fruit for breakfast, not a fry up. I don't know how coconut oil tastes,

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but butter just tastes better. I could never eat margarine, I can't

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stand the taste of it. I have always used butter and it does taste a lot

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better when you are using these things. It now gives us all the tick

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in the box to say good, we are going to use this because it tastes

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better. I heard you are supposed to put a bit of butter outside and a

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bit of margarine outside and leave it for a view ours, and all the

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flies will land on the butter because they won't eat margarine. It

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is a good experiment to do! Now, Royal story, Major Hewitt

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selling Diana's letters. I should point out that he did not go ahead

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with selling the letters. He was approached by an LA -based dealer

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who specialised in Diana memorabilia. They are talking about

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some letters from a very early stage in their relationship. He was caught

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at looking at selling them, but did not go ahead with it. It sounds like

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the Mail on Sunday have tracked him down to a two-bedroom flat where he

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lives with his mother outside Exeter, said he is having a problem

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and does have letters which he once boasted he could get millions for,

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so it might not be the end of the story just yet. I don't see anyone

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will be terribly sympathetic with him. No, and apparently the agent of

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them to William and Harry through their solicitors, and they said go

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away. I think most people think this is really old. He has got about 60

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letters altogether, I am told. But nobody is interested, nobody wanted

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to buy them. One minute left, the back page of the Mail on Sunday has

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got Stoke one, Chelsea zero. Jose Mourinho really in trouble, isn't

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he? I think so, that is one of the biggest stories today. That defeat

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yesterday, there is lots of speculation on social media, it is a

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huge problem for him. Chelsea have never done so badly. It is one of

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the big sports stories of the weekend. The big question is, are

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you prepared to give the manager a chance. Alex Ferguson went through

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quite a bad period before he became one of the greatest managers in

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history. Is clearly hugely talented. Yes, he has got the persona that he

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is invincible. But I think it is more that they start to believe, I

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always think people who are famous start to believe their own

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publicity. I am brilliant, I am the only manager who can do it. This

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story we have heard about the doctor, you clearly fell out with

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him. Dick time. Dash-macro big time. She had to go. It has gone badly

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since then. Yes, don't take on the women, that is all I can say. Rate

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advice. Thanks to my guests Bronwyn Curtis

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and Vincent Moss. Just a reminder we take a look

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at tomorrow's front pages every evening at 10:30 and 11:30 here

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on BBC News. Hello, our weather remains

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