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Hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers

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With me are Deborah Haynes, defence editor for the Times,

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and Torcuil Crichton, political editor at the Daily Record.

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The Telegraph says nearly half of all new homes to be built

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in England over the next five years may be needed to

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The Metro focuses on a Labour MP who received a death threat for

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The FT reports on market falls after the latest initiative

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The Independent welcomes the government's U-turn on court fees.

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The Express says the level of British aid to India is a scandal.

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The Times says military officials warned the government

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not to suggest that 70,000 Syria rebels were ready to take on IS.

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And the Sun has the same story - it says the MoD has disowned what

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the paper calls the Prime Minister's "dodgy dossier."

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That is a flavour of them. Let's have a look at some in detail. Let's

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start with the Independent. Take us to the photograph that is

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immediately captivating on the front, with reference to what is now

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an FBI investigation. We've got the sort of stark image of the FBI

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jacket on one of the investigators, as we've learnt it is now a

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counterterrorism investigation, which has been launched into what

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happened. It is very sort of depressing to see the headline above

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the picture, about the fact that the US investigates its 355th mass

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shooting for 2015. It has a little point that it is not a misprint.

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Striking point. There are more shootings in the US than days in the

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year. Some days they must have known and then some days they might have

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two or three. It is absolutely stunning. This one has a twist. It

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may have a terrorist link that hasn't been quite established yet.

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The reporting of it so far seems to cast the story in that direction.

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Moving on in terms of papers, taking us on to the Times, which reiterates

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that more strongly in the headline. It names the husband and wife team

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who killed 14 and perhaps more in California, said Farouk and caching

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Malik, both from Pakistan, he was from the US, she only married him

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recently, they have a six-month-old child who will be sent to their

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in-laws, the parents earlier that day -- Sayed Malik -- Malik. They

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seemed normal but I suppose if they were plotting something like this

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you would not tell your neighbours about it. In the Garard they found

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pipe bombs, guns, enough ammo to start a small war and they suspect

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it might have been an ISIS terror plot or a radicalised individual or

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couple on American soil -- garage.. Let's stay with the Times because

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the main story is army chiefs want the 70,000 rebels claim -- warn of

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the. You had better have the first pop at this one. This story is

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about, when David Cameron made his case for expanding airstrikes into

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Syria from Iraq last week, it was, he was kind of responding to a

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Foreign Affairs Committee report, which questioned whether we should

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be doing that, and actually cautioned against it. He used this

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figure of 70,000 moderate Syrian rebels who would be ready to take on

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IS with the support of British and other Allied air power. That

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immediately raised eyebrows and the usual critics came out and were

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sceptical about the figure. It kind of became more about the figure than

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the substance of what was being discussed, which was, like, you

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know, this kind of multifaceted strategy to take on Islamic State.

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And I've been told that officials within the MOD were mindful of what

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happened back in 2003, when Tony Blair went to parliament to make a

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case for the Iraq war. And he used what then became the dodgy dossier

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with the 45 minute claim about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass

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destruction. People were worried. They were not doubting the figure.

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They believe there are 70,000, probably more, rebels out there.

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Frankly, they are fighting Assad as opposed to ISIS. They were worried

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about is becoming that 45 minute moment. Lots of people doubt that

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figure, actually. Lots of MPs in the debate yesterday. When the Prime

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Minister introduced the figure last Thursday when he came back to

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answer, you could feel the air being sucked out of the place. They might

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have said 70000 and, people said, what, where, who cracks Mac I

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disagree. -- who? That's different to say that there are 70,000 rebels.

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They are disparate groups. They are geographically spread around the

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country. That was the other worry, that you could get, from what was

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being said, you could have an idea that maybe there is this sort of

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70,000 strong army ready to march on Raqqa, when that absolutely is not

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the case. So, it was very much a concern. Obviously, those who put

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together the document decided the figure, which was apparently

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independently sourced from the independent committee, was solid and

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should be included. I know they're distancing themselves from that

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figure because they don't want to be caught up in the same mire as the 45

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minute warning but they are now calling them the bogus Battalion. He

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did. It instantly undermines the credibility of the case for war when

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he did that -- Bogus Battalion he won the vote. People told him that

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would be the case. I don't know why he went ahead and said it anyway.

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Yes. I was told it wasn't a question of arguments over this, it was

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people voicing concern - is it a good thing to do? Are you making

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yourself a hostage to fortune, being so specific about a figure? It is

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different in that sense. It wasn't as if they believed the figure to be

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false. It was more like the wisdom of making such a big thing about it.

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The political judgement of it. Exactly. He misjudged it. Let's stay

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with that. The front of the Telegraph. Jeremy Corbyn, "making

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MPs terror target" within the party, the Shadow Minister, unnamed. The

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focus on war with ISIS and airstrikes on Syria yesterday.

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Today, it you know, Westminster's been caught up in Labour's internal

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war. And what kind of retribution might come to the 66 Labour MPs who

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voted with the Government. Far left groups, like Momentum, they say they

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should be deselected. Jeremy Corbyn himself sent out the signal, the

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wolfwhistle, I think, when he said there would be, "no hiding place for

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MPs who went against the membership and the constituency." That has led

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to warning from a shadow Cabinet member here who said it you are not

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making us in danger of being deselected but being attacked by

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home-grown jihadis. We had a case of the MPR couple of years ago who was

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attacked in his surgery -- MPs a couple of years ago. A Labour MP who

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voted for the war has been threatened with stabbing and he is

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going to put police officers outside his constituency office. There is a

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darker side to this internal war. We have, however, this evening, had an

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e-mail widely sent from Jeremy Corbyn and to his deputy, saving two

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Labour Party members, you've got to behave. The bullying and

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intimidation has no part to play. It is too little, too late. Ever since

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Jeremy Corbyn was elected as leader it seems as though there has been

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this, sort of, well, I guess it happens with all parties, but it

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does feel a little bit dirty. Politics is a roughhouse. It is a

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Ross Houston. No doubt. There is a massive rift in the Labour Party

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between the moderates and the Communist if you want to call them

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that -- rough house. We have in Syria. We will see it tonight. We

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will see it all the way down line until... And the cartoon. Casting

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some light relief on a very serious topic. We have a Matt cartoon in the

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Telegraph, Labour-Syria split, and we will need a bigger bunch of

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mistletoe this year. You can imagine the Labour Party Christmas... We

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have had an invite to his Christmas drinks, and I think the message will

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be peace and goodwill. But of course. The Financial Times is

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talking about David Cameron's aim to get a deal within the EU prior to

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that referendum. And it might not be quite as early as we work, perhaps,

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thinking. No, Downing Street is signalling, admitting, it won't get

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a deal from the other 27 EU members at this December summit, which David

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Cameron hoped would bounce them into the promise of reform in December,

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in time for our British referendum. He has now been told it is not on.

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One of his main planks is having a band of four years on migrants to

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the UK claiming benefits. Try that in Bulgaria. Try it with any Eastern

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European members, it is not a cell. Angela Merkel has told him he

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European members, it is not a cell. Angela Merkel has told him -- it

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won't happen. Why should it? The EU has to deal with a massive terrorism

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threat and refugee influx. Britain is part of the problem but it is not

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the only problem. He will have to wait until February to get the deal

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through. According to his own people, the referendum has to be

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held here by 2017. Exactly. It is no disaster if it is delayed and you

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can understand that there is a lot going on at the moment in the EU.

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People's attention will be distracted by... If it is

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delayed... The lesson from the Scottish referendum was don't go

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along. The SNP came from 30% up to 45% over the two year period. Out of

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the starting blocks, the in out campaign... They still lost,

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ultimately. There are so many other considerations in referendums. While

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they are about one issue, the popularity of the government of the

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day at that moment can play a big part. And anything can happen. Take

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us to the front of the Guardian, because that paper is reflecting on

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the fact that Oscar Pistorius is now guilty of murder, rather than

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manslaughter. Absolutely, I mean, their story does continues, doesn't

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it? I cannot believe it was only 2- three years ago that this actually

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happened, it feels like this long-running drama -- 2-3. We have

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the guilty of culpable homicide conviction overturned by the court

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of appeal, and now he is found guilty of murdering his girlfriend.

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And, you know, could spend up to 15 years in prison. So, I think, you

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know, obviously, it is horrendous for the families. But also, very

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difficult for him, being in this weird limbo, it kind of reminds me

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of what happened in Italy with the Meredith Kercher incident, the back

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and forth, when you were expecting, would it be appealed? Although

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apparently it is unusual for a Supreme Court appeal to be appealed.

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Apparently so. It is a huge drama that has captured the world, it you

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know? And the appeal judge, one of the appeal judges, just as Eric

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Leach, captures the story in a paragraph, he says, "this is a human

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tragedy to experience abortions, a young man who has physical

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disabilities, reaches Olympic heights, international celebrity, he

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meets a young woman of natural beauty and success, they fall in

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love, romance blossoms and then on Valentine's Day he destroys it all

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when he takes her life." It is just incredible. It continues. If it were

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not realise you could imagine this would be a film script, but sadly it

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is real life and the tragedy is in the midst of it. Absolutely. He was

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this iconic figure, the poster child of the Olympics. And so, for some of

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that sort of iconic status, to fall so low that, it is sad. Thank you

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both very much indeed. A reminder, as well, that you can watch all of

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the by-election special with Andrew Neil tonight at 12:25am, and I

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should say the turnout has come in at 40%, that piece of news has just

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reached us in the last couple of minutes. Now on BBC News, it is time

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for Sportsday. More problems at Fifa

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as two officials are arrested in

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