07/02/2016 The Papers

Here's Gavin Esler with the papers. so it has changed a bit.

Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.

With me are Independent columnist, Yasmin Alibhai-Brown,

and Peter Kellner, President of polling organisation

The Sunday Express leads on the announcement that

a new "supergroup" will be unveiled this week -

uniting voices calling for Britain's exit from the EU.

A key adviser to Margaret Thatcher - Lord Powell - believes the former

Prime Minister would have supported David Cameron's Brussels deal.

That's according to the Sunday Times.

The Observer fears Government plans to restrict council homes

for the very poorest will mean that tens-of-thousands of families

The Sunday Telegraph leads on a letter it's received from more

than 40 Conservative Party Associations, "angered" it says,

by David Cameron's instruction to Tory MPs to ignore their views

The Mail on Sunday claims that the Help for Heroes charity

is being investigated by the charity commission.

Finally, The Independent on Sunday dedicates its front page

to the efforts being taken to tackle obesity, but criticises the policies

of both the NHS and the Department of Health.

Show respect Tories tell PM, the Sunday Telegraph warning David

Cameron Diaz no divine right after the EU is not. It's an interesting

story because it's one of those stories about the Westminster

relate, and people who knock on doors within the country it also

shows the cracks in the Tory party at every level. I think this

genuine, heartfelt difference between those who want to leave and

of staying. I've felt the fried of staying. I've felt the fried

minister this time -- I felt for the minister this time -- I felt for the

Prime Minister this time, because he has to defend whatever he brings

back. There is a section of the party that will never accept the

deal. If there is a vote that says deal. If there is a vote that says

yes, which is what the opinion polls say yet, but they will not accept

it. Yes. Within the Conservative Party, a great deal of activists

feel strongly on this are really about Europe. I've spoken to David

constituency, and the most constituency, and the most

fascinating part of the evening was fascinating part of the evening was

when I talked about Europe and you saw this upsurge of hatred of the

European Union. So David Cameron has this problem in his own backyards.

Whatever side you take on the issue, the Telegraph says there's a classic

demonstration of the views of the famous old Tory on the 18th century,

Edward Burke, that Tories should think for themselves, and MPs should

be delegates at there own activists or voters, making it different from

each other. Wherein a rip -- representative democracy and in this

seat you've handed over your responsibility. Now with the days of

Twitter and the idea that every single one of us should have our

views taken to mean something, is -- it's becoming possible. When we've

done polls we see voters thinking simultaneous. They want MPs to think

themselves and also to do what local voters say. Can I ask you about the

opinion polls on this issues, because we've seen 6% ahead, 9%

ahead for no, do you think that's broadly right? Do you think that

anybody apart from those actively involved in this has actually

focused on it? I'm wondering... We've done the one poll since the

announcement of the terms on Tuesday and this shows quite a sharp move

from yes to know, with a 9-point lead, but the people saying they

want to come out. This was in the middle of the most extraordinary

media onslaught on David Cameron and I think we will see quite a lot of

movement. I wouldn't like to predict the result. I think there's been a

sharp movement away from the EU in the last week or so. Such madness. I

remember having an argument on another channel, and the person was

an incredibly intelligent Oxbridge person, who said we want to take

control of our own laws. So give me an example of which laws, I said?

Which is handed over to the EU. And this is the impression, but when you

ask for examples and actual details then there are none. You might find

your self in the same uncomfortable position as Mrs Thatcher! She would

vote yes. Are we going to get more stories that Winston Churchill would

have said yes? How would you know! ? In a sense, this is nonsense, but

what it does do is make Lord Tebbit very angry. In the Sunday Times,

Margaret Thatcher's closest adviser who sat at her side through those

Brussels debates and arguments are negotiations, it doesn't mean he's

absolutely right that it does mean that we should listen to what he'd

say with some seriousness. Full. -- Thatcher was a pragmatist she sussed

the situations, but what I do think, I'm actually very, very angry with

the EU at the moment. The way they are treating the refugee crisis,

asking Turkey to take more refugees but sitting tight and not doing

anything. At the end of the day, somebody has got to see why it's a

good thing to be in the EU, and nobody is doing that! The male has a

slightly different take on this -- the Daily Mail. They think people

should get off the fence and get out and lead people. I'm underwhelmed by

the story. Pretty Patel is not a Cabinet minister. She is a middle

ranking minister who was invited to sit at Cabinet meetings. Possibly,

because it raises the proportion of women and ethnic and received people

sitting round the Cabinet table. Argue saying we're no good? We're

just been brought in here? I agree with you about pretty Patel, but I'm

just reminding you! I'm not being specific! If this is the best the

outers can do this weekend and there in trouble. We going to be pursuing

the EU for a couple of months there. H six the Observer. EU chief spells

problems with quitting. Curbs control over staff and that's a

criticism. Let's look at this. Peter Cruddas is a serious player in the

Brecht said it can. He's had to put out a statement as a company warning

that Brecht sits might damage their own companies and their profits. One

of their big donors is saying actually it might be a risk. The

point is none of us can be certain what the economic consequences of a

Brexit would be. I dating you can prove it would be a disaster, Aubrey

that it would be beneficial. The point is, is there a risk in exit?

-- Brexit. And Peter Bosz-mac I'm company is saying, actually there is

a risk! This shows the it's more than an emotive issue than one back

by evidence, because it there was some sober consideration, maybe

those who would want to leap would reconsider. It's now become such a

hot, emotional issue, to do with something visceral and something

inside. Isn't it always going to be like that? We remember the Scottish

independence campaign the facts were always in dispute. You're going to

be ?1400 better off the year, or ?1000 better off this way. There's

plenty boiling the North Sea etc. You're to remember -- you're far too

young to remember the referendum in 1975. It made no difference. People

basically base their views on the people they respected. They couldn't

decide whether the wanted the same side as Tony Benn, Enoch Powell, Ian

Paisley. You're getting this speech, what would bodies do? What will

Michael Gove do? Bottle Theresa May do? -- what will Theresa May do?

That turns things on its heads because you would normally decide

the facts and then decide who you want to support, but you're saying

you would choose who you like and then their facts? It's not even the

person, although David Cameron brings out some pretty violent

reactions within his own party, it's to do with this emotional, gut

reaction. They have controlled us and we are going to be free.

Actually nobody has talked enough about what Scotland will do next if

this goes ahead and say we do late, most people in Scotland are

pro-European, so will this give that energy to the SNP and a move towards

independence? We had to look at the much bigger picture, this thing

that's coming at us quite quickly, the referendum vote. Let's have a

look at the Observer. Working families being forced out of council

homes, front page of the Observer there. Tenants will be forced to pay

market rents, it will hit 60,000 households. What you make of it?

Let's look. Some people, not many, but some, are pretty well off and

live in council homes on subsidised rent so not a lot of people will

have sympathy. If you are fairly well of you shouldn't receive

subsidies, so 40,000 or more in London, ?30,000 more outside London

but what this analysis is saying is that there will be quite a lot of

people who are just over the limits, so 31,000 out in Birmingham or

Manchester who, given the current state of the private rental market

and the rocketing rents would actually find themselves practically

in pen Yury. It won't affect the people on low or high incomes but in

the middle, there a fairly crucial group who could suffer from this

change. These were the ones who are being courted, the hard-working

strivers. They were being courted by the Conservative Party. The rents,

London rents, Birmingham rents and certainly rents in our city have

rocketed! I don't know how anybody on 30- ?40,000 could afford. If you

have two children and you need a two bedroom house with the children

sharing, you could not pay the rent. I don't know the details of this

story, but it is fairly obvious, I don't know if you've done any

polling on this, Peter, but it is now impossible for young people to

afford the fairly modest stream of having a home of your own. It seems

to have died or people in London, and not just in London. You are

right because this move towards higher house prices, when I was

growing up, it was normal for people of my generation with reasonable job

is to buy their first time in their 20s. That is now the exception.

People are renting and living with their parents until they are 30.

There are a lot of countries with a healthier housing market you, you

could argue, where people link -- rent for longer. But in order to

have that you need lower rents, better homes, and you need to make

it financially attractive proposition to rent. We don't have

that. I don't have a lot of time for young people from middle classes,

including my own children, who moan about this. I don't have time for

that, because actually, the bigger crisis is for those families who

haven't got any capital and never had to have -- have had, and who

have worked hard. Those young people and these families, we should be

focusing on them. If our kids can't afford to buy properties until their

40, actually they will be OK. But, Yasmin, I agree with the sentiment,

but the problem is if you try and tackle it as individual issues as

the Government has tried to do with support for first-time buyers... The

problem is we don't have enough homes. If we had a bigger supply of

homes a lot of things would go away their own accord. That's the crisis!

Bit, pics story of the week, humanitarian disasters loom in

Aleppo as rebels are cut off. Aside and Russia are doing this -- Bashir

Assad and Russia are doing this to their rain people. It started with

15000 and the last I saw it was 30 5000. Now Turkey was saying it would

accept them but isn't opening the gates. The EU is acting shockingly

on this, including Britain. We think we campaign Turkey money to take our

responsibility away from us. I don't what's going to these people. All

credit to the Observer to putting it on the front page and 24 pages

inside. This is responsible journalism. Most people don't really

want to read about it but it's important, and the story it tells of

the people in Aleppo are horrifying. The one thing I would pick out,

where it says 100,000 people from Aleppo are likely to want to get

into Turkey, and then it says that Turkey might not be able to open the

doors. They then might pay sharks to take them across to Greece, see the

initial latch -- reaction might be, thank goodness. But the second

reaction will be, for heaven sake, if we don't do something for these

people in region, we are storing up a massive trouble in the months and

years ahead. We got 20 seconds left but we need to look at the last

headline Crafty Fox... It's About Ranieri. 5000-1 To Win, For

Leicester. I Hope It Was My Son Who Put That Bet On. Isn't It Wonderful,

And I'm An Arsenal Fan, But Somebody Other Than Arsenal, Chelsea, The Two

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Doesn't It Make Football So Much More Exciting? Vardy Used To Read

Roy of the Rovers. That's it for the papers. Thanks to our guests.

And then to try and start unhappy night because there is some sunshine

out there. There's also some showers