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bit about you and if I can do it, so can everyone else. That is all for


now. Now it is time for a review of the papers.


Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of THE PAPERS.


With me are Ian Birrell and Mina Al-Oraibi.


The Observer has a picture of the flooding crisis,


showing a street submerged in West Yorkshire and reports that


The Sunday Express leads with the flooding, calling it


"The Day Britain went under" is the Mail on Sunday's take


on the same story - the paper reports that Britain has


been hit by its worst floods in decades.


The Human Rights Act is holding back British troops in Iraq


and Afghanistan, according to Defence Secretary Michael Fallon,


Meanwhile claims on the front page of the Independent on Sunday


thatthe Conservatives are set to, as the paper has it,


"attack local democracy" by banning councils from divesting themselves


And the Sunday Times says a Knighthood due this week


for David Cameron's election chief, Lynton Crosby, is set


Let's begin. No doubt about the front pages, the Mail on Sunday, the


day Britain went under and this extraordinary picture of streets


turned into rivers. The footage is amazing, a terrible thing to happen


this time of year, at any time of the year but to give really now. It


raises a lot of interesting issues given the fact that seems to be a


preponderance of this happening, some homes head for the second or


third time in a decade, rivers at record levels. Obvious issues, we


are told climate change will lead to extreme weather conditions, you


can't end .1 particular incident but there seems to be issues here,


whether we are building the right flood defences, the government cut


flood defences by 14% this year, the wider issue which for a lot of


people, given over ?5 billion a way to resolve climate change abroad at


the same time we are spending less than half of it in this country. A


lot of interconnecting issues, the immediate issue of getting people


out of their homes and making them safe and comfortable, and then what


should we spend the money on? Do flood defences work? Are they the


right type. Especially because as Ian says it is becoming more


frequent and we can expect more of this to happen in the coming few


weeks and months before the next season hits. In terms of planning


and spending it's about flood defences but how are the homes being


prepared, how much warning people being given? Surely some of these


evacuations should have happened in advance, 10,000 homes without


electric and we don't know why not service will get back. In terms of


government preparation, it's about the immediate but it's unclear what


has been planned for the next few weeks. I think one of the main


issues is the fact that red alerts... There are two red alerts


from The Met office, when they were issued, could it have been done


earlier and the questions are about reparation. Where do you see the


supposed climate change debate? Is there a debate any more? I know some


people don't believe climate change causes global warming but is that a


marginal activity? In Britain and America there is a serious body of


opinion that doubts that despite the pattern is that we are seeing and I


think that's a problem. It's not a question of whether it climate


change but it's a question of whether it's man-made that is a part


of it and you can't say this is down to climate change but there seems to


be more extreme weather conditions which is what we were told to


expect. It raises issues about house-building. What way are we


building them? Is there a problem with farming? What about trees and


the higher ground? Are we doing the rights of the flood defences, or are


they channelling the water down. Dredging is another question, is it


good or bad? That's interesting. Most of us think of flood defences


as big walls round rivers but perhaps there is a different way,


more trees upstream for example. There's also the argument of pushing


the into other places, if you allow it to me and there is less problems


with flooding. You have lived in the United States for the last few


months, four is the debate about global warming and climate change?


Has it changed? It's election season, you see much more division


between the Democrats and the Republicans. It's changed in the


sense there are more and more people saying the sciences they are but


it's a question of what can be done. The focus is on China and India, the


US feels like it's the good guys, we are doing enough. We have seen crazy


weather. At the moment, it is so warm in London, I was just in


Connecticut and New York, it's incredibly warm for this time of


year, the changes are here. I think less people are discussing when


climate change comes, now it's here, what do we do? We had the Paris


Conference and they fail to come up with concrete action, but it was


encouraging people came together and recognise the scale of the problem


and came up with devices to work more on renewables. The Sunday


Times, a knighthood for a Cameron's election chief Lynton Crosby. This


award will provoke a fresh row over cronyism in the honours system. If


the story is correct, they are right, there will be a row. How is


this for public servers, what is the point of the honours system? This is


supposed to be someone who has given something the public good,


recognition of something towards the entire country, hard to see for a


Lynton Crosby comes into the argument. He ran an amazingly


successful campaign. I am not sure he wondered, Prime Minister one at


by remaining a moderately likeable figure in a fervent political


situation. All he did was help impose discipline, he is slightly


overrated for what he delivered but I think the truth is most of the


public knows the sleuth exists at all level of the honour system,


whether it's funding, are people getting political appointments. It's


one more reason for the corrosion of faith in politics but it's not


surprising. It would be more surprising if there was not a crony


row with the honour system whoever is in government. Maybe we should


make it over at, you pay half a million, you get a million -- you


get a peerage. Maybe we should just do that? I thought it was pretty


overt Don Reading. Not peerages. There is another way you could let


people get perks. The story is amazing, they referred to David


Cameron's her dresser forgetting an MBE, we missed that. Every year we


have something. It keeps the newspaper is busy. I suspect the


public will be more interested in Barbara Windsor getting a Dem heard.


She has cheered a sub for decades. The Telegraph, two interesting


stories. Ministers suspend the Human Rights Act, troops being held back


in the fight against terrorists, says the Defence Secretary. He talks


about fixation claims being taken out against soldiers. This also


focus on shoot to kill and for protection the police have this is a


tricky area regardless of what you think of the Human Rights Act. It's


one of those issues that has different facets. Partly it's about


what the government thinks about being part of the European Union,


the Bill of Rights. That is one issue. I think this is being


politicised in that sense, the troops and the army are hugely


porting to the contrary. It is an argument that can win over support


to get out of the European Convention. Having said that, we are


witnessing around the world, especially when it comes to


countries like the UK and US, questions about rules of engagement


and what happens in times of war so I think it's important to have


accountability and raise questions. The problem is when you have certain


investigations, the UK spend ?100 million since 2000 and four and


investigations in compensation elated to misconduct during war.


Some people say this is about money and lawyers but at the same time we


have to have these questions, we have to have public enquiries and we


have to keep holding those that hold the guns to account. I think it's


one of those arguments that need to be made, if you have a British bill


of rights how does that secure whoever is the innocent person or


civilian... How different would it be from European legislation, given


that the British was one of the driving forces behind the


legislation in the first place. Not just the British but the


Conservative Party, it was Conservative backed, inspired


Churchill and pushed forward by the Conservatives. The British Bill of


Rights would probably have many of the same protections within it. What


it wouldn't have... Compare the money spent on the investigation


into Bloody Sunday, this is not a huge summer and it's right that


people should be held to account, you have to be able to hold people


to account, it's like the culture in the NHS, if people make mistakes


they should be dealt with. It's the same here, the question is how do


you have the best system to do it? Whether they should be


accountability? That brings us to my favourite story, the Sunday


Telegraph, British couple first cloned hobby from dead dog. An


estimated ?76,000 to a South Korean company. What do you think? You are


dog lover. You know... Will be tied anyone who said they weren't. It's


incredible, I think, you spend six to ?7,000 to get a cloned version of


your dog. I have had a dog and much as I loved it, when it went, you


just wait and then get another one. -- ?67,000. I am sure they are happy


with the new puppy. It is a cute puppy. It is called Dylan, nice


name. I find this difficult because I believe in the soul. Even if you


have physical attributes you cannot ring the soul back. I think this


puppy is gorgeous and cute... I don't know, the South Korean


company... Of course don't have a soul. Disturbing bill-macro Dylan


have a soul? -- does Dylan? Now to a long-running story... Christian


genocide warning, dozens of MPs and peers calling on the government to


talk about the persecution of Christians in Surrey as genocide,


something that religious leaders of all faiths have touched on in the


past few days. Of course, it comes around Christmas time, we are


thinking about Christians and this is where Christianity came from and


we see Christians under attack but it's not just in Syria, we have had


it in a rack and let's not forget Bethlehem and what happens in


Palestine. There is something to be said about the right place of


Christians in the Arab world and the Middle East and the protections that


they need. Having said that, what is happening in Syria, there is mass


killing on many fronts and many different sides are responsible. I


think the use of the term genocide itself has to be used delicately.


What is this are doing is not just attacking Christians and the Yazidi


people, they are attacking others. We have to be cautious about not


saying we need to protect the script and not another group because that


feeds into what extremists from all sides want. It's a kind of equal


opportunity slaughter to anyone who gets on the way but the Archbishop


of Canterbury said Christianity might become a stranger to the land


of its birth in the Middle East and that is something that worries


people, not just the Christian faith but other faiths. I get slightly


uncomfortable focusing on one community, given the horrors that we


have seen unleashed on various communities. There is a


casualisation of the word genocide which we have seen in recent years,


community leaders and church leaders jumping up and down further


favourite cause and using this word which should be used carefully.


There have been huge, historic atrocities that are unanswerable. I


think it's too easy to call things genocide and again... Here it is,


not divisive at focusing on one section, when there is horror


perpetuated on so many communities from atheists through to gay people,


through to all the different religions, moderates, even within


the Sunni Muslim faith. There are atrocities all round and it's wrong


to focus on one group, however horrid and horrific some of the


things have been. Let's move on to the Observer, a troubling story,


mental health patient sent to accident and emergency, troubled


children added to the burden and concerns about lack of out-of-hours


care. How those with mental health issues are treated differently from


those with physical health problems and it's become a long-running sore.


It's been underfunded, the Cinderella of the National Health


Service, what's quite good in the last two or three years is


politicians, to give them credit, they have woken up to this. On all


sides, you see people raise the issue of mental health as being one


of the real failings of British health care and social care. It


shows the story underlining it, there is too little money going into


it, simply for the Vic TPC Sawgrass, too little on offer, too many


frequent closures but I get the impression that within society we


are beginning slowly to wake up to the fact that mental health is as


big a problem as physical health and needs to be treated in that way. One


of the interesting things is how many people, politicians,


entertainers, have talked about their own mental health issues, like


depression... It's now part of the conversation. The issue of stigma


with illnesses, further physical or mental... Politicians and


celebrities can raise the profile. You remember a time when people


would not use the word cancer. It's the same thing with mental health,


if you said you had any form of depression, it's almost like a


handicap and people don't want to talk about it. What is important


about this story is that increasingly, honourable young


people under the age of 18 field they have nowhere to go except A


and they are being pushed their under -- after 5pm. Anyone in a


distressed state suffers enough, think about being under 18 and going


through that, what about those who shy away and will not go there? It's


about community support, what sort of support can we give through the


NHS but also not three A? Quite a complicated story in the


Independent, the Tories planning an attack on local DeMarco C, local


authorities diverse team themselves of unethical funds, -- local


democracy. It's a bit of a generic headline but there is something


interesting, the government has the right to tell local authorities and


communities that they can cannot invest in certain companies that


they see as unethical and of course, for the anti-apartheid movement,


this was such a big part of the campaign, an important part of


recognising that taking money out of anyone who helped a business problem


the apartheid regime, we saw some things going on with arms companies


and tobacco companies but what this is about particularly is Israel,


Palestine and the Middle East. That is why it's an interesting story and


it will be very contentious if it goes through. It's hugely important


because of the apartheid message. Local people who care about these


issues, they want to have a voice feel the government is not listening


but this be local councils are. -- the anti-apartheid message. This is


going to be a big story. There's also an interesting philosophical


issue, whether they have the right to to the community in that area and


that way. Should they be involved in foreign policy debates? A lot of


interesting issues. Interesting. Thank you both. A reminder that we


will take a look at tomorrow's front pages every evening at 10:30pm and


11:30pm right here on BBC News.


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