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Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.


With me are the Independent columnist Yasmin Alibhai-Brown


and the political commentator Vincent Moss.


The Observer welcomes the historic climate change deal in Paris,


quoting the words of the French president Francois Hollande


who described it as a major leap for mankind.


The Independent shows a line of dancing polar bears


The paper also claims David Cameron is to make a dramatic climbdown


That story also makes the front page of the Telegraph,


pointing out the U-turn will be on the Prime Minister's central


The Mail carries an exclusive interview with Shaker Aamer,


the British man held at Guantanamo Bay for fourteen years.


The Express goes it alone saying more than 400 miles of roadworks


will be cleared, just in time for the great Christmas getaway.


The Sunday Times claims that the man who shouted "You ain't no Muslim,


bruv" during an attack at an East London tube station now


fears retribution from the group calling itself Islamic State.


So, let's begin. There is no doubt that a major leap for mankind, world


leaders hail the Paris deal on the climate, it is a big story. Warts


and all, nobody thinks it is perfect, but it is a deal? As you


would expect the Observer, it is covering it in great detail and


trying to suggest that it could be the end of the fossil fuel era and


there will be pressure on businesses and firms, taxing people who use


fossil fuels, fossil fuel companies. The big question is weather this


will happen. There is scepticism, some of which is reflected in the


observer. I really, really hope that 50% of what is promised happens.


Remember, the green agenda has fallen off the Chancellor's wish


list. He has kind of completely cut away from what was being taken


seriously before, because the economy was everything, whatever it


took to push the economy up to the highest speed. The other thing is


that I was in India last weekend, they are very angry with one aspect


of what has happened, which is that the richer countries have created


the mess and most of the worst disasters happening in the poorest


countries, although we are facing them, and they are not getting any


concession on that, according to the deal. There are lots of very


interesting bits. It may signal the end of the fossil fuel era, when I


am talking to climate change scientists they say that this is the


end of coal, it might not be in the next ten or 20 years but it is


particularly coal, it has huge knock-on effect for Indonesia, where


they do lots of coal mining, markets like that, and some people say it


would help if governments did not subsidise fossil fuels. Not only


should the prices go up because of taxation, as has been suggested, but


subsidies still exist. If anything, you would think governments would be


looking towards renewables, but our government seems to be moving away


from that. When you are looking at people like Oracle barman David


Cameron welcoming this agreement, the British Government, at a time


where there have been floods in the north of England which many people


believe man-made, caused by climate change, there is a rolling back from


the things we should be embracing. Some people are sceptical about the


governments patting themselves on the back, how long, you are moving


away from the things that would mitigate the impact of climate


change. Can I throw in a sceptical note, do you think leaders care that


much? Some people kept very deeply about green issues, any people are


more interested in putting food on the table, getting a job, can my


kids go to a good school? But I think everybody is becoming aware of


the changing climate. These floods in the last five years in this


country, nobody can say it is just a course of nature that happens from


time to time. People are becoming more aware, there is something going


on. The climate denying lobby is very strong in this country, in


America, particularly. I don't think this will go without a fight. I


think more and more merry people are beginning to think... When you get a


once in 100 year flood, then another within a couple of years. At is


making people wake up, people are looking at what is happening


literally in their back gardens, this has not happened before,


something is going on. When it was Bangladesh it didn't matter, now it


is Carlisle. Charming polar bears in the Independent on Sunday, but


Cameron's Big E you climb-down is what it says, it has dropped the red


line demand to strip EU workers of tax credits so long as there is


something better to cut migration. Downing Street say they are battling


away. Everybody knew this was bluff and bombast on the part of the Prime


Minister, because he needs to be seen to be saying something to those


wanting to exit the EU and so on. To change some of the conditions which


he seemed to think was easy, everyone knew it would not be


possible. But I find it very difficult, I hated the way the media


uses this climb-down and U-turn. Intelligent politics should allow


politicians to change their minds. And not be cast as cowards all week.


This makes for very bad policy, I think, when everybody is scared of


what the headline will be next. Climb-down, if he is changing his


mind a bit or knows it will not be possible, let's do it intelligently,


don't make it into this stupid headline. I say this about my own


paper! David Cameron always knew this would not be achievable, but


this is the centrepiece of his demand, this four year ban on in


work benefits would never happen, he knew that, he conceded earlier in


the week in talks with the Polish leaders that it would never happen.


Sources very close to the Prime Minister have spoken to almost all


the Sunday newspapers and said it would not happen. It is still on the


table but it will not happen, yet this was the absolute centrepiece of


his reforms, the package of things he would get before the referendum,


it will clearly not happen. Rather conveniently on a busy Newsweek when


you have climate change talks in the resolution, number ten has snuck out


this briefing to say it will not happen. What about all these British


people living in Europe, if there was a tit-for-tat, we have huge


numbers of people working, living and retired in Europe. This was an


ill thought through policy, really. Moving on to the Sunday Telegraph,


hammering's climb-down on EU benefits, the same sort of headline,


but underneath 100,000 new members to oust Corbyn. Jeremy Corbyn's


critics plan to float a Labour with 100,000 new moderate members at a


privately admitting they will have to wait until 2017 to oust him as


leader. How do you flood the Labour Party with 100,000 members. People


either join or they do not. If you do, you are doing something quite


dishonest in terms of democratic principles. You can attract new


members. How will they test? If I want to become a member, will they


say, do you like Jeremy Corbyn or not, will there be a lie detection


test? Stupid, isn't it? I think it is a struggle. The sort of members


that people who do not like Jeremy Corbyn in the Labour Party are


talking about are moderates, as they would describe themselves, they only


seem to be heading for the Exeter under Jeremy Corbyn. The only person


attracting new people to the party is Jeremy Robert. The nub of the


story is saying about people who do not like him in the Parliamentary


Labour Party have given up on the idea that they will be able to get


rid of Corbyn after the May elections next year, it is too early


because his mandate is too big. They will try to add 100,000 new members,


good luck with that, that is an awful lot. How will they determine


what a moderate is? I think the Independent on Sunday, Jeremy Corbyn


is getting more popular, it says, with the Labour Party voters than


less so. It is a mighty mess. There are all sorts of parts to this mess.


The Oldham West by-election, many people within Labour said, we might


not do very well, we might lose. They were wishing that. Some perhaps


worth. They didn't, the boat share went up. That was the first


electoral test of Jeremy Corbyn, which he passed. The next one will


be the May elections, then the London mayoral elections. If Labour


does badly there will be fresh calls to have a change at the top. What


the Telegraph is probably accurately reflecting is given the size of his


mandate, May 2016 is probably too early to move within the grassroots


elements of the Labour Party, and it will take longer than that. The


Telegraph have spoken to moderates and said the only way we can do


this, Jeremy Corbyn wants to change the party in his own image and make


it more left-wing, we will fight that by getting more moderates in.


100,000 new members, theoretically, is a good strategy, but it is an


awful lot of people to attract. Do you ever wonder, if any of the other


people were elected leader, they would still be in real trouble?


Having gone through a fairly catastrophic election defeat, with


the economy picking up, we have heard news this week saying that


despite the problems of austerity, anybody leading the Labour Party


would be in trouble at the moment? It has gone so to the right over the


past two years that sometimes an ordinary voter, which is what I am


on election day, would I vote for Tory-lite or Tory Tory? That was the


choice. I think it is really good. I am not a groupie of Jeremy Corbyn


but I think it is really good that the poor, the people most suffering


under austerity have somebody speaking for them. We have to have a


spectrum of opinion, we didn't have any. To use and think that when


papers make it quite clear they generally don't like Jeremy Corbyn,


that helps him? Lots of people go, oh, those newspapers, what have they


got it in for him, he must be doing something right, because we don't


like newspapers very much? Definitely. Even if you like the


left of centre papers, some of their columnists do not support the Labour


leader. In social media many people say, the papers would say that, of


course they hate him, it confirms their support and reaffirms


prejudices against certain parts of the media and increases support for


Jeremy Corbyn. They will continue to do pretty well among the young and


largely disenfranchised generation. We will see how things progress. If


he does fairly well in May, he might be that 2017 and potentially even


the next general election in 2020. I think this is a cracking story in


the Mail on Sunday, Shaker Aamer says jihadis must get the hell out


of Britain. I need with the last British resident Guantanamo Bay. He


talks about his ordeal but he has a message. It is an incredible coup


for the Mail on Sunday, and David Rose, who has been an investigative


journalist for a very long time. He developed this relationship with


Shaker Aamer over many years, he knows him well and you see the man,


not the semi-destroyed prisoner who arrived back after 14 years. I am


just so pleased he has said this, jihadis must get the hell... If this


man, who has suffered so much, can see that we Muslims, I speak as a


Muslim briefly for now, have a problem with these insane haters of


the West who are amongst the luckiest Muslims in the world,


because at least we live in a secure country, we have some kind of


democracy. Name one Muslim nation where any of us could have the basic


rights we have here? OK, sometimes the state is unfair to us, there is


racism and all of that but, honestly, it is time we spoke up. It


is time we spoke up just to say we are lucky to be here. And if he can


do it, it really helps. I can tell you how much I admire this man for


retaining his humanity after all this. It would be difficult not to


be very bitter to buy what he says he went through. That is right, but


he is talking about the joy of being reunited with his family. It is


astonishing, the Mail and David Rose had spent five days interview Heming


that a great interview him, nine pages. There is a lot of talk about


how he was trusted in Guantanamo Bay and denied the right to make a


dramatic bid you appeal to try to stop Jihadi John beheading a British


aid worker, Alan Henning. All sorts of Revelations. Normally I would be


against any paper having nine pages of a weekly paper with one story,


but there is so much, his torture, capture, the way he was treated and


a real insight into what goes on in the camp. It is not on the front


pages now, but the Donald Trump story, ban all Muslims from coming


to the United States, all Muslims are the same as the predicate of


that. Absolutely. And America has terribly important questions to


answer. It is a poser bastion of democracy, Guantanamo is still open


despite of what Obama promised. -- it is a supposed Bastian.


Politicians like oral Trump get this high. There is an thing quite insane


about that nation. I don't hate America but I sometimes worry about


its sanity. The Sunday Times has another aspect of this team we are


talking about which is the witness to what happened at a June station


in London a week ago, the man who said you ain't no Muslim, bruv, he


says he himself is not Muslim, he says, I know Muslims, I have Muslim


friends, I was just upset with what I saw some I had to let him know how


I felt. It is quite an interesting story, they did a good job tracking


him down. But he is worried now about some of the crazies we have


here coming for him and he is right to be a little bit worried, because


everything was photographed and filmed. Well done, him, really, for


saying what he said and in the way he said it, really. What did you


think when you first heard it? I first saw it on Twitter. I thought,


great, good for you. The simplicity of what he said, and I've lived the


bruv, that is why it went viral. He could have made a serious, sober


speech, and it would not have. It was capturing that youthful outrage,


I think it was brilliant. What did you think? Weldon to the Sunday


Times and Josh Boswell, the byline, for tracking down this chap who


seems to be a security guard from North London. As Yasmin said it is


worrying that he is worried about having his surname revealed, he is


only named as 39 you wrote John, he is worried about the way his words


went viral ads were such a robust to Isis that he is worried he is a


target. He says that he knows Muslims, they are overwhelmingly


good people, but he is worried for his own security cost of the nature


of how things are these days. Let's end with the Sunday express, protest


at Trump's pledge on migrants and roadworks banished, victory for the


traffic Crusaders as the Minister clears 400 miles of road for


Christmas. Don't hold your breath about not getting caught in a road


problem this Christmas, I would not bet on it. The Transport Secretary,


Patrick McLoughin, is saying he is doing his best to make sure there is


no disruption. Let's see what happens over Christmas, there are


usually problems with the railways in various forms of transport. It is


a great British institution to have Christmas chaos. Every road in


London seems to be being dug up. The road around the corner from me is


dug up three times a year, I don't know why! It is a relief not to read


about Diana or the weather... Oh, hang on, we have it. Just to end on


Donald Trump, he remains the Republican frontrunner. America has


not begun to focus yet? It takes quite a long time before we come to


thinking who they will vote for rather than who they like listening


to on television? What Trump reflects, most Brits, when they go


to America they can go to New York or California and meet quite


sensible and intelligent people, without being hugely regionalist.


But it is these flyover states, the South and other places where Donald


Trump is attractive. We might think that is bad, but he is very popular


in a big chunk of America. We must not be too Sanogo. The Tea Party has


fizzled away, but he is speaking to the American tea party lost, they


hate the government, they hate outsiders, more and more weaponry.


Maybe this is how democracy is let off steam, he says what people


think, but people like dig Cheney say that he does not think like


that. People within the Republican establishment... Dig Cheney said


that?! Yes, he said it was un-American to suggest adding


Muslims. This might be the first time you have agreed with dig


Cheney! I can't speak! We will leave it there.


Thanks to Yasmin Alibhai-Brown and Vincent Moss.


Just a reminder we take a look at tomorrow's front pages every


evening at 10:30pm and 11:30pm here on BBC News.


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