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That is all your sport for no. No, though, on BBC News, back to Maxine


for The Papers. -- your sport for now.


Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.


With me are Sian Griffiths, the education Editor


With me are Sian Griffiths, the education editor


of The Sunday Times, and Mike Walters, sports writer


The Sunday Times leads with a call from Tony Blair to crush Isis or be


faced with a terrorist attack in Britain worse than those in Paris


Lets just have a look at that headline. There it is.


Let's just have a look at that headline.


The Mail on Sunday says convicted terrorists are being paid salaries


using British aid money - the paper goes on to criticise


the Government's commitment to spend billions on foreign aid.


The Telegraph quotes one of America's top former generals,


David Petraeus, who says a Brexit would weaken the West and raise


The Sunday Express reports that after the terror attacks in Europe


it's time for a fightback, adding that SAS squads are ready


to fly in and protect any town in the UK.


The Star on Sunday splashes on the news we have been covering


this morning - that Belgian prosecutors have charged a man


with terrorist offences, in connection with Tuesday's attacks


The Observer leads with a warning from the Health Secretary Jeremy


Hunt who claims that the NHS will face budget cuts if Britain


And the online Independent on Sunday covers the England football team's


3-2 win over Germany in Berlin last night.


Let us get started. Plenty to talk about. Let's start with the Sunday


Times and Tony Blair's warning. Sian, what do you make of it? A very


interesting and dramatic article he has written for the Sunday Times,


Tony Blair. In it he is calling for Britain to step up military action


to crush Isis. Those are the words he actually uses, or, he says, we


could be faced with a terrorist act of such size and horror it will


result in many more victims than even Paris or Brussels. The message


there is that not doing enough? That's right. He calls for an


international rapid reaction force to be set up and there is quite an


interesting statement he makes. He says eventually the terrorists will


commit an act of such size and horror that we will change' but by


then the battle will be much harder to win without mergers that


contradict our basic value systems -- change our position. The story we


ran last week about the terrorists possibly trying to get their hands


on nuclear material... The whole thing seems very frightening at the


moment and very alive and real and I think this story at the bottom as


well, of the Sunday Times front page, saying we have 2000 extra and


terror police onto our streets to protect us. I think there is that


feeling that any major European capital is at risk at the moment.


Everyone has to be ready. What do you make it back other, Mike? Some


might say it is brave of Mr Tony Blair to intervene in this matter


because in 2003 in collaboration with George W Bush it was Mr Blair


who organised this invasion of Iraq, the followed from which created a


vacuum for Islamic State or the forces from Islamic State to


prosper, as they do now. Working for the daily Mirror, as I do, I am


actually quite proud we were almost alone among national newspapers to


oppose the invasion of Iraq. I don't want to give the old" we told you


so. What, but something similar is happening in Libya as well where


there is a situation following the removal of Colonel Gaddafi and Isis


forces have been making headway there as well. I think it is very


brave of Mr Blair to intervene on this subject. I don't think anybody


will take any great solace from his warning that we might kop terrorist


attack much worse than anything we have seen in Brussels or Paris so


far. What do you think the Government view on his intervention


will be? I seem to remember that the opposition, as the Conservatives


were in 2003, supported the invasion of Iraq, so I would advise them


against getting too holier than thou about it as well. There is no


question that Isis poses the greatest threat to British security


for generations and the problem is that rather than trying to keep


external enemies at bay, if you like, the real risk is that they are


already -- there are already cells within Britain looking to do serious


damage and I think we need to address the enemy within, if I can


use that phrase. Turning to the Observer, the man held on terror


charges, talking about what has been going on in Brussels this week. We


are beginning, I think, Sian, are we not, to get threads running through


the Brussels and Paris and tax? A picture as well perhaps, a wider


picture of what is going on -- Harris and Brussels attacks. Yes,


our paper today has a very detailed account of the attack in Brussels


and the bigger picture. Who are these people, who are these


terrorists? Where do they come from? Also looking at perhaps did the


Belgian security and the Belgian police bungle, I think that is the


word we used, there are kepts to kind of find and track down and


intervene in this at a much earlier stage? The story on the front page


of the Observer names, I mean, it goes into this and says the Belgian


prosecutors have charged this man thought to be the third man at the


airport, the man in the hat. He has been identified as Faycal Cheffou, a


self-styled journalist already trying to radicalise asylum seekers


coming into the country, so I think who was carrying them out, the links


with the Paris attacks, and the failings as well by the security


services and the police, not just last week, but going back, you know,


probably for years, in dealing with the situation. I think also, Mike,


just in the comments from other countries, president Obama saying we


have to do more, other countries saying we have to help the Belgians.


It uncovers a picture of perhaps everyone has not been very cohesive?


Barack Obama told Belgians in his weekly radio address that the


Americans have their backs, which is very comforting. The Belgians would


probably be a bit more reassured if the Americans had their front and


both flanks as well, but as you say they does not appear to have been a


lot of cohesion or joined up thinking in the EU generally about


the fight against terrorism and every time there are one of these


atrocities like in Paris in November and Brussels last week it brings


that lack of cohesion into rather more starkly interview, doesn't it?


Let's move on. The Brexit, we can get for which met. The NHS is now


under threat. Wire-mac, would you start with that one? This is the


Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt warning that the National Health Service


will face budget cuts, falling standards and an exodus of overseas


doctors and nurses if the UK leaves the European Union. I don't not


about you, Maxine, but I am already bored of people using Brexit as a


hobby horse to warn this or that might happen. We will have another


three months of this, the vote not being until the end of June on


whether we stay in the EU, saw another three months of this. Mr


Hunt cites a series of economic service from the CBI, the London


School of economics and Oxford economics, evidence of the adverse


impact of Brexit on the UK economy and the Government's ability to


stick to the high levels of funding for public services. Call me


cynical, but I wonder if that is the Health Secretary getting his excuses


in first. Do you think actually, Sian, that the normal person in the


street, all of us who will have to vote or have the opportunity to vote


in this referendum, do you think people actually know what the issues


are, given we keep getting these screaming headlines? I think people


are welded, quite honestly. When it comes down to it, and I was thinking


about this, what would sway me, and I guess it would be if I could see


convincing evidence we might lose jobs, you know, if we went one way


or another, or the economy would be very badly affected, but, you know,


people are making such claims on both sides it is very hard to decide


who you are going to kind of except, and I think every Sunday now we are


having stories from both the Leave campaign and the Remain campaign in


the Sunday papers dominating the agenda. There is another one here in


the Sunday Times this morning, saying that two business leaders are


supposed to have signed this letter saying, you know, they wanted to


leave the EU, apparently, you know, they don't think that at all. The


whole thing just seems like confusion and I think the punter on


the street, yes, quite confused. It has become a bit of a political


cliche, hasn't it? For one party or another are one campaign, for Brexit


or to stay in Europe, to produce this list of business leaders who


have allegedly signed up to their viewpoint, when as it transpires in


some cases nothing could be further from the truth. Let's move on to


education, Sian, your territory, primarily. I have the Sunday Times


or beside me. Two stories here but let's start with this one, teachers


threaten strike over the academies plan. This is the story we were


running highly yesterday and also today because of the teachers' union


meeting this weekend. It is not the first time we have heard teachers do


not like academies, or the first we have heard that Government does like


them, so what is going on? It is the teaching union conference this


weekend, traditionally over the Easter weekend, so the NUT is


meeting and so is the other big teaching union, so what is going on


here is that a week ago the Government issued a white paper and


the white Paper contained plans which the teachers have been


absolutely furious about to turn all of our schools, all English schools


come into academies, which means another 15,000 or 70,000 school


can you briefly ex-plain what an Academy is? At the moment most of


our schools are controlled by local councils -- 15,000 or 17,000


schools. Local councils have quite a big say in teachers' pay and so on.


The idea of an academy is that instead of being run by the local


council Europe run by a charitable trust. Headteachers have a lot more


autonomy over things like how much to pay their teachers, whether to


make the school day a lot longer, even what to teach in terms of the


curriculum, so it is a lot more independent, more autonomy for


headteachers, that is what an academy is. The teaching unions hate


it, although they don't see this very often, because they will lose.


If all schools became academies national pay and conditions for


teachers would go, bang. I think that is why the teachers are


absolutely determined to oppose it but I think it is not just teachers


who are determined to resist this plan. Parents are pretty fed up with


it as well, I think. Interestingly, Conservative councillors do not like


it either. We have had a number of leading Conservative councils coming


out over the last few days saying, no. Might this be a U-turn? I think


the idea, certainly Christine blower at the NUT this morning, very keen


to build a coalition against the idea of forcing every school to


become an academy over the next few years and defeating it -- Blower. I


think they would like to see a U-turn like this on disability


benefits. Can I say I remain to be convinced on whether it is a good or


bad idea but I remember reading in the Conservative election manifesto


about turning every school in two -- I don't remember seeing anything


about turning every school into an academy. Correct me if I am wrong


but I do not receive it. I would like to move on to the other story


in the Times. The colour of ink used by teachers... I will defer to the


education expert! It is just so sweet. Yesterday at one of the


teaching union conferences Nicky Morgan actually criticised


ridiculous rules about the colour of pens used to mark childrens' work. I


and the education editor of the Sunday Times but I had no idea that


teachers do not use red pen any more to Mark childrens' work because it


is seen as aggressive, so schools are encouraging teachers to use


green ink for a very positive comments and pink ink to say


anything critical. Has a consultant or something been brought into the


get this? I think it goes back. Teachers have been saying it all


goes back to some guidance school inspectors gave which presumably


comes from some report, but the poor teachers, these bulging pencil cases


with all the coloured pens, having to member the different colours of


the time. Yes, usually a highly paid consultant for these things with...


But we would miss the red pen, wouldn't we, Mike? Of course, but a


colleague of mine in sport told me that in a study of footballs'


peripheral vision, so they can spot team-mates on either side of them,


red and yellow are apparently the two most striking colours, the


colours you spot mostly, out of the corner of your eye. But obviously


aggressive as well! Sign and have never interpreted one colour to be


aggressive or passive, but when I got red in my homework, and there


was plenty of that, I am afraid, is that you don't have to go looking


for it. You sit up and take notice. The Son. England and -- and the


story on England and Germany. That makes you sit up and take notice, in


the Sun? 2-0 down last night and they came back to win 3-2.


Unfortunately they do not win a trophy, only a friendly, but it was


not just the result, and the fact they came from two goals down to


win, but the manner in which they played that was so encouraging. I


would point out that England have a pretty good record in Berlin, not


much against Germany as a nation, but in Berlin. Going back nearly 80


years, there was a game ending the 38 that became the because the


England team gave the natty salute before kick-off. Nobody remember is


the score, so I will tell you, England won 6-3 -- Nazi summit. When


we have had a 5-1 win as well? Yes, in Munich. And all in context, this


fantastic young team coming through, is that what it is about? Lets not


get carried away but, yes, the team last night was Prine am -- primarily


a dynamic and youthful team. As I say, it was not so much the result


but the manner of the performance that was encouraging. It was a good


day for English sport because England's cricketers reached the


semifinals of the T20 as well. Sian, are you a football fan? No, but I am


looking forward... I should say that I support Arsenal because one of my


children supports Arsenal but I don't know anything like what Mike


just said but I am looking forward to the boat race this afternoon


which is on the front page of the Sunday Times which has a nice


composite of the female rowers. And Italy to enter. Thank you both for


coming in today. And don't forget we will take a look at tomorrow's front


pages later on, as we do every evening on BBC News. For now,


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