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That's all the sport, now The Papers. | :00:00. | :00:19. | |
Welcome to the Sunday morning edition of the Papers. With me are | :00:20. | :00:25. | |
Nigel Nelson and Vincent Moss. The Sunday Times reports that | :00:26. | :00:27. | |
David Cameron is at threat of a leadership challenge | :00:28. | :00:29. | |
even if Britain votes to stay The introduction in the House | :00:30. | :00:32. | |
of Commons this week of the Government's Investigatory | :00:33. | :00:35. | |
Powers Bill is the Independent The Observer has an interview | :00:36. | :00:37. | |
with the Europe Minister David Lidington - who says Britain voting | :00:38. | :00:42. | |
to leave the EU would spark a decade The Sunday Express leads | :00:43. | :00:45. | |
with a survey suggesting 25 out of the 28 EU member states feel | :00:46. | :00:49. | |
"negatively" about the future And sticking with the EU debate, | :00:50. | :00:51. | |
the Mail reports on divisions within the Conservative party - | :00:52. | :00:57. | |
with reports of the Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond clashing | :00:58. | :00:59. | |
with his Eurosceptic Let's begin. It is all Europe, all | :01:00. | :01:13. | |
the time. We will find some other things to talk about. The Sunday | :01:14. | :01:18. | |
Times, Tory threat to oust PM after the EU vote, win or lose, Cameron | :01:19. | :01:24. | |
faces challenge? Well, I think he very definitely is out if he is | :01:25. | :01:28. | |
losing the referendum. This is the kind of stuff we will hear a lot | :01:29. | :01:32. | |
about over the next 100 days. I don't think it is very likely that | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
Tory MPs would be in a mood, then, to get rid of Cameron after he has | :01:38. | :01:42. | |
won the vote. It seems to me that it could not work. At these kind of | :01:43. | :01:46. | |
scare stories, if you do this, we are going to get you, this kind of | :01:47. | :01:51. | |
stuff, there will be a lot of this. Project Fear twice over? The story | :01:52. | :01:57. | |
is based on an unnamed backbencher who says even if he wins, if he | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
carries on like this, there will be no problem getting the 50 names | :02:02. | :02:04. | |
required for a leadership challenge. Some Conservative MPs I speak to | :02:05. | :02:09. | |
never liked him and would like to see the back of him. If there is a | :02:10. | :02:15. | |
challenge with the Reid if he wins is unlikely, but David has already | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
said he's going in 2020. If you have a new election that needs to be | :02:21. | :02:23. | |
fought, many people would quite rightly say we want a new leader to | :02:24. | :02:27. | |
set out his temper late. At some point between the European | :02:28. | :02:31. | |
referendum on the 2020 election, it is likely, in my view, that he will | :02:32. | :02:36. | |
go. They are really just arguing about the timing of when. Do any of | :02:37. | :02:40. | |
you think this will be never-ending, even if they stay in? You have | :02:41. | :02:47. | |
spoken to Conservative MPs saying it is not going to stop even if we | :02:48. | :02:50. | |
lose, because we feel strongly about it, this is a core issue? The | :02:51. | :02:55. | |
trouble with too many Tories is that it has become an obsession, almost | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
an illness. So, whatever happens, they will agitate. I can see that | :03:00. | :03:11. | |
going on. In or out, I think we have to abide by that. At the very least, | :03:12. | :03:16. | |
you are talking about a generation. The last referendum was 1975, I | :03:17. | :03:19. | |
would imagine a similar time to elapse before another one. In | :03:20. | :03:26. | |
Scotland, they want one a year later? How is that going? The | :03:27. | :03:32. | |
Telegraph have almost the reverse of that story, they can sack me, Iain | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
Duncan Smith, but Europe goes over everything, we are bound to this | :03:37. | :03:39. | |
ship sailing perilously close to the rocks. They voted to leave is a | :03:40. | :03:47. | |
gamble, says the Prime Minister. The two sides and Eurosceptics fearing | :03:48. | :03:50. | |
they might be purged? The interesting thing is Iain Duncan | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
Smith's point, the real challenge, that he has a constitutional right | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
to get hold of Cabinet papers as a secretary of state, which is true. | :04:00. | :04:02. | |
This story particularly shows the absolute muddle about allowing | :04:03. | :04:12. | |
Cabinet ministers to campaign as they wish. It was always going to be | :04:13. | :04:17. | |
impossible. The civil service have to obey the government line. Iain | :04:18. | :04:21. | |
Duncan Smith makes the point that he might need, as the day job, to get | :04:22. | :04:26. | |
hold of figures on EU migration, who is getting benefits, are they going | :04:27. | :04:31. | |
to deny him that? Sorry, the department says you can't have that | :04:32. | :04:36. | |
because it impinges on the EU. Sir Humphrey, or Sir Jeremy, taking the | :04:37. | :04:40. | |
view, as I understand, that the Government line, it goes to the | :04:41. | :04:43. | |
government, but if he is opposing the government line on this, he does | :04:44. | :04:50. | |
not get it? That is my point, who makes the decision? If the Secretary | :04:51. | :04:53. | |
of State is calling for Cabinet papers, clearly, it was never going | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
to work by saying Cabinet ministers can campaign against the Government. | :04:59. | :05:02. | |
That was the mistake he made. Maybe the cartoon get it right, mods and | :05:03. | :05:08. | |
rockers in Brighton, I hear gangs of Tory Eurosceptics and Europhiles are | :05:09. | :05:14. | |
coming here for a fight? The point they are making is that top civil | :05:15. | :05:18. | |
servant Jeremy Heywood is going to be summoned before a committee where | :05:19. | :05:21. | |
he will have to explain this position where they might not be | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
able to see papers they feel are relevant. The interesting thing | :05:26. | :05:28. | |
about Iain Duncan Smith, they can sack me if my face no longer fits, | :05:29. | :05:32. | |
that is the other issue after the referendum. With these five Cabinet | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
ministers plus the employment minister, Priti Patel, what happens | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
to them? Are they purged in what the Telegraph refers to as a revenge | :05:41. | :05:44. | |
reshuffle? Or do you have what other people are calling for, a unity | :05:45. | :05:50. | |
reshuffle and keep them in? You think whoever wins it would be | :05:51. | :05:53. | |
unwise for the future of the Conservative Party to purge people | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
you don't get on with straightaway? True, but I don't think the | :05:59. | :06:01. | |
Conservative Party are worrying about who is in the Cabinet. If they | :06:02. | :06:06. | |
felt so strongly about it, against an official government position, | :06:07. | :06:10. | |
what you do is you quit. The Observer has a different take, | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
Brexit would start decade of economic limbo, says top Tory. Boris | :06:16. | :06:20. | |
Johnson in U-turn over second vote, he says they could get better terms | :06:21. | :06:29. | |
if there was a second vote, now he's saying out is out? Almost | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
self-evident. We are back to the confusion. The idea that you could | :06:34. | :06:36. | |
actually vote out in a referendum to stay in Europe was just ludicrous. | :06:37. | :06:43. | |
Clearly, Alt must mean out. You can't start playing around with the | :06:44. | :06:47. | |
referendums and things like that. The interesting thing about the | :06:48. | :06:50. | |
Observer story is that we have the Europe minister coming out on this | :06:51. | :06:55. | |
one. The trouble is, we are not really dealing with core, basic | :06:56. | :07:02. | |
issues, people want to know, how will it affect my job, wages, | :07:03. | :07:07. | |
working conditions, schools, health. At the moment, the people arguing | :07:08. | :07:11. | |
seemed to be arguing up there somewhere, without getting down to | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
what ordinary families want to know. An interesting point. When you hear | :07:17. | :07:21. | |
yesterday the G20 came out and said, we think it would be disastrous for | :07:22. | :07:25. | |
the world economy, a shock, that is what the communique said, this | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
involves China, the United States, the IMF, people Britain might ask to | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
do certain things, but could not tell them this is their view, do you | :07:34. | :07:37. | |
think voters care about what the G20 think or what the economists think? | :07:38. | :07:42. | |
Not too much. The idea that other world leaders come out for somebody | :07:43. | :07:47. | |
in their cosy club of 20 leaders is not a great surprise, neither is it | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
a surprise that David Lidington, the Europe minister, comes out in favour | :07:52. | :07:54. | |
of Europe! But he is making the point that it has become the mantra | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
of the in campaign, it is all about job security, it would be really | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
hard to negotiate trade deals, the truth is nobody ever knows. It is | :08:04. | :08:08. | |
the control experiment. If you are not running contrasting scenarios, | :08:09. | :08:10. | |
if we come out of Europe, will it get harder to get trade deals than | :08:11. | :08:15. | |
when we were in, we will never know the answer. Europe turns against the | :08:16. | :08:21. | |
EU, fresh boost for exit campaigns as strong anti-Brussels feelings in | :08:22. | :08:29. | |
24 out of 25 countries. You could say there is a degree of | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
Euroscepticism in Europe and Turner to Mr Cameron's Brundage, saying we | :08:34. | :08:37. | |
are not alone, we can continue to reform Europe if we stay in? Also | :08:38. | :08:44. | |
when you look at the figures, Greece is pretty upset about it. Greece is | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
having a huge problem with refugees. Europe is trying to seal them off. | :08:50. | :08:53. | |
You can understand that the ordinary people in Greece will be incredibly | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
Euro sceptic about something like that. Migration becomes a major | :08:58. | :09:02. | |
issue in many countries, people are worried about it. The scepticism is | :09:03. | :09:07. | |
not to be unexpected. Shall we move on? Page seven, also, we have spoken | :09:08. | :09:15. | |
about what has been an intra- Conservative fight, that is the has | :09:16. | :09:22. | |
been presented. Sturgeon and Corbyn revive the spirit of the 1980s at | :09:23. | :09:28. | |
the Trident protest. A lot of people protested yesterday. Again, this is | :09:29. | :09:30. | |
something that has been going on for generations. Quite small, in | :09:31. | :09:36. | |
comparison to 25 years ago? I think so. It was supposed to be the | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
biggest march for a generation. The Observer have used an impressive | :09:41. | :09:43. | |
picture of the march, where it looks like there are lots of people. At | :09:44. | :09:47. | |
the aerial shots of Trafalgar Square, it looks like no more than | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
5000 people. Some of those might have been bemused tourists that | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
wandered in. It did look a very small scale event. I don't think it | :09:56. | :10:01. | |
was particularly dramatic. If you would think the Labour leadership | :10:02. | :10:04. | |
would want to be revelling in disarray at the Conservative Party | :10:05. | :10:08. | |
over Europe, yet again, tearing itself apart, you would think they | :10:09. | :10:10. | |
would want to focus on core issues like housing and employment. | :10:11. | :10:14. | |
Instead, they are having an arcane argument, to the vast majority of | :10:15. | :10:18. | |
the population, about whether or not a nuclear deterrent is needed at | :10:19. | :10:25. | |
some time in the future. Nicola Sturgeon made that argument, | :10:26. | :10:28. | |
yesterday, she said we were promised more austerity by the Chancellor, | :10:29. | :10:33. | |
why are we spending... The figures might change, whatever it is, but | :10:34. | :10:39. | |
she did try to connect the dots? She did. It was quite right Nicola | :10:40. | :10:42. | |
Sturgeon should be there. Her party has actually got a position on | :10:43. | :10:47. | |
Trident, to get rid of it. Jeremy Corbyn's party has not. I think he | :10:48. | :10:52. | |
ought to accept he is Labour Leader now, not just simply a backbencher, | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
perhaps it would have been wise not to turn up. He didn't say anything | :10:58. | :11:02. | |
controversial, it was completely anodyne, but perhaps he should not | :11:03. | :11:05. | |
have done it. The Sunday Times, charity 's chief clamps down on | :11:06. | :11:11. | |
chuggers. Charities have got bad press recently for various things. | :11:12. | :11:17. | |
They are saying, William Shawcross, from the Charities Commission, it | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
cannot be right for vulnerable and older people to be hounded through | :11:22. | :11:25. | |
the telephone, through the letterbox and on the street? Politicians will | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
be delighted charities are taking some of the heat, to some extent. An | :11:30. | :11:33. | |
important speech by the charity chief. It is not just chuggers, also | :11:34. | :11:38. | |
the direct mail, the pressure calls. It has got to a point where many | :11:39. | :11:41. | |
people cannot be stopped for legitimate reasons on the streets, | :11:42. | :11:47. | |
not saying charities are illegitimate, you are very wary of | :11:48. | :11:50. | |
stopping in the street because somebody is probably going to ask | :11:51. | :11:53. | |
you not just for a few quid to put in a bucket, but to commit for | :11:54. | :11:57. | |
months or years through direct debit to a charity. It has become a | :11:58. | :12:03. | |
problem. I think charities are going to have to think about realigning | :12:04. | :12:06. | |
the way they behave. You are not surprised? I am totally with | :12:07. | :12:12. | |
Vincent. I object hugely to aggressive charity collecting. I | :12:13. | :12:18. | |
think it is appalling that charities do commercial deals with companies | :12:19. | :12:21. | |
to offer credit cards or energy tariffs and whatever, especially | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
when they are not the best rate for people. All of these things should | :12:26. | :12:31. | |
be banned. Charity giving should be absolutely voluntary. You should | :12:32. | :12:34. | |
want to do it, not be cajoled into doing it. The Sunday Telegraph story | :12:35. | :12:42. | |
was interesting. Shops row unites churches. It is unsurprising that | :12:43. | :12:45. | |
churches want to keep Sunday and Sunday. But for some businesses, | :12:46. | :12:52. | |
they say, what you do is you get on Amazon, do something online, get a | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
delivery, we can't compete? Probably, the church is about 30 | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
years now out of date with the argument. This was the kind of | :13:02. | :13:04. | |
battle we had when Sunday trading first came in. It was very much on | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
these lines, keeping Sunday special, whether or not people would be | :13:10. | :13:14. | |
forced to work on Sunday, we have moved on. Personally, nobody should | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
be forced to work on a Sunday. However, that is the way things are. | :13:19. | :13:24. | |
I think the church are whistling in the dark. We appear to be working on | :13:25. | :13:32. | |
Sunday! But we volunteered. Even the shops themselves are split, they | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
don't know if profits will go up. There is a slight effort of the | :13:37. | :13:39. | |
government trying to look like it is doing something. The Europe story, | :13:40. | :13:43. | |
going back to that, there is a legislative logjam. There is very | :13:44. | :13:47. | |
little happening. You might say there is little happening most of | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
the time in Parliament! Now, actually, I thought this was an | :13:52. | :13:55. | |
interesting story in the Observer. Finding it hard to get a ticket for | :13:56. | :13:59. | |
a Dell? There is one on sale for just ?24,000! We complain about | :14:00. | :14:11. | |
football tickets? -- Adele. This is appalling, the idea it can be sold | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
for above its cover price. There are people in Parliament, Sharon | :14:17. | :14:19. | |
Hodgson, the Labour MP, chair of the all-party ticket group, she said | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
there has to be legislation. Of course there has. It should be | :14:24. | :14:29. | |
illegal to sell any ticket above the list price. What you discover with | :14:30. | :14:34. | |
something that is within minutes all the tickets have gone. They have | :14:35. | :14:41. | |
been taken by touts. Adele has campaigned against it, Elton John | :14:42. | :14:45. | |
has. There is a general feeling from the industry and the public that it | :14:46. | :14:48. | |
should be stopped. To be blunt about it, she doesn't get the ?24,000. She | :14:49. | :14:54. | |
is not short of cash, but it goes to some... There might be an element of | :14:55. | :15:02. | |
that, it is still a rip-off. If you can't go to a concert for a | :15:03. | :15:06. | |
legitimate reason, you can put it on a website and sell it for pretty | :15:07. | :15:10. | |
much cost price. That takes them out of the market, the touts. We are | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
going to see more and more of this. The demand to see live music, live | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
shows, it increases as people know you can get music online. Think it | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
is going to be made illegal, there is enough agitation in Parliament to | :15:24. | :15:28. | |
do something. It might be something like pulling the parties together? | :15:29. | :15:33. | |
Yes, after Europe, that will be the argument! Thanks to Nigel and | :15:34. | :15:41. | |
Vincent. We take a look at tomorrow's from pages every evening | :15:42. | :15:46. | |
at 10:30pm and 11:30pm here on BBC News. | :15:47. | :15:48. |