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Here's Gavin Esler with the papers. so it has changed a bit.


Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.


With me are Independent columnist, Yasmin Alibhai-Brown,


and Peter Kellner, President of polling organisation


The Sunday Express leads on the announcement that


a new "supergroup" will be unveiled this week -


uniting voices calling for Britain's exit from the EU.


A key adviser to Margaret Thatcher - Lord Powell - believes the former


Prime Minister would have supported David Cameron's Brussels deal.


That's according to the Sunday Times.


The Observer fears Government plans to restrict council homes


for the very poorest will mean that tens-of-thousands of families


The Sunday Telegraph leads on a letter it's received from more


than 40 Conservative Party Associations, "angered" it says,


by David Cameron's instruction to Tory MPs to ignore their views


The Mail on Sunday claims that the Help for Heroes charity


is being investigated by the charity commission.


Finally, The Independent on Sunday dedicates its front page


to the efforts being taken to tackle obesity, but criticises the policies


of both the NHS and the Department of Health.


Show respect Tories tell PM, the Sunday Telegraph warning David


Cameron Diaz no divine right after the EU is not. It's an interesting


story because it's one of those stories about the Westminster


relate, and people who knock on doors within the country it also


shows the cracks in the Tory party at every level. I think this


genuine, heartfelt difference between those who want to leave and


of staying. I've felt the fried of staying. I've felt the fried


minister this time -- I felt for the minister this time -- I felt for the


Prime Minister this time, because he has to defend whatever he brings


back. There is a section of the party that will never accept the


deal. If there is a vote that says deal. If there is a vote that says


yes, which is what the opinion polls say yet, but they will not accept


it. Yes. Within the Conservative Party, a great deal of activists


feel strongly on this are really about Europe. I've spoken to David


constituency, and the most constituency, and the most


fascinating part of the evening was fascinating part of the evening was


when I talked about Europe and you saw this upsurge of hatred of the


European Union. So David Cameron has this problem in his own backyards.


Whatever side you take on the issue, the Telegraph says there's a classic


demonstration of the views of the famous old Tory on the 18th century,


Edward Burke, that Tories should think for themselves, and MPs should


be delegates at there own activists or voters, making it different from


each other. Wherein a rip -- representative democracy and in this


seat you've handed over your responsibility. Now with the days of


Twitter and the idea that every single one of us should have our


views taken to mean something, is -- it's becoming possible. When we've


done polls we see voters thinking simultaneous. They want MPs to think


themselves and also to do what local voters say. Can I ask you about the


opinion polls on this issues, because we've seen 6% ahead, 9%


ahead for no, do you think that's broadly right? Do you think that


anybody apart from those actively involved in this has actually


focused on it? I'm wondering... We've done the one poll since the


announcement of the terms on Tuesday and this shows quite a sharp move


from yes to know, with a 9-point lead, but the people saying they


want to come out. This was in the middle of the most extraordinary


media onslaught on David Cameron and I think we will see quite a lot of


movement. I wouldn't like to predict the result. I think there's been a


sharp movement away from the EU in the last week or so. Such madness. I


remember having an argument on another channel, and the person was


an incredibly intelligent Oxbridge person, who said we want to take


control of our own laws. So give me an example of which laws, I said?


Which is handed over to the EU. And this is the impression, but when you


ask for examples and actual details then there are none. You might find


your self in the same uncomfortable position as Mrs Thatcher! She would


vote yes. Are we going to get more stories that Winston Churchill would


have said yes? How would you know! ? In a sense, this is nonsense, but


what it does do is make Lord Tebbit very angry. In the Sunday Times,


Margaret Thatcher's closest adviser who sat at her side through those


Brussels debates and arguments are negotiations, it doesn't mean he's


absolutely right that it does mean that we should listen to what he'd


say with some seriousness. Full. -- Thatcher was a pragmatist she sussed


the situations, but what I do think, I'm actually very, very angry with


the EU at the moment. The way they are treating the refugee crisis,


asking Turkey to take more refugees but sitting tight and not doing


anything. At the end of the day, somebody has got to see why it's a


good thing to be in the EU, and nobody is doing that! The male has a


slightly different take on this -- the Daily Mail. They think people


should get off the fence and get out and lead people. I'm underwhelmed by


the story. Pretty Patel is not a Cabinet minister. She is a middle


ranking minister who was invited to sit at Cabinet meetings. Possibly,


because it raises the proportion of women and ethnic and received people


sitting round the Cabinet table. Argue saying we're no good? We're


just been brought in here? I agree with you about pretty Patel, but I'm


just reminding you! I'm not being specific! If this is the best the


outers can do this weekend and there in trouble. We going to be pursuing


the EU for a couple of months there. H six the Observer. EU chief spells


problems with quitting. Curbs control over staff and that's a


criticism. Let's look at this. Peter Cruddas is a serious player in the


Brecht said it can. He's had to put out a statement as a company warning


that Brecht sits might damage their own companies and their profits. One


of their big donors is saying actually it might be a risk. The


point is none of us can be certain what the economic consequences of a


Brexit would be. I dating you can prove it would be a disaster, Aubrey


that it would be beneficial. The point is, is there a risk in exit?


-- Brexit. And Peter Bosz-mac I'm company is saying, actually there is


a risk! This shows the it's more than an emotive issue than one back


by evidence, because it there was some sober consideration, maybe


those who would want to leap would reconsider. It's now become such a


hot, emotional issue, to do with something visceral and something


inside. Isn't it always going to be like that? We remember the Scottish


independence campaign the facts were always in dispute. You're going to


be ?1400 better off the year, or ?1000 better off this way. There's


plenty boiling the North Sea etc. You're to remember -- you're far too


young to remember the referendum in 1975. It made no difference. People


basically base their views on the people they respected. They couldn't


decide whether the wanted the same side as Tony Benn, Enoch Powell, Ian


Paisley. You're getting this speech, what would bodies do? What will


Michael Gove do? Bottle Theresa May do? -- what will Theresa May do?


That turns things on its heads because you would normally decide


the facts and then decide who you want to support, but you're saying


you would choose who you like and then their facts? It's not even the


person, although David Cameron brings out some pretty violent


reactions within his own party, it's to do with this emotional, gut


reaction. They have controlled us and we are going to be free.


Actually nobody has talked enough about what Scotland will do next if


this goes ahead and say we do late, most people in Scotland are


pro-European, so will this give that energy to the SNP and a move towards


independence? We had to look at the much bigger picture, this thing


that's coming at us quite quickly, the referendum vote. Let's have a


look at the Observer. Working families being forced out of council


homes, front page of the Observer there. Tenants will be forced to pay


market rents, it will hit 60,000 households. What you make of it?


Let's look. Some people, not many, but some, are pretty well off and


live in council homes on subsidised rent so not a lot of people will


have sympathy. If you are fairly well of you shouldn't receive


subsidies, so 40,000 or more in London, ?30,000 more outside London


but what this analysis is saying is that there will be quite a lot of


people who are just over the limits, so 31,000 out in Birmingham or


Manchester who, given the current state of the private rental market


and the rocketing rents would actually find themselves practically


in pen Yury. It won't affect the people on low or high incomes but in


the middle, there a fairly crucial group who could suffer from this


change. These were the ones who are being courted, the hard-working


strivers. They were being courted by the Conservative Party. The rents,


London rents, Birmingham rents and certainly rents in our city have


rocketed! I don't know how anybody on 30- ?40,000 could afford. If you


have two children and you need a two bedroom house with the children


sharing, you could not pay the rent. I don't know the details of this


story, but it is fairly obvious, I don't know if you've done any


polling on this, Peter, but it is now impossible for young people to


afford the fairly modest stream of having a home of your own. It seems


to have died or people in London, and not just in London. You are


right because this move towards higher house prices, when I was


growing up, it was normal for people of my generation with reasonable job


is to buy their first time in their 20s. That is now the exception.


People are renting and living with their parents until they are 30.


There are a lot of countries with a healthier housing market you, you


could argue, where people link -- rent for longer. But in order to


have that you need lower rents, better homes, and you need to make


it financially attractive proposition to rent. We don't have


that. I don't have a lot of time for young people from middle classes,


including my own children, who moan about this. I don't have time for


that, because actually, the bigger crisis is for those families who


haven't got any capital and never had to have -- have had, and who


have worked hard. Those young people and these families, we should be


focusing on them. If our kids can't afford to buy properties until their


40, actually they will be OK. But, Yasmin, I agree with the sentiment,


but the problem is if you try and tackle it as individual issues as


the Government has tried to do with support for first-time buyers... The


problem is we don't have enough homes. If we had a bigger supply of


homes a lot of things would go away their own accord. That's the crisis!


Bit, pics story of the week, humanitarian disasters loom in


Aleppo as rebels are cut off. Aside and Russia are doing this -- Bashir


Assad and Russia are doing this to their rain people. It started with


15000 and the last I saw it was 30 5000. Now Turkey was saying it would


accept them but isn't opening the gates. The EU is acting shockingly


on this, including Britain. We think we campaign Turkey money to take our


responsibility away from us. I don't what's going to these people. All


credit to the Observer to putting it on the front page and 24 pages


inside. This is responsible journalism. Most people don't really


want to read about it but it's important, and the story it tells of


the people in Aleppo are horrifying. The one thing I would pick out,


where it says 100,000 people from Aleppo are likely to want to get


into Turkey, and then it says that Turkey might not be able to open the


doors. They then might pay sharks to take them across to Greece, see the


initial latch -- reaction might be, thank goodness. But the second


reaction will be, for heaven sake, if we don't do something for these


people in region, we are storing up a massive trouble in the months and


years ahead. We got 20 seconds left but we need to look at the last


headline Crafty Fox... It's About Ranieri. 5000-1 To Win, For


Leicester. I Hope It Was My Son Who Put That Bet On. Isn't It Wonderful,


And I'm An Arsenal Fan, But Somebody Other Than Arsenal, Chelsea, The Two


Manchester Jobs, Tottenham, Some Of The Club Is Up There Challenging?


Doesn't It Make Football So Much More Exciting? Vardy Used To Read


Roy of the Rovers. That's it for the papers. Thanks to our guests.


And then to try and start unhappy night because there is some sunshine


out there. There's also some showers


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