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for election and casting their votes for the first time.

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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers

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With me are Mihir Bose from the Evening Standard

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The Observer welcomes the historic climate change deal

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in Paris, quoting the words of the French president

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Francois Hollande who described it as a major leap for mankind.

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The Independent shows a line of dancing polar bears celebrating

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The paper also claims David Cameron is to make a dramatic climbdown

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That story also makes the front page of the Telegraph,

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pointing out the U-turn will be on the Prime Minister's central

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The Mail carries an exclusive interview with

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Shaker Aamer, the British man held at Guantanamo bay for 14 years.

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The Express goes it alone saying more than 400 miles of roadworks

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will be cleared just in time for the great Christmas getaway.

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The Sunday Times claims that the man who shouted "you ain't no

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Muslim bruv" during an attack at an East London Tube station now

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fears retribution from the group calling itself Islamic State.

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Lets you give me that landmark deal that we have out of Paris, it is a

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lead on the Observer, but interestingly not mentioned on many

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of the other papers. World leaders hail Paris deal on climate. They are

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always aiming for nothing more than a two degrees increase above

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preindustrial levels, and they are now looking like they're pledging

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towards more like 1.5 degrees. This article doesn't give you a lot of

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detail, does it? No, it doesn't. The comparison is what happened in

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Copenhagen in 2009, chaos and so on, and we know how often world leaders

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have met on climate change, so in that sense yes it is a major step

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forward. But I think we need to be cautious. The leap may have taken

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place, but I think mankind hasn't landed on firm soil yet. It is still

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up in the air, because we don't know the details, and the devil is in the

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details, and starting with America, most of these agreements will have

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to be taken back to domestic legislature and assemblies, where

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they all agree. India, for instance, have been very resistant to any

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agreement. We will have to see exactly what they have all agreed

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to, what timescale, and already the article he quotes some scientists

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saying it will be difficult to get to 1.5 degrees. What were the

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divisions they started off with? It is a wonder that there is any deal

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at all, isn't it? Yes, I think there is something to be celebrated. It is

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a big deal that we have agreed to agree. There are quite a few targets

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that are very ambitious, one of them that has been spoken about is the

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greenhouse gas emissions being cut down from 46 billion tons per annum

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to near zero within the next 50 years. That is asking for quite a

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lot, giving we are nowhere near close to switching. This is going to

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be an interesting debate, and it will have to go back, and this has

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been hailed as a great achievement. But will it go past the Senate? Or

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even the House? Especially as we are going into an election year, will it

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be parked until there is a new President? Obama claims that the US

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has led this, but there are quite a few issues still to be dealt with.

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And within the Republican Party there are still quite a few people

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that belief we don't even have a problem with climate change. Rather

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than replicating what we have had in the industrialised nations, do we

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have a responsibility to help those developing a low carbon way? The

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question again is what other details. We have a long history of

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these funds being set up, but they are generally channelled back into

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consultants and other countries, back into the developed world

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anyway. How will this fund be used? We don't know. I think we need to

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start mitigating the impact of climate change, and we will need a

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lot more than $100 billion a year. It sounds a lot of money but it is

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not when you think of the task ahead. Moving on the Telegraph,

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Cameron climbs down on EU benefits. The PM is going to have a dinner

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this week with some of his European Union leaders. He is apparently

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going to have it out with 27 leaders on Thursday, there are wonderful

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ideas that apparently his great proposal to make EU... It is a

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strange way of phrasing a proposal that was never considered in any

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detail by any of the year, because free movement of labour is a

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fundamental point. Now he has said, we are parking it in case something

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better comes up. I am not quite sure where this is supposed to be. He is

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playing a double game, he is trying to satisfy the home audience. I have

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been very strict, I am going to negotiate the last line, the last

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limit, make sure we get all the benefits, but at the same time he is

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telling the EU leaders not to worry, I know this is my hardest line but I

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can back down from it. The question is, can he pull it off? A lot of

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people already started saying, particularly those campaigning for

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us to leave the EU, that he has given way already. Even before the

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negotiations have started. The Daily Mail, jihadis must get the hell out

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of Britain. This is a world exclusive. They have been speaking

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for five days to Shaker Aamer, who was held for five years in

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Guantanamo Bay. The paper says he is saying what many Muslims in the UK

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do not say. I think quite a lot UK Muslims have been saying that,

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and around the world, but I think we can park that headline. It makes a

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great copy... I think there are allegations he has made that quite

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problematic. story is somewhere further down,

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they have chosen been aware that he was being

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tortured. He has alleged that the torture he endured was witnessed by

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quite damning. He also says that he was denied the right to make a video

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appeal to stop Jihadi John from the heading British aid worker Alan

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Henning. Apart from the allegations that he has made, the other one that

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he was that he was willing to make an appeal and the authorities at

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Guantanamo Bay wouldn't allow him to do that. That is an interesting

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allegation he is making. We must make it clear that these are

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allegations being made in the Daily Mail, but we have been on the phone

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to the Foreign Office to get a reaction from the government to this

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article. Our Foreign and Commonwealth office spokesperson

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said the UK government stands firmly against torture and cruel inhumane

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and degrading treatment or punishment. It goes on to say that

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the UK does not make use of any so-called enhanced interrogation

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techniques. We have consistently made clear our absolute opposition

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to such behaviour and our determination to combat it wherever

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and whenever it occurs. A pretty clear statement that in response to

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this article. He also goes on to talk about how if you don't like

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this country, if you are angry about this country, why are you here? The

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point here is making a very valid. I would have thought they would be

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echoed by a lot of people, a lot of Muslims and people of all faiths and

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religions. One of the points he makes, where he notes that things

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that are being said by Donald Trump are creating a rift, and that is

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helping the extremists. Let's look at a connected story. The Times,

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this witness in Leytonstone, he shouted out during the attack a few

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days ago. He now fears that his life. It is an interesting story,

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the Sunday Times has obviously spoken to him, we don't have full

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details we only know that he is called John and that he works as a

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security agent. The statement he made reverberated around the world.

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It is interesting, because he says he didn't hear this man, the man who

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made the attack, he didn't actually hear him think it to Syria. --

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link. He didn't even know he was a Muslim, but he assumed by looking at

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him that he was a Muslim. That raises another question as to why he

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thought he was a Muslim. This is not in any way to value the statement he

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made, but why should he immediately jump to the conclusion that he was a

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muslin? That again raises other questions about how we look at these

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things -- Muslim. ISIS has very nicely stated several things, and we

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are buying into these assumptions. It says, he looked to be a

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terrorist, and I would love to know what that looks like. So would I.

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Another story, England and Wales clash in Euro 2016. How excited are

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you both about this? I am very excited, because it will bring

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together for the first time the two nations will clash. Wales have not

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been to an international competition since the 50s. And in Gareth Bale

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they have perhaps the greatest player in the British nation at the

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moment has, and it will be very interesting to see how, whether

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Gareth Bale and a couple other players, like Aaron Ramsey and so

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on, can beat England. England's group on the whole looks quite

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good. I am told that Group E is the tough one to be on. The Irish seem

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to have got the worst of it. Yes, the republic are written with

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Belgium and Sweden, I think. You have been paying attention! The

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Sunday Express, we are looking at how much Donald Trump has to spend

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to get his party nomination, compare to Hillary Clinton. It is

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interesting, because they are trying to convince their own party faithful

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to vote. Donald Trump is spending his own money so he doesn't have to

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worry about raising money, which is what Clinton and the others have

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been doing. Secondly, Trump has worked out what everyone thinks of

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his views, and he has worked out that the more outrageous statements

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he makes the more publicity he gets, so he doesn't need to spend money to

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advertise, he just goes on a news programme and say that they should

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stop Muslims or Mexicans coming in. It is not hurting him in the polls,

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and I think his slogan, make America great again, appeals to a certain

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sector of the community that looks back on a pre- civil rights and pre-

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gender rights days with a sense of nest Ultra. It is a section of the

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population that believes that that was truly great America. How that

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conflates with voting patterns in a country that no longer has the

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demographics of the 1950s and 60s is anybody's guess. I think he's not

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going to get very close to the White House, but that is just me. I hope I

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am not wrong, but I may be. I think this is his strategy, this is what

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they wanted. We have seen this in other countries, politician emerges

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and makes a section of the population feel that have lost out,

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and that the only way they can regain power is by going in for such

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beliefs, that he represents the people who have been disinherited,

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as it were. Clearly, 35% of the republicans are supporting him, so

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there is certainly a block that he can exploit. We have quite a way to

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go, his strategies might change. They start early. That is the Papers

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for tonight. Lovely to see you both. Up next, The Film Review.

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