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performances from English teams in the Europa League, and another bad

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night for Louis van Gaal. Welcome to our chat about the papers. We have

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had a lively last hour, let's see if we can do it again.

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The Financial Times reports that the European Central Bank is

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on course for more aggressive measures to boost flagging growth

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David Cameron is pictured on the front of The Metro as he arrived

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at the summit of European leaders, and promised to 'Battle for

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Britain'. The Daily Telegraph leads with the news that 80

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of our biggest companies are poised to vote for staying in Europe.

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Whilst The Guardian warns that David Cameron has embarked on the

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The Times reports that European leaders are joining together to add

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a "last chance" clause into the renegotiation deal, ensuring that

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Britain would never be allowed to reopen talks. Meanwhile,

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The Daily Express insists that The Prime Minister can't win

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his the argument with his counterparts in Brussels. And

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finally The Mirror reveals that more than 600 prisoners could be

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freed because the rule used to jail them for

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Let's begin with the Times and the Guardian. It looks like the

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journalists from these papers have been briefed by the same people.

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Yes, both saying this is the last chance for Britain to negotiate a

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credible deal. There will be no further renegotiation if on the day

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of the referendum we vote for a Brexit. This was initially pushed

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for by Belgium and France, and David Cameron is believed to go along with

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it, because it will help turn the resolve of those who want to vote no

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with the aim of getting a better deal the second time around. Whether

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we go and vote again and again until we get it right. Typical Brussels.

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As you have said, they have had the same briefing from somebody, to

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serious newspapers. I wouldn't have thought there would be a better way

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of winding up the Brits than four Belgian and a Frenchman to tell them

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what is going to happen if you vote either way. If you are told by

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Francois Hollande, this is what happens and you have to suck it up,

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it will just push them the other way. It adds a lot of clarity. It is

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not true, is it? It might be. Let's say Britain votes to come out,

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45-55. Do you really believe that Brussels won't try to say, let's

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have another referendum. It will. On previous form, you would think it

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would happen again. But no country has left the EU like this, it hasn't

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happened before, and if this is a real club and it is all about the

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future of an ever closer union and handing the big issues of our time

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coherently, and one member says this far and no more, on your way. That

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is fine, but what there should be about is the 520 million people

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living in peace, who got a chance to compete in Asia's century. It

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shouldn't be about whether a French president gets his way. Or indeed a

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British PM. For Brussels, with no democratic connection, with an

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enormous end of elitism and no relationship down into the guts of

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the populations of these countries, they are marching towards 1970.

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Brussels is made up of Eurocrats, unelected officials, but they are

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confident member states of the EU are Europeans who believe in a

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project. They are not Europeans, are they? They actually support there

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were a nationstate. But they are from Europe. The French believe in

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it, slightly differently from how the Germans do, and differently from

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how British people to. It was created by the French, for the

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French, with the French, and Germany will pay correct. You are saying

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nothing has changed? Nothing has changed. That is to take of the

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broadsheets. Two of the tabloids, first of all the Daily Mail. What do

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you think about is that what his face says to you? That is mid

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expression, he has a strange face, he doesn't really have a mouth. I

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agree. He has an unfortunate face. I am interested in what the words are.

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Tory MPs reacted furiously to the BBC giving a ten minute platform for

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scaremongering claims about the dangers of leaving the EU. This was

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on the Today programme this morning on Radio 4. There was a ten minute

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interview... Do they give anyone else ten minutes? That I can't tell

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you. The fact that it happened on the same date. At 3am on a

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Sunday... People like that Iran the BBC all the time. I find it

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interesting, because looking at it the other way, we will see a lot of

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scaremongering on both sides. I heard the other day that for some

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reason Karen Brady is alleged to have said that if we left the EU we

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couldn't bring premiership footballers in from Europe. And, we

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won't get cheap flights. What a load of baloney! You are broadly somebody

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who does not describe yourself as an ideological eurosceptic, but is that

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something you are worried about? The campaign? Yes, I want to look for

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reasons to stay in. I am not archaeologically eurosceptic, I just

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don't see the added value of staying in. I believe it has to come to an

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end because I can't see how my country can stay competitive by

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hitching my wagon to their wagon train. I want to see a more balanced

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argument. Present company excepted, when I look at the people lining up

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to say we need to get out, they are the people who still say Tanganyika

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instead of Tanzania, who think we are all going to the dogs, and who

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20 years ago would have said that I am not a dish or English. It is not

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all of them. It is not all of them, but I look at them and they have a

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very long memory, and I think, what with a saying in the 80s or 90s?

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You're blessedly do, Jeremy Corbyn... E is not my leader. He was

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anti- Europe until he was elected. Is he one of those mispronouncing

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Kenya as well? It is not about the technical side, but when I hear

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about those people, a lot of them are not my kind of people. There are

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quite a lot of people voting for the EU who are like that. All I want is

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a proper, rational economic debate about how an unemployed kid in

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Greece who is 23 years old today is going to compete in the Asian

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century. We may have weeks, months, or who knows, more than a year of

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that. I think there are a lot of people like me who do not

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archaeologically want to come out, but they want a reason why we should

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stay in, going past the gut that you talk about. Let's move away from

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Europe into a big issue on the front of the mirror. This is quite a

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strongly worded response to a decision by the Supreme Court that

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joint enterprise, the law that meant you could be convicted of murder if

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he won't actually the person who did it -- if you were not actually the

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person who did it, has been misapplied for 30 years. We have

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seen large numbers of young people, particularly young black people, in

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prison under common purpose or joint enterprise. When we see these two

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faces of Gary Dobson and David Norris, convicted of killing Stephen

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Lawrence, it inflames people. It makes us think, people are going to

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introduce a guideline that mean guys like this will get away with murder.

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Actually, Clive Coleman said that these guys would not be saved by

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this ruling, because they were deemed to have actively participated

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in the murder of Stephen Lawrence. It is about people who may have been

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on the fringes of an incident who didn't know that somebody could

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reasonably be expected to kill somebody, but who then got hoovered

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up in the attempt to call everybody guilty in a particular incident.

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What I don't understand is, why will it be retrospective? If they are

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saying this law should be interpreted in another way, and from

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now on it will be, I get that. That is what law is, change the

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application, change the implementation. But if you are going

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to say, we have made our mind up that it has been wrongly interpreted

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for 30 years... If I am Dunford driving at 40 mph in a 30 mph zone,

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and then they put up the speed limit to 40 mph, they are not going to

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tell me that I'm no longer wrong. -- done for. What they are saying is

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that the law hasn't changed, but the interpretation has changed. So the

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people convicted from 1984 onwards are subject to a miscarriage of

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justice. Why were they? Because judges in 2016 say so? Yellow

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because the bar was set too low. I don't get it, I get the change in

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the law, but not when it was moved forward. What you don't like is the

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effect of it. You are making a leap, you are saying that there was a

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miscarriage of justice because somebody is interpreting something

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differently now. The law hasn't changed. In your example, the law

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had changed. That doesn't get you off the hook. I take that, so that

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is the case, what about careless driving, which is a subjective

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analysis? If you are done for careless because you are eating an

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apple, and then suddenly they passed a law that say that that is no

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longer careless driving, would they quashed my conviction? I am glad...

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I think this is money for the lawyers. Let's move on to the front

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page of the Telegraph. This is a big smiling photo of Pope Francis. I

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think he is smiling because he is about to take off. He is doing an

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impersonation of a fabulous helicopter. This is an interesting

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point. The Pope has been heard on the flight home, briefing

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journalists, speaking in Spanish, and he said that if Yugo

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anti-immigration and away the Donald Trump has, it is not Christian do

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so. If you go. He says it is not Christian. The quote says, a person

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who thinks only about building walls, when they ought to be

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building bridges... This is Donald Trump wanting to build a wall to

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stop illegal emigration from Mexico. It is not Christian. In the

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Telegraph they say he is not a Christian. That is an enormous

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difference. I am pleased the Pope said this, because back in September

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the US, Washington, Wall Street, Main Street, everybody turned out

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for the Pope. He is a massive spiritual leader, even in the US.

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There are plenty of Catholics there. It forced people to rethink

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Christianity. All the GOP candidates are wrapping themselves in their

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religion. Americans always do at campaign time. 1-storey left. Tesco

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have announced that they are withdrawing croissants that are

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crescent shaped. They will only have them straight. People will think I'm

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about is what Brussels does! It has nothing to do with Brussels at. All

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of these people struggling to put to put butter on their croissant. Some

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people think it is more sophisticated to have a straight one

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and a crescent shaped one. We know you belong to the Easington

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intelligentsia, you have never been near a working population in your

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life. You be doing this, ra ra ra, I can't put my data on this. Tomorrow,

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we will be told we should be eating a hearty English breakfast. --

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butter. Thank you to both of you, always a pleasure. We will be back

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with more at the top of the hour. Now, Sportsday.

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