15/11/2015 The Papers


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We'll be taking a look at tomorrow morning's papers


The merciless fight against terror promised by the French President


begins as the country launches air strikes on Raqqa,


In Europe, a massive manhunt is under way for


one of the suspected assailants, Belgian-born Salah Abdeslam.


France, meanwhile, continues to mourn the worst loss


of life to hit the country since the Second World War.


And across the world people are paying their respects to


Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers


With me are Joe Watts, political correspondent London Evening


Standard and Benedicte Paviot, France 24 and joining us from


our Paris bureau is Daily Telegraph Columnist Anne-Elisabeth Moutet.


Tomorrow's front pages are looking like this.


Le Figaro concentrates on the challenge President Hollande


faces in responding to Friday's terror attacks in Paris.


The FT says France and the US have pledged to step up air strikes


The Express claims 450 Jihadis are on the streets of Britain


and planning attacks after returning from fighting in Syria.


The Telegraph focuses on the manhunt and says


the suspect was in a car stopped at the border, hours after the


The manhunt leads the Times too, with the headline


Pictures of some of those killed dominate the front of the Guardian.


And the Metro has included a picture of the Eiffel Tower in its logo


Let's begin with the French newspaper Les Figaro. Quite a few


different strands -- Le. Everyone is asking how the president will


respond to the challenge. We have some answers already. What is the


appetite like in Paris for a merciless war against Islamic


State, which is what the president has promised? It is pretty much


something the French are behind. They are very angry. They were in


shock at the time of Charlie Hebdo but now this carnage against the


French people at large, against young people in one of the most


diverse neighbourhoods in Paris, is has really made people angry. We


already have our mutual resources, our resources in Syria -- it has. It


has started already. But one thing about the Middle East is that, if


you go and you appear weak come ID will not be taken seriously. -- if


you go and you appear weak, you will not be taken seriously. You must go


and appear strong. There is a huge bombardment against an Islamic State


camp and it doesn't mean strategically it will change very


much but it will change minds and that is part of warfare. This is


very similar to the 1986 bombardment of Tripoli by the American Air


Force. Libya stopped a great deal of its terrorism afterwards. The other


stance on the front of the paper is that the inquiry will focus on the


network of Islamists, a Franco -Belgian network. Yes and the big


revelation is that this has been brewing for some time. These


Islamist cells in Brussels, it has become a terrorism hotspot. I've


been looking into it this afternoon and reading on it and a lot of


things, the pieces of the puzzle are falling together. When you look at


the structure of Belgium, you find out that Brussels has six Police


Department 's just covering the city and 19 municipalities with 19


mayors, you have a very divided approach between the different local


authorities between police and the intelligence services. This does not


make dealing with these things very easy. We know there is a suburb in


Brussels and picture this, imagine four miles from Parliament, on


Islamist cell is busy being a terrorist camp and that is


effectively what is happening at the moment in Brussels where, Nato HQ


is, by the way, also located. The French president has not only been


consulting people in his own party but also the ex-president Nicolas


Sarkozy and Marine Le Pen and all of this is indicating a very big


Monday, not just for the minute of silence, but also because he will be


addressing a joint session of Parliament and that state of


emergency that is supposed to last for 12 days in a democracy and needs


a lot to be extended, it seems there is a consensus and he will ask for a


three-month extension. So, the question tonight is whether the UN


climate change conference with nearly 197 heads of state in


government and 40,000 people coming in delegations to Paris at the end


of November and beginning of December, still go ahead. The


argument is that it should still go ahead because we shouldn't kowtow to


these terrorists. We will talk about the controls on the borders of it


later but the very powerful front pages we have seen here, like in the


Guardian where we have a number of photographs of people who died, and


it strikes you how young they were, out having fun on a Friday night in


Paris. Absolutely. Many of the papers went with pictures of the


victims and it really hits home just what acute human tragedy this is. --


what a huge human tragedy. There is only one British victim as of yet,


who is known, but it really brings home, away from all the politics and


military strategy, how this affects people there in France and also


possibly here in Britain. We have a front page which came into us just a


few minutes ago, Liberation, and it is a picture that was taken of the


crowd inside the Theatre where that banned from the United States were


playing. We don't know quite when this photograph was taken, it could


have been a very short time before the attack by those gunmen


happened. It is a very moving picture. There were some 15


nationalities, Americans, Chilean 's, Polish... There is an


international response. The Eiffel Tower is being projected, not just


on British buildings but from one side of the planet to the other, and


as the French ambassador said, that is deeply touching and I think the


French people welcome that solidarity in the midst of this


darkness. What is the response in Paris to that show of support all


over the world? The French are very deeply touched about this. We have


been complaining for the past few months about something that every


French politician will bring up, an all-purpose excuse, which is French


bashing. This is the end of that. The solidarity is something that is


very impressive. As you said, there were 15 nationalities. Liberation


has extraordinary 20 pages of reports that they call the


Generation BAFTA: -- Bataclan. They are saying this neighbourhood is a


place where you are young and you go to meet other people. There is a


very strong feeling that France and this way of life has been attacked.


The openness of France, those things that people make fun about it but


that do exist in French society -- make fun of a bit. A journalist


today said France had been targeted because they had a bill against the


burqa and key job and they didn't welcome diversity -- hijab. I don't


think we should find faults in ourselves, the Faulds came from the


assassins who come among us -- faults. Assassins who, if they are


radicalized by Islamic State, many Muslims are fleeing the terror they


are perpetrating in the Middle East. Let's look at the Metro. France


strikes back against the IS. This has already started. Something on


Twitter suggested that if they knew where all these things were, why


didn't they strike before? Many questions that can be asked. Was


this strike planned beforehand and just conveniently fell at this


time? Or perhaps these targets are not terribly important but they knew


they were there and that they could hit them tonight, so they went ahead


and did that as a show of strength. Obviously, the question that is


going to emerge is whether it is part of a wider strategy and what


they're trying to achieve, and how these are going to work towards


that. Those questions still need to be answered once this period of


Capitol politicians have in the wake of this tragedy will be answered.


Martin on Twitter says, this is a war, but it is ISIS. We're not


fighting against a State or a country like we were in World War I


or World II. It is a movable target. And on the front of the


Times, here is one of the suspects and the title is that he's the


world's most wanted. Then the Daily Mail has a picture of him as well


next to an individual who came to Europe from Syria as well. Just


getting an idea of the young men who are thought to have been involved in


these attacks. And the thing is that they call themselves a state but


they are a movement and a group with a very twisted ideology. And that is


why, here at the BBC, it is called the so-called Islamic State and that


France 24 we call them the Islamic State Organisation and I think that


is a very important distinction that needs to be made. It is not a small


thing to say you are a state. What is crystal clear, as in many of the


things that was reported, is that this is a very complex threat and on


the one hand, you have a human aspect of what happened in the six


premeditated attacks on Friday night, but it could've been so much


worse if there hadn't been good security checks at the Stadium, we


could've witnessed spectacular casualties. The system worked very


well. Columnists, not evacuating people immediately. And the G20 is


very portent and quite timely. I'm sure the Foreign Minister would have


made France's views quite clear. It is not just military and none of our


countries want troops on the ground, but how much do we get involved and


how do we do with this threat? And where these people getting the


money. --? The Daily Mail says there were two deadly blunders made. That


one suicide bomber was allowed to come into Europe from Syria regarded


as a refugee, and then sell out the salaam -- Salah Abdeslam was allowed


to get past the border. How much pressure will they be under? There


is a joint session of Congress tomorrow at Versailles and the


question will be how Minority Report you want to get and whether you want


to arrest people before they actually commit a crime. There have


been calls for radical mosques to be closed, not just under survey


loans. -- surveillance. In the very interesting series of reports in


Liberation tomorrow morning, there is one that goes into the


investigation. Whether the Arab and Muslim citizens who live in a


certain neighbourhood want these people put in prison. We have to


remember that there is a majority of French Muslim citizens who are just


as horrified, who were victims at the Bataclan and on the streets on


Friday who don't want to be targeted and stigmatized. They are French and


they want to be on the side of the rest of the country. The Daily


Telegraph is saying that the EU border crisis is brewing as France


demands new controls. I have a message on Twitter that says that


the European ideals of politicians are now in tatters. We need more


controls and more scrutiny of our borders. It will not just been


France where this question is being asked.


France but in Germany. Angela Merkel's popularity has plummeted


since she invited these people to come to Germany. People in her


parties say she has made a big mistake there. Eastern Europe,


Poland, they really have a huge problem with the way the migration


crisis has been handled with by Germany. And immigration is a huge


issue in the UK and it feeds into David Cameron's negotiations with


the EU. That was meant to be the top issue on the EU summit in December.


It is hard to see how terrorism and security is not going to be on top


of the agenda now, but you can bet that David Cameron is going to be


using this to try and get a better deal on the principle of free


movement within the EU. We don't quite know... It is only two days


and we don't know the full picture at all yet. We don't know where this


was co-ordinated... People are bound to be very frightened in France at


the moment. Yes. That state of emergency that was decreed on Friday


night gives the police a lot of arresting powers. They don't have to


go via a judge to go into somebody's house. The French police,


when you look at the way they stormed the Bataclan, they did not


let that fester. They went in there quickly. They did the same thing in


January. There is a lot to be said for that kind of swift and firm


action and that is what Francois Hollande is really going to have to


continue to do. Interesting today, these false alarms. How sad it is to


see people at the Place de la Republique, which became such a


symbol... Everybody around the world saw those world leaders and those


thousands of people marching in solidarity with Charlie Hebdo and


then suddenly we saw these people running on live broadcast on British


television because they heard what they thought at the time were


gunshots. And it is no coincidence that we heard afterwards that it was


maybe fireworks that had gone off. And one person told me there had


been a false alarm and again it was fireworks. Is this people who are


not so subtly supporting the killers and ISIS by actually... How


insensitivity is at this moment to be setting any kind of firework! --


how insensitive it is. People don't want this to affect daily life but


it will, even if it is just because there are lots of army and police on


the streets. First of all, we have seen the army in the streets for


decades. It started in the 1980s with the bombings in Paris in 1983


and then in 1986. 1976, 1978. And in 1995... We have had terrorism for a


very long time. Whenever I take the train to go to Avignon, there are


young soldiers who are there to make sure nothing happens. That is one


thing. The other thing is that I was close to Notre Dame, working at the


time of the mass and there was a bomb alert. We had to go around to


the place we were broadcasting. The police said they would have an


expert in and they would see if it was a bomb or not but the likelihood


was that it was just an abandoned bike and not a bomb at all. People


are going to be jittery. It makes perfect sense to run if you think


that people are going to shoot at you. It may be part of our life but


it will only be panic if we are not rational. We will be jittery but we


will soldier on in the same way. People were not out in the cafes and


so on... There was an amazing feature in Buzzfeed of people in all


of those places that were decimated the day before. It was logical to be


afraid of something. It only becomes a panic if you allow it to make you


give up on moving around the city. Otherwise it is just part of what is


going to be our lives. And 2000 extra spies will protect the UK. The


government is going to have to mount a mass recruitment drive. How


feasible is that? We are seeing lots of figures and talk being thrown


around. We should remember the parallels with 9/11 madrigals top


that was also the case and we had an under pressure and unpopular


president whose people had suffered an atrocity. There was talk about a


war against a stateless enemy. And then we had all sorts of


infringements on liberty, several unpopular wars and the abominations


of Guantanamo Bay, upgrades and extraordinary renditions. -- Abu


Ghraib. There will be a lot of strong language but after that, we


have to reflect on whether we will learn from this lesson and deal with


this in a slightly different way. The Daily Express suggests there are


450 jihadis on the loose in the UK, homegrown terrorist planning copycat


attacks. -- terrorists. Some of them, the argument is, will have


gone to Syria, picked up these deadly skills and brought them home


with them. Unfortunately, there are many things that Britain and France


co-ordinate on and this is something they have in common as a problem.


But I would issue a word of caution. Apparently this morning


about Britain's army of homegrown jihadis, this was made by the


director of the office for security and counterterrorism in a speech


last week. And the details of that emerged only yesterday. And yet this


is on the front page of the Daily Express. I think that this comes


with a very large caveat. But there is no doubt that these people have


gained some skills and the danger is that they are sleepers and... They


wanted to decapitate Lee Rigby and they almost did and I think that the


company -- country reacted in a very calm manner. They are showing the


keep calm and carry on spirit and that will always win fruit. We need


joie de vivre on this planet. We don't want scaremongering. But we do


need the weapons that are needed, and are not just talking militarily,


to face this war we are waging as of now. One final brief word from you,


Elizabeth. We are seeing the rebirth of the spirit of Marianne, the


embodiment of liberty, in Paris and you are very proud of it. One thing


I quote in my column is the 17-year-old son of a friend of mine,


who was taken to hospital. He was shot in the gluteus maximus at the


Bataclan. He was treated but refused to stay at the hospital because they


needed the bed for other people. He told his mother that all he had to


do was not sit down for a week and at other people needed the bed


more. This was the same kind of youths stigmatised for saying that


they use play and they spend all their time on the internet and they


are no good. -- user PlayStation and Xbox. They have been stigmatised but


they are good people and they are the same young men and women of the


French resistance in the 1940s and they are very good young people.


Thank you for joining us this evening. Now, the weather.


Good evening. If you are just off to bed wondering what is in store, it


is more of the same. Slightly quieter tomorrow but this has been


the story over the last few


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