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the outcome of those climate change talks. With us now to look at the

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papers. With me are Mihir Bose

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from the Evening Standard Tomorrow's front pages,

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starting with... The Observer welcomes the historic

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climate change deal in Paris, quoting the words of the French

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president Francois Hollande who described it as a "major

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leap for mankind". The Independent shows a line

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of dancing polar bears The paper also claims David Cameron

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is to make a dramatic climb-down That story also makes the front page

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of the Telegraph, pointing out the U-turn will be

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on the Prime Minister's central The Mail carries an exclusive

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interview with Shaker Aamer, the British man held

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at Guantanamo bay for 14 years. The Express goes it alone saying

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more than 400 miles of road works will be cleared for the great

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Christmas getaway. The outcome of the talks in Paris.

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Not all of them have gone with the climate change. What is interesting

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about the Observer story, is that while it says it was a major league

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for mankind, it says that temperatures will be rising to a

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maximum of 5 degrees. It does not give any detail of what was agreed.

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And the devil is in the detail. This looks to me like an agreement to

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agree rather than actual agreement which can be implemented or maybe

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invented. I think we are being a bit too... The leaders, understandably,

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are a bit anxious and a bit too ambitious in the claims are making.

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Do you think, Sunny, after Copenhagen which was such a

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disaster, almost anything would be better? There is something to

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celebrate, which is the fact that this was actually signed. But if you

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look at the draft that was circulated earlier today, it is very

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much an agreement that is a first step. Let's not forget that most of

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the leaders who have signed it now have to go back to their own

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parliaments. It has to be ratified. And regardless of -- what Obama has

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said, it may not get through the house. We are going into a election.

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The Republican side have made a virtue of denying climate change

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completely. I am happy that this has happened, but I think this agreement

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is something to be taken forward, an agreement to agree. And India for

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instance says it will still be burning coal and India is a

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developing country that wants to develop. We will have to see exactly

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what India has agreed to do. China has changed tack but what will India

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agree? The second most populous nation in the world. We will have to

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see exactly how it is implemented. In a lot of praise compared to

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Copenhagen, but we should be a bit cautious. I think that is always

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sensible women are talking about getting 195 countries to agree. And

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we don't have the clarity about emissions. You were saying Russia,

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China, Japan and India. We have some clarity on some of these, but we

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don't have clarity on what Russia has signed up for and where they

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will stand on this particular agreement. Yes, it may be signed,

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but where the details may come in, we are not sure. So we should hold

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the champagne for a bit. Isn't this partly about sending a message to

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the markets, to investors, that we are heading away from carbon fuels

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and renewables are the place to put your money? And if the markets drive

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that, we will end up using renewable energy. I think one of the big

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shifts from Copenhagen has been a business signal that has gone out. A

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signal from part of the private corporate world. But we still are

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reliant on fossil fuels to a huge degree and unless that is addressed,

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we will be in the cycle and yes, the signal has gone out, but we are

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taking a tiny step. I am not sure if it is a step or a shuffle forwards.

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And we have to tackle the wider questions of developing crop

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countries, what is the model they are aiming for? Is it the model of

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America, with two cars? But to be fair to America and China, they have

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invested huge amounts of money in renewable energy sources. But they

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have got to understand that for prosperity, you don't need three

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cars. That's other model, we have not gone back from that. That is

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what everybody wants. If you want that, where do you get that? We have

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not discussed that enough. We haven't told you, but we are going

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to get you to cycle home on a tandem! I will look forward to that!

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I will be at the back. Let's stay with the Observer together. Oxford

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and Cambridge condemned over the failure to improve state school

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access. They are under fire from state school inspectors because they

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have not increased state school pupils studying in their colleges. I

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feel I have read the story a few times! We seem to be in a

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perpetual... Groundhog Day! This comes up every six months and I

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wonder where it goes. We get very similar figures, we get very similar

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statements and then it is parked for another six months. So I'm really

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not quite sure where this is supposed to go. Having said that, I

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think there is a case to be made that diverse class rooms and diverse

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workplaces are better for the economy and there are lots of

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reports and studies on that. They are better for business and for

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productivity. Having said that, how do you convince people that they

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should change? I'm not sure Oxbridge will happen because the government

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pushes it? The figures are pretty damning. Between 2004 and 2013,

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independent school pupils still make up two fifths of the intake as

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Oxford and Cambridge. So we still in a society where if you go to a

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private school, you are likely to go to Oxbridge. And if you are going to

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Oxbridge, it makes a huge difference to what happens to the rest of your

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life. Do you still think that having an Oxford or Cambridge degree makes

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a marked difference to people even in 2015? I think so, because it

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gives you that network. You will onto a club and we know, with jobs

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and things like that, if I'm looking for somebody, I will think of

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somebody I know. That is the way it works. It is not nepotism, but it is

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the structure of the world that works anyway. It might be nepotism,

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it might not be. It is problematic because we have our government to

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look at. It does change your life to be from that exclusion Oxbridge

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club. -- exclusive Oxbridge club. But there are more issues that come

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in which a more problematic for Britain in the long-term. Where you

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have something that keeps entrenching itself and we are not

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taking full advantage of the population and the talent that

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exist. But what you do to force colleges to change their intake? We

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have to look at our entire education system because the gap between a

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good private school Andy Goode state school, even a basic state school,

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-- and a good state school, is huge. Is that down to money? We have not

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thought about how our state system works. We need people who have come

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from a not very good state school system and they have been deprived

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from expressing themselves which is unfair. There is something noted in

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the story where the Inspectorate welcomed Oxbridge use -- Oxford's

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use of other methods. That'll be interesting where does take into

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account the point that we don't necessarily, the cultural capital

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which is quite elusive. The confidence, the language that is

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used, that helps private schools students to get through doors. Maybe

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that is the way forward, if it can be used to identify talent without

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necessarily using that. Let's look at the Telegraph.

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Cameron's climb-down on the benefits. It is buried about two

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fifths of the way down in the story. David Cameron is having a dinner

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this week on Thursday where he is probably going to say, I know I'm

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not going to get my limit of four years on people coming from other

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parts of the EU, that they have to wait four years to claim benefits.

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But on the other hand in here, they are saying they are going to park it

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and hope we get it further down the line. Quite confused... The story is

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not very well written in that respect. You would have expected the

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Telegraph to have written it more sharply. Essentially, over dinner,

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he's going to say, you are not inclined to support me in the four

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year barrier to getting benefits, therefore I am willing to give way

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on that and... Not a lot of choice! Probably, if you think about it

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after the meal, we could come back. That might take a long time. But

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essentially, he is giving way. And what is interesting if having given

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away on that, it comes back on him. How does he justify it if he says

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you should vote to stay in the EU. That'll be interesting. I think this

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is a nonstory. This was such an unlikely demand because it is linked

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to a larger issue of free movement of people. It is the absolute

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fundamental basis of the EU. So, then to say that we are not pushing

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it because we didn't think it was likely but we might come back to it,

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it feels as if we are trying to make it sound as if we are having a great

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U-turn, but it would only be a U-turn if there was a lack -- if

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there was a likelihood. Isn't he playing two games, telling them he

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is willing to put it on one side and telling the British audience that he

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hasn't given up. Don't worry, I'm still there fighting for you. He is

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playing a double game. Shall we look at another story on

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Jeremy Corbyn. Another 100,000 new members to oust Jeremy Corbyn.

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Critics who are going to try to flood the party with members who

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would vote out Jeremy Corbyn at some point. They have also admitted that

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it will not happen until 2017. The good thing about the story is that

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they are at least not mentioning the moderates. Until quite far into it

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which I find quite a strange use of the term "Moderate". But I would

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love to know where they are going to find these people and whether they

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will be quite as involved in ousting Jeremy Corbyn. It seems there is an

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internal conflict and on a popular ground... And watchable sees Labour

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Party member standing at street corners of saying a don't you join

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the member ship -- membership. Free membership! I've sadly offended I am

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not be offered free never ship. But you might get the pen -- free

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membership. But you might be a potential leader.

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Can I push you in this direction. Roadworks banished, exclusive. This

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is the political editor who was one of our paper reviewers. She is

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reporting this as a victory for our crusade. They have been mounting

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one, apparently, to stop roadworks in the run-up to Christmas. Do you

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know about those? I had to come through roadworks to come here! So I

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don't know, has it been managed in London or other parts? Typical

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express, this is obviously the story we have all been waiting for! Of the

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more important than the Christmas dinner. But it is interesting.

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Before the Olympics, the talk was that all the roadworks would be done

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and it would all be finished. But it is clear that we are in for a long

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season, several years of roadworks. Obviously we need infrastructure,

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infrastructure is old in London of cities -- in London and other

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cities. It is a hope. Ree. This may be the moment to check your car out.

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Maybe. They were also -- also told that we were going to limit the

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distance that roadworks could go across. They were trying to stop the

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hotspots. The other story on the express is

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trump's campaign Trail. Mixing up a comparison between Donald Trump and

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Hillary Clinton and how much they are spending on their campaign. I

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found this story quite strange because there are some points which

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are quite fair, that he has had 100,000 supporters who have given

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him donations of ?40. But at the same time, we are still in the

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run-up to who gets to be candidate so it is a very odd way of comparing

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his spending to that of Clinton. Different parties. Hillary Clinton's

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spending at this stage it is not really as what -- Trump is doing,

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but to do with party dynamics. If we were comparing Jeb bush who has

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spent 35 and in to date and is really trailing that would be a

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story as to why that is happening. But to compare candidates for

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different parties is odd. You could almost be forgiven for thinking we

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were talking about the presidential race, not the nominations. But the

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story is that because Donald Trump is making these statements, and is

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getting these publicity, he does not need to throw money around. And it

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is his own money. The others had to go out and get the money. Trump is

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spending his own money and maybe he has thought that the more outrageous

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statements he made, the more publicity he gets. When, the last

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time any primary nomination, did the candidate's words affect the British

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political scene is Mac even Boris Johnson made a comment on Donald

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Trump. I can't remember an occasion when a London Mayor commented on

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somebody who is hoping to get his party's nomination. There is quite a

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lot to be said for that and the fact that the police commented on it. So

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it is something, whether we like it or not, if he is running for

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candidate of the Republican party, and in some ways there is a joke

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that if the US president claims to be the free world -- leader of the

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free world, the free world should have a vote on it, which I can back!

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But at this stage is getting a large amount of publicity and his

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statements are outrageous. I will still hold of to see what happens to

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nominations. We are still far away. This does not mean he will crash and

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burn. But running a presidential nomination, it is not enough to have

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a lot of airtime, you need an enormous infrastructure. I am not

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sure he will be able to put that together. But he is a long way ahead

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in the polls? And to think that is getting 35% of the support, even

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though it is the Republican party, not in the election, suggest that he

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is holding in on a sense of dissatisfaction, a sense of anger

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that there is in some of the American public. One hopes that it

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does not extend much further than that, but there is a sense of anger

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and adapt he can articulate it in this fashion -- and that he can

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articulate it in this fashion. He has not burned out yet, but

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everything he says makes him more popular. That is it for the papers

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this hour. A bit longer than normal, which will please some! Sunny and

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Minir, we will see you again at 1130 when we will see other stories

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