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That is all your sport for no. No, though, on BBC News, back to Maxine | :00:00. | :00:10. | |
for The Papers. -- your sport for now. | :00:11. | :00:12. | |
Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers. | :00:13. | :00:15. | |
With me are Sian Griffiths, the education Editor | :00:16. | :00:20. | |
With me are Sian Griffiths, the education editor | :00:21. | :00:22. | |
of The Sunday Times, and Mike Walters, sports writer | :00:23. | :00:24. | |
The Sunday Times leads with a call from Tony Blair to crush Isis or be | :00:25. | :00:35. | |
faced with a terrorist attack in Britain worse than those in Paris | :00:36. | :00:38. | |
Lets just have a look at that headline. There it is. | :00:39. | :00:45. | |
Let's just have a look at that headline. | :00:46. | :00:47. | |
The Mail on Sunday says convicted terrorists are being paid salaries | :00:48. | :00:51. | |
using British aid money - the paper goes on to criticise | :00:52. | :00:53. | |
the Government's commitment to spend billions on foreign aid. | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
The Telegraph quotes one of America's top former generals, | :00:57. | :00:59. | |
David Petraeus, who says a Brexit would weaken the West and raise | :01:00. | :01:08. | |
The Sunday Express reports that after the terror attacks in Europe | :01:09. | :01:12. | |
it's time for a fightback, adding that SAS squads are ready | :01:13. | :01:15. | |
to fly in and protect any town in the UK. | :01:16. | :01:17. | |
The Star on Sunday splashes on the news we have been covering | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
this morning - that Belgian prosecutors have charged a man | :01:22. | :01:24. | |
with terrorist offences, in connection with Tuesday's attacks | :01:25. | :01:26. | |
The Observer leads with a warning from the Health Secretary Jeremy | :01:27. | :01:29. | |
Hunt who claims that the NHS will face budget cuts if Britain | :01:30. | :01:32. | |
And the online Independent on Sunday covers the England football team's | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
3-2 win over Germany in Berlin last night. | :01:38. | :01:44. | |
Let us get started. Plenty to talk about. Let's start with the Sunday | :01:45. | :01:51. | |
Times and Tony Blair's warning. Sian, what do you make of it? A very | :01:52. | :01:56. | |
interesting and dramatic article he has written for the Sunday Times, | :01:57. | :02:00. | |
Tony Blair. In it he is calling for Britain to step up military action | :02:01. | :02:05. | |
to crush Isis. Those are the words he actually uses, or, he says, we | :02:06. | :02:10. | |
could be faced with a terrorist act of such size and horror it will | :02:11. | :02:12. | |
result in many more victims than even Paris or Brussels. The message | :02:13. | :02:19. | |
there is that not doing enough? That's right. He calls for an | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
international rapid reaction force to be set up and there is quite an | :02:23. | :02:26. | |
interesting statement he makes. He says eventually the terrorists will | :02:27. | :02:30. | |
commit an act of such size and horror that we will change' but by | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
then the battle will be much harder to win without mergers that | :02:36. | :02:44. | |
contradict our basic value systems -- change our position. The story we | :02:45. | :02:48. | |
ran last week about the terrorists possibly trying to get their hands | :02:49. | :02:52. | |
on nuclear material... The whole thing seems very frightening at the | :02:53. | :02:56. | |
moment and very alive and real and I think this story at the bottom as | :02:57. | :03:00. | |
well, of the Sunday Times front page, saying we have 2000 extra and | :03:01. | :03:06. | |
terror police onto our streets to protect us. I think there is that | :03:07. | :03:10. | |
feeling that any major European capital is at risk at the moment. | :03:11. | :03:14. | |
Everyone has to be ready. What do you make it back other, Mike? Some | :03:15. | :03:20. | |
might say it is brave of Mr Tony Blair to intervene in this matter | :03:21. | :03:24. | |
because in 2003 in collaboration with George W Bush it was Mr Blair | :03:25. | :03:29. | |
who organised this invasion of Iraq, the followed from which created a | :03:30. | :03:33. | |
vacuum for Islamic State or the forces from Islamic State to | :03:34. | :03:37. | |
prosper, as they do now. Working for the daily Mirror, as I do, I am | :03:38. | :03:43. | |
actually quite proud we were almost alone among national newspapers to | :03:44. | :03:47. | |
oppose the invasion of Iraq. I don't want to give the old" we told you | :03:48. | :03:55. | |
so. What, but something similar is happening in Libya as well where | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
there is a situation following the removal of Colonel Gaddafi and Isis | :04:00. | :04:01. | |
forces have been making headway there as well. I think it is very | :04:02. | :04:06. | |
brave of Mr Blair to intervene on this subject. I don't think anybody | :04:07. | :04:10. | |
will take any great solace from his warning that we might kop terrorist | :04:11. | :04:19. | |
attack much worse than anything we have seen in Brussels or Paris so | :04:20. | :04:22. | |
far. What do you think the Government view on his intervention | :04:23. | :04:30. | |
will be? I seem to remember that the opposition, as the Conservatives | :04:31. | :04:34. | |
were in 2003, supported the invasion of Iraq, so I would advise them | :04:35. | :04:41. | |
against getting too holier than thou about it as well. There is no | :04:42. | :04:44. | |
question that Isis poses the greatest threat to British security | :04:45. | :04:49. | |
for generations and the problem is that rather than trying to keep | :04:50. | :04:56. | |
external enemies at bay, if you like, the real risk is that they are | :04:57. | :05:04. | |
already -- there are already cells within Britain looking to do serious | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
damage and I think we need to address the enemy within, if I can | :05:09. | :05:13. | |
use that phrase. Turning to the Observer, the man held on terror | :05:14. | :05:16. | |
charges, talking about what has been going on in Brussels this week. We | :05:17. | :05:21. | |
are beginning, I think, Sian, are we not, to get threads running through | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
the Brussels and Paris and tax? A picture as well perhaps, a wider | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
picture of what is going on -- Harris and Brussels attacks. Yes, | :05:31. | :05:38. | |
our paper today has a very detailed account of the attack in Brussels | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
and the bigger picture. Who are these people, who are these | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
terrorists? Where do they come from? Also looking at perhaps did the | :05:47. | :05:51. | |
Belgian security and the Belgian police bungle, I think that is the | :05:52. | :05:58. | |
word we used, there are kepts to kind of find and track down and | :05:59. | :06:02. | |
intervene in this at a much earlier stage? The story on the front page | :06:03. | :06:10. | |
of the Observer names, I mean, it goes into this and says the Belgian | :06:11. | :06:13. | |
prosecutors have charged this man thought to be the third man at the | :06:14. | :06:17. | |
airport, the man in the hat. He has been identified as Faycal Cheffou, a | :06:18. | :06:28. | |
self-styled journalist already trying to radicalise asylum seekers | :06:29. | :06:32. | |
coming into the country, so I think who was carrying them out, the links | :06:33. | :06:36. | |
with the Paris attacks, and the failings as well by the security | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
services and the police, not just last week, but going back, you know, | :06:41. | :06:45. | |
probably for years, in dealing with the situation. I think also, Mike, | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
just in the comments from other countries, president Obama saying we | :06:51. | :06:53. | |
have to do more, other countries saying we have to help the Belgians. | :06:54. | :06:58. | |
It uncovers a picture of perhaps everyone has not been very cohesive? | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
Barack Obama told Belgians in his weekly radio address that the | :07:04. | :07:06. | |
Americans have their backs, which is very comforting. The Belgians would | :07:07. | :07:10. | |
probably be a bit more reassured if the Americans had their front and | :07:11. | :07:14. | |
both flanks as well, but as you say they does not appear to have been a | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
lot of cohesion or joined up thinking in the EU generally about | :07:19. | :07:21. | |
the fight against terrorism and every time there are one of these | :07:22. | :07:24. | |
atrocities like in Paris in November and Brussels last week it brings | :07:25. | :07:30. | |
that lack of cohesion into rather more starkly interview, doesn't it? | :07:31. | :07:40. | |
Let's move on. The Brexit, we can get for which met. The NHS is now | :07:41. | :07:44. | |
under threat. Wire-mac, would you start with that one? This is the | :07:45. | :07:48. | |
Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt warning that the National Health Service | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
will face budget cuts, falling standards and an exodus of overseas | :07:54. | :07:59. | |
doctors and nurses if the UK leaves the European Union. I don't not | :08:00. | :08:02. | |
about you, Maxine, but I am already bored of people using Brexit as a | :08:03. | :08:08. | |
hobby horse to warn this or that might happen. We will have another | :08:09. | :08:12. | |
three months of this, the vote not being until the end of June on | :08:13. | :08:15. | |
whether we stay in the EU, saw another three months of this. Mr | :08:16. | :08:20. | |
Hunt cites a series of economic service from the CBI, the London | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
School of economics and Oxford economics, evidence of the adverse | :08:25. | :08:29. | |
impact of Brexit on the UK economy and the Government's ability to | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
stick to the high levels of funding for public services. Call me | :08:34. | :08:39. | |
cynical, but I wonder if that is the Health Secretary getting his excuses | :08:40. | :08:41. | |
in first. Do you think actually, Sian, that the normal person in the | :08:42. | :08:45. | |
street, all of us who will have to vote or have the opportunity to vote | :08:46. | :08:48. | |
in this referendum, do you think people actually know what the issues | :08:49. | :08:52. | |
are, given we keep getting these screaming headlines? I think people | :08:53. | :08:56. | |
are welded, quite honestly. When it comes down to it, and I was thinking | :08:57. | :09:00. | |
about this, what would sway me, and I guess it would be if I could see | :09:01. | :09:04. | |
convincing evidence we might lose jobs, you know, if we went one way | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
or another, or the economy would be very badly affected, but, you know, | :09:10. | :09:12. | |
people are making such claims on both sides it is very hard to decide | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
who you are going to kind of except, and I think every Sunday now we are | :09:18. | :09:24. | |
having stories from both the Leave campaign and the Remain campaign in | :09:25. | :09:28. | |
the Sunday papers dominating the agenda. There is another one here in | :09:29. | :09:32. | |
the Sunday Times this morning, saying that two business leaders are | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
supposed to have signed this letter saying, you know, they wanted to | :09:38. | :09:43. | |
leave the EU, apparently, you know, they don't think that at all. The | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
whole thing just seems like confusion and I think the punter on | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
the street, yes, quite confused. It has become a bit of a political | :09:54. | :09:58. | |
cliche, hasn't it? For one party or another are one campaign, for Brexit | :09:59. | :10:03. | |
or to stay in Europe, to produce this list of business leaders who | :10:04. | :10:08. | |
have allegedly signed up to their viewpoint, when as it transpires in | :10:09. | :10:12. | |
some cases nothing could be further from the truth. Let's move on to | :10:13. | :10:17. | |
education, Sian, your territory, primarily. I have the Sunday Times | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
or beside me. Two stories here but let's start with this one, teachers | :10:23. | :10:26. | |
threaten strike over the academies plan. This is the story we were | :10:27. | :10:29. | |
running highly yesterday and also today because of the teachers' union | :10:30. | :10:33. | |
meeting this weekend. It is not the first time we have heard teachers do | :10:34. | :10:37. | |
not like academies, or the first we have heard that Government does like | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
them, so what is going on? It is the teaching union conference this | :10:43. | :10:45. | |
weekend, traditionally over the Easter weekend, so the NUT is | :10:46. | :10:49. | |
meeting and so is the other big teaching union, so what is going on | :10:50. | :10:52. | |
here is that a week ago the Government issued a white paper and | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
the white Paper contained plans which the teachers have been | :10:57. | :11:03. | |
absolutely furious about to turn all of our schools, all English schools | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
come into academies, which means another 15,000 or 70,000 school | :11:09. | :11:09. | |
can you briefly ex-plain what an Academy is? At the moment most of | :11:10. | :11:19. | |
our schools are controlled by local councils -- 15,000 or 17,000 | :11:20. | :11:24. | |
schools. Local councils have quite a big say in teachers' pay and so on. | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
The idea of an academy is that instead of being run by the local | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
council Europe run by a charitable trust. Headteachers have a lot more | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
autonomy over things like how much to pay their teachers, whether to | :11:37. | :11:39. | |
make the school day a lot longer, even what to teach in terms of the | :11:40. | :11:44. | |
curriculum, so it is a lot more independent, more autonomy for | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
headteachers, that is what an academy is. The teaching unions hate | :11:49. | :11:51. | |
it, although they don't see this very often, because they will lose. | :11:52. | :11:55. | |
If all schools became academies national pay and conditions for | :11:56. | :11:59. | |
teachers would go, bang. I think that is why the teachers are | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
absolutely determined to oppose it but I think it is not just teachers | :12:05. | :12:08. | |
who are determined to resist this plan. Parents are pretty fed up with | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
it as well, I think. Interestingly, Conservative councillors do not like | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
it either. We have had a number of leading Conservative councils coming | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
out over the last few days saying, no. Might this be a U-turn? I think | :12:22. | :12:28. | |
the idea, certainly Christine blower at the NUT this morning, very keen | :12:29. | :12:33. | |
to build a coalition against the idea of forcing every school to | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
become an academy over the next few years and defeating it -- Blower. I | :12:38. | :12:40. | |
think they would like to see a U-turn like this on disability | :12:41. | :12:44. | |
benefits. Can I say I remain to be convinced on whether it is a good or | :12:45. | :12:49. | |
bad idea but I remember reading in the Conservative election manifesto | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
about turning every school in two -- I don't remember seeing anything | :12:54. | :12:56. | |
about turning every school into an academy. Correct me if I am wrong | :12:57. | :12:59. | |
but I do not receive it. I would like to move on to the other story | :13:00. | :13:03. | |
in the Times. The colour of ink used by teachers... I will defer to the | :13:04. | :13:11. | |
education expert! It is just so sweet. Yesterday at one of the | :13:12. | :13:14. | |
teaching union conferences Nicky Morgan actually criticised | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
ridiculous rules about the colour of pens used to mark childrens' work. I | :13:20. | :13:23. | |
and the education editor of the Sunday Times but I had no idea that | :13:24. | :13:26. | |
teachers do not use red pen any more to Mark childrens' work because it | :13:27. | :13:31. | |
is seen as aggressive, so schools are encouraging teachers to use | :13:32. | :13:35. | |
green ink for a very positive comments and pink ink to say | :13:36. | :13:38. | |
anything critical. Has a consultant or something been brought into the | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
get this? I think it goes back. Teachers have been saying it all | :13:44. | :13:46. | |
goes back to some guidance school inspectors gave which presumably | :13:47. | :13:52. | |
comes from some report, but the poor teachers, these bulging pencil cases | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
with all the coloured pens, having to member the different colours of | :13:57. | :14:00. | |
the time. Yes, usually a highly paid consultant for these things with... | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
But we would miss the red pen, wouldn't we, Mike? Of course, but a | :14:06. | :14:09. | |
colleague of mine in sport told me that in a study of footballs' | :14:10. | :14:15. | |
peripheral vision, so they can spot team-mates on either side of them, | :14:16. | :14:18. | |
red and yellow are apparently the two most striking colours, the | :14:19. | :14:22. | |
colours you spot mostly, out of the corner of your eye. But obviously | :14:23. | :14:30. | |
aggressive as well! Sign and have never interpreted one colour to be | :14:31. | :14:33. | |
aggressive or passive, but when I got red in my homework, and there | :14:34. | :14:37. | |
was plenty of that, I am afraid, is that you don't have to go looking | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
for it. You sit up and take notice. The Son. England and -- and the | :14:43. | :14:50. | |
story on England and Germany. That makes you sit up and take notice, in | :14:51. | :14:56. | |
the Sun? 2-0 down last night and they came back to win 3-2. | :14:57. | :15:00. | |
Unfortunately they do not win a trophy, only a friendly, but it was | :15:01. | :15:04. | |
not just the result, and the fact they came from two goals down to | :15:05. | :15:08. | |
win, but the manner in which they played that was so encouraging. I | :15:09. | :15:11. | |
would point out that England have a pretty good record in Berlin, not | :15:12. | :15:15. | |
much against Germany as a nation, but in Berlin. Going back nearly 80 | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
years, there was a game ending the 38 that became the because the | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
England team gave the natty salute before kick-off. Nobody remember is | :15:24. | :15:28. | |
the score, so I will tell you, England won 6-3 -- Nazi summit. When | :15:29. | :15:41. | |
we have had a 5-1 win as well? Yes, in Munich. And all in context, this | :15:42. | :15:44. | |
fantastic young team coming through, is that what it is about? Lets not | :15:45. | :15:49. | |
get carried away but, yes, the team last night was Prine am -- primarily | :15:50. | :15:56. | |
a dynamic and youthful team. As I say, it was not so much the result | :15:57. | :16:00. | |
but the manner of the performance that was encouraging. It was a good | :16:01. | :16:03. | |
day for English sport because England's cricketers reached the | :16:04. | :16:09. | |
semifinals of the T20 as well. Sian, are you a football fan? No, but I am | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
looking forward... I should say that I support Arsenal because one of my | :16:14. | :16:16. | |
children supports Arsenal but I don't know anything like what Mike | :16:17. | :16:20. | |
just said but I am looking forward to the boat race this afternoon | :16:21. | :16:26. | |
which is on the front page of the Sunday Times which has a nice | :16:27. | :16:34. | |
composite of the female rowers. And Italy to enter. Thank you both for | :16:35. | :16:37. | |
coming in today. And don't forget we will take a look at tomorrow's front | :16:38. | :16:44. | |
pages later on, as we do every evening on BBC News. For now, | :16:45. | :16:45. |