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Hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers


With me are Deborah Haynes, defence editor for the Times,


and Torcuil Crichton, political editor at the Daily Record.


The Telegraph says nearly half of all new homes to be built


in England over the next five years may be needed to


The Metro focuses on a Labour MP who received a death threat for


The FT reports on market falls after the latest initiative


The Independent welcomes the government's U-turn on court fees.


The Express says the level of British aid to India is a scandal.


The Times says military officials warned the government


not to suggest that 70,000 Syria rebels were ready to take on IS.


And the Sun has the same story - it says the MoD has disowned what


the paper calls the Prime Minister's "dodgy dossier."


That is a flavour of them. Let's have a look at some in detail. Let's


start with the Independent. Take us to the photograph that is


immediately captivating on the front, with reference to what is now


an FBI investigation. We've got the sort of stark image of the FBI


jacket on one of the investigators, as we've learnt it is now a


counterterrorism investigation, which has been launched into what


happened. It is very sort of depressing to see the headline above


the picture, about the fact that the US investigates its 355th mass


shooting for 2015. It has a little point that it is not a misprint.


Striking point. There are more shootings in the US than days in the


year. Some days they must have known and then some days they might have


two or three. It is absolutely stunning. This one has a twist. It


may have a terrorist link that hasn't been quite established yet.


The reporting of it so far seems to cast the story in that direction.


Moving on in terms of papers, taking us on to the Times, which reiterates


that more strongly in the headline. It names the husband and wife team


who killed 14 and perhaps more in California, said Farouk and caching


Malik, both from Pakistan, he was from the US, she only married him


recently, they have a six-month-old child who will be sent to their


in-laws, the parents earlier that day -- Sayed Malik -- Malik. They


seemed normal but I suppose if they were plotting something like this


you would not tell your neighbours about it. In the Garard they found


pipe bombs, guns, enough ammo to start a small war and they suspect


it might have been an ISIS terror plot or a radicalised individual or


couple on American soil -- garage.. Let's stay with the Times because


the main story is army chiefs want the 70,000 rebels claim -- warn of


the. You had better have the first pop at this one. This story is


about, when David Cameron made his case for expanding airstrikes into


Syria from Iraq last week, it was, he was kind of responding to a


Foreign Affairs Committee report, which questioned whether we should


be doing that, and actually cautioned against it. He used this


figure of 70,000 moderate Syrian rebels who would be ready to take on


IS with the support of British and other Allied air power. That


immediately raised eyebrows and the usual critics came out and were


sceptical about the figure. It kind of became more about the figure than


the substance of what was being discussed, which was, like, you


know, this kind of multifaceted strategy to take on Islamic State.


And I've been told that officials within the MOD were mindful of what


happened back in 2003, when Tony Blair went to parliament to make a


case for the Iraq war. And he used what then became the dodgy dossier


with the 45 minute claim about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass


destruction. People were worried. They were not doubting the figure.


They believe there are 70,000, probably more, rebels out there.


Frankly, they are fighting Assad as opposed to ISIS. They were worried


about is becoming that 45 minute moment. Lots of people doubt that


figure, actually. Lots of MPs in the debate yesterday. When the Prime


Minister introduced the figure last Thursday when he came back to


answer, you could feel the air being sucked out of the place. They might


have said 70000 and, people said, what, where, who cracks Mac I


disagree. -- who? That's different to say that there are 70,000 rebels.


They are disparate groups. They are geographically spread around the


country. That was the other worry, that you could get, from what was


being said, you could have an idea that maybe there is this sort of


70,000 strong army ready to march on Raqqa, when that absolutely is not


the case. So, it was very much a concern. Obviously, those who put


together the document decided the figure, which was apparently


independently sourced from the independent committee, was solid and


should be included. I know they're distancing themselves from that


figure because they don't want to be caught up in the same mire as the 45


minute warning but they are now calling them the bogus Battalion. He


did. It instantly undermines the credibility of the case for war when


he did that -- Bogus Battalion he won the vote. People told him that


would be the case. I don't know why he went ahead and said it anyway.


Yes. I was told it wasn't a question of arguments over this, it was


people voicing concern - is it a good thing to do? Are you making


yourself a hostage to fortune, being so specific about a figure? It is


different in that sense. It wasn't as if they believed the figure to be


false. It was more like the wisdom of making such a big thing about it.


The political judgement of it. Exactly. He misjudged it. Let's stay


with that. The front of the Telegraph. Jeremy Corbyn, "making


MPs terror target" within the party, the Shadow Minister, unnamed. The


focus on war with ISIS and airstrikes on Syria yesterday.


Today, it you know, Westminster's been caught up in Labour's internal


war. And what kind of retribution might come to the 66 Labour MPs who


voted with the Government. Far left groups, like Momentum, they say they


should be deselected. Jeremy Corbyn himself sent out the signal, the


wolfwhistle, I think, when he said there would be, "no hiding place for


MPs who went against the membership and the constituency." That has led


to warning from a shadow Cabinet member here who said it you are not


making us in danger of being deselected but being attacked by


home-grown jihadis. We had a case of the MPR couple of years ago who was


attacked in his surgery -- MPs a couple of years ago. A Labour MP who


voted for the war has been threatened with stabbing and he is


going to put police officers outside his constituency office. There is a


darker side to this internal war. We have, however, this evening, had an


e-mail widely sent from Jeremy Corbyn and to his deputy, saving two


Labour Party members, you've got to behave. The bullying and


intimidation has no part to play. It is too little, too late. Ever since


Jeremy Corbyn was elected as leader it seems as though there has been


this, sort of, well, I guess it happens with all parties, but it


does feel a little bit dirty. Politics is a roughhouse. It is a


Ross Houston. No doubt. There is a massive rift in the Labour Party


between the moderates and the Communist if you want to call them


that -- rough house. We have in Syria. We will see it tonight. We


will see it all the way down line until... And the cartoon. Casting


some light relief on a very serious topic. We have a Matt cartoon in the


Telegraph, Labour-Syria split, and we will need a bigger bunch of


mistletoe this year. You can imagine the Labour Party Christmas... We


have had an invite to his Christmas drinks, and I think the message will


be peace and goodwill. But of course. The Financial Times is


talking about David Cameron's aim to get a deal within the EU prior to


that referendum. And it might not be quite as early as we work, perhaps,


thinking. No, Downing Street is signalling, admitting, it won't get


a deal from the other 27 EU members at this December summit, which David


Cameron hoped would bounce them into the promise of reform in December,


in time for our British referendum. He has now been told it is not on.


One of his main planks is having a band of four years on migrants to


the UK claiming benefits. Try that in Bulgaria. Try it with any Eastern


European members, it is not a cell. Angela Merkel has told him he


European members, it is not a cell. Angela Merkel has told him -- it


won't happen. Why should it? The EU has to deal with a massive terrorism


threat and refugee influx. Britain is part of the problem but it is not


the only problem. He will have to wait until February to get the deal


through. According to his own people, the referendum has to be


held here by 2017. Exactly. It is no disaster if it is delayed and you


can understand that there is a lot going on at the moment in the EU.


People's attention will be distracted by... If it is


delayed... The lesson from the Scottish referendum was don't go


along. The SNP came from 30% up to 45% over the two year period. Out of


the starting blocks, the in out campaign... They still lost,


ultimately. There are so many other considerations in referendums. While


they are about one issue, the popularity of the government of the


day at that moment can play a big part. And anything can happen. Take


us to the front of the Guardian, because that paper is reflecting on


the fact that Oscar Pistorius is now guilty of murder, rather than


manslaughter. Absolutely, I mean, their story does continues, doesn't


it? I cannot believe it was only 2- three years ago that this actually


happened, it feels like this long-running drama -- 2-3. We have


the guilty of culpable homicide conviction overturned by the court


of appeal, and now he is found guilty of murdering his girlfriend.


And, you know, could spend up to 15 years in prison. So, I think, you


know, obviously, it is horrendous for the families. But also, very


difficult for him, being in this weird limbo, it kind of reminds me


of what happened in Italy with the Meredith Kercher incident, the back


and forth, when you were expecting, would it be appealed? Although


apparently it is unusual for a Supreme Court appeal to be appealed.


Apparently so. It is a huge drama that has captured the world, it you


know? And the appeal judge, one of the appeal judges, just as Eric


Leach, captures the story in a paragraph, he says, "this is a human


tragedy to experience abortions, a young man who has physical


disabilities, reaches Olympic heights, international celebrity, he


meets a young woman of natural beauty and success, they fall in


love, romance blossoms and then on Valentine's Day he destroys it all


when he takes her life." It is just incredible. It continues. If it were


not realise you could imagine this would be a film script, but sadly it


is real life and the tragedy is in the midst of it. Absolutely. He was


this iconic figure, the poster child of the Olympics. And so, for some of


that sort of iconic status, to fall so low that, it is sad. Thank you


both very much indeed. A reminder, as well, that you can watch all of


the by-election special with Andrew Neil tonight at 12:25am, and I


should say the turnout has come in at 40%, that piece of news has just


reached us in the last couple of minutes. Now on BBC News, it is time


for Sportsday. More problems at Fifa


as two officials are arrested in


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