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face seven years banned from Fifa on corruption charges. And David is

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going to box again. That is coming up with me in the next 15 minutes

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straight after The Papers. Hello, and welcome to

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our look ahead to what the papers With me are the writer, Natalie

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Haynes, and James Cusick, political Tomorrow's front pages,

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starting with the I, which has what it calls an "exclusive shock poll"

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showing 52% of the British public US presidential candidate,

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Hilary Clinton, has waded in against pharmaceutical giant

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Pfizer, which wants to take over an Irish company, enabling it to move

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its tax bill overseas, too, that's The Metro leads on the

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Hatton Gardens burglary trial, reporting how the ?14 million heist

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was allegedly plotted in a pub. The Daily Telegraph leads on a

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tip-off ahead of Wednesday's Autumn Statement that the Chancellor's

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going to hand the NHS a ?6 billion The Guardian also has that story,

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that George Osborne is going to provide a significant financial

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injection to the NHS. The paper says the money is

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frontloading a previous Treasury Finally, the Express warns that

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a ballistic missile attack against the UK is perceived as a serious

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threat by Defence chiefs, and that the Armed Forces are "boosting"

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missile defences accordingly. According to The Telegraph we need

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to boost nuclear defence is as well. Islamic State is trying to

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gain nuclear weapons, says Number ten. This is a strange story we have

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been talking about. The opening paragraph says that Isil is trying

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to get nuclear and biological weapons, according to David Cameron.

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There is no other mention of it. And halfway down the second paragraph

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they said there was no timetable, the government published the

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national security strategy which says they are trying to get

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biological and nuclear capabilities. It sounds like that is the least of

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their job. To say that, they might do that... The more shocking

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headline would be saying they are definitely going to. It is about

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security. Is this The Telegraph saying this is a serious threat, the

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word nuclear is out there, we are on the side of those in for attacks in

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Syria. Or is it getting ready for next week? The more cynical among us

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would go through this document and look for the word 45 minutes. Can we

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do this in 45 minutes? The sad thing is that the enquiry is seven months

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away. There should be some architecture around trying to

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analyse this and we don't have it. So we are active in familiar

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territory again. -- we are back in. Al Qaeda and Isil would want that.

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Any disruptive terror organisation would want this. At it is the front

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page... It is what Jeremy Corbyn was alluding to in the Commons today. He

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made the point that, shouldn't we, the nation, be waiting until the

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Chilcot enquiry comes out to find out what lessons might be learned

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before we stumble into a big mass again. Low it takes less in dog

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years. -- mess. -- it takes place. That is the way to do it. No point

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waiting. The Daily Mail. The UK could be at war with Syria by next

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week. I was talking to Colonel Bob Stewart, the formerly go of native

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forces in Bosnia, now in the Select Committee, he says he wants this

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today. -- Nato. This vote. Were already in this bombing exercise, we

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want to extend it to Syria were Islamic State are. The amount of

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influence the UK will have them this is minimal. A lot of this is... How

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can I put this nicely... Is diplomacy and status going on. We

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want to be seen playing our part to. It will be fairly minimal. -- part.

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This is not going to war, ground troops, this is simply ramping up a

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small amount what we are doing. The main concern, if we do this, is

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mission creep. Are we back here in a few months time arguing over that?

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That is what they will have to explain, David Cameron. -- months'.

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I think it will be quick. I think you will get the vote. I think it

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will be fast, as this article says. It is largely symbolic, you are

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saying. But, symbols matter. It is important for the US coalition to be

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able to say, you know, we do have one of the permanent five of the

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Security Council backing us, even if it is a couple of RAF gets dropping

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a few bombs. It is symbolic but that is important to. Elsewhere, David

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Cameron is saying the French say we will be able to use Cyprus. -- too.

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It is a small step with an alarmist headline. It is fed to say that, I

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think. The Daily Mail has a negative front page today. -- fair. It turns

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out you will be at war or he will have swine flu. -- you. What about

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this woman, is she wearing a nice dress? We won't dwell on that. Very

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briefly, James, the suggestion is that Islamic State is 40,000 strong

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in Raqqa. The population in that town is for 100 thousand. The

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suggestion is that if Western troops went in there they would not get

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down in a week, maybe long. -- longer. -- 400,000. I will not go

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through every war that has only lasted a small amount of time, but

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the history is that people will be killed. So... I like. I don't like

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him. (LAUGHING). OK. Where are we? I am

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lost. The Independent. The majority now wants Britain to leave the EU. A

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big change in just a month. Yeah. This question has been asked, stay

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or go, to paraphrase the Clash. It was asked again after the Paris

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attacks and is now 52% would like to leave and only 48 would like to

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remain. That is the first time it has been a majority for leasing. The

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real question is, what can you do with those numbers between now and

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whenever the next all happens? -- leaving. -- poll. This is not

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guaranteed. It is a heavy strategy. I think, if David Cameron backs

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being in and he loses he is finished. He goes. If the vote goes

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in his favour he has done his job, technically, and that would be a

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good time to leave as well. The backlash in Scotland, a referendum

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lost, does not necessarily mean everybody is happy. This poll, the

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first time we have measured this after the summer refugee stuff, by

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the Independent I will say it again, it just shows that this entire

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exercise is by no means finished. -- Independent,. If this lasts a year,

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until June this summer coming, as quick as that, whether he would be

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interested in doing this as quick as possible, but if the numbers are

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like this, they will put it on hold. You have been told June? Well, we

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have already written that but that is beside the point. Who told you

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that? Sources. This shift then, Natalie, is because one of the

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bombers, used a Syrian passport. Is that the idea and part of the

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problem? That is part of its. When we look at these figures they break

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down into an obvious generational divide. 62% below 65 would like to

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go. In the younger generation, that most alarmed by Paris, because they

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tend to be the people at rock concerts, not to disregard the power

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of the... It seems to be at tax on those places. -- attacks. So, it

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seems like young people looking for work across Europe are still keen

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for us to stay. But they do not vote. The whole of the so-called

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referendum debate are supposed to be economic ones. And this probably

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proves that maybe economics is only part of its. That is interesting at

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this early stage. What is going to happen? -- it. Do we return to

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economics if worsens? That is what they did in Scotland, they went

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straight to the heart of economics. In any referendum, when it comes

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down to one of two topics, I don't think we have actually known what

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those topics are going to be. Because he has not got his

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renegotiation yet from Brussels. It is not giftwrapped yet. We have not

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been told what the package is. I have quite a lot to do in Brussels.

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Tidy and wrapped up. Very nice. Let's go to the Times. Jeremy Corbyn

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is still first choice. His hopes have been dashed ousting the

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leader. If your social media feed looks anything like mine it is 50-50

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with people saying, how can this idiot say this? And then, how can

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anyone doubt him? That is how it looks. When you look at these

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numbers it reflects and dutifully. Labour Party members, those who paid

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their ?3 to vote, two thirds of them think he is doing a great job. --

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beautifully. So he has improved from that. Things have become unstuck in

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terms of where that gets us at the very end of this piece.

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Conservatives have a big lead. The highest lead ever recorded since

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2010. The question is, Jeremy Corbyn is doing really well at ten into his

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choir, but is that translating outside of the party? -- singing to.

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One of the lowest ratings on record. I didn't know that Labour's national

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executive is looking at new conduct that could clampdown on criticism of

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Jeremy Corbyn on social media. You were arguing, is this Stalinist or

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Maoist?. Or Leninist. I see social media discussion is often...

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Sorry... There is a sequence of these kind of things. If... There

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has always been talk of a new party. Those who didn't back Jeremy

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Corbyn were going to remain and stay in the game for as long as

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possible. If it is long-term and he looks unable to be ousted for the

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next five years, then, I think the rumour mill of any party... -- a new

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party. All right. Onto the Guardian. Osborn finds 2.8 billion pounds a

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year to combat the winter crisis for the NHS. Extra cash. Yes, and a

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major fear in some of the reactions to this story is there will be extra

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cash for the NHS but will there be a definition of what the NHS is? Did

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we grow in public health and training? There is extra money for

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the NHS, but when you look at the figures, it is not quite the money

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that you get. The frontloading money that was promised during the

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election, not that long ago... The money is there and I think there is

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a recognition that there is a crisis and it has happened quite quick. The

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problem is, do they have to keep doing this for the next five years?

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I'm not sure about that. If this is a 1-off it is slightly delusional.

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People have said the NHS needs more than they are laying out at the

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moment. Osborne has to put his hands in his pocket. That is not what they

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needed the next few years. At least some of this money, a full 820

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million, a surprisingly large sum, looks like it is coming from taking

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away bursaries to fund student trendsetters. You would be better

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off training the nurses straight off. -- training centres. The Hatton

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Garden raiders potted the heist at a pub. -- plotted. Not only that, the

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Guv'nor, the mastermind, used the Oyster card on the number 55 bus, he

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isn't a fare dodger. That is cool. You take the bus on the way to a

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heist. Can you imagine a film of this? When George Clooney gets on

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the number 55. But it isn't a victimless crime. We have to make

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that clear. The prosecution having fun. Some people in this courtroom

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say they were not responsible. I would like to throw that in. Thank

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you very much. I hope the lawyers don't go for you. It was great

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having you in. Thank you for coming in. Stay with us here on BBC News

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because it is time for football and lots of other things.

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