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performances from English teams in the Europa League, and another bad | :00:00. | :00:27. | |
night for Louis van Gaal. Welcome to our chat about the papers. We have | :00:28. | :00:32. | |
had a lively last hour, let's see if we can do it again. | :00:33. | :00:36. | |
The Financial Times reports that the European Central Bank is | :00:37. | :00:38. | |
on course for more aggressive measures to boost flagging growth | :00:39. | :00:47. | |
David Cameron is pictured on the front of The Metro as he arrived | :00:48. | :00:51. | |
at the summit of European leaders, and promised to 'Battle for | :00:52. | :00:55. | |
Britain'. The Daily Telegraph leads with the news that 80 | :00:56. | :00:57. | |
of our biggest companies are poised to vote for staying in Europe. | :00:58. | :01:07. | |
Whilst The Guardian warns that David Cameron has embarked on the | :01:08. | :01:10. | |
The Times reports that European leaders are joining together to add | :01:11. | :01:15. | |
a "last chance" clause into the renegotiation deal, ensuring that | :01:16. | :01:21. | |
Britain would never be allowed to reopen talks. Meanwhile, | :01:22. | :01:23. | |
The Daily Express insists that The Prime Minister can't win | :01:24. | :01:28. | |
his the argument with his counterparts in Brussels. And | :01:29. | :01:31. | |
finally The Mirror reveals that more than 600 prisoners could be | :01:32. | :01:34. | |
freed because the rule used to jail them for | :01:35. | :01:36. | |
Let's begin with the Times and the Guardian. It looks like the | :01:37. | :01:46. | |
journalists from these papers have been briefed by the same people. | :01:47. | :01:50. | |
Yes, both saying this is the last chance for Britain to negotiate a | :01:51. | :01:55. | |
credible deal. There will be no further renegotiation if on the day | :01:56. | :02:03. | |
of the referendum we vote for a Brexit. This was initially pushed | :02:04. | :02:07. | |
for by Belgium and France, and David Cameron is believed to go along with | :02:08. | :02:18. | |
it, because it will help turn the resolve of those who want to vote no | :02:19. | :02:26. | |
with the aim of getting a better deal the second time around. Whether | :02:27. | :02:34. | |
we go and vote again and again until we get it right. Typical Brussels. | :02:35. | :02:38. | |
As you have said, they have had the same briefing from somebody, to | :02:39. | :02:45. | |
serious newspapers. I wouldn't have thought there would be a better way | :02:46. | :02:51. | |
of winding up the Brits than four Belgian and a Frenchman to tell them | :02:52. | :02:58. | |
what is going to happen if you vote either way. If you are told by | :02:59. | :03:01. | |
Francois Hollande, this is what happens and you have to suck it up, | :03:02. | :03:05. | |
it will just push them the other way. It adds a lot of clarity. It is | :03:06. | :03:15. | |
not true, is it? It might be. Let's say Britain votes to come out, | :03:16. | :03:21. | |
45-55. Do you really believe that Brussels won't try to say, let's | :03:22. | :03:28. | |
have another referendum. It will. On previous form, you would think it | :03:29. | :03:32. | |
would happen again. But no country has left the EU like this, it hasn't | :03:33. | :03:37. | |
happened before, and if this is a real club and it is all about the | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
future of an ever closer union and handing the big issues of our time | :03:42. | :03:45. | |
coherently, and one member says this far and no more, on your way. That | :03:46. | :03:51. | |
is fine, but what there should be about is the 520 million people | :03:52. | :03:57. | |
living in peace, who got a chance to compete in Asia's century. It | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
shouldn't be about whether a French president gets his way. Or indeed a | :04:02. | :04:08. | |
British PM. For Brussels, with no democratic connection, with an | :04:09. | :04:14. | |
enormous end of elitism and no relationship down into the guts of | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
the populations of these countries, they are marching towards 1970. | :04:19. | :04:24. | |
Brussels is made up of Eurocrats, unelected officials, but they are | :04:25. | :04:31. | |
confident member states of the EU are Europeans who believe in a | :04:32. | :04:35. | |
project. They are not Europeans, are they? They actually support there | :04:36. | :04:38. | |
were a nationstate. But they are from Europe. The French believe in | :04:39. | :04:44. | |
it, slightly differently from how the Germans do, and differently from | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
how British people to. It was created by the French, for the | :04:49. | :04:52. | |
French, with the French, and Germany will pay correct. You are saying | :04:53. | :04:56. | |
nothing has changed? Nothing has changed. That is to take of the | :04:57. | :05:04. | |
broadsheets. Two of the tabloids, first of all the Daily Mail. What do | :05:05. | :05:10. | |
you think about is that what his face says to you? That is mid | :05:11. | :05:19. | |
expression, he has a strange face, he doesn't really have a mouth. I | :05:20. | :05:26. | |
agree. He has an unfortunate face. I am interested in what the words are. | :05:27. | :05:31. | |
Tory MPs reacted furiously to the BBC giving a ten minute platform for | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
scaremongering claims about the dangers of leaving the EU. This was | :05:37. | :05:43. | |
on the Today programme this morning on Radio 4. There was a ten minute | :05:44. | :05:50. | |
interview... Do they give anyone else ten minutes? That I can't tell | :05:51. | :05:55. | |
you. The fact that it happened on the same date. At 3am on a | :05:56. | :06:04. | |
Sunday... People like that Iran the BBC all the time. I find it | :06:05. | :06:09. | |
interesting, because looking at it the other way, we will see a lot of | :06:10. | :06:15. | |
scaremongering on both sides. I heard the other day that for some | :06:16. | :06:18. | |
reason Karen Brady is alleged to have said that if we left the EU we | :06:19. | :06:21. | |
couldn't bring premiership footballers in from Europe. And, we | :06:22. | :06:30. | |
won't get cheap flights. What a load of baloney! You are broadly somebody | :06:31. | :06:37. | |
who does not describe yourself as an ideological eurosceptic, but is that | :06:38. | :06:42. | |
something you are worried about? The campaign? Yes, I want to look for | :06:43. | :06:48. | |
reasons to stay in. I am not archaeologically eurosceptic, I just | :06:49. | :06:51. | |
don't see the added value of staying in. I believe it has to come to an | :06:52. | :06:55. | |
end because I can't see how my country can stay competitive by | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
hitching my wagon to their wagon train. I want to see a more balanced | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
argument. Present company excepted, when I look at the people lining up | :07:06. | :07:10. | |
to say we need to get out, they are the people who still say Tanganyika | :07:11. | :07:15. | |
instead of Tanzania, who think we are all going to the dogs, and who | :07:16. | :07:20. | |
20 years ago would have said that I am not a dish or English. It is not | :07:21. | :07:27. | |
all of them. It is not all of them, but I look at them and they have a | :07:28. | :07:30. | |
very long memory, and I think, what with a saying in the 80s or 90s? | :07:31. | :07:37. | |
You're blessedly do, Jeremy Corbyn... E is not my leader. He was | :07:38. | :07:48. | |
anti- Europe until he was elected. Is he one of those mispronouncing | :07:49. | :07:55. | |
Kenya as well? It is not about the technical side, but when I hear | :07:56. | :07:59. | |
about those people, a lot of them are not my kind of people. There are | :08:00. | :08:05. | |
quite a lot of people voting for the EU who are like that. All I want is | :08:06. | :08:11. | |
a proper, rational economic debate about how an unemployed kid in | :08:12. | :08:15. | |
Greece who is 23 years old today is going to compete in the Asian | :08:16. | :08:20. | |
century. We may have weeks, months, or who knows, more than a year of | :08:21. | :08:25. | |
that. I think there are a lot of people like me who do not | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
archaeologically want to come out, but they want a reason why we should | :08:30. | :08:34. | |
stay in, going past the gut that you talk about. Let's move away from | :08:35. | :08:39. | |
Europe into a big issue on the front of the mirror. This is quite a | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
strongly worded response to a decision by the Supreme Court that | :08:45. | :08:50. | |
joint enterprise, the law that meant you could be convicted of murder if | :08:51. | :08:55. | |
he won't actually the person who did it -- if you were not actually the | :08:56. | :08:58. | |
person who did it, has been misapplied for 30 years. We have | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
seen large numbers of young people, particularly young black people, in | :09:04. | :09:09. | |
prison under common purpose or joint enterprise. When we see these two | :09:10. | :09:17. | |
faces of Gary Dobson and David Norris, convicted of killing Stephen | :09:18. | :09:21. | |
Lawrence, it inflames people. It makes us think, people are going to | :09:22. | :09:27. | |
introduce a guideline that mean guys like this will get away with murder. | :09:28. | :09:33. | |
Actually, Clive Coleman said that these guys would not be saved by | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
this ruling, because they were deemed to have actively participated | :09:39. | :09:41. | |
in the murder of Stephen Lawrence. It is about people who may have been | :09:42. | :09:45. | |
on the fringes of an incident who didn't know that somebody could | :09:46. | :09:50. | |
reasonably be expected to kill somebody, but who then got hoovered | :09:51. | :09:56. | |
up in the attempt to call everybody guilty in a particular incident. | :09:57. | :10:00. | |
What I don't understand is, why will it be retrospective? If they are | :10:01. | :10:06. | |
saying this law should be interpreted in another way, and from | :10:07. | :10:12. | |
now on it will be, I get that. That is what law is, change the | :10:13. | :10:16. | |
application, change the implementation. But if you are going | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
to say, we have made our mind up that it has been wrongly interpreted | :10:22. | :10:26. | |
for 30 years... If I am Dunford driving at 40 mph in a 30 mph zone, | :10:27. | :10:36. | |
and then they put up the speed limit to 40 mph, they are not going to | :10:37. | :10:44. | |
tell me that I'm no longer wrong. -- done for. What they are saying is | :10:45. | :10:52. | |
that the law hasn't changed, but the interpretation has changed. So the | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
people convicted from 1984 onwards are subject to a miscarriage of | :10:58. | :11:02. | |
justice. Why were they? Because judges in 2016 say so? Yellow | :11:03. | :11:09. | |
because the bar was set too low. I don't get it, I get the change in | :11:10. | :11:15. | |
the law, but not when it was moved forward. What you don't like is the | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
effect of it. You are making a leap, you are saying that there was a | :11:21. | :11:23. | |
miscarriage of justice because somebody is interpreting something | :11:24. | :11:26. | |
differently now. The law hasn't changed. In your example, the law | :11:27. | :11:34. | |
had changed. That doesn't get you off the hook. I take that, so that | :11:35. | :11:40. | |
is the case, what about careless driving, which is a subjective | :11:41. | :11:45. | |
analysis? If you are done for careless because you are eating an | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
apple, and then suddenly they passed a law that say that that is no | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
longer careless driving, would they quashed my conviction? I am glad... | :11:54. | :12:05. | |
I think this is money for the lawyers. Let's move on to the front | :12:06. | :12:14. | |
page of the Telegraph. This is a big smiling photo of Pope Francis. I | :12:15. | :12:18. | |
think he is smiling because he is about to take off. He is doing an | :12:19. | :12:22. | |
impersonation of a fabulous helicopter. This is an interesting | :12:23. | :12:29. | |
point. The Pope has been heard on the flight home, briefing | :12:30. | :12:34. | |
journalists, speaking in Spanish, and he said that if Yugo | :12:35. | :12:39. | |
anti-immigration and away the Donald Trump has, it is not Christian do | :12:40. | :12:48. | |
so. If you go. He says it is not Christian. The quote says, a person | :12:49. | :12:57. | |
who thinks only about building walls, when they ought to be | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
building bridges... This is Donald Trump wanting to build a wall to | :13:02. | :13:04. | |
stop illegal emigration from Mexico. It is not Christian. In the | :13:05. | :13:13. | |
Telegraph they say he is not a Christian. That is an enormous | :13:14. | :13:20. | |
difference. I am pleased the Pope said this, because back in September | :13:21. | :13:28. | |
the US, Washington, Wall Street, Main Street, everybody turned out | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
for the Pope. He is a massive spiritual leader, even in the US. | :13:33. | :13:39. | |
There are plenty of Catholics there. It forced people to rethink | :13:40. | :13:45. | |
Christianity. All the GOP candidates are wrapping themselves in their | :13:46. | :13:51. | |
religion. Americans always do at campaign time. 1-storey left. Tesco | :13:52. | :14:02. | |
have announced that they are withdrawing croissants that are | :14:03. | :14:13. | |
crescent shaped. They will only have them straight. People will think I'm | :14:14. | :14:20. | |
about is what Brussels does! It has nothing to do with Brussels at. All | :14:21. | :14:30. | |
of these people struggling to put to put butter on their croissant. Some | :14:31. | :14:36. | |
people think it is more sophisticated to have a straight one | :14:37. | :14:40. | |
and a crescent shaped one. We know you belong to the Easington | :14:41. | :14:45. | |
intelligentsia, you have never been near a working population in your | :14:46. | :14:56. | |
life. You be doing this, ra ra ra, I can't put my data on this. Tomorrow, | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
we will be told we should be eating a hearty English breakfast. -- | :15:02. | :15:08. | |
butter. Thank you to both of you, always a pleasure. We will be back | :15:09. | :15:13. | |
with more at the top of the hour. Now, Sportsday. | :15:14. | :15:34. | |
Louis van Gaal says United's loss to Danish side Midtjylland is | :15:35. | :15:37. |