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more coming up in 15 minutes, after the papers. | :00:00. | :00:17. | |
Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers | :00:18. | :00:21. | |
With me are Susie Boniface, columnist at the Mirror and | :00:22. | :00:27. | |
The Telegraph leads on Iain Duncan Smith's resignation, | :00:28. | :00:34. | |
saying his decision risks throwing the Government into disarray. | :00:35. | :00:37. | |
The Times says Mr Duncan Smith chose to resign despite a U-turn by | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
George Osborne over the cuts which were kicked into 'the long grass'. | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
The FT says Mr Duncan Smith has inflicted serious damage | :00:45. | :00:46. | |
The Independent has an image of the arrests in Brussels. | :00:47. | :00:54. | |
Its main story is a warning from Wales' First Minister that | :00:55. | :00:56. | |
an English vote to leave the EU would prompt a constitutional crisis | :00:57. | :00:59. | |
'Got him', is the headline on the Mirror, next to | :01:00. | :01:05. | |
And the Express leads on the deal between Turkey | :01:06. | :01:08. | |
and the EU to try to curb the flow of migrants into Europe. | :01:09. | :01:12. | |
So, let's begin with this story that broke this evening and has taken | :01:13. | :01:25. | |
quite a lot of people by surprise. Iain Duncan Smith deciding to resign | :01:26. | :01:31. | |
from the Cabinet as the Work and Pensions Secretary. It opposes what | :01:32. | :01:35. | |
seems to be a rift between the Treasury and his formative arm. Yes, | :01:36. | :01:40. | |
there's nobody in Whitehall who doesn't seem to have a blade between | :01:41. | :01:47. | |
his shoulders this morning. The other thing that happened today is | :01:48. | :01:52. | |
that Iain Duncan Smith has been told for the third time by a judge to | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
release some paperwork, which he didn't want to release. The | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
paperwork is about internal reviews to how universal credit was going | :02:02. | :02:09. | |
and what problems they had. The papers were expected to show a | :02:10. | :02:15. | |
series of cock ups. He has been told today he really does have to publish | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
them, as well as the Treasury briefing against him and his | :02:21. | :02:25. | |
department and now we've had a really brutal resignation letter in | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
which he blames George Osborne for everything that's happened in the | :02:29. | :02:32. | |
past six years, while also saying he is proud of it, which doesn't make | :02:33. | :02:37. | |
much sense. What is Iain Duncan Smith opposed to? Austerity itself | :02:38. | :02:41. | |
or certain measures that were put into the budget this week? People | :02:42. | :02:46. | |
who have been following this government for six years will be | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
surprised by the discovery that Iain Duncan Smith could be a critic of | :02:50. | :02:52. | |
austerity, it was he seemed to be the man in the engine room of | :02:53. | :02:56. | |
austerity, the man making the wild case for austerity. While the | :02:57. | :02:59. | |
shortage of money that it was necessary to reform now. Iain Duncan | :03:00. | :03:07. | |
Smith approaches politics from a Christian, highly moral or most | :03:08. | :03:13. | |
highly Tory perspective and he sees his job as reforming welfare to help | :03:14. | :03:21. | |
people into work. Even if it causes hardship for some along the way. | :03:22. | :03:26. | |
Yes, because any kind of welfare reform does that. Also it is simply | :03:27. | :03:30. | |
necessary in order to reform a system which is now bloated. Here is | :03:31. | :03:37. | |
the thing. He says that his well-intentioned policies were | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
sometimes borrowed by the Treasury, inserted into a budget and used as | :03:42. | :03:44. | |
an opportunity to save money. At the same time as the Treasury was | :03:45. | :03:49. | |
carrying out other forms of taxation that gave the impression to the | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
public that the government was both cutting money for welfare recipients | :03:55. | :03:58. | |
and cutting taxes for the highest paid. So what Iain Duncan Smith is | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
really doing is criticising the way austerity is being applied. He is | :04:03. | :04:06. | |
walking a very fine line and isn't necessarily saying austerity is | :04:07. | :04:10. | |
wrong, he is just saying that it has been hijacked by the Treasury and he | :04:11. | :04:15. | |
feels that he is good plans and good programmes have been | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
misrepresented. But also these reforms, which he has apparently | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
resigned over, are ones that his department came up with and they | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
were going to implement them in the future and he says they weren't | :04:29. | :04:31. | |
ready yet, because he hadn't managed to convince everybody at. That | :04:32. | :04:35. | |
doesn't mean he has a moral objection to those cuts per se, it | :04:36. | :04:43. | |
just means he objects to the timing. That's not the moral objection | :04:44. | :04:47. | |
you've got in his resignation letter and he isn't especially Christian | :04:48. | :04:50. | |
Wade Christ reportedly said in the Bible to give to anyone who asks. -- | :04:51. | :04:57. | |
when Christ. This is before the welfare state. I can't defend him | :04:58. | :05:00. | |
because he isn't speaking to my era and telling me what to say, but I | :05:01. | :05:05. | |
would imagine that he would reply by saying that first of all don't | :05:06. | :05:07. | |
forget the minimum wage hasn't gone up yet, so if you are reforming | :05:08. | :05:16. | |
welfare this debate, it is wise to weight. -- wise to wait. The living | :05:17. | :05:25. | |
wage might not affect certain people. But if they are working | :05:26. | :05:31. | |
part-time they might be earning more certain. His point is that the | :05:32. | :05:34. | |
welfare reform agenda was undermined because it was unfairly associated | :05:35. | :05:38. | |
with cutting taxes for the rich and reducing payments. But it is the | :05:39. | :05:44. | |
marketing of it. We are so engrossed in the conversation and forgetting | :05:45. | :05:49. | |
to look at the front pages. I am listening and forgetting my job! | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
Which is to show you the front pages. The Work and Pensions | :05:54. | :06:00. | |
Secretary says that slashing benefits is indispensable. That's | :06:01. | :06:09. | |
sure you what the FT -- let's show you what the FT started with. It | :06:10. | :06:16. | |
leads with Europe gambling to stem migrant flow. Right in the middle of | :06:17. | :06:23. | |
the paper. However, because this story broke this evening, the papers | :06:24. | :06:28. | |
had a race on their hands to get the front page changed. Iain Duncan | :06:29. | :06:39. | |
Smith quits over welfare cuts. How damaging it is for the governments | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
generally and George Osborne in particular? It is incredibly | :06:44. | :06:48. | |
damaging for George Osborne. The goal was that he would replace David | :06:49. | :06:53. | |
Cameron. That was the gameplan. We had the opportunity to move to the | :06:54. | :06:56. | |
Foreign Secretary after the election. He chose instead to at the | :06:57. | :06:59. | |
Treasury. The budget has been a difficult one, with very confused | :07:00. | :07:05. | |
messages. Both the left and right have made criticism. The handling of | :07:06. | :07:11. | |
it has been controversial. Now that Iain Duncan Smith says this man is | :07:12. | :07:18. | |
the enemy, of everything when it comes to social policy, it makes it | :07:19. | :07:21. | |
much harder for him to replace David Cameron ago as he is now a toxic and | :07:22. | :07:26. | |
controversial figure for many people within the Conservative party and | :07:27. | :07:31. | |
Parliament. As Brexit emerges and Osborne will be out there everyday | :07:32. | :07:35. | |
saying, if you vote for Brexit than held will emerge and the dead will | :07:36. | :07:39. | |
walk and Britain will sink into the fiery pits, again he will alienate | :07:40. | :07:41. | |
himself from ordinary Tory grassroots. The Guardian. George | :07:42. | :07:48. | |
Osborne humbled by disability benefits. They've now said there was | :07:49. | :07:58. | |
no mention of Iain Duncan Smith going. It was written beforehand. If | :07:59. | :08:06. | |
the Treasury at first saying this morning that this is definitely | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
going to happen, that the budget and that's what we are doing, for them | :08:12. | :08:16. | |
to write back and say that actually we are going to think about it and | :08:17. | :08:19. | |
consult and it may not happen after all, then in that context Iain | :08:20. | :08:23. | |
Duncan Smith would have got what he wanted. He would never have been | :08:24. | :08:26. | |
able to introduce those cuts further down the line. But he has Cameron | :08:27. | :08:31. | |
and Osborne to write back and admit they were wrong. So there's no real | :08:32. | :08:35. | |
reason to resign on that moral basis, if those cuts were imposed. | :08:36. | :08:40. | |
But from his point of view he has been working on these reforms for | :08:41. | :08:42. | |
years and within three days number 10 as announced they will never do | :08:43. | :08:46. | |
it. So he may well in some sense have gotten what he wanted, but in | :08:47. | :08:52. | |
the long run it must have been humiliating for the man. They have | :08:53. | :09:04. | |
this SOI request as well. -- FOR. We have the text of a letter that the | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
PM has said the Iain Duncan Smith, just a portion of it. I regret that | :09:09. | :09:12. | |
he has chosen to step down at this moment. Together we designed the | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
personal independence payment to support the most rollable and give | :09:18. | :09:20. | |
disabled people more independence. We all agreed the increased spending | :09:21. | :09:24. | |
should be properly managed and focused on those who need it most. | :09:25. | :09:30. | |
That is why we collectively agreed you, number 10 and the Treasury, | :09:31. | :09:33. | |
proposals which you and your department announced a week ago. | :09:34. | :09:37. | |
Today we agreed not to receive the policies in the current form and | :09:38. | :09:43. | |
instead work together to get the work right in the coming months. So | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
I am disappointed that he has decided to resign. Listening to that | :09:49. | :10:01. | |
letter, my ear picks up that when it was agreed they would pursue the | :10:02. | :10:04. | |
policy last weekend when it was agreed they would back down from the | :10:05. | :10:12. | |
policy, was he involved in the second decision? How collective is a | :10:13. | :10:20. | |
decision as well? Someone has to be the boss. There is a hierarchy. | :10:21. | :10:25. | |
Someone is in charge and says this is what is happening next and to say | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
you are puzzled and disappointed... He said this was all your fault and | :10:31. | :10:41. | |
he says you are part of it as well. Was there a Cabinet meeting this | :10:42. | :10:44. | |
afternoon? I may have missed when it was collectively discussed. I | :10:45. | :10:51. | |
suspect not. Iain Duncan Smith can also reply by pointing out that to | :10:52. | :10:57. | |
some degree this sense of Cabinet leech analogy has already been | :10:58. | :11:00. | |
broken by the Brexit debate, because he says he was denied access to | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
certain civil servant documents and the pro EU members of Cabinet are | :11:05. | :11:08. | |
allowed to speak to the media and say what they want and the others | :11:09. | :11:12. | |
aren't. The arguably that Cabinet leech analogy has not been there for | :11:13. | :11:18. | |
a couple of years. -- weeks. -- Cabinet division. There are only a | :11:19. | :11:25. | |
few more months. He might as well get some airtime! So cynical! | :11:26. | :11:32. | |
Realistic. Moving on. Let's talk about the story we thought we were | :11:33. | :11:35. | |
going to be covering pretty much for the entirety of the review, which is | :11:36. | :11:40. | |
the arrest of Salah Abdeslam, the 26 your old man who has been on the run | :11:41. | :11:45. | |
since the Paris attacks. He is the main suspect following the deaths of | :11:46. | :11:50. | |
130 people in Paris last November. The world's most wanted man is the | :11:51. | :11:58. | |
headline on the Daily Mirror. He hadn't actually gone very far. No, | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
he was living near where his brother lived in Marlon Pack in Brussels. -- | :12:04. | :12:15. | |
Moleenbek. It's a good thing they managed to get him alive, but the | :12:16. | :12:24. | |
Brussels authorities seem to only have got him by accident. They were | :12:25. | :12:30. | |
going after some counterfeiters that they thought perhaps was linked to | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
the Paris attacks five months ago. They then got into a couple of | :12:35. | :12:38. | |
flats, found they were under gunfire and realised they had managed to | :12:39. | :12:45. | |
find him and shot him in the leg, which is not the kind of thing you | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
aim for if you are policemen. He has been shot and found accidentally. | :12:50. | :12:54. | |
Because they were very well armed this time and were taken by surprise | :12:55. | :12:56. | |
when they went to that flat that they thought was empty in that | :12:57. | :13:02. | |
certain area of Belgium. Today a different prospect. I was vaguely | :13:03. | :13:13. | |
hearing on the radio before I came to the studio something about the | :13:14. | :13:15. | |
boss and maybe they were given very short notice that he was in the | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
area. I don't know. The significance of this is enormous because | :13:21. | :13:24. | |
obviously it was one of the devastating attacks that has | :13:25. | :13:27. | |
happened in Europe. Hundreds killed. His brother was killed in the | :13:28. | :13:33. | |
attack. And I think this was an opportunity, when you capture | :13:34. | :13:35. | |
someone live, not only to assess them for information and | :13:36. | :13:38. | |
intelligence but to also address the issue of why he did it. For me | :13:39. | :13:44. | |
that's the big question, the philosophical question that Europe | :13:45. | :13:49. | |
has got to address. If you can catch a terrorist rather than kill him, | :13:50. | :13:52. | |
you prevent him from becoming a martyr, you reduce him to the status | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
of a normal human being in a court undergoing a mundane process, | :13:58. | :14:01. | |
looking as haggard as anyone would do when they are in court. That's | :14:02. | :14:06. | |
important. It is important for the families that they have their | :14:07. | :14:08. | |
justice and their day in court and it is important for the Tera | :14:09. | :14:18. | |
network, -- terror network, that the martyrdom is denied. Are you saying | :14:19. | :14:24. | |
Osama Bin Laden should not have been shot? No, but the whole point of | :14:25. | :14:30. | |
what we do as a civilisation is that that is the correct way to behave. | :14:31. | :14:36. | |
But this man is a cold in the wheel of Islamic State. | :14:37. | :14:39. | |
But this man is a cold in the wheel of Islamic State. Osama Bin Laden | :14:40. | :14:47. | |
was the head of it. I think it was easier to take out a Osama Bin | :14:48. | :14:50. | |
Laden. It was easier to take him out. But this is not the end of it. | :14:51. | :14:58. | |
Francois Heartland said there were far more people involved in the | :14:59. | :15:02. | |
Paris attacks then the authorities at first realised -- Francois | :15:03. | :15:09. | |
Heartland. As well as addressing the questions you mentioned. And the | :15:10. | :15:13. | |
network stretches across the whole continent, including connections to | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
England, as well as into Syria, issues of border control, so yes, it | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
is a huge issue. Brexit and the migrant issue on the front pages as | :15:24. | :15:27. | |
well. We will try to do with those again tomorrow. But that is it for | :15:28. | :15:32. | |
the papers tonight. Thank you to our guests for coming in. Now it is time | :15:33. | :15:34. | |
for Sportsday. | :15:35. | :15:38. |